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(rv)K-State @ Texas - 64-75 (L) - Post-Game

Egregious. Lopsided. Not possible. Homerism.

All words used to describe yesterday's game at the Drum in Austin, Texas, where the Wildcats traveled to begin what could be considered a four-game death march (@UT, v. KU, @BU, @MU).

In what could very well have been a "must-win" game for both teams, the Longhorns were gifted the game, and very much obliged by grabbing hold and running away.

Star-divide

28.

It's a number that keeps popping up around blogs, game threads, and other news/media outlets.

In the first half: UT FTA = 20. KSU FTA = 12.

In the second half: UT FTA = 28. KSU FTA = 0.

Even after yesterday's game, K-State is sixth in the country at getting to the line as a team, averaging 26.2 FTA per game. Which is still above Texas' twelfth in the country rate of 25.3.

On the other side of the coin, K-State does put teams at the line nearly 23.8 times per game. Texas isn't far behind, again, with 22.8 trips a game.

How does a team that was on a roll - up 13 (40-27) at the half, come out and watch that lead completely evaporate in the first 7 minutes?

How does a team that averages 26 trips to the charity stripe per game not get there once in an entire half, against a team that puts their opponents there at a much-higher-than-average rate? Especially after a physical first half where both teams were physical, with 14 fouls called on K-State and 10 fouls on UT?

Officiating.

The simple fact is that teams are who they are, and it's even more obvious this late in the season. Both teams on the floor foul at a relatively high rate, and both teams on the floor get to the free throw line at an exceptionally high rate.

When one of those teams comes out and only commits 6 fouls in the second half, but in turn draws 19, shooting 28 free throws in the process, its officiating.

Sure you can look at the stats and say we went cold. You can say we turned the ball over. And you'd be right.

In the second half, our FG% was a dismal 32.8%, after shooting 51.9% in the first.

Turnovers increased from 7 in the first half to 9 in the second.

Do NOT let the 48 points UT scored in the second half fool you into thinking our defense was that much worse, though. In the second half, UT only attempted 16 FG (after 25 FG in the first), still committed 7 TOs.

There was a large debate about officiating on a previous Slate earlier in the week. I contend that while officials don't necessarily "lose" the game for a team, they absolutely can affect the outcome.

With that in mind, the 6th best team in the country in FTA per game - our Kansas State Wildcats - did not attempt a free throw after the 7:00 mark in the first half.

Where the lead disappeared was in the second half, from 18:00 to 13:00. In that five minute span:

KSU: 0-6 FG, 0-0 FTA, 6 fouls, 1 TO.

UT: 4-6 FG, 4-5 FTA, 3 fouls, 1 TO.

Sure, you could make the argument that K-State just played bad, and UT played well. But the damage had already been done by the officiating crew. The physicality on both ends of the floor hadn't changed whatsoever. But what the officials were calling on either end had. We were officially playing against 8 people, not 5.

The psychological impact of lopsided officiating cannot be underestimated. You can play as hard as you possibly can, and it doesn't matter. Eventually, you break. You start to play without conviction. "What's the point?" starts creeping into your thoughts. When you get roughed up on one end, but can't breathe on them on the other, it affects the way you play.

A bad call or a missed call causes a ripple in the equilibrium of the game. If it happens early, and even to both sides, there's a very high chance it won't affect the game. But what we saw on Saturday was calls for an entire half going largely in favor of one team. When this happens, it shifts the entire equilibrium toward the team that's receiving the calls. It is extraordinarily difficult for a team to outplay both the other team and the officials, which is what K-State had to do in the second half to win the game, even with the 14 point lead. They had to play not just very well - they had to play perfect. No TOs. Few missed shots. No 50/50 balls to UT. Secure every possible rebound. And it still may not have mattered.

K-State was outscored 24 points in the second half. Texas made 22 free throws in the second half. Don't tell me lopsided officiating can't affect the outcome of a basketball game.

Good Things To Take Away:

  • Freshman Confidence: Angel, GIP and Diaz are really coming along. Sure, Angel has turnover problems at times. But he's showing a more controlled aggressiveness, better shot selection, and overall a better understanding of the game at K-State. GIP is starting to employ some different moves to keep things a little fresh on the offensive end; but in foul-heavy games, he's going to struggle. Diaz has become our second best option in the paint, and honestly, he runs that high-post on the offense much better than JO ever could. Diaz 16 feet from the bucket is believable. JO 16 feet from the bucket is not scaring anyone.
  • Spradling's Shooting: More of a concept over the past two games, Will has finally done some work to convince us he knows where the goal is. We need him to make shots to win basketball games.
  • Defense: I know having a team score 48 points on you in a half, this may seem like an odd comment. But we did only give up 41 FGA to a team that averages better than 56 FGA on the season.

Things to Improve On:

  • Mental Fortitude: I know its tough, but its something we can continue to work on. We're going to play against 8 people every single time we travel to Lawrence, so being able to continue to execute, play with aggressiveness on both ends are both important in the face of poor reffing.

That's all I could find. I could say rebounding, but you're probably going to get out-rebounded when you have 20 more shot attempts than the opposition. I could say turnovers, but the 16 TOs we committed was not worlds beyond our 14.9 TO per game average. In all reality, we didn't play poorly. The officials gave it to UT, and UT took it and ran.

Individual Player Analysis:

Starters:

  • Rodney McGruder: B- 33 Minutes on a bum foot, and went 4-9 FG for 11 pts, had 8 REB, 1 AST, 2 TO, 1 STL, 2 fouls. Decent? Sure. Star-worthy? Nope. We're seeing why Rodney is so effective as a second option - since his breakout scoring streak earlier in the year, he has seen much tighter defense. Shooting percentages haven't necessarily dropped significantly, but he lacks the ability to truly create his own shot, so his opportunities have gone down.
  • Will Spradling: B- 24 Minutes, 3-8 FG (3-7 3PFG) for 11 points, with 4 REB, 1 STL, and 4 fouls. He's shooting the ball with more confidence than he had the past couple weeks, which is good. Was a train wreck on defense for the most part - UT's Myck Kabongo abused Will every chance he got.
  • Angel Rodriguez: B+ 27 Minutes, 6-13 FG (2-5 3PFG) for 15 points, 2 REB, 3 AST, 6 TOs, 1 STL, 3 fouls. Despite the 6 TOs, Angel did a great quantity of good things for this team yesterday. Angel is the only guy on the team that can actually create his own opportunities. Angel also passed up a number of 3's that he could have easily taken earlier in the year. His decision-making skills are growing.
  • Jamar Samuels: C+ 22 Minutes, 1-5 FG for 3 points, 4 REB, 1 AST, 2 TO, 2 STL, 5 fouls. Between getting called for fouls on the defensive end, and getting banged around on the offensive end and only attempting 2 FTs, he really played as well as could be expected. His ineffectiveness - especially in the second half - is a big reason why UT came back.
  • Thomas Gipson: C 8 Minutes, 1-4 FG for 2 points, 2 REB, 1 TO, 4 fouls. The Big GIP suffered from a more extreme fate of Jamar, getting fouled nearly every time on offense, but getting called for a foul nearly every trip on defense.

Bench:

  • Jordan Henriquez: C- 14 Minutes, 0-3 FG, 1 point, 2 REB, 1 TO, 1 STL, 4 fouls. Jordan is just a shell of himself, and it's sad to watch. Maybe it is partially due to Adrian's progression in this position, but Adrian brings much more to the table as the anchoring big man. He at least got a few more minutes, albeit because of foul trouble.
  • Adrian Diaz: A- 29 Minutes, 5-10 FG for 11 points, 4 REB, 1 BLK, 4 fouls. I'm really starting to dig this kid. You can tell his confidence is increasing, his understanding of the game is increasing, and his capabilities are growing. I feel much more comfortable with him running the high-post handoff in the pinch-post, as opposed to JO or even GIP. Adrian also shows a lot of hustle and finesse around the rim compared to our other bigs. I'm almost giddy at the thought of Angel, GIP and Diaz as seniors.
  • Shane Southwell: A- 32 Minutes, 3-4 FG for 7 points, 3 REB, 4 AST, 2 TO, 2 BLK, 1 STL, 5 fouls. Paradox had a very solid game, despite the foul DQ. Played exceptional defense in the first half, and solid defense in the second. His main charge was UT's J'Covan Brown, who wasn't necessarily getting better looks in the second half, he just started making shots. He shows flashes of aggressiveness with the ball in the half-court set that I wish he would do more. And had the breakaway dunk on UT's Clint Chapman in the first half that was very impressive, and showed his athleticism. Need more of it, son.
  • Martavious Irving: C 5 minutes, 1-1 FG for 3 points, 1 foul. His on-ball defense - something he's been a stalwart of - has dropped off recently. Between Will starting to hit shots (trade 'O' for 'D'?), Angel playing a much better game top-to-bottom, and Shane/Rod playing the wing spots, I guess it's not necessarily surprising Tay had so few minutes.
  • Victor Ojeleye, Nino Williams and Omari Lawrence all logged 2 minutes each. Some will say that Victor not playing means the rest of the team has their head in the right place. Nino comes in, chucks a three at first look with 25 seconds left on the shot clock (which triggered the run UT made to erase our halftime lead), and Omari played garbage time at the end of the game.

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We got beat by 24 points in one half.

That’s just unacceptable, period.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 12, 2012 12:02 PM CST reply actions  

We played timidly on offense in the 2nd half

You can’t use that all as an excuse.

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by MeatGeek on Feb 12, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

You can, actually.

The reason why we started playing timidly is because there was no reward for pounding the ball inside. The were shoving, hacking, doing whatever they wanted with no fouls called in the paint. Subconsciously, you stop going inside, or being aggressive and attacking the rim, because there is much less benefit.

We didn’t just play timid of our own accord. And we certainly didn’t make the conscious effort to start looking at the jumper more than attacking the goal. But the lack of whistles in the paint just eventually drove us there.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Feb 12, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I would like to comment on this game, but I'm not sure that I can.

I’ve never seen a team not shoot a free throw in a half.

I very much hope that these refs are not involved in any more games that K-State plays.

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by Anon_the_younger on Feb 12, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

^^^Exactly this^^^

We were just as aggressive in the first 5+ minutes of the second half on offense as we were in the first half. Our first points in the second half came from Gip. After that, we continued to dump the ball in and attack the rim until it was blatantly obvious that no matter what we did, we weren’t going to get any calls, no matter how hard we got hacked, pushed or scraped. That’s when we started settling for jumpers and their run started.

I don’t get how people can watch the game and say the officials had no impact on the outcome. We didn’t shoot the ball as well and didn’t play quite as well on defense, sure. But, as has been stated multiple times, it was absolute garbage the way the game was officiated in the second half and it unequivocally had a direct impact on the outcome of the game.

by gw1754 on Feb 13, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry man.

Expecting this team to be able to combat the shit that was heaped on it on Saturday is completely unrealistic. Only a top 5 team in the country would have even had a shot at fighting through that mountain of horseshit and competing until the end, much less winning. Of course, a top 5 team wouldn’t have been forced into that situation in the first place, but whatever.

Neither ku nor MU would have come out of Austin with anything close to a win (like they did) playing against the same headwind. Not even close. They barely escaped as it was.

Get this … ku shot 23 FTs in their game @Texas … Texas shot 17. ku won by 3. MU did get 11 FTs … but Texas only shot 24. MU won by 1. 24-11 sucks, but that is something a top 5 team can fight on the road. 48-12 (28-0 in the 2nd half) is fucking impossible to overcome. Especially since it wasn’t the result of settling for jumpers. No further analysis needs to be done on this game.

by Itchy n Scratchy on Feb 13, 2012 6:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Frustrating game for sure.

As you astutely pointed out, UT keyed on Rod in the second half and unfortunately this team doesn’t have the offensive depth to overcome his being shut down.

A couple bad games in a row for Jamar. I hope he gets rolling again for the final stretch.

Loved what we saw out of Diaz. He is going to be the most skilled big man Frank has had outside of Beasley obviously.

And I have zero concerns about any of the three freshmen being run off. They all play very hard, have a lot of enthusiasm, and are too talented to get Franked.

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by yeahboozin on Feb 12, 2012 11:00 PM CST reply actions  

Jamar has not been the same player since winning the sixth man award

his sophomore year. I remember that year someone asked HCFM why he didn’t start Jamar more often. He said Jamar was too excitable and wound up at the start of games. He needed to sit for a little bit and calm down before going in. He played with a lot of passion and screaming that year and was almost impossible to stop at times. In fact he played like he refused to be stopped, offensively or defensively. He now seems to play dispassionate, timid and almost afraid. His foul troubles have not helped his confidence either. I don’t know what happened to the berserker who would come in and take over games but the player now is not the same from two years ago.

by BvilleCat on Feb 13, 2012 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I wonder if Currie caught Frank just after the end of this thing

and reminded him that he can’t say stuff about the refs to the media (at least not outside our guys off camera). He seemed to completely dismiss the officiating, which isn’t a bad thing to keep the commish quiet.

Hopefully Currie and the AD staff sent in a very strongly worded, researched, and well thought out letter to the Big 12 office about this. At least that’s the least they should do

by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 7:55 AM CST reply actions  

agreed

He commented on the no-call on Rodney in the ISU game. That was justified. It was a single call that was plain as day missed.

This is a little different. Commenting on the officiating in this game in the post game interviews would come off as whining and would be something for the commish and the media to catch hold of and run with.

Your idea of a well researched letter with specific examples of calls made at each end would be the best way to go. This crew, IMO, needs to be put on probation or something. That was the most blatant homer officiating I have seen all season, and I THOUGHT I had seen some pretty bad one prior to this.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it would have been proper to discuss the disparity going to the line

but I don’t even think he did that. From my recollection he avoided the subject at all costs.

by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

true

I didn’t listen to the post game comments on the radio. I was pretty steaming at that point and was being rather vocal on the game thread. And as you might have guessed, the conversations were related to the shoddy officiating.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I was listening to the post game on the radio

and when Stan asked him about the disparity in free throws the second half he said something like “I’m not an official so I really couldn’t give you a good answer on that”. Completely avoided the topic and put the loss on his team playing one-on-one basketball both offense and defense.

by BvilleCat on Feb 13, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

And I totally disagree with that assessment.

I’m beating a dead horse at this point, but I totally think our second half play was directly proportionate to the officiating.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Point is

Frank avoided the officials like the plague

by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Who would put them on probabtion? The NCAA?

As I understand it, these aren’t BigXII refs. They’re regional refs.

Now, maybe the B12 can say they won’t use that crew anymore, but they don’t have any power to keep them from reffing in general, as far as I can tell.

by dcchiefcat on Feb 13, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

It would be a Big 12 thing

prevent them from working in conference and suggesting to other conferences that they shouldnt use them either

by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay that's what I figured but wasn't sure.

For some reason I doubt that the crew has much to worry about.

by dcchiefcat on Feb 13, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know who would do it, or how it would work.

but as I said after the blatant no-call in the ISU game, if I, or any other professional, had performed THAT poorly and made that many mistakes while doing my job, and no effort was made to acknowledge, apologize, or do something to make sure those mistakes never happened again, I would most likely have my license revoked. There is a reason for licensing people, to ensure that people doing certain jobs (doctors, lawyers, engineers, architects, accountants) are competent at said job, and to create some form of accountability (you mess up egregiously, you lose your license and can no longer practice that profession).

I suspect officials have to go through some sort of training and get some kind of certification, i.e. they don’t just grab random people off the street to officiate basketball games. Why is it they can do their job half assed with seemingly no consequences?

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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

They are "certified" and have to get a liscense

at least I know me GPa does for HS and MS. You also have to go to regular education sessions, and be reevaluated before and after the season for which your sport starts.

I think the problem lies in the evaluation and education of the Big 12 officiating crews. These guys are not being held accountable for poor games, as made obvious by the poor officiating across the conference this year. If the AD’s got together and said it was bad, I bet something would get done. But its going to take more than just Currie to get something changed

by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Statements like this perpetuate the stereotype of insecure K-State fans.
Mental Fortitude: I know its tough, but its something we can continue to work on. We’re going to play against 8 people every single time we travel to Lawrence, so being able to continue to execute, play with aggressiveness on both ends are both important in the face of poor reffing.

It’s just not true. Look at the box-score from our game there Jan. 4th. KU had more fouls called against them than we did (19-15) and we both took the same number of free throws (16).

I know you’re probably making that statement in exaggeration for effect (or maybe you’re not), but this “woe-is-us” attitude makes it hard to take complaints about officiating seriously, even when they’re legitimate.

It’s not 8-on-5 every time we go to Lawrence, because it wasn’t 8-5 last time we went to Lawrence.

After reviewing the game this weekend, I’ll admit that I underestimated the one-sided officiating in the second-half. I also underestimated just how poorly we played. It was a perfect storm, but with a little enthusiasm we still should have been able to hold on to the double digit lead.

A win tonight cures all.

by dcchiefcat on Feb 13, 2012 9:55 AM CST reply actions  

Personally, I assume we will get 8 on 5 in Lawrence

because it has seemed that way in the majority of games played there.

I don’t know the breakdown, nor do I care to look it up, but I would imagine that those fouls weren’t called evenly throughout the game, nor consistently. Plus (and this is on the coaches), if it happens to you more than once you start to get it in your head that there’s no hope and you shouldn’t even try (i.e. end of UT game). When you’re dealing with the fragile egos of a bunch of college kids, especially in Frank’s system, little things go to your head and it takes you out of any sort of rhythm or consistency. That breakdown I put 65-35 on Frank-to-player ratio. He needs to learn how to keep these guys playing through tough crowds, refs, shooting slumps, and foul trouble. Great coaches can do that, Frank hasn’t figured that one out quite yet (see Jamar, or CK, or Wally Judge).

by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

For every Jamar, Wally, Freddy....

We have a Jake, a Denis, or even a Colon.

Personally, I assume we will get 8-on-5 in Lawrence because it has seemed that way in the majority of games played there.

It seems that way because you’re a K-State fan watching us play a rival on the road, not because that’s the reality. No, the real reason we lose in Lawrence is because we start each game off so poorly we can’t sustain the energy to make a comeback.

When you’re dealing with the fragile egos of a bunch of college kids, especially in Frank’s system, little things go to your head and it takes you out of any sort of rhythm or consistency.

This is interesting. The ironic thing is that Frank’s MO is being a “tough” team, but we haven’t played like one in crunch time this year. Is that the players we have or the way Frank is coaching them? The guys that thrive under him are the ones who embrace the challenges. That’s one reason I’m so excited about the future of Angel, Gip, and Diaz. All three of those guys are battlers. Hopefully Upshaw will be in the same mold, and if he is, we will be dangerous next season.

by dcchiefcat on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I know I see the game in Lawrence through purple colored glasses

That’s why I said it seemed that way, not that it was that way.

And yes it is interesting about this team not being tough. We have discussed it at length on other post-game threads and CBE will probably back my up on this. Frank wants these guys to be tough, but that cant happen unless they see the court consistently. Yes we don’t know what happens in practice, but by this point of the season we should have a starting 5 that plays a majority, with 2-3 solid backups and maybe 1-2 cheap minute guys.
Frank is trying to out-coach himself. Pulling a guy after one minute for a foul is now way to teach these guys toughness or perseverance. Screaming at them all the time only makes them not want to listen.
I agree, the ones who thrive under intense pressure are good in Frank’s system, but even those kind of guys will get frustrated with odd sub patterns and extreme lack of acknowledging when they do something really good (Frank is bad about praising, IMO, though I understand that he shouldn’t have to all the time, but sometimes it is warranted).

by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with everything you've said here.

Especially the praising part. I’d love to see Frank get fired up for his guys every now and then, just doesn’t really seem to be his style.

That being said, everytime I get frustrated with Frank, I think back to where we were 5 years ago, and the majority of my frustration fades away.

by dcchiefcat on Feb 13, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I came in while Wooly was still here. I would gladly take any sort of regular post-season play over wondering if we’ll even make .500

by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I started with Asbury

Actually my roommate freshman year cam back to the dorm one day and said “I think we may be getting a new basketball coach.”

“Oh yeah, what makes you say that?”

“Well, I happened to see the name plate from his door in a trash can.”

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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I was a wooly guy too.

Huggins was my senior year, so that was kind of a cool transition.

by dcchiefcat on Feb 13, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I think its just the atmosphere that is created at Allen

I bet opposing teams say the same about Rupp Arena, Cameron Indoor, or Dean Smith Center. And I bet some of our opponents say the same thing about Bramlage

by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I've always heard the Dean Dome is a bit of a overrated tomb.

Due to poor placing of students.

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by MeatGeek on Feb 13, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Only place that has more student seats than Bramlage

though they have a smaller percentage overall than us :-)

They are placed like most schools, on the end.

by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

There is a little hyperbole thrown in there about AFH. Fair enough.

The premise still remains.

I still don’t think people understand the psychological impact of an 8-on-5 game has. We didn’t play poorly until we were forced to play a game that could be deemed “poor” because of the lack of benefit in trying to play a game that could be deemed “good”.

Our guys aren’t scared of contact. But when you consistently take contact that should be called a foul, and it isn’t, there is a perceived lack of benefit to taking the contact, no? The poor officiating drove us out of the paint.

I am one to give the officials the benefit of the doubt, as long as it remains fair. That second half was not fairly officiated. I’ll also admit when our guys just couldn’t get it done in a game. That particular game – no one could have got it done.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Feb 13, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I think a big thing our guys need to take away from the UT game is

when you drive/are under the basket, go to the rim strong every time. Ignore trying to draw the foul, forget that guys may be hacking you, just go strong every time. If you do that, you’ll make baskets through those fouls which not only sets up a higher probability of getting the and-1 but it also means that if the officials arent going to give you the foul, you may still get points instead of getting blocked.

I know are guys are strong enough to do it, Greenawalt wouldn’t have it any other way, but we are just not seeing that ferociousness at the rim. Jamar used to be JamSam for a reason, he dunked anytime he was close to the rim. Now these guys are trying to hard to draw fouls and put up bunnies. Jamar, Gip, and JO should easily have 3-4 dunks a game a piece.
Even the smaller guys should be going up with strong layups. I have always hated the “floater” shot. Just attack the rim aggressively, and do everything you can to get the ball through the hoop.

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by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks for pointing this out.

I agree with every single word in there. Something I never thought I’d say about this team, but our bigs – especially JO and Jamar – just seem to be playing soft. Hurts to even type that, but it’s true.

I’ve never seen a 7-footer miss more layups/dunks due to contact than JO does. And Jamar looks like a contortionist out there half the time because he goes up and then decides to put his body in some weird, bent shape in order to go around defenders instead of through them. When you do that, it looks so awkward and unconfident that it’s tough for the officials to give you a whistle because you obviously had to change your shot to get it off, which is due to good defense.

Just frustrating all around watching our big guys flail so much.

by dcchiefcat on Feb 13, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

It shouldn't hurt to type that they're soft. They are. Call a spade a spade.

Jamar has way too much athletic talent to be as bad offensively as he has been at times this year. The good news is that he actually does a lot of good things for us even when he’s not scoring the ball. His defense is typically pretty above-standard, and he does a lot of blocking out that allow others to grab rebounds. Is he a star? Nope. If he wasn’t soft, he might be.

I won’t say JO is terrible; he’s got height, which you can’t teach. But unlike being a streaky shooter, his entire game is streaky. If he can get a couple of good things going his way, he’ll play pretty well. If he gets off to a poor start, don’t count on anything out of him.

But watch Diaz very closely in the next following games, and watch JO in the same situations. Diaz is believable. He’s more athletic. That high-post handoff in our offense – JO can only hand that ball off, and he does a pretty poor job of it. It’s easy to defend. Diaz, though, has the athleticism to dribble-drive, hand off, or hit the 18 footer in that instance. Much more difficult to defend. Around the rim, he’s got more touch, more awareness of location, better offensive instinct. If Diaz can grow strength-wise (i.e., not become soft), he’s going to be stellar.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Feb 13, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I like your assessment of Diaz.

I’ve been pretty impressed with him most of the season, and he really looks like he’s starting to feel comfortable out there.

Really looking forward to watching this develop.

by dcchiefcat on Feb 13, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

The floater is an indefensible shot though

when done right.

Several commentators have stated as much. And when it is falling for Rod, you see why. And then he ends up with 20+ points.

Rodney is actually one of the guys who goes strongest to the rim though. He usually DOES get one aggressive dunk type play a game (usually, not while he’s been in this funk though).

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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Rod's aggressiveness makes his floater indefensible

because you have to respect his ability to attack the basket. Denis was the same, if you left him a big enough gap he would shoot through to the basket, and if not then he would pull up for the floater.

My point is that Will and Angel settle for the floater, but never attack the rim (Angel is getting better though). You have to be willing to attack the rim to make the floater work. And guys like Jamar and JO should almost never need to use a shot like that. If they are within 4-6ft of the basket, they should be going strong for it

by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Teach them the sky hook - lost art in basketball and undefensible.

Only joking a little…

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by mac attack ict on Feb 13, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

When you have the wingspan of Kareem

(like JO does) then it can be a killer weapon

by jtarkman on Feb 13, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I went strong to the rim last night in a rec league game.

Dunked on a baseline cut.

Got T’d up. For doing exactly what I was supposed to do in that situation.

/maybeourguysareafraidofthat

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Feb 13, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not even going to start the comment string that I did on your facebook post.

Will just get people riled up about officiating again. :)

Look for me tonight behind the KSU basket in the second half (north end). When we are shooting free throws (if we get to), and they show the view from the camera at the south end, I will be at the top of the screen, just to the right of the backboard. I’ll probably be wearing my purple plaid floppy eared winter hat.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Get a big head of Roy Willams.

I know it will be you, then.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Feb 13, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Ewww.

Why would I do that? LOL

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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Affix a speech bubble to it:

One that has the purple octagon with DOOM in it.

That would be HYSTERICAL.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Feb 13, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I suppose so

But Roy never experienced the OOD. It was pretty much Roy’s house when he was roaming the KU sideline.

Which I guess is why it would be funny. Would probably stick in the craw of some of the Blueducks.

Don’t think I can get a fathead in the next 6 hours, can I?

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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Bingo. Figured you'd realize where I was coming from.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Feb 13, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

(rv)? What's that mean?

Good work on the writeup BigE.

"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain

BOYCOTT ESPN!

by Sean T on Feb 13, 2012 2:58 PM CST reply actions  

receiving votes

would be my guess

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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be correct.

And gawdammit, if we’re receiving votes in any poll (which we were at the time), we’re receiving votes.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Feb 13, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

most underachieving team at this point of the season?

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by Anon_the_younger on Feb 13, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

no question in my mind

just like the football version. :)

Hello SEC!

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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

aww poop

I thought this was in reference to TheBigE’s comment about how we were predicted for 6th place, but at least we aren’t aTm who was picked 1st and is currently in 9th.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 13, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

aTm isn't on my radar since they are SEC.

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by Anon_the_younger on Feb 13, 2012 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, KSU isn't "underachieving"

We are right where all the coaches thought we would be this year. We were picked to finish 6th and that’s where we are. So, technically that’s just “achieving”.

aTm, on the other hand, was picked to win the conference. They are in 9th place. That is what underachieving is.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 14, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

This K-State is underachieving in the sense that they can beat very good teams but they do not play like that every game.

Instead they let up against some other teams so they struggle. If they had played every game this year with the intensity of the game last night, the Cats are in a different position than bubble.

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by Anon_the_younger on Feb 14, 2012 5:50 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

They play to the level of their competition.

and I honestly don’t know what can be done about that. When we play like we did against Alabama, LBS, Mizzou, and KU (last night), we can beat anyone.

When we play teams that play crappy bball, we tend to play crappy bball.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Feb 14, 2012 7:39 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

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