K-State Slate: 2.13.12
by TB on Feb 13, 2012 6:37 AM CST
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K-State Basketball
In a game that was a tale of two halves, K-State dominated the first half before falling apart in the second half against Texas on Saturday. The end result was a 75-64 loss that leaves K-State reeling with games against KU, Baylor and Missouri looming.
None of K-State's players were made available to the media afterward. Draw your own conclusions from that.
There's no rest for the frustrated. K-State gets KU in Manhattan tonight.
Bill Self is wary of a snakebitten K-State team. A cornered and wounded animal is often the most dangerous, but at some point it gives up, too. Let's hope that doesn't happen with K-State.
In its last two wins over KU in Manhattan, there's been a Michael Beasley or Jacob Pullen to pour in 25 or 38 points. It will likely take a much more balanced effort tonight if K-State is to pull the upset.
K-State Women's Basketball
In the women's version of the Sunflower Showdown, K-State once again bested KU, notching a 47-43 win.
Big 12 Basketball
Missouri made eight threes in a row in the second half and ran Baylor out of the gym in a 72-57 win ... Iowa State blew out Texas A&M in a 69-46 laugher in Ames ... Remember that Oklahoma team K-State lost to twice? Yeah, it gave Texas Tech its first conference win of the year on Saturday ... KU cruised to an 81-66 home win over Oklahoma State.
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That WBB game was U-G-L-Y
Tasha Dickey played well on the glass, and our bigs made some nice jumpers, but Chambers keeps settling for long 3’s and won’t drive the lane. She air-balled twice (at least) and was way off target other times. Thank goodness the women know how to make free throws. As my dad so eloquently put, someone needs to point out to Frank (he was there, btw) that making your free throws consistently can win you games (especially close ones), even if other parts of your game aren’t working out so well.
Brittany did have an awful game, but she did make a key steal and then those game icing FTs.
They Lady Cats were also killed on the boards. Thank the Lord Branshea Brown and Dickey had really good first halves because Childs and Chambers were awful.
Also, please pray for KU’s leading scorer Carolyn Davis who likely has a dislocated kneecap (GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!).
By the way, Wichita State (officially the 2nd best team in the state, and I’d like to see KU vs WSU) was 17 of 17 in their spanking of Creighton.
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Yeah, we had others step up when our stars were dormant
and I mentioned those free throws (sorta). Without Chambers’ (and others) free throws, the girls lose that game.
And it was bad, you could hear the scream cross-court. I still wish I knew what that argument in the stands was about. Seemed like a pretty childish thing to do, especially during an injury
Kirk said they finally got her on the cart,
threw some blankets over her, and drove across the street and straight into surgery. Someone else commented that the scream was horrifying.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
Only if you can actually make it to the line though!
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
True enough
I mean in a regularly officiated, no-homer called game (so not in Allen, and apparently not now in Irwin)
Right.
I know what you meant. I guess I’m still upset. I thought I had gotten over that garbage of a second half, but apparently not.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
Of the guys not speaking after the game
This seems like a really bad sign going forward. If Martin told them not to then he must not have trusted what they might say. If they made choice, it’s like they are throwing in the towel. 48 free throws to 12 for us? That would be an excuse if we’d actually tried in the second half. I can understand frustration, but now short of a miracle tonight, this should be an NIT team. The good news is now 9-9 gets us in the dance because we will have to beat KU, Baylor or Missouri. Small chance. They have it in their heads that they can’t hold a lead and consistently have lost close games. I feel really bad for them right now, leaderless and wandering. Will someone please step up?
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
I feel like they DID try in the second half.
And all of their efforts were nullified by the guys in black and white. But that’s just my opinion, and I know only a few others on here share that same opinion with me.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
yes you are right
Saying they didn’t try is shortsighted. It was the cumulative effect of bad officiating and frustration. A slippery slope of stupidity stemmed from the zebras.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
I agree
They did try, but we didn’t try to drive the lane (except for Angel a few times) and settled for shots cause we knew we weren’t going to get the calls inside.
If you always do what you've always done, then you'll always get what you've always gotten.
I was travelling and didn't get to listen to the game.
Reports from friends later told me that Wyatt and friends were commenting that the Cats were still “Trying” to be aggressive and without coming right out and saying “Jesus, I can’t believe this” were indicating that they couldn’t believe the no calls on Texas and the chippie calls on KSU.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
I can't listen to the radio while watching
because it is a good 5-7 seconds ahead of my directv feed.
But yeah, that’s exactly how I felt.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised at all if we end up winning 2 of the next 3...
That’s the thing with this team. If they are angry, they may go out and go on a little run.
I don’t know. It probably won’t happen. But a game like the Texas game may be what Frank needs to really get that chip on their shoulder they need to perform at their highest levels. If I’m Frank Martin, I’m playing this up as the “Us Against the World” mentality that he actually is very good at.
Win tonight and the season changes dramatically. Lose tonight, and we’re probably limping home.
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I hope Diaz comes through with a monster night
against Whitey Withey. Same with Gip. Need our young bigs to really step up tonight, b/c I just don’t see Jamar or JO coming out with the needed energy or aggressiveness.
Also, please don’t make Will guard Taylor, that would end badly for us
I saw this somewhere else
not sure if it was on here or not…I know this won’t happen, but…
I would really like to see us come out with Shane in the starting lineup and mix in some 3-2 zone with him at the top. Put him on Taylor when we go man. The rationale was that Self always has plays drawn up to start against us because he knows his players can beat us back-door and on lobs with our pressure man-to-man. I wouldn’t mind seeing us mix it up a bit, even just for 3 or 4 possessions. I like what Shane has done the last couple of games, that’s why I was thinking having him in there to start. Just a random thought. Again, it won’t happen.
Who would take out to put him in though?
Angel is now the starting point, Will is still our best option at the 2, and Rod is our best shooter and defender. Shane isn’t big enough to replace Jamar or Gip either.
I agree, it would be nice to show them some different looks, but I just can’t see where Shane breaks into the starting rotation.
Jamar
let him sit on the bench like he used to and get acclimated to the game for a few minutes before he goes in.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
I understand you on the size thing
but that didn’t seem to be a major problem with Mizzou (I realize that is not a great comparison, but still, they only have one big to throw at anyone at any given time).
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Their guys are also a lot older and smart than most of our guys
though I understand where you are coming from.
My biggest fear is that we will come out
standing around on offense. We absolutely have to move the ball well on KU. KU can be vulnerable inside-out, and I hope Frank will dial up a strategy that can exploit this.
Its my biggest fear too,
and I think we do what we have done all season and have a piss poor half court offense.
I almost feel like
The only way we will have a legitimate chance tonight is if Rod gets loose for 30-35+ and Will and Angel are making good shot selections cuz with JO and Jamar lacking confidence the way they are right now I don’t think we have anyone who can guard T-Rob in the paint…hope I’m wrong…
by Kohawk84 on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Well, asking anyone in the country to guard T-Rob in the paint
is pretty much a lost cause when officials slobber all over his knob the way they do.
Seriously, did anyone happen to see any of the game Saturday? There was one particular play where a defender placed both hands on T-Rob’s back as he was backing in (literally just placed hands on his back, no shoving or anything), and was immediately whistled for a foul.
How are you supposed to defend someone if you literally can’t touch him?
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah. I was thinking about that to...
The guy is already hard enough to guard inside. When the officials won’t let you get within a foot of him it makes it impossible…I guess at least he isn’t foul and hack crazy like Aldrich was tho…
by Kohawk84 on Feb 13, 2012 10:02 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Didn't realize until reading
that KSU didn’t shoot a free-throw in the second half of the TX game.
I don’t blame the players for not talking to the media. I’m betting it was a player decision, not a coach’s thing.
If you always do what you've always done, then you'll always get what you've always gotten.
I would rather have had it Frank's decision
Being pissed about calls is normal esp with our fair share this year, but it seems from the past teams that get it in their heads that they get screwed continue to get screwed. They need to move on and actually believe the refs are not against them, even if I struggle to do it myself. If this is in our collective team’s head, then we are done for the year.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
Agreed. I put that on the coaches, though,
to get them through that mentality. Need to practice that way, where your practice squad fouls the guys like crazy and you call every little thing on the guys so they learn to fight through it
It would be nice if the athletic department could
keep some retired or small division refs on permanent retainer. One or two for basketball (to be shared by men’s & women’s), and maybe 2-4 for football. Preferably local guys (or gals) that can be called in anytime one of the teams wants to scrimmage. That way they can practice with officiating, and the coaches can work on those things in practice.
Because basketball coaches have no idea what calls to make themselves
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
It was a thought to aid the coaches.
They aren’t trained officials, they know the rules but aren’t looking at it from the same perspective.
I’m not saying they coaches can’t do it, or that you need one permanently on staff, just that having a couple guys you can call in on a regular basis, to simulate game-style officiating, could be helpful to the coaches and players.
Shrugs
I would assume they do on occassion. It only makes perfect sense. I was just trying to give ya a hard time.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
Very little
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
No, little is to big a term when she needs a microscope.
Did I just burn myself, yes yes I did.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
They do this in football.
Football officials come in and work the spring and fall scrimmages leading up to the season. During the season, they might not because of scouting/info concerns.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
i hope j.o. has his usual random good game tonight
he normally plays quite well against ku for some reason
I only remember the one good game against KU - in the Big XII Tourney...
Have I got my Jamar blinders on or something? Albeit, I as well hope he has a big game…Rodney as well…Will as well…Gip as well…H&R Block as well…Diaz as well…Irving as well…
I’m sensing a pattern here…
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by mac attack ict on Feb 13, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Apparently there was about a 100 people in line an hour ago
Though I hate the new lineup procedures with a passion.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
I plan on heading that way soon
at least the system the used this year rewarded people for showing up to other games.
Though I still wish there was a way to give points for staying through the end of the game. So many kids checked in to the non-con games then turned around and left, just so they could get points for the KU game
It did that
Other than that, it was utter bullshit.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
I so often bite the bullet as the sacrificial lamb for the slaughter
Every commenter has to have their niche on a blog/messageboard. Mine just so happens to be the guy who adds nothing to the conversation, sets himself up for jokes at his own expense, and for a time I digged at the KSB- Furnace Wars to try and heat them up until I realized they were tearing this world apart.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
This should be evident just by your user picture.
(setting yourself up for jokes)
:)
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
I am nothing if not a man of Ron Prince
He signed a secret contract with morons for our sins.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
Just like you continue to use a RP profile pic
I do that sometimes as well, bring up a contrasting viewpoint just to keep the convo going
in line now
close to the north end of the football stadium with Wabasher
by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 2:06 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
That's a long way from Bramlage. How many people in line?
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1/3 of the student section?
I’m guessing the line isn’t single file either. It is probably about 4 or 5 people wide (or more).
Yeah, would have been nice for the snow to wait a day, huh?
I’m in my warm (relatively) office right now, and don’t have to deal with that line, because I have a reserved (slightly obstructed by the north backboard) seat. :) To be honest, for this game, I would rather be in the student section.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Just scored a ticket myself - now to tell the wife I'll be home late and make the drive from Wichita to Manhattan
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by mac attack ict on Feb 13, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
sweet!
The roads here really aren’t bad. Just very dirty. Everything is slush, and as long as the temp stays where it is, they shouldn’t get any worse.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Several hundred. Line is really spread out, groups taking up lots of space
by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 2:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Several hundred. Line is really spread out, groups taking up lots of space
by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 2:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
will the students in the line
be changing the chant per Franks no Fu@*ing cussing request?
If you always do what you've always done, then you'll always get what you've always gotten.
I highly doubt it will happen at this game.
If during Sandstorm, the students are really saying “f*ck KU” instead of “K-S-U”, then I think it would be very difficult to change that habit when we ARE actually playing KU. Just a hunch though. I would also assume it depends on how the game goes.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
there has been no talk of it
And I doubt there will be any cfhange
by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 4:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like the idea of a balanced scoring effort
But it’s really hard to imagine KSU winning without Rod at least being better than he’s been lately. I know his foot has been bothering, but the ‘Cats just don’t really have anyone to step in and find shots when he’s not even shooting 10 times in a game.
It got so bad last game that I actually wanted to see Angel force up some halfway contested threes at a few points in the game because it felt like that would have been better than what the offense were getting.
Tonight...
Last year, since it was Valentine’s day, I spent the evening with my wife and didn’t watch the game live. That obviously worked out well for us.
Therefore, tonight, I will be DVRing the game and not watching it because I really feel like there is something to this, cosmically.
You’re all welcome. I will be watching “The Voice” and checking in on my phone. I’ll watch it later this week.
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It's surprisingly easy. Also, I have about 100-150 pages left in the last Game of Thrones book that I've been trying to ge through...
So, I can always fall back on that.
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Good series there, but the author is now officially milking his success...
Waiting years to put the next book out, turning one book into two…
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by mac attack ict on Feb 13, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
I beg to differ.
Try writing a book sometime. Not as easy as it sounds.
And I think splitting up the last two books was necessary, but that’s just personal opinion, I guess.
And, whether he is milking his success or not, he is still putting out high quality work, so I don’t feel like there is much to complain about.
My sig needs updated.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Feb 13, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
I do have to admit that he keeps it interesting by killing off his main characters at a furious pace...
The series certainly belongs on the read list, but maybe don’t start until the last book is published.
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by mac attack ict on Feb 13, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm slow reading the last one in hopes the next one won't be far away.
Anyone know off hand when it’s expected?
Or I could just Google it…..
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
No published expected by date.
Martin doesn’t want to have to deal with missed deadlines again.
My sig needs updated.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Feb 13, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Is it good?
Because I’m really struggling to get through A Feast for Crows, after loving the first three.
I know I'm in th eminority on this, but I really liked Feast.
I certainly don’t think it was as good as the first three, but I certainly enjoyed it, despite it being a much slower pace.
Of course, I could just be a sycophant.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Feb 13, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
When we broke "The Streak"
It was immediately following my proposal to my wife.
In fact, I had been planning on not watching the game to spend the evening with her, and to show how much I loved her over KSU bball.
Fortunately, I chose my wife well, and she wanted to watch the game.
So, I guess that means I need to get a quick divorce so that I can propose to my wife again tonight. TB, any chance on getting this done in the next few hours?
My sig needs updated.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Feb 13, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
No problem. Just double my usual rate ;-)
We'll carry the banner high!
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by TB on Feb 13, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Fight the alimony.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
For anybody interested...
…I previewed tonight’s game at the Mothership.
http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-basketball/2012/2/13/2794955/kansas-kansas-state-preview
Hope I’m wrong.
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I doubt you will be wrong, but you never know.
I’ve had my heart ripped out too many times this year that I’m growing numb to it.
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Heart ripped out - your like the Davy Jones of BOTC (the Pirates of the Carribean version that is).
Which, by the way, was consequently my favorite bar on WaiKiKi beach – Davy Jones Locker…walk off the beach, grab a beer and see who takes what off in the Outrigger pool. I think it closed down now, but the best bar on beach. Suprised I remember anything from that stage of my life.
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by mac attack ict on Feb 13, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Way to steal my thunder
I kid, and your preview is undoubtedly better and more thorough than mine. But it is amusing that you posted this comment at the exact same moment my preview posted on the front page.
by Ahearn Alley on Feb 13, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Great preview. Thank you Bill.
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How accurate
our only real hope is the crowd. That sounds bad but I agree. This team just doesn’t have the experience or “it” factor yet.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
I agree
and I think this crowd will definitely be fired up for the first 10 minutes regardless of what happens. After that first 10 minutes, though, will probably depend on how we are playing. If we are leading, or at least close, we will stay in it. If we get down big (like more than 15), I can see the crowd losing interest.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
I have to admit I'm a little encouraged by my students today
I see WAY more purple than blue/red and I teach in Wichita so it’s mixed. Positive vibes for the team.
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What does this mean?
http://online.wsj.com/article/AP15f3f45536844b83a5ffdf71e9124ba8.html
- This better not get political people. I just want to know if we’re gonna get the lab.
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I mentioned this awhile ago, and was told not to worry.
This is what I was trying to get at, but didn’t have the news article to back it up. I had pretty good reason to trust my source as he had very recently (last administration) been VERY high in the State government hierarchy.
I’m curious what the sentiment is now though.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yo answer your question though
I think it means they are not sure if they want to spend the $650 million to move the lab here. If this holds true, the facility will stay at Plum Island (as opposed to going to a different location, say, somewhere in Texas as had been postulated some time ago).
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
At our NBAF site? As far as I can tell there is no building, just a lot of earthmoving and working on roadways.
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My understanding is that they have only done site work so far.
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by mac attack ict on Feb 13, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
correct, kind of.
The actual building has not been started yet. Mainly earthwork. I believe they DO have a maintenance/facilities building though.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Power plant.
At least the shell, don’t know if it opperational
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
I was going to say central plant, but wasn't positive.
That’s what i thought they were doing though.
I do not think it is operational at this point.
Then again, as i have tried to explain in the past, KSU really has nothing to do with this at all, except for providing the land, and getting SOME small say in what the exterior of the complex will look like so it doesn’t stick out like a sore Goodnow/Marlatt thumb on our campus.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of which, they really should just over-facade that complex with limestone.
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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I haven't seen any plans or renderings (see comment above)
but I would anticipate it would somewhat resemble BRI (Pat Roberts Hall).
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
oh. Yeah, missed that. Sorry.
I would love to see that happen. Would totally change the look of that eyesore of a complex.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
This thing better get built here.
This isn’t a bridge to nowhere. It serves a critical scientific/strategic/defensive purpose that will pay dividends to the local and state economy several times over.
This is a revenue generator.
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by Panjandrum on Feb 13, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But you see, we have to spend money to create money.
And Obama is under a lot of pressure right now because of the bailout spending and the debt that has been racked up (I can’t get on Facebook without seeing a graph that someone has posted about who is really to blame for the national debt).
Doesn’t surprise me that something useful like this would get shit-canned, and continuing to pour money into the failing banks would continue.
/wasn’t trying to make this political, and I promise that’s all I will say about that.
I’m not taking either side on the current political issues…I have pretty much lost faith in all parties at this point to actually do what is in the best interests of the average citizen. I don’t think the situation would be any different today if Obama had not won, nor do I think it will be any different regardless of who wins the election in November.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
So I've been putting my resume together this morning...
It’s hard to give an accurate answer without getting political. It boils down to, it is an election year and the Administration is trying to save as many D’s as possible and shifted the funding to swing states, agencies that pander to his base (increased funding to the National Endowment of the Arts $10MM) and districts in peril. The Presidents budget is one of 3, the House and Senate have to weigh in…It’s not like there has been a budget passed in the last 3 years. Sigh.
I’m not in full on panic mode (yet, the burbon is helping) but if anyone is looking for a CEO (500 employees or less, or more what evs) or really good number 2, call me. Soon. Please.
Double sigh.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
so, were you (maybe still are) going to actually be employed at NBAF?
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
My business was/is NBAF focused.
I help companies see the financial benefit of locating and operating in and around KState/NBAF. Without NBAF, well, the Chamber has a great guy that can handle that amount of work. My business streamlined the process for large corporations to reduce his workload. Selling just KState becomes difficult because I don’t have access to all of the IP being generated at the University so making those connections and alliances is much harder.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
cool
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Used to be.
Till about 4 hours ago.
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Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
understandable
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
Bring On The Cats is hiring strategic development partners.
We can pay you in Beef Jerkey and expired hot dog buns, but people will rec your comments and send you nice emails from time to time.
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by Panjandrum on Feb 13, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm listening...
What kind of Beef Jerkey? Slim Jims are a deal breaker.
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Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
Dealer's Choice. The football season was a rainmaker to the budget.
I mean, my God, we’re just rolling in Teryaki strips.
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by Panjandrum on Feb 13, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm in.
Let me talk with my bank to confirm their acceptance for my mortgage payment. That should be no problem, so I can start Monday.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
Slim Jim isn't beef jerky.
/ohhhhhhyeeeeeeah
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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Putting on my serious hat though...
So, one of the things that will be brought up in the general, like it always is, is the “Democrats are weak on defense,” angle. Even though this is technically domestic anti-terrorism defense, is this something that may get passed?
Here’s the thing that bothers me. Sebelius is one of the members of his cabinet. Does she have any pull? Also, even though he recommends it not be funded, I’m just wondering if this is something Republicans, especially those from the Kansas delegation, would try to spin as Obama being soft on defense?
(I"m grasping at straws here.)
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Actually, the "Soft on SECURITY"
Is already being heard. Had a conference call and it was brought up at least 6 times. As you point out it isn’t defense, but the DOD and DHS together is security. Cutting DOD budget + Cutting DHS budget = SOS (Soft On Security).
Chatter is out there that the House might go the other way and onetime fund the whole thing, at least in committee.
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Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
Hail Mary play. Someone get Tyler Palko on your team, Black.
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Because he's not busy and probably will work for beef jerky.
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DHS falls under "security"
as you point out, Black. For instance the U.S. Coast Guard budget – despite being part of the military – falls under DHS purview. Regarding the NBAF the money would fall under defense. If the House Budget Committee backs NBAF funding then I’m figuring it will get funded because there will be other battles to pick over the budget that will take on greater importance to Obama for him to exercise his line-item veto. Although with one facility already in place both sides may just kick this can down the road.
NBAF is a Department of Homeland Security inititave.
Has nothing to do with the DOD. President can’t line item veto. Not to sound like a dick, but just take a pass. I appreciate your wanting to throw in your opinion, but this one is above your base of knowledge.
/didn’t succeed in not sounding like a dick, sorry
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
Not a problem
I let it pass because you’re right: winnowing down into NBAF is most certainly not my territory. That said defense budgets in general are my area (professionally speaking). And the president cannot line-item veto yet, but that step is getting closer if the Senate follows the House.
Exercise in futility.
They gave Clinton the ability and the SOTUS struck it down. What is proposed now is the current system but with new lipstick. Instead of a veto and an explanation saying why he vetoed, the president would say why he doesn’t like it and ask them for a new bill.
It to will be struck down because there is already this mechanism provided by the constitution and the Supremes with rule it is an usurpation of the constitution.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
I agree it is dog-chasing-the-tail scenario
Regardless, the administration’s FY13 budget proposal is dead on arrival in Congress.
by CT-K-Stater on Feb 14, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
And, as well-intentioned as the lie-item veto is, it is too great a power to give to one person.
Do we really want one person to be able to go through and arbitrarily change laws that have been passed by Congress to be more to their liking?
The line-item is pushed as being necessary for battling pork, but what would really happen is that most presidents would just let their own pork pass, veto the other parties’ pork, and then veto aspects of the law they didn’t agree with.
This is an example of a good idea in theory and a bad idea in practice.
But you are definitely right that the only way a line-item veto ever stays in effect for longer than it takes the SOTUS to review it is if it is an amendment.
My sig needs updated.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Feb 14, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
And this is getting almost completely political, so I'll bow out.
My sig needs updated.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Feb 14, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't surprise me (the laat part anyway)
Especially with Sam “the wonder govner” Brownback in charge.
by EMAW 4 Ever (iphone) on Feb 13, 2012 3:54 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
If I'm picking up what you're throwing down
Sebelius is actually a huge proponent of NBAF. It’s the shining jewel in her crown that got her the HHS position and Napolotano was supposed to be a close friend that could keep the wheels greased.
Apparently she is a filthy liar. Color me shocked.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
You hit the nail on the head earlier when you said this: "election year"
Dude’s trying to keep his job.
Aside from our most recent State administration, I’m trying to remember the last time an administration did what they felt what was right and worry about the real issues at hand instead of worry about the upcoming election.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Gerald Ford
And look where that got him.
A shot one termer.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
Shot AT
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
I am by no means a budget expert
But almost never does the budget proposed by the president get approved – can’t remember this ever happening. It is a typical negotiation – call it the president wish list. In fact, long ago in a country far far away budgets were actually created and approved by the senate and house and passed to the president. Now we get three budgets (or at least two with the senate abstaining for the past 3 years – how does that happen anyway?).
Long story short, this is the first volley and highly unlikely to end here. I can certainly understand your unease, and being prepared for the worst is the only thing to do, but I still believe this is going to happen.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Feb 14, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
That's my point though
there is something wrong (IMO) when people are more concerned about getting re-elected than doing what they feel is the best thing to be doing for the Country.
It most likely will end in a one term stay, especially when those things seem to be polarizing.
But then you could always get someone coming in after you who just decides to overturn all of the “good” things you did anyway, so, as I said, it doesn’t really matter who does what at this point.
/yeah there is a bit of conspiracy theory in my rant
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
It doesn't take a genius to figure this thing out.
Obama just proposed the LARGEST budget in our country’s history. Spending is out of control.
Yet, red-state Kansas gets screwed out of a center focused on national security and research for security.
You don’t have to try very hard to “get political.”
That’s all it’s about.
This isn't about red-state Kansas.
I’m pretty certain this would still be the case if they had planned to build this in Massachusetts or California.
It’s a “we already have a facility for this research, don’t we? So, let’s not spend $650 million on a new one right now.” issue.
Who cares if that facility is 50 years old and the researchers are unhappy with it. I also don’t believe this would be any different if someone else was in the White House right now.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Then you and I can agree to disagree.
I can tell you right now they wouldn’t cut a billion dollar project out of a swing state today, especially in light of the fact that the budget is already the highest in history.
Obviously spending isn’t a concern for this administration.
What if he disagrees to disagree?
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by Anon_the_younger on Feb 13, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
honestly, it's not worth the effort to argue about this
Doesn’t have anything to do with the game tonight, and I don’t think dcchiefcat, or myself will be able to change any of what’s happening with regard to NBAF, Obama, government spending, or the election.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
Because, considering all of the jobs and money this will actually bring to Kansas, this would be a GOOD thing for Obama to actually have happen.
Perhaps enough of a good thing for people who may not otherwise vote for him to do so (knowing that he actually kept it coming here).
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
The Obama team can read polls
Funding the NBAF isn’t enough to turn Kansas from red to blue. And in the spirit of fairness, if the shoe were on the other foot a GOP president wouldn’t be able to bring enough jobs to, say, Massachusetts or Connecticut or New York to turn those states from blue to red in one budgetary earmark. Like any seasoned political election team, Obama’s no doubt has done their ground work and knows the lay of the land and unless they can bring a substantial (and I mean substantial) amount of jobs and money into Kansas they are betting the state won’t flip. Besides, Congressional reps can just as easily say they brought home the bacon despite the president’s intransigence (real or imagined). I’m not trying to delve deeply into politics here, just saying. I think you make the point above aptly – considering the Plum Island facility already exists and with bigger budgetary battles to fight, both sides will probably just figure a new NBAF is an unnecessary luxury at the moment.
This is more coherent
But NBAF is not a luxury. That’s like saying the CDC is nice how it is, they don’t need any new labs or technology.
Look I’m not going on a tirade here, there’s no real point. NBAF has been my life for the past 7 years or so (minus two in the front portion). We’re stuck in an election year game and after several hours of discussion, the door is not shut, the sun will not fall out of the sky, and black lager is ok, but I wouldn’t drink the stuff everyday. NBAF is not dead. Yet.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
The only thing wrong with this...
…is that black lager is better than OK. If it’s Shiner Black.
We'll carry the banner high!
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by TB on Feb 14, 2012 1:50 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That is my perspective Black...
I may make a few calls to see where the word on the street is today – I’ll get back to you if I find anything interesting, albeit probably afternoon since I’m a bit bleary after the game last night.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Feb 14, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions
On a positive note...
The numbers for January are in.
The city of Manhattan, for the first time ever, has gone over the $1,000,000,000 mark in sales in a year (Feb ’11- Jan ’12).
Woot.
Switching to Vodka.
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by BlackCats on Feb 13, 2012 2:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yup!
The EDC Director just left my office.
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Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
and cool to this as well
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
BigE
Re-read your question…not revenue, retail/service sales.
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Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
Pardon my ignorance - but what's the difference?
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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Revenue would be all taxes collected (Sales, Property, Etc, Etc.)
Sales would be, well, sales…that are taxed.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
OK - I see. I meant the same thing - I meant public/private business revenue, not city revenue.
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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Derp
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
That happened a block from my POS basement apartment.
I had no clue.
At least it wasn’t a DUI. And at least we are still several months away from any real football action. My guess is this will end up being a forgotten issue come September.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
At least it wasn't something major.
by EMAW 4 Ever (iphone) on Feb 13, 2012 5:05 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
True, but begs why his license was suspended in the first place, and idiocy can easily spiral out of control...
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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like running into a parking attendant.
buh-dum-cha!
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
I was thinking more along the lines of beating up his girl friend.
cough-ku-cough
by EMAW 4 Ever (iphone) on Feb 13, 2012 5:29 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I was being self-deprecating with my example
and I was trying to stay away from the KU joke, as I already got Andrew Clark pretty good today with my #1 seed losing in the second round dig. :)
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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
Oh yes, and for the slate
http://curtiskitchen.com/k-state-who-is-this-team/ – I couldn’t agree more
http://blogs.kansas.com/kstated/2012/02/12/postgame-texas-75-k-state-64/
And the karmic reason for the men’s basketball team – http://curtiskitchen.com/video-k-state-football-2011-12-year-in-review/
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How in the world did OU lose to Tech??
Did Steven Pledger forget how to play basketball overnight or something? Talk about an rpi killer…
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Holy Crap tech won?!?!?!?!
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