K-State Slate: 2.3.12
by TB on Feb 3, 2012 6:54 AM CST
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Despite the lack of fanfare, K-State signed a solid football recruiting class. The group was heavy on high school seniors, which should help build long-term depth.
Recruiting is just one aspect of running a college football program. Player development is just as important, and Bill Snyder and his staff have made a very nice living by specializing in that aspect.
K-State Basketball
After Tuesday's disappointing loss at Iowa State, the Wildcats need to rebound quickly and get ready for improving Texas A&M, who visits Bramlage on Saturday for the final time.
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wrong linkage on the RMN article.
Sends you to CJonline story about Cats rebounding quickly after not getting calls in the ISU game.
Asian girl white guy pumps inside the journalist.
Fixed now, thanks
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Feb 3, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
I'm still pissed about the ISU game
Glad the link mistake was made so I can vent some more!
Hope we take our anger out on the next 3 Texas foes we face.
//shakes head in disgust
If you always do what you've always done, then you'll always get what you've always gotten.
Sigh.
You expect this from the national media and recruiting service rankings like Rivals and Scout (by the way, where did we end up ranked by Rivals? – they only show the top 50 on their site as of yesterday). But you would think that a paper that covers the Big-12 would be a bit wiser about judging K-State classes by now – particularly after they gave last year’s class a ‘D’. Guess they’ll just have to wait until the fall to see another poor haul by Bill Snyder help contribute to another ’Cats winning season.
At what point will GPA come into all this...
Any data that suggests 5 star guys with D’s are any more or less successful than 3 star guys with A’s?
Is that even measurable? What was Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers outta highschool?
If you always do what you've always done, then you'll always get what you've always gotten.
eh class ranking are just like pre-season rankings
worthless, a guess at best. I like that they dog our classes that continually outperform.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
I actually like it, too
It keeps us under-the-radar and proves that these “experts” are eminently fallible. Besides, the rankings are meaningless in the big picture. However, my point is simply that if you are to rank classes, then surely a periodical that covers the Big-12 would be wise to the methods and recruiting strategy of respective programs or coaches by now and accordingly judge them on a different scale than the bigger recruiting services (I believe Scout had our class ranked in the high 80s nationally – the high 80s).
The link I posted to seemed to view greyshirts unfavorably judging by their wording, which I find odd as I believe it gives KSU and schools that opt to go that route an advantage in allowing their players to acclimate to college life, get a head-start in system and develop physically. Why that would be perceived as a weakness is beyond me. Further, they gave our class a ‘D’ last year, which I find in hindsight mind-boggling. Think of all the immediate contributors Snyder and his staff plucked in last year’s class, with Nigel Malone and Tyler Lockett being just two that spring immediately to mind.
I agree
Synder’s formula is based on working all the angles. Grey-shirts are apart of that formula, and hey guess what…it works!!! I’ll take it any day. Those greyshirts are just like any kid coming directly out of high school, except they are a year older, wiser, stronger, and have acclimated to taking college courses and living as adult college students.
Its an advantage in my eyes, not a disadvantage. If it were my son, unless he was just a freaking stud, I would hold him out that year.
I love HCBS for finding the legal, non shady (:cough: Auburn :cough:), loopholes to make his teams better.
And its obvious how little homework these guys do anyway
they go to rivals, see some stars, and leave it at that.
Every report from a non-local media source keeps laughing at Snyder for having another large load of JUCO’s. 6 of 26 is a large load? Less than 25% of the class is “mostly junior colleges”? Really guys, please do some better homework next time.
Snyder targets JUCO kids when he has a need, or because it was a kid he placed in JUCO on purpose. This isn’t a RP desperation move to go an grad 15 JUCO kids becuase he’s pissed off all the HS coaches in the area.
If there is an important number in this class its 10; as in the 10 guys who are already on campus, ready to participate in spring practice. And of that 10, 7(!) are preps (6 grey’s and Tay Bender). That’s a lot. Those guys are going to be looked at to contribute immediately next year, provide depth, and generally make this team a ton better over the next 4-5 years.
When it comes to evaluating our class, if it wasn’t written by Haskin, Kitchen, Meek, Robinett, Fritchen, Cassidy, Jannassen, or Kinder (and after the class has been on campus for a year or two) throw it out, because it’s not worth the paper its written on.
by jtarkman on Feb 3, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, yes and yes
I find it interesting that Snyder and Kansas State are continuously viewed as too JUCO-dependent. That perception was fed in particular after the ‘97 recruiting haul that included Bishop, Jeff Kelly and Darnell McDonald (among others). Of course Snyder and his staff will tap into any and all available options to make their team better and fill immediate needs, but it isn’t like prep athletes are overlooked in the process. We’ve had three Freshman All-Americans in the past two years (Ty Zimmerman, Tre Walker and little Lockett) and yet the critical view of Snyder’s recruiting is that: A) it is poor in quality, and B) depends too heavily on the JUCO route. These are simply lazy assumptions, much like the one about how Snyder only crafts the weakest schedules possible. When Oklahoma goes the JUCO route and grabs a prospect its viewed as a coup; when its KSU you can hear the groans from the recruiting services. But then this is how recruiting rankings seem to work – if the same recruit who originally committed to LSU in the fall decides in February to switch his commitment to Tulane then he drops three stars in the eyes of the gurus.
Anyway, I like you’re thinking, jtark.
Thanks
As a contrast to bad reporting, here is how The Mercury’s staff reports put it:
The class featured mostly high school players, with five junior college signees and a few greyshirts.
See? That’s what happens when you actually know whats going on… (though the JUCO # was one off)
And the story from Kinder after HCBS’s presser:
Such is the case, as K-State announced the addition of 26 new student-athletes, 20 of which are from the high school ranks and six from junior colleges, addressing virtually every position on the roster.
as-in “who cares where this class is ranked, HCBS got what he needed and that’s all that matters”
/sorry
/rantover
Anyone else find the obsession with 18, and 19 year old boys to be disturbing?
It’s only slightly less creepy than parading a bunch of 21, 22, 23 year olds about in their underwear at the NFL’s meat market, err, combine.
I think it is fun to watch highlight tapes of athletes, but that’s the extent of my interest. Coaches Snyder and Brown are case studies in how to coach up, and how not to coach up, talent.
No calls are bad, but the Cats threw away yet another huge lead. I don’t care about how bad the fouls were called, the fact is this team isn’t good enough.
How long until KU and MU play again, somewhere, somehow? Less than 5 years? <10?
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I was thinking the same thing about our basketball team
As angry as I am at the atrocious officiating that probably cost us 3 games, I am madder at the players for not sustaining energy and getting it done. This team is not that good, but they should better than 4-5 with a little consistency. Can Snyder teach Martin a thing or two?
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I agree
The fact that were 4 and 5 after 9 games is pathetic. I didn’t expect us to win the big 12, but this is terrible. I thought we would have 5 or 6 losses but not this early. we look lost out there on the court.
K-S-U ! we'll carry thy banner high
K-S-U ! long long may thy colors fly
by motown wildcat on Feb 3, 2012 9:45 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
all snyder would teach frank...
is to hold the ball till 2 or 3 seconds on the shot clock then run(drive) it up the middle if it’s there, but if the defense shifts call a timeout or just take the shot clock violation. Then on defense we would stop the run(drive) by playing a zone with all 5 players in the paint, allowing the O to pass all over us and beat us with the 3 ball.
so….I’ll take Franks style
by k-stater86 on Feb 3, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ha ha hah
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
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He would definitely help Frank on ST, though (transitions/in-bounds passes).
/sorry, best I could come up with
My sig needs updated.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Feb 3, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
i actually agree with that...
we seem to be the only team that can’t execute a simple inbounds play and it has cost us many times.
My issue with Martin is what appears to me to be that he is just inflexible.
He seems stuck in his rut and not willing to adapt. Play it his way, regardless of the personnel on hand or what the other team is able to dictate. And that in itself is a big part of the problem with a young team such as ours. They don’t know how, yet, to keep the other team from dictating tempo, etc. They’ll get there because you can see the growth, but they still don’t quite understand it.
Frank, on the other hand, is just in his own rut IMHO.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
Paraphrasing Apocalypse Now
Kurtz (Martin): Do you think my methods are unsound?
Willard (those of us confused by frank’s irratic substitution patterns, and other “inflexible” precepts) – “I see no method here at all, sir.”
Inflexible precepts to include demanding up the line, overplaying the passing lane defense by everyone, even on players who are no threat to score from the outside, BUT also then complaining because we get beat on back cuts to the hole. 2. Playing Victor Ojele because he hustles and brings energy but then apologizing for him because he’s not “athletic” enough to really guard other D1 athletes (or block out and get an important rebound on missed FT against Ia. State), but then being willing to throw Will under the bus after demanding that he guard the opponent’s top one or two scorers, when we all know that Will isn’t “athletic” enough to do so. A corrollary to this will be Recruiting the “big Guard”, and talking about how important it is to have big, rangy guards and then not giving Shane a chance to guard anyone for more than a three minute stint to the point where Shane is a headcase who has basically stopped trying.
I gotta stop, I’m getting worked up and the real bottom line is that we are very young, and lack leadership – and just not a good team right now – for many reasons of which Frank is at least equally responsible as the players.
Thats a bit harsh...
I love Frank Martin as I love Bill Snyder.
Neither of them have taken us all the way and each have their flaws. Lets not confuse our rants for sounding like we aren’t backing either coach.
Pick out a better coach for KSU right now… I got no one on my radar and don’t want anyone else either.
If you always do what you've always done, then you'll always get what you've always gotten.
Only guy that I could make any sort of argument for
Steve Henson. But it would be a very light and uninspired argument.
Frank is the guy I want, he’s a great fit here, and he wins lots of games. I would love to keep him here for a long time.
Lived next to the Steve
for a few years while he ran his own lawn mowing business. His wife was a school teacher at my high school, she is hot. That’s all I got on that front.
If you always do what you've always done, then you'll always get what you've always gotten.
Don't forget how crappy BBall was just a few short years ago - tourney 4 out of every 5 years is pretty good.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Feb 3, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Yes this^ tempers
much agnst I have. I was here for Wolly’s last year, this year still seems pretty good compared to that…
I don't think he is inflexible in an absolute sense.
We saw last year he was willing to reflect on his coaching and adjust mid-season.
However, I do think Frank has an inability to make in-game adjustments, and stubbornly sticks to the gameplan even after it has been shown to be flawed or after it has been adjusted for by the other team.
My sig needs updated.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Feb 3, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
And there are more times than not it appears
the players play not to screw up, instead of playing to win. Which means less aggressiveness, which might come across as less effort.
Pretty sure they play again here in a few weeks in Lawrence ;-p
And I’m just giving you a hard time… just so that’s clear!
ha ha ha ha
Funny. I’m actually really excited to watch both of those game. Go Jayhawks!
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I am really torn on this
I still feel dirty for actively promoting KU to win the football game. There are pro’s and con’s to root either way.
I think I will remain neutral in this one and home both games a forfeited in tie
In regard to the recruiting...
Yes, some people take it to the extreme. I like to follow it because I enjoy seeing how the roster is being put together, how needs are being addressed, and if players “look” a certain way, it makes me wonder what we’re going to be doing, schematically.
However, I will never befriend a recruit on Facebook. I will never direct message one on Twitter. There is a line one should never cross.
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Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain
Agreed
However, I will never befriend a recruit on Facebook. I will never direct message one on Twitter. There is a line one should never cross.
And it happens way too often
Yeah me either
/deletes15twitterfollows
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
Well I follow Tay Bender
and Glenn Gronkowski now, but I didn’t start till they were actually on campus
"I like to follow it because I enjoy seeing how the roster is being put together, how needs are being addressed, and if players "look" a certain way, it makes me wonder what we’re going to be doing, schematically."
If I knew more about Snyder’s schemes, I would likely follow just as you do. Since I don’t, I enjoy the speculation as to who may do what for the Cats and why. At this point I have such faith in Snyder and his staff’s ability to find diamonds in the rough, I can do no more than laugh at the recruiting experts.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
BOYCOTT ESPN!
Blog post from Kellis @ the Eagle
on Victor’s little brother Semi Ojeleye.
I really hope he comes here, so so so so so much!
And FWIW
Kellis thinks he’s good kid, reminiscent of his brother.
And he’s smart enough to know he doesn’t want to go to KU, so there’s that
Conspiracy Theory!!!
I know there has been much discussion lately on the number of minutes VO is getting lately. Anybody think there might be some correlation between VO’s minutes and landing his little bro?
I thought that at first
but Vic has been playing well, and he just tries harder than a lot of the other guys. I think Frank just wants someone who will consistently play hard and not get stupid fouls
so, Frank is throwing this season out in hopes of landing Semi O?*
*partial sarcasm in that statement.
worth a shot, we weren't supposed to be very good anyway
/sarcasmbutton
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
i would assume so
usually how that works. any team screws up and they get nasty sanctions
by jtarkman on Feb 3, 2012 4:12 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
A reminder guys (sorry about the late notice) - 1130 am, union foodcourt entrace across from coffee shop
I’ll be in a purple T-shirt with Haymaker 9 on the front and Tomlinson 7 on the back.
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It was very nice meeting jtarkman today, and I hope we can try to meet again soon.
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ummm...with only one or two girls, yeah I guess it does
and lunch was fun, we need more guys to show up in the future though!
I posted this on yesterday's slate as well
my 10:00 meeting ran way later than I expected. Didn’t make it over to the Union until 12:15. Sorry I missed y’all. Definitely need to plan another one. Maybe it can become a monthly thing.
Asian girl white guy pumps inside the journalist.
Not a problem. I like the idea of trying again next month.
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BOYCOTT ESPN!
I just have been swamped.
let me know about the next one.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
speaking of food, is there a Chick-Fil-A on campus?
One came up on the store locator map, but it was in a weird location.
Used to be one in the Union
Not sure if it’s still there.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
Yes it is
It is a “self serve” Chick-Fil-A…meaning they have a very limited menu. Chicken sandwich, char-grilled chicken sandwich, nuggets, wrap, and fries. No chicken salad sandwich, spicy chicken, breakfast, milkshakes, etc.
Asian girl white guy pumps inside the journalist.
Chick-Fil-A opening soon in Wichita.
Just in case you were wondering.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
This will be a stand-alone store with drive-thru.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
Getting nervous about the aTm game
am I alone in this? It appears they are improving and we can’t afford another loss at home…
Not a game on the board
that I’m not nervous about. T Tech would be the only exception. This Team is too up and down. If we go less than .500 the rest of the way and beat the wrong Teams we may miss the NCAA Tourney.
5 Homes and 4 @’s leaves a game that could push us over the .500 mark.
If you always do what you've always done, then you'll always get what you've always gotten.
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