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(rv)K-State @ (3)Mizzou - 78-68 (W) - Post-Game

Just to let you know, I'm completely skipping out on a gym training session for mountain bike season to bring you this post-game writeup. I hope you all enjoy the tremendous sacrifice I'm weathering to do this. You know, since I'm such a budding journalist and all.

It was bound to happen. Sooner or later, K-State was going to really play a good game. And they weren't going to lose.

Star-divide

K-State travels to Mizzou Arena in Columbia for the last time in the foreseeable future. We say we're up one game in the overall history - they say we're tied.

They can't say that anymore, unless they come up with another fake box score from 1902 or some such ridiculousness.

What we witnessed was arguably - and its probably a pretty easy argument - the best game the boys in Purple (or black, on this particular occasion) have played this entire year. Bar none.

Granted, K-State just presents match-up nightmares galore for Mizzou. With only two players on the roster that hit 6-8, K-State should be able to, and did, dominate the interior. There's no secret as to why K-State won - we simply played better than Mizzou did. Even with their sharpshooter guards lurking around the outside, and Missouri G Michael Dixon getting to the rim whenever he wanted, K-State was just too much for Mizzou on, well, the season, apparently.

Of note:

- We probably just handed the Big 12 regular season championship to KU. That's 1800 College Ave, Manhattan, KS, 66502 when you get ready to send us the check, Beakers.

- We held three straight Top-10 opponents to under 40% FG. Impressive stat.

Good Things To Take Away:

  • Two Straight. That makes two straight road wins against Top-10 opponents (#10 Baylor in Waco on Saturday) in four days. I had a strong suspicion that this team wouldn't rest on the laurels of victory against the Bears, but use it as a catapult toward inspired and confident play against the Tigers. With those two wins, we've gone from strong bubble to lock for the NCAA tourney.
  • Confident Play. This was the most confident I've seen our guys play for 40 minutes. Couple of hiccups here and there - especially when MU made a run cutting the lead to 4 with Angel on the bench - but all in all, everyone came to play ball tonight. There wasn't a single player we had in there that made me question where their head was at. As such, we outrebounded MU 33-27, outassisted them 17-15, outblocked them 6-2, only committed 11 TOs, shot nearly 54% FG, and nearly 73% FT. That, my friends, is how you win a basketball game against a very good team in their building.
  • Settled Rotation: Seems HCFM has settled on a rotation. Seems like he does this every February. Ahem, I mean, Frankuary. Only 9 saw the floor, with two of the nine picking up fewer than 10 minutes each. That means (a) we didn't need to go deep into the bench, and (b) Frank's finding some consistency from his players. JO has been massive the past couple of games. Jamar has been playing like he's *gasp* a senior. GIP has been a solid backup for those two. Martavious has shown back up, and Will/Angel are still, well, Will and Angel. But they look like they're starting to gel...in Frankuary.

Things To Improve On:

  • Staying At Home. We need to work on staying at home against good outside shooting teams, especially in the zone defense. Mizzou had some good looks at the bucket from beyond the arc by moving the ball from inside to out, then swinging the ball around. Thankfully, they didn't make many of them. Credit the defense with that; when they did get open looks, they were still relatively low percentage shots.
  • Blocking Out. Even though we outrebounded MU on the game, we did cough up more OREBs than we got. Couple of times, we got stuck in the "jump straight up and tap the ball around" mode instead of finding our guy, putting a butt on them, and going to the ball.
  • Lackadaisical Passes. Our ball movement didn't necessarily slow down in the second half, but during MU's run, we did start throwing some sloppy passes. I can handle stolen passes down on the baseline (say, a closed off backdoor cut). But tipped and intercepted passes up on the high wing are inexcusable. They typically lead directly to two points on the other end - which, is exactly how they made their run. Angel and Will need to value the ball 100% of the time.

Listen up - I'm adding two new stats:

First, Plus/Minus. This is the points K-State scored subtract the points allowed by K-State, while the player was on the floor. Intent is to show raw statistics for how much direct benefit the team receives from the player.

Second, Roland Rating (RR). This is the player's on-court plus/minus subtract the player's off-court plus/minus. Intent is to show raw statistics for how the player influences the game based on when they're playing versus when they're on the bench.

Individual Player Analysis:

Starters:

  • Rodney McGruder: A. Dude had game tonight. After having a couple of off nights, he's slowly brought it back, culminating in a maestro-esque performance tonight. 36 minutes, 24 PTS on 7-14 FG (2-2 3PFG), 8-8 FT, 4 REB, 2 AST, 0 TOs and 1 foul. Plus/Minus: +4, RR: -2. Made outside shots, made buckets from the post, made aggressive drives, made stop-and-pop jumpers. Solid D on the other end, even coming up with arguably the game-sealing rebound and outlet pass to Jamar with 40 seconds left.
  • Angel Rodriguez: A-. For all the rough nights he has, he has some pretty spectacular nights, too. 20 minutes, 7 PTS on 2-5 FG (1-1 3PFG), 2-4 FT, 3 REB, 6 AST, 2 STL, 2 TOs, 2 fouls. Plus/Minus: +8, RR: +6. For all the questionable decisions he makes, he makes great decisions too. And he does things athletically and with vision that no other guard on the team has. The alley-oop to JO late in the second half? Come on. No one else on the team sees that pass, let alone makes it. 3:1 A/T ratio is stellar, and his defense has really improved throughout the year. Starting to learn how to play defense rather than foul. But darn it, kid - make your clutch FTs!
  • Will Spradling: B. 33 minutes, 8 PTS on 3-6 FG (1-2 3PFG), 1-2 FT, 1 REB, 2 AST, 1 STL, 3 TOs, 4 fouls. Plus/Minus: +9, RR: +8. Didn't even realize he had four fouls until I just typed that. Will plays solid, but didn't have one of his better nights, committing more TOs than AST. The hyped pressure D that MU brought midway through the second half really bothered Will. And if there's one thing I'm really starting to get bothered by, it's that he has absolutely no...left...hand. Jeebus, force him left with a defender with quick hands and he's a TO waiting to happen.
  • Jamar Samuels: A-. 36 minutes, with 9 PTS on 3-7 FG (1-1 3PFG), 2-4 FT, 11 REB, 1 AST, 1 BLK, 2 TO, 3 fouls. Plus/Minus: +11, RR: +12. Jamar has played the last three games with tremendous heart, tremendous energy, tremendous inspiration. I give him the "minus" because he still misses too many point-blank buckets for my liking. I hope he can keep up this effort for the rest of his college career.
  • Jordan Henriquez: A. 20 minutes, with 6 PTS on 2-4 FG, 2-2 FT, 4 REB, 4 BLK, 3 fouls. Statsheet.com hates JO, so I don't have his Plus/Minus numbers. JO didn't turn the ball over (major plus), played with effort (major plus), came up with a couple of huge rebounds and held onto the ball (major plus), and had probably the biggest back-to-back plays in his career - an alley-oop from Angel followed immediately by a gutsy defensive rebound that kept our lead at 8 late in the game. Worth noting - JO is now the K-State all-time leading rim protector, with 125 career blocked shots.

Bench:

  • Thomas Gipson: A-. GIP killed it off the bench tonight. 19 minutes, with 13 PTS on 6-7 FG, 1-2 FT, 3 REB, 2 TO. Plus/Minus +9, RR: +8. He was just too big for anyone on Mizzou to handle on the interior. GIP made great interior post moves, even going to his right shoulder once (a miracle in itself). Is it the double-double he was posting against early season foes? Nope. But Missouri in Columbia is not North Florida in MHK, either. Very solid minutes in backup to JO and Jamar.
  • Martavious Irving: A. 22 minutes with 7 PTS on 3-7 FG (1-3 3PFG), 2 REB, 3 AST, 0 TO, 3 fouls. Plus/Minus: +2, RR: -6. Also, a very very solid game from Tay. Welcome back, son. Good to see Martavious out there D'ing up, hitting his little dribble-drive jumpers, and playing decent, ball-control (3:0 A/T) guard play. I like the things Angel and Will bring to the table a little more as starters, but this is a darn nice backup to have.
  • Shane Southwell: B+. A decidedly Paradox game. Only made it in for 9 minutes, but boy did he have an effect on the game. 4 PTS on 2-2 FG, 5 REB, 2 AST, 1 BLK, 1 TO. Plus/Minus: +7, RR: +4. No idea why he only played 9 minutes, but I never saw myself saying "Put Shane in the game!" He came, he did his thing, he vanished.
  • Victor Ojeleye: C. VO made it in for 5 minutes. Plus/Minus: -4, RR: -18. Managed to throw two passes - one got stolen for a TO, the other led to a bucket for an AST. That's it. Just spelled other players for brief periods, or when HCFM decided to yell at someone.

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Nice write-up.

Thanks

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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 21, 2012 11:18 PM CST reply actions  

I'm readking this on my stationary bike...ironic.

Thanks for the analysis.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Feb 21, 2012 11:20 PM CST reply actions  

The only time he could have swapped for was with Vic.

But clearly Frank is more comfortable with a senior at this point than he is with Diaz as a sophomore.

The sauce sweeps behind asian girl white guy.

by yeahboozin on Feb 22, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

*Freshman

Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!

by MeatGeek on Feb 22, 2012 2:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, not sure where Sophomore came from.

I think I was confused in my excitement from last night.

Diaz is going to be a good one. Excited to see him develop through his senior year.

The sauce sweeps behind asian girl white guy.

by yeahboozin on Feb 22, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Nah, Diaz comes in for JO, but JO had a great game so Diaz sat. Doesn't bother me at all.

"Don’t use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them." - Ephesians 4:29

by Sean T on Feb 22, 2012 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed!

I am so glad someone else has mentioned boxing out. Getting a body on someone when the shot goes up is a fundamental tenet of basketball, and as simple as it sounds, it is awfully important. Also, as far as rebounding, I noticed that the K-State stats showed that 29 of their 36 rebounds came on the defensive side, and that really gave them opportunities on offense as well as limiting the second chances of Missouri. Enjoyed the analysis!

by Ashley Dunkak on Feb 22, 2012 12:32 AM CST reply actions  

You mean to say

That Jamar grabbing Kim English by the arm on an important rebound late in the game is not good, fundamental boxing out technique?

I don’t think English had a chance for that rebound and JO had it secured. Mizzou gets a chance to shoot with the clock stopped.

I’m just glad that play didn’t end up hurting us _ i thought I was going to lose it when that happened.

Also (and I’m sure this was commented on in other posts, but I haven’t read them yet) I was angry that Frank had Angel on the floor at all after the time out when it was obvious Mizzou was going to foul. Angel looked very shaky on his two previous misses, so why have him on the court BUT to his credit he stepped up and made two big Free throws to help seal the win. Nice job kid. Was Frank Coaching for the future (training his point guard) or did he just get lucky?

by Daverone on Feb 22, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I also wondered about leaving Angel in late

or having him tack the inbounds. I remarked at the time that it was a bad move, that in that situation the inbounds play should either go to Will or Rodney and noone else should touch the ball. Mizzou was going to foul, why not make sure your best free throw shooters are the ones in position to get the fouls?

by jtarkman on Feb 22, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Angel had to be left in there because he's the only guy comfortable handling the ball against pressure

Give the ball to Spradling or McGruder to take up the court and they probably just double teamed instead of fouling, and possibly get the turnover. Plus, the other bench players (Irving? Southwell?) aren’t any better shooters anyway.

But I would have liked that initial inbounds pass to go to Will first, and then you just have Angel around if needed.

by smitty3268 on Feb 22, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I posted below before I read this^^^.

Totally agree.

If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.

by ArkieCat on Feb 22, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with this

but my logic lies with your last point. Throw it in to Will, let him push until he can’t, then throw it off to Angel or Rod

by jtarkman on Feb 22, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Will can be a very solid SG.

But he’s not a PG at this level.

The sauce sweeps behind asian girl white guy.

by yeahboozin on Feb 22, 2012 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

He gets unfair expectations placed on him at PG. He’s an available backup PG. A caretaker that can handle a caretaking job against most teams. He’s not a real PG.

I’m sure he’ll get his shooting issues worked out over time and he’ll be less prone to slumps as his career goes on. Especially with yet another offseason with Greenawalt. I think Will’s been wearing down for a while now. For a player with Will’s tools, he has to shoot it well to be a truly effective player.

by Itchy n Scratchy on Feb 23, 2012 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Now we question Frank after back to back road wins on the road against Top 10 teams...

will it ever end?

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Feb 23, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think that's really questioning Frank

But it’s up to how you view it.

Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!

by MeatGeek on Feb 23, 2012 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not real sure how you get that out of what I posted.

Frank is playing Will at PG exactly as many minutes as he thinks he needs to and no more. I agree with it. When Angel is in Crazyland, Will plays PG. When Angel is in foul trouble, Will plays PG. When Angel needs to be taught a freshman lesson on the bench, Will plays PG. When Angel is comfortable and sharp, we go with the only real PG on the team.

by Itchy n Scratchy on Feb 24, 2012 12:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Not you the other commentors regarding why Angel was in towards the end of the MU game.

It just seems that as a fanbase we want to always second guess HCFM. This despite just doing something that rarely, if ever, has been done in K-State basketball history. It’s one thing to question coaching decisions when you have multiple losses but when we start having success I really don’t see the need to second guess decisions made in a winning effort.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Feb 24, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

We did it constantly during the football season too. What's the problem?

Whether it was about that colossal flop Brown, playing Mr. Tackle-with-my-head-and-bounce-off Hartman all the time, or the constant questioning of the defensive play calls, we always second guess decisions, and we can. But we also don’t know what we’re talking about.

"Don’t use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them." - Ephesians 4:29

by Sean T on Feb 24, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, because I, for one, don't think that just because you are winning means you are doing everything right.

There is always room for improvement.

I personally think that it is foolish to only criticize when something isn’t working and only praise when something is working.

If something needs fixed, fix it! Don’t wait till everything starts to break down.

But, of course, this means that I also praise when Martin does good things even though we are losing. I do feel you need to be consistent, is the point.

My sig needs updated.

by ChrisP Wildcat on Feb 24, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Which is what I was trying to say about the KU game.

IMO, I felt like we played pretty well (with the exception of Angel) in that game, even though we lost.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 24, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe it's because he can dribble and not put the damn ball right in the defensive man's hands.

Not to be too testy, but Will just flat can’t out dribble a good defensive player.

If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.

by ArkieCat on Feb 22, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Since I could not watch ... guess I'll try to use ESPN3 on Saturday to watch it.

Now we just need to take care of business for several more games.

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by Anon_the_younger on Feb 22, 2012 5:27 AM CST reply actions  

updated the first five years of coaches fanpost.

Link to fanpost

The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
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"You are dead to me. Dead." -TB, purveyor of BOTC, in regards to one of my comments.
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by Anon_the_younger on Feb 22, 2012 6:04 AM CST up reply actions  

BigE - about that Roland Rating

According to statsheet.com it’s (/- on court) – (/- off court) = rating of how the player helped/hindered his team. If it’s negative, doesn’t that mean the player hurt his team? How on earth is that possible for Rodney (the player of the game!) and Martavious who played such a solid game?

At any rate, thank you. I’m sure this was a fun game to recap!

"Don’t use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them." - Ephesians 4:29

by Sean T on Feb 22, 2012 8:11 AM CST reply actions  

It's just a stat. That's all.

I was in the shower this morning thinking I needed to explain plus/minus and Roland Rating a little better.

Plus/minus = (PTS K-State) – (PTS Opp) while player X is on the floor. This is usually a decent indicator of how much a player means to the team on the floor, and very loosely, a comparison of the player’s offensive capability versus their defensive capability. Obviously, a positive number means good things are happening while player X is on the floor, a negative number means they’re somewhat a liability.

Roland Rating = (Player X +/- on court) – (K-State +/- while Player X off court). I’ve never really heard of this metric before, but digging into what the numbers mean, it seems to be a decent indicator of how much player X means to their team. For instance, if player X has a +/- of +8 (K-State outscored opposition by 8 while Player X is on the floor), and K-State has a +/- of +10 while player X isn’t on the floor, player X’s Roland Rating would be -2 (8-10), and you could make the argument that player X was actually hindering his team, not helping it. That’s the theory anyway.

But, at the end of the day, they’re just stats. Numbers and figures. Those of us that watched the game know there’s no way in hell that Rodney hindered this team in any way, shape or form. If you delve into the statistics a little deeper, and look at Rodney’s /- throughout the game, his first stint in the game (approx first 7 minutes or so) was actually a 9. But, when he came out, K-State was in the midst of a run to grab and extend the lead, so his off-court +/ was actually going positive. Rodney’s +/- was above average the rest of the game (13), but he never sat again, so his off-court +/- stayed positive. As such, he ended up with a negative RR, even though he was arguably the best player on the floor for us.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Feb 22, 2012 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Strikeout due to negatives...ugh.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Feb 22, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I stopped reading

After

I was in the shower

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by BlackCats on Feb 22, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

It's just way too volatile and dependent on too much other information to matter.

They can be interesting but in reality both number contain very little useful information on their own.

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by Warden11 on Feb 22, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Where's mpfische anyway to troll about his home record confidence now?

Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!

by MeatGeek on Feb 22, 2012 12:25 PM CST reply actions  

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