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#22 K-State v. #6 Missouri - 75-59 (W) - Post-Game

Grab those bootstraps. Pull 'em up. Get back to work.

That's about all we could do after the debacle that happened downriver on Wednesday evening. After the FBCats suffered a disappointing loss in the Cotton Bowl to put an end to a wildly successful season, attention quickly turned back to the BBCats on Saturday.

On slate was a Missouri Tigers squad, coming into the Octagon of Doom with an undefeated 14-0 record as the second-leading scoring team in the country, just shy of 84 points per game, and shooting as a team over 50%FG and 77%FT on the season. Furthermore, the Tigers just got done putting a butt-whoopin on Oklahoma, winning by 38. With this game and Baylor coming into the OoD on Tuesday, we needed to have our heads screwed on straight, or an 0-3 (even 0-4, with a following road trip to Norman) start to the Big 12 conference schedule was a legitimate possibility.

Star-divide

Well, Misery is undefeated no more, and was fed a hefty dose of HEY! WE'RE BIGGER THAN YOU ARE! from the Cats all afternoon. What's also impressive was the game attendance. With 40,000 strong in Dallas for the Cotton Bowl, the OoD was still nearly full to capacity, and was very loud even on the telecast. I'm really starting to dig this whole OoD home-court advantage we gots going here. K-State has now won 14 in a row in Bramlage Coliseum, I believe tying the all-time Bramlage mark. [fact checker - need some help here]

This may have been the most complete game that the Cats have put together this year. Missouri has no one taller than 6-9 on the roster, and only two taller than 6-6. Right from the tip, it was our focus to put the ball in the paint. Drive, pass to the block, didn't matter. Get the ball to the bucket. The nonstop offensive attack led Missouri into foul trouble, with Phil Pressey and Steve Moore both fouling out, and Ricardo Ratliffe picking up 4. No one on the Tigers defense could handle anything K-State did in the lane. The gritty, scrappy defense came back as well, holding the Tigers to under 30%FG for the game, and forcing 14 turnovers from one of the best ballhandling teams in the nation.

On the Tigers side, Marcus Denmon is a legit basketball player. He did score 17 points, but took 14 shots to do it, including a 3-9 clip from 3; also registered 6 REB, 3 AST, and 2 STL. Michael Dixon, a strong, quick penetrating guard, also registered 16, but needed 11 shots, and scored 7 of his points from the line. However, looking at the game from a greater perspective, Missouri quite simply couldn't even compete. This game was steadily in K-State's favor 2 minutes in, and halfway through the first half, it was all but over, barring a complete collapse. The Cats led by as many as 21.

HCFM decided (for some reason unbeknownst to us that consider ourselves to be sane and rational) to experiment in the middle of the second half, putting Gipson, Jones, Angel, Nino and Shane all out on the floor at the same time. What happened was the only stretch of bad basketball that was played by K-State, resulting in Missouri cutting the lead to 13. He put an end to that trial period, put the starters back out on the floor, and the cushion quickly grew back to 21 again before some garbage buckets under two minutes to go cut the lead down to the 16-point final spread.

Good things to take away:

- Winning. Coming back home, playing well and getting a win after that atrocity in Lawrence was crucial to the psyche of this team, I believe. If we wen't 0-2 out of the gates, I could see us starting 0-4. Now I see 3-1 as a likelihood at this point.

- Taking advantage of our strengths. Inside, there was no way Missouri could keep up with us, so we pounded and pounded and pounded them into submission. Not just by brute force, but by creative ball movement and finding great stretch-and-seal plays for easy layups, and with our big guys finishing the ball around the rim. No one on the Tiger D could handle Rod. McGruder could do just about anything he wanted to, and something positive would happen. Shane created some major matchup problems on the perimeter; his length and height compared to the smaller Missouri guards created the ability for some fantastic passes. And our bench was key. Being able to constantly rotate players in and out actually out-Missouri'ed the Tigers, as they were the ones exhausted by the end of the game.

- Swagger and Confidence. I'm really happy to see our guys play with the swagger and confidence they had prior to the KU game. After a decimating loss like that, we needed to see the resilience and fortitude, and we got it in spades.

Things to Improve On:

- Offensive Execution. As good as we did play, there were times we did become a little stagnant, specifically when Missouri dropped into the 2-3 zone. Some standing around, a little too much ball-bouncing and not enough ball-moving.

- Player Control. We picked up a couple of charges tonight - I know Jamar and Rod both got whistled for one at the least. While I like being aggressive, neither were really in context of trying to score the ball. All they ended up being were dumb fouls that cause foul trouble. Rod picked up 3 fouls, and JamSam fouled out late in the game.

- Tuesday's a different game. We walked on these guys because we were honestly a better team. Baylor won't be the same - they're much bigger and much more athletic than Missouri. Even at 15-0, I'd say they're underachieving for their talent (indictment of Scott Drew, here). We've got to go back to work tomorrow, and work hard, and be ready to be firing on all cylinders.

Individual Performance Analysis:

Starters:

- Rodney McGruder: A. Played only 25 minutes (foul trouble early second half), but still rang up 20 PTS on 9-17 shooting on an array of floaters, jumpers, and dunks. Plural. As in more than one. Quite simply, scoring-wise, Rod was dominating. He did manage to come up with 4 REB and 1 AST, but also coughed the ball up on 4 TOs, so couldn't give him the A+ some were clamoring for today. I would argue his performance against LBSU in the Diamond Head was more impressive. But hell, the kid had a day today, too. I'll give him a little benefit of the doubt, since his third foul that took him out of the game for a while was a crap call.

- Martavious Irving: A. 25 minutes as well, finishing with 7 PTS, 4 REB, 3 AST, 1 STL, only 1 TO. Played stellar defense all night on Phil Pressey - one of the nation's leaders in AST/TO ratio. Drew a couple charges, and shoulda had at least one more. Hit a 3 when disrespected by the Tigers D, and hit a layup off of a strong move with contact at the rim. Dude was a ROCK.

- Will Spradling: A-. Team-high 31 minutes with 14 PTS (including 3-6 from 3PFG), 3 REB, 2 AST, 1 STL, and didn't turn it over once. Defense is getting better, but got baked on one back-door play that I KNOW was worked on for about a gazillion hours since Wednesday night's loss. Overall, very solid ball.

- Jamar Samuels: B+. This could be a nominee for the "most influential without the numbers to show for it" effort we've seen this year. Only 7 PTS, 2 REB in 24 minutes, but also came up with 3 BLK, and I just felt like there was an energy, a purpose when he was on the floor. There was something very intangible about his game tonight, hence the high grade without the stats.

- Jordan Henriquez: B+. This, on the other hand, could be a nominee for the "A-triple-plus if he could cut out the plays where he looks like a drunk giraffe" award. JO got the call-up today after Big GIP's recent struggles, and put on the most dominant performance I've ever seen out of a guy that can't put the ball in the goal. 26 minutes and 10 PTS, 8 REB, but the looks that he had and the fact he towered over everyone else on the floor? Shoulda (and probably coulda) been more like 20-14. Played as a human eraser on the frontline, swatting 4 shots away. Even made 2-3 FTs, which is a huge improvement for him, as is the 1 TO. Always an interesting watch - he makes some great post moves, but will follow them up with a move where he looks like he just got fitted for new legs yesterday. Ahhhhhhh...fun.

Bench:

- Thomas Gipson: B+. The Big GIP got to ride the pine to start the day, but didn't bother him none. He's a worker. Got his hard hat on. An absolute beast for anyone on Missouri to handle, he only played 12 minutes, but still came up with 9 PTS and 5 REB. Made some moves that shows he's making progress in that department. Played some great D against guys that were smaller and quicker than him. Had to be happy with his effort today.

- Shane Southwell: A. Paradox was a stat-filler in all the good ways today. 25 minutes with 4 PTS, 5 REB, 6 AST, and not a single damn TO. Atta boy, Shane. Only reason this wasn't an A+ effort was due to the fact he kinda disappeared in the second half, doing most of his damage in the first, and he NEEDS more than 4 shots in a game. I've gotta get more points out of him before I can say he had an A+ game. That being said, this guy was playing the game like a maestro today, putting passes right on the money where most people woudn't have even seen the pass. These weren't just assists, they made the game easier for his teammates. Steve Nash type passes. Also killed it with the D, arguably defending on-ball as well as Tay all afternoon.

- Angel Rodriguez: C+. Played really good D, and attacked the basket a couple times, drawing fouls. Scored 3 PTS (all on FTs), and went 0-3 FG. Both 3's he took were complete derp shots, completely forced and not in context with anything. Still, came up with 2 REB and 4 AST to 1 TO in 19 minutes of play. Grade was lowered from a high B due to his decision making with those 3's.

- Victor Ojeleye: D. Really came in just to spell other guys. Logged only 4 minutes, but still somehow managed to ring up 2 TOs. Bud, we need more positive, less negative when you're on the floor.

- Nino Williams: C. Same story as Vic - 4 minutes for other's rest. Shows hustle around the glass (2 REB), but for Pete's sake, man...STOP SHOOTING THREES!

- Adrian Diaz: INC. Only played 2 garbage minutes at the end of the game, and still managed to come up with 1 PT (1-2 FT), 1 REB, 1 TO, and 1 foul. I guess that's taking advantage of the time you got. Hard to get a gauge on any semblance of "how he played".

- Jeremy Jones: INC. Only coming in for 3 minutes, didn't log a stat. Looked like he played decent D while he was in there, and didn't really make any mistakes on offense (aside from that drive-the-baseline-then-jump-and-pass-out-from-under-bucket thing he does...I HATE that), so he must be livin' with Rover for something he did in practice, after the positives we saw from him in Hawai'i.

No one else saw the floor.

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I'm going to say it again, I've never seen a better passer in purple than Southwell.

His passes have a lot of zip, are usually right on the money, and his height means he can get angles that are a stretch for shorter guards.

by AMS on Jan 8, 2012 7:54 AM CST reply actions  

I don't know why

but rewatching the game yesterday after I got back from Bramlage was the first time I have really taken note of Southwell’s passing, and you are right, he is a magician with most of his passes. Super fun to watch.

aka - Hell Dancing
First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)

by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 8, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

How did you rewatch it?

I had to watch on ESPN3…and it was PAIN. FUL.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

ESPN3

and there was only one place where it had the jitters. For the most part it was ok (not HD, but not horribe)

aka - Hell Dancing
First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)

by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 8, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I see this stuff happening realtime...

…like THIS IS SETTING UP GREAT, HE’S GOING TO BE THERE…GIVE HIM THE BALL…GREAT PASS! type thing. If I was in Bramlage, I woulda been thrown out, because I would have run out onto the court and gave Shane a big ol’ hug. He makes me happy when he doesn’t make mistakes.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice writeup

Thanks for the writeup. Was by far the most fun game to watch this year. I think we will handle Baylor.

by iCatDormRat on Jan 8, 2012 8:28 AM CST reply actions  

Jinx!
K-State has now won 14 in a row in Bramlage Coliseum, I believe tying the all-time Bramlage mark.

You just had to post this right before a top-five team came to visit, didn’t you? :-)

Thank God it’s the derpopotamus that is Baylor…

by BracketCat on Jan 8, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

/facepalm

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Can't disagree with anything here.

An all around great performance. Anon did put me in check though regarding that bizarre lineup and I have to say the results proved Frank knew what he was doing. He gave the starters enough rest to come back in and dominate. They also had some fouls so that time on the bench let them still be aggressive when they returned. Plus giving those bench guys some meaningful minutes against real competition can’t hurt. Just was clear yesterday that they weren’t ready to accept that challenge.

Everyone played pretty damn well. Tay and Shane stood out to me as those x-factors who when they play like they did yesterday can take this squad to a whole other level.

Great great win, but also a strange one in some ways. Does anyone else not feel like we just knocked off the previously undefeated #6 team in the country? Maybe it’s because Mizzou clearly isn’t as good as their record or ranking would indicate. Or maybe we’ve come to expect such things from a Frank Martin squad. Either way, it was a big time win and unless Mizzou completely chokes away their season in conference play will be a nice resume builder come Selection Sunday.

by yeahboozin on Jan 8, 2012 8:47 AM CST reply actions  

Just not sure about how good Mizzou REALLY is. Not saying they're not, just saying I don't know.

The five on the floor were completely lifeless and looked like our entire team did against KU. But then again, it was two FR, a RS-FR, a JUCO, and Paradox. Doesn’t really surprise me we didn’t get anywhere with that.

Shane will always be an X-factor. I don’t foresee scenarios where if Shane plays a great game, we end up on the wrong end of the scoreboard. I’d like Tay to NOT be an X-factor, and bring what he did last night every night. The difference that Tay and Shane brought was really mistake-free basketball.

I don’t think we beat the #6 team in the country…but I could be wrong. I think Mizzou, for their credit, is “clearly” as good as their record indicates. They’ve beaten teams they should beat. Think about it, though; we’d be right along side them ranking-wise if we had beat WVU. There are some parallels between our past two games. Mizzou came into MHK and got dominated. The only thing I can say for certain is we played pretty darn well, took Mizzou out of their game, and we looked to be the better team for that 40 minutes.

I thoroughly expect Mizzou to come back after this game, but based on solely what I saw yesterday, I would expect them to finish in the top 4 in the conference, but not win it…KU should do the same thing we just did to them both home and away (as long as Tyshawn doesn’t go for 15 TOs), we’ll probably win in Columbia, too, as long as we execute; I see Mizzou and Baylor splitting. Mizzou should hold court against anyone else in the league.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

To me, it speaks to the improvement made on Frank's watch.

Under Wooly, a home win over a top 10 team would have been the highlight of the season. But now we’re to the point where we’re mostly thinking about March. We know what it’s like to beat good teams in Bramlage.

Maybe it also has something to do with the fact that it is Mizzou. Sure, they’re good, but winning against Mizzou in Bramlage is nothing new.

by AMS on Jan 8, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

This^

We’ve graduated from being ecstatic about having an “ON” night, to bitching vehemently when we have an “OFF” night. My how expectations have changed in HCFMs short tenure.

I find it unbearable at times that I had to attend K-State at the absolute nadir of basketball prowess – the end of Asbury/start of Wooly era. Literally, any other time in K-State history would have been better.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know.

Being there when we ran off Altman wasn’t fun.

by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 8, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably like comparing a D- and an F.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Altman was okay as a coach, just not great.

Asbury just not good.
Wooly started to improve things but not quite there.

The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

As for Altman,

I still contend that he could’ve built something here. We would have never got Frank, but we wouldn’t have gone through the “wilderness” either.

by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 8, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Expectations.

When Altman started as coach, K-State was one of the best programs in the country historically.

Only 2 NIT’s and 1 NCAA tournament, the horror.

Now we are glad to make the NCAA and each win is precious. After the 94-04 years and 20 years of not playing well against KU, good basketball is more appreciated.

The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Altman is one of those coaches that needs some time to build his program.

If you look what he did at Creighton, it was Year 5 when he started the run of NCAA appearances. We only gave him four years. It just makes me wonder what might have been.

by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 8, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

BigE, you're right, this does tie the longest streak in Bramlage history

http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/010712aaa.html

I’m delighted with how everyone performed in the game. Even the weird lineup doesn’t bother me (yeahboozin and Anon are likely right). Coaches did great too. I don’t like the ice-cold shooting in the 2nd half, and the darned inevitable lapses in concentration KSU always suffers when smoking the other team, but it was a big win over a good (not great) team.

What do you think BigE, will the Cats be able to finally win in Columbia? They were clearly the better team today, but even really good KSU teams find a way to suck it up in Columbia.

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by Sean T on Jan 8, 2012 9:03 AM CST reply actions  

KSU dominated to be sure....

But Missouri has faced other tall and athletic teams this year and destroyed them. Part of the difference was KSU’s wonderful perimeter pressure, but part of it was also appalling shooting on Missouri’s part. Even if Missouri shoots far below its 52% season average, and hits at 44% (rather than the 32% it managed) the Tigers win. In other words, I’m not sure we can draw many conclusions from this single game other than: KSU is far better than it played in Lawrence which we already knew; and Missouri will have off shooting nights. We’ll learn a lot more about both teams after Missouri goes to Ames on Wednesday and KSU plays Baylor.

Good game guys, and good luck until Columbia!

by mpfische on Jan 8, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the kudos.

We did play well, which was a welcome sight after that loss downriver.

The perimeter pressure and the poor shooting by the Tiger guards goes, for the most part, hand-in-hand. I think Mizzou’s shooting relies on some streakiness. Not saying that you guys have streaky shooters – the consistently high shooting percentage suggests otherwise – but more of a “need to see the ball drop to make more shots drop” type thing. Open looks weren’t going in because of the fact that the ball hadn’t been going in, period. That, and the fact there weren’t very many open good looks available.

Just saying “If X, then Y” in a game that played out the way it did is too simplistic a view. Sure, if you just bump the shooting percentage up 10 points, then yeah, the Tigers scored more points than the Cats. But bumping 10% in reality changes the whole context of the game, and it plays out completely differently. I do think we had periods of laziness in the second half where we started to play a different game than in the first half, which caused the game to be closer than it could have been. Missouri also made their last three buckets – two being threes from 5 feet outside the line (garbage buckets) – so for giggles, let’s say those don’t go in. Now all of a sudden its not a 16 point win, but a 24 point win, and your shooting percentage just went down 4.5 points.

Not trying to pick a fight or anything, but just pointing out that the Tigers didn’t just have an off-night shooting – the defense caused the off-night.

I hope we’ll both play how we know we can, and we’ll both be ranked in Columbia later this year.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

The other aspect of the Tiger's shooting percentage is that they were playing K-State.

Quite a few of the shots that Missouri did not make were because of K-State’s defense. It is really easy to say ‘if they shot better they would win’ when the other team is keeping them from having good shots.

As an example, anytime Missouri was in the lane they had to contend with JO or Jamar blocking a shot. The way I see this game is that K-State did not allow Missouri to do what Missouri has been doing. Will that happen in Columbia, don’t know but it should be a good game.

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

After reflecting on the game, and looking at Mizzou's game log for the year, I've come to this conclusion:

OK – this might sound strange to any Mizzou fans out there…

The Missouri Tigers will only be effective if Ratcliffe can compete against straight-up defense.

Ratcliffe has averaged over 13 PTS and nearly 7 REB a game – yesterday, 2 and 1. His only other poor scoring game – 3 PTS came in a home win against Mercer; he still came up with 7 REB, and frankly, Mizzou should be able to beat Mercer at home with their band lacin’ em up for the second half.

Here’s the theory: If Ratcliffe (and to a lesser extent, Moore) can be defended effectively in a one-on-one game, it allows the rest of the defense to spread the floor better and not collapse. AND it takes out the need to play 2-3 zone, since a 2-3 zone defense can create a lot of open looks from outside. I don’t think Mizzou has played anyone with the interior strength and relentless engine our inside guys have. Anon – you’re right – it wasn’t just perimeter defense that kept the shooting down – we had 7 BLKs for the game. The paint was completely controlled by the Wildcats, which in turn allows for greater perimeter pressure.

Funny that such a high-tempo, guard-oriented team would hinge on the play of their big, but I’ve seen stranger things.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

It's Ratliffe, without a "c"

Because I know the Mizzou fans will call you on that.

We'll carry the banner high!
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by TB on Jan 8, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

DERP.

My bad. I haven’t had enough coffee this AM.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Just looked back, and realized I did it every single time.

My bad, Mizzou-rah.

Ricardo RATLIFFE.

Sorry.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Fixed in the write-up...

…but can’t edit posts.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

It's deep than that, dude ...

And Missourah had not faced the same kind of team as KSU yet. Not one team they had faced was one that was 100% willing and able to dominate the paint while being able to defend the perimeter as well. Illinois was somewhat able … and completely unwilling.

KSU caused the poor shooting. They gave up no easy mid-range stuff. They closed off most of the backcuts, even while pressuring the passing lanes. And when MU players actually got to the basket … KSU has erasers protecting the rim from multiple directions. What’s left? Low percentage bombs. MU did well enough to hit the percentage it did. In fact, it speaks well of MU’s scoring prowess from the backcourt that they somehow scored 59, given KSU’s defensive and rebounding effort.

The only way MU was winning in MHK was by turning KSU over a boatload while not turning it over themselves, which didn’t happen.

In Columbia, the refs will probably dictate a game much more favorable to MU. MU will probably get to the FT line way, way easier. They’ll probably turn KSU over much more. And KSU will not shoot nearly as well. Such is life on the road in conference games. All KSU did was hold serve. But it would be a mistake to think that KSU isn’t on the same level as MU.

MU is your classic matchup team. If you can’t match up decently with their big strengths and exploit their gigantic weakness, you have a really slim chance … and no chance at all in Columbia. That describes the vast majority of teams in college basketball. It doesn’t describe ku, Baylor, or KSU.

by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 8, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we can, as long as we execute.

We have to expect that Mizzou will be able to find a little more luck in finding the basket in Columbia, and we have to play. If we put up the kind of effort we had in Lawrence, we’ll flat out get run out of the gym.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

"If we put up the kind of effort we had in Lawrence, we’ll flat out get run out of the gym." - against every team in the conference, excepting maybe (MAYBE) TT

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by Sean T on Jan 8, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope Shane continues to develop

The kid has raw talent that is off the charts. A 6-6 swingman. Jeez.

Nice effort by all, and a great game plan. Going to the rack makes a lot of sense when you have the other team out matched.

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Jan 8, 2012 9:09 AM CST reply actions  

Hey editors - question

is anyone going to do a Cotton Bowl recap, or season recap?

Over the disapointment and want to express my joy at the season the football team gave us.

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Jan 8, 2012 9:10 AM CST reply actions  

Yes, we'll have some stuff this week.

I’m slammed with work until at least Tuesday, though, so probably won’t have much before then. Not sure what the others have going on.

We'll carry the banner high!
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by TB on Jan 8, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll probably start a defense post tomorrow ... might finish it in a week or two.

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, if you want to wait on that, I'm half-way done with one.

Been working on it for a while.

I’m just comparing our stats to the rest of the FBS, so, if you were going to do more of a schematic analysis, then we won’t really be stepping on each other’s toes.

My sig needs updated.

by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 8, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

unless your version is a continuation of my post last summer, doubt you will step on my toes.

I’m not doing an in depth look at the D until later in the spring.

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I basically just have a spreadsheet right now with all the big 12 defense numbers vs. season averages

And then a selection of defense numbers vs. season averages from around the top 20 or so of FBS.

If that would be helpful to you I could send it your way.

My sig needs updated.

by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 8, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Email headed your way, so we don't spoil the surprise of first time reading for anyone.

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Gipson, Jones, Angel, Nino and Shane line up.

At the time Jamar, Will, Rodney and Martavious all had 3 fouls with over 10 minutes of game time left.

All this line up had to do was kill some time while mostly keeping the lead. The coaches also have some tape of this line up against a different team so they can show them what needs to be improved. And this line up of players now know that they need to get better to see more game time, but that the coaches see that they can do the job when needed.

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 10:48 AM CST reply actions  

Didn't realize they all had 3.

So, in that reference, I guess we had the best five on the floor we could put out there. Hmmm…is that a legit “book” on us? Get ALL our guys in foul trouble? Shouldn’t that work on everyone? :)

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

It is a legit book on any team.

I don’t know of a team in the Big XII this year that can have the 2nd five on the floor and play like the 1st five. K-State can go 12 deep, but at this point we still would prefer to have a couple of the starters on the floor.

All the young guys on the team this year are doing well and improving each week. By the end of the year, I think this is going to be fun.

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I missed the sarcasm button, sorry.

I think it goes without saying that any team will struggle with all five starters on the bench. After all, that’s why they’re the “starters”.

I think that’s just another frame of view of how dominating of a performance this was – usually, if you said that the opposition had all five starters on the bench with foul trouble, you’d have to like the direction the game was heading.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I think by the end of the year, K-State will have less trouble with the 1st five on the bench.

We have some good guys on the team that are adjusting from JUCO and high school play, not to mention learning to play for a coach that expects maximum effort.

usually, if you said that the opposition had all five starters on the bench with foul trouble, you’d have to like the direction the game was heading.

Yes. I think this is the first time we had most of our starters in foul trouble this year. Usually one or two will have fouls while everyone else is okay, so we have experience and low fouls on the floor. What is interesting to me is that we have about 7 starters on the team.

Now if TG will start relaxing and playing, so he goes back to the performance he had in a couple of earlier games, life will be really sweet.

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

You guys just outmanned us.

Made us look like children playing with men. Mizzou HAS to get tougher, or teams like your Wildcats will just push us around all year. Congrats, you guys had your way with us.

by CapnCribbs on Jan 8, 2012 11:16 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks

Seems to be going around. I’m sure you guys will bounce back in your next one.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe

ISU is flying high right now. And it’s in Hilton Magic Coliseum.

Gonna be fascinating game, that’s for sure.

by BracketCat on Jan 8, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

The little I was able to watch the ISU/a&m game ...

was very interesting. The longer the season goes, the more dangerous ISU gets. Working out the chemistry. They have some dangerous pieces. They are not the team that played in the non-conference. Much better. I think they look like the best of the non-contenders … that is, 5th. And they’ll probably be the key factor in deciding who wins the Big12 (more aptly, who loses it).

by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 8, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

signs bracket up for KU Sports Info email list.....

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

That would just be funny.

But now he knows where it came from…

…or does he?

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately paybacks happen.

Plus I want good karma so Bracket shows me how to get color in my fanposts since that always fails for me.

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

at least I didn't say aTm sports mailing list.

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Real cruel joke would be TexasAgs mailing list.

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

must check more than pan

Better double check september out box to make sure I got that right…

"Nor yet in Dell?"

by GTcat on Jan 8, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Fact check, Aisle 9...

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I have no idea ...

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not seeing that we have.

Spun through the season W/L logs, and saw only a handful of times we’ve every played Top 10 teams back to back, and most we actually lost both.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Try 85-90, playing OU and KU and MU.

Those would be my guesses as to when it might have happened.

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I see:

07/08 – Texas (5) and KU (6) – both L
01/02 – Ok St (9) W and KU (2) L
89/90 – KU (2) and MU (3) – both L
88/89 – OU (1) and MU (5) – both L

Don’t see any back-to-back Top 10 games before that.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

It's only a vague memory,

but a few years back—maybe even in the Huggins year?—didn’t the Cats beat a top (or close) ranked Texas and then another very highly ranked team a game or two later? Very likely not back to back, though.

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by MrHappyMushroom on Jan 8, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't mean to steer this in a different direction...

…but I think I’m setting the O/U in games Nebraska breaks 60 points in Big 10 play at…umm…1.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 12:21 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Meanwhile, Colorado is in first place in the Pac-12

They also won a conference game 73-33. What a terrible, terrible league.

(Yes, I’m aware CU beat KSU 3 out of 3 times last season)

by Ahearn Alley on Jan 8, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm glad we won yesterday, looking at defense stats from football is not an upper.

And I’ve just started.

Someone might want to check on me every once is awhile to make sure I’ve not gone suicidal.

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 12:44 PM CST reply actions  

which is too bad b/c i thought overall they were pretty solid

Other thaan the late 4th qtr runs they gave up and the 1 play where a brown was left covering a wr ending in atd

"Nor yet in Dell?"

by GTcat on Jan 8, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he's talking about the whole season

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by Sean T on Jan 8, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't watch much of the game yesterday, but re-watching it now I'm impressed with Will's D on Denmon

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by Sean T on Jan 8, 2012 2:30 PM CST reply actions  

Wisc only scored 38 before Michigan put in players for garbage time.

MI still won big.

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 8, 2012 2:30 PM CST reply actions  

Pretty baffling stretch for Wisconsin right now.

Playing like an NIT team. Maybe Jordan Taylor will have to go all Pullen on them and put the team on his back.

by yeahboozin on Jan 8, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

If Wisconsin doesn't make the tourney this year,

I will be very happy. Mainly because it would drastically reduce the possibility of us having to play them in the second round.

by No Moths on Jan 8, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Xavier is still out there.

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by Catbacker98 on Jan 8, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it'd take a lot for them to fall out.

It’s a pretty weak year across the board. The Pac 12 is looking like a one team conference. If the Cats can have even a solid league record (11-7 or better), I think we’re looking at worst a 5 seed. Too early to worry, but just feels that way to me.

by yeahboozin on Jan 8, 2012 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

You exactly what that is -

"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain

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by Sean T on Jan 9, 2012 8:00 AM CST up reply actions  

But are you ginger?

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 9, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Well since ginger is still technically white

he can get away with it…
but no, he’s not ginger

by jtarkman on Jan 9, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Watch it.

The Irish Mob is watching you.

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by BlackCats on Jan 9, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I was floored how bad Wisky played.

I mean, that was a legit 41 points. They didn’t just shoot the ball that poorly – they were truly only good for 41. This team is absolutely nowhere near the team we lost to last year with Jon Leuer gone. No credible inside threat.

Michigan could have won this game by more if they had tried to speed the tempo up in the second half. They did their share of taking the air out of the ball, and I’m not quite sure why.

Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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by TheBigE on Jan 8, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Because that's Big Ten basketball, yo.

Nubbie should feel right at home. They’re all afraid to run.

by BracketCat on Jan 9, 2012 2:36 AM CST up reply actions  

glad on yesterday's win as it likely insures us a winning record

In the history books vs mizzou as we now have a 2 game lead on ’em in the overall series…118-116. Although this assumption relies on not playing the tigers in the conf or NCAA tourney, which might not hold up.

"Nor yet in Dell?"

by GTcat on Jan 8, 2012 6:41 PM CST reply actions  

Very good write-up ...

Only a couple of additional comments.

McGruder: MU can’t handle him. Just has no one to possibly match up with his physicality, height, and athletic ability. Which is why we had him mercilessly taking it to the rack. Could easily guard English whenever KSU wants to go really small. But why would they, because …

JamSam: Again, a poison pill for MU. While Kim English always has a challenge guarding any other team’s 4, usually he presents a bad matchup the other direction. Not so for KSU because JamSam can guard him. And English has no recourse other than flopping on defense to stop JamSam. Also, good luck keeping JamSam off the offensive boards, Kimmy.

Spradling: Great game from him. If there was one player on the team that might struggle against MU, I would think it would be Spradling. But he stayed with Denmon. Very impressive. And knocked down big shots early.

Irving: Another player made to play MU. Too physical for MU guards, but quick enough to stay in front of them consistently. MU guards bounce off of him when he’s on offense.

Southwell: Yet another problem for MU. Long, athletic … can guard 1-4 spots of MU easily. On offense, too long to defend as long as he’s not careless with the ball.

Angel: We need him to get over this little funk soon, because there will be games we need his creativity and ball-handling. And balls.

Gip: MU is tailor-made for Gip to dominate. They just flat can’t handle anyone like him. They can’t handle JO either, but Gip is even better on offense against overmatched frontcourts than JO is.

If there is one league title contender that KSU is built to possibly beat on the road, it’s MU. Not predicting it, but there is no basketball reason for it not to happen.

by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 8, 2012 6:45 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Pay it forward

That’s great.

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by Sean T on Jan 9, 2012 8:01 AM CST up reply actions  

God I hope someone never does it to me

I couldn’t afford to pay shit forward.

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by MeatGeek on Jan 9, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Lame lame lame

Too much time spent on judging your meat, not enough time earning monies. Weak.

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by Sean T on Jan 9, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Sweet!

That’s the kind of KSU story I like to hear!

aka - Hell Dancing
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 9, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

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