Oklahoma State Preview: Is Frank's Way Still Working?
Before I get started with today's post, I'd like to apologize for jinxing the ‘Cats before last Saturday's disaster against Oklahoma. I felt bad about that and knew I couldn't write a Texas preview without mentioning the streak, so I just decided to skip that one.
For a preview of an easy a challenging .......road game against fellow 2-3 opponents Oklahoma State, click the jump.
By the way, did anyone else feel less nervous than they should have down the stretch because it was against Texas, or was that just me? The free throw shooting was atrocious and it ended up feeling like a loss, but it's starting to become sort of hard to remember what a loss to Texas in a revenue sport even feels like.
Unfortunately, one thing that's become harder and harder to forget is a certain familiar trend in the way Frank Martin handles his lineups and rotation. It's been talked about a fair amount here, but I feel like it needs to be brought to the forefront.
Most teams, by this point in the season, have a fairly solid starting lineup and then at least 2 or 3 guys that are depended on consistently off the bench. Frank has never seemed to subscribe to that philosophy, and doesn't really seem to solidify his lineup and rotation until late January, at the earliest.
Rodney McGruder (who has become the stud we all were hoping for and them some of late), Will Spradling, and Jamar Samuels are the only guys that have started all five games so far, though Thomas Gipson will obviously become a permanent fixture in the lineup if JO does not return.*
Will, Rodney and Jamar are also the only players on the team that have seen at least 16 minutes of action every game in Big 12 play. That's not a lot, and I can't imagine that's good for team chemistry.
*I've seen "indefinitely suspended" turn into "dismissed" too often to not be a little nervous here, but hopefully he didn't do anything too terrible and JO and Frank can work out whatever disagreements they're having. Without going into too much detail, I will assure you from personal experience that I don't have a lot of faith in JO's ability to make intelligent decisions off the basketball court, but that's probably not an earth-shattering revelation.
I was going to try to extrapolate some trends from the data and while that could be productive, so instead of doing that, I'll just present the data for playing time from K-State's other nine players in the first five conference games.
Of course, there are some external factors, such as garbage time vs. MU/KU, and the Nino Williams/JO/Angel situations, whatever those are.
| Player | @KU | vs.MU | vs.BU | @OU | vs.UT |
| Gipson | 16 | 12 | 22 | 15 | 16 |
| Irving | 26 | 25 | 24 | 15 | 22 |
| Southwell | 9 | 25 | 9 | 30 | 11 |
| Williams | 12 | 4 | 0 | 15 | 0 |
| Rodriguez | 10 | 19 | 12 | 0 | 15 |
| Diaz | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 8 |
| Henriquez | 21 | 26 | 27 | 8 | 8 |
| Jones | 4 | 3 | 4 | 14 | 9 |
| Ojeleye | 0 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 19 |
Still, it really seems like there's too much variation to expect this team to really develop any kind of consistency. What the hell was Victor Ojeleye doing getting 19 minutes vs. Texas? In case you were wondering, he had 2 points, 5 rebounds, and 2 turnovers.
The results of these wild fluctuations in the lineups aren't hard to see on the court (or in Frank's early conference season history), as K-State can go on an 11-0 run then give up a 19-2 run in the same half, as it did in the first 20 minutes against Texas when Frank went 12 deep.
Certainly benching a player when he makes a mistake or has a bad practice can be a valuable teaching tool at times, but it's getting out of control and I can't imagine all of the players are enjoying the system, either.
To look at an example on the opposite end of the spectrum, Missouri has seven scholarship players and is the #5 team in the country.
The Tigers' talent level isn't that much above Kansas State's, and they have some glaring weaknesses (Kim English can't guard a quality 4-man) but you don't need to be a basketball genius to realize the value of how well they play together.
I don't know everything that happens in practices, and as long as Frank continues to meet or exceed expectations in March, it's hard to complain too much. Plus, it's easy to forget now, but this team has still probably exceeded most people's expectations so far, especially when you factor in nonconference.
Still, the repeated miscommunication and inconsistent play that seem to stem from the constant mixing and matching of lineups can be really frustrating to watch.
Oklahoma State's last three results are quite confusing. The Cowboys struggled to knock off Oklahoma in Stillwater, got absolutely obliterated at Baylor, then might have won at Iowa State if not for a bank error in the Cyclones' favor that completed an improbable late rally.
Basically, even though Gallagher-Iba may be eerily empty on Saturday, this is not a team K-State can afford to take lightly. Oh by the way, the ‘Cats haven't won in Stillwater since Dana Altman's team prevailed 75-62 in overtime in 1993. Yikes.
Even though he hasn't really lived up to the hype, the Cowboys' best player is freshman Le'Bryan Nash, a freakishly athletic wing player and is one of the most inconsistent players in the country. He has had his struggles shooting the basketball, but will kill you if you let him get to the rim.
He gets some help inside from Jean-Paul Olukemi, another versatile forward in the mold of Jamar Samuels, making that a really interesting matchup to watch.
Incredibly, though, the Cowboys are led in scoring by that irritating hobbit, Keiton Page, who is playing for his (just off the top of my head) 14th and (supposedly) final year.
K-State has shown in the past that he can be stopped and even flustered with constant high-pressure defense, but if you underestimate him for even a moment, he can be tricky. Just like Bilbo.
Hopefully Rod's remarkably improved floater game won't be deterred by Philip Jurick, the 6-11 reserve who is 4th in the Big 12 in blocked shots. Rod likely will be facing Markel Brown, one of the best perimeter defenders in the league.
In fact, Oklahoma State's defense has been rather stifling this season, holding conference opponents to less than 41-percent shooting (2nd to only KU), so K-State must prepare for a battle. Winning the rebounding battle would be nice as well, but we learned in Norman that doesn't help so much if you aren't making shots.
Rodney has been the undeniable leader of this team so far, and road games are generally where leadership is needed the most. It would help a lot to avoid an awful start like the one we saw last Saturday, since K-State should still be the favorite in this one and doesn't want to let OSU gain any kind of confidence.
I wish I could tell you what to expect with any sort of certainty, but really, I have absolutely no idea. All I know is if K-State lays another egg Saturday afternoon, Frank's critics are going to start getting louder.
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Have any of the players challenged each other
In a game this season – meaning needing to get in their teammates face? I can’t recall seeing that happen.
I still feel there is a lack of leadership on-court. McGruder has been finding his shot of late, but I wouldn’t say he is leading the team. And I don’t sense the team is expecting him to, or pushing in that direction.
Whether its substitution patterns or youth or something else, this group of players hasn’t gelled yet. This is very much a transition season from the Pullen-lead teams to someone else. This team hasn’t found an identity.
By forced attrition, the bench has now shortened. We’ll see if that changes how HCFM subs his players or if O. Lawrence starts racking up minutes.
McGruder totally broke up a brewing argument between Rodriguez and Martin during the Texas game.
And he also ran every timeout in the second half at Oklahoma. This team has problems, but don’t look at Rodney when trying to identify them.
Olukemi
Is out for the season with a torn ACL. Happened a few weeks ago, IIRC. So, there is that.
by gw1754 on Jan 20, 2012 9:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Victory has many fathers, defeat is an orphan
I don’t think there is enough money in the world for me to coach a college sport. My observation is that everyone is a Frank Martin fan when he is beating Missouri by a bunch of points but then when the team loses to Oklahoma it becomes Frank Martin is not perfect and needs to change.
None of us, that I know of, interact with Coach Martin all that much if at all. All we see is his demeanor on the sideline and what he reveals during interviews. That is a very small part of who he is and how he coaches. The biggest glimpse I’ve seen of his coaching style is when CBS followed the team around with a camera, I didn’t see anything that concerned me then and I don’t see anything now that really concerns me.
Certainly benching a player when he makes a mistake or has a bad practice can be a valuable teaching tool at times, but it’s getting out of control and I can’t imagine all of the players are enjoying the system, either.
Still, the repeated miscommunication and inconsistent play that seem to stem from the constant mixing and matching of lineups can be really frustrating to watch.
You would not have liked playing basketball at my high school in the least. Everyone was expected to know the plays regardless of how much playing time was going to happen for you or who you were playing against. It didn’t matter if you had 4 guards on the court in practice with a single forward or center, you ran the offense. If you couldn’t run the offense, then you didn’t play.
As well you had to want to be there. If you wanted to have a bad attitude, then you would simply not play and in some cases not practice. But by the time you reached high school, everyone wanted to be there and bad attitudes had for the most part been eradicated through fun things like wind sprints in grade school and junior high.
There were a variation in coaching styles as well, and the 2 coaches I had the most respect for had different styles but both could obtain your attention and correct you as needed. But with either one, you listened or you suffered the consequences. And if I remember correctly we had a senior sit for a couple of games because of attitude.
I guess it is humorous that everyone says Coach Martin needs to change even though they don’t know him personally and that they want him to be more midwestern. Maybe if y’all would get to know the man behind the coach you might not have as much criticism about him, but I doubt any of us are going to get to know Coach Martin that well. If I just observed you doing an activity in public, I’m sure you would like to hear from me how you need to change and mature in that activity.
I don’t donate enough money to the athletic department to have a say in the coach, and the last time that did happen at K-State we ended up with a very dry spell in basketball wins. As such, be careful what you wish for it might happen.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
bringonthecats.com, K-State's SBnation blog where I hang out during games.
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 21, 2012 8:58 AM CST reply actions
I appreciate your comments and sentiment and agree with the majority of what you've written.
However! (There’s always a however)
There is no way that you or anyone could deny that Frank’s schizoid pattern of substitution has cost us dearly many times. Double digit leads evaporate. Players who were on fire are suddenly cold as ice and afraid to even catch the ball, let alone do something with it afterward.
I have steadfastly supported Frank and have never, ever suggested that we needed to look elsewhere or that we had a better answer than the coach that was on the spot, but it is now beginning to draw attention far beyond the boundaries of the KSU faithful. If it does that in such a way that it begins to hurt recruiting and begins to bring the program down, then it will be time to go. I don’t know you we can ever begin to see that very clearly at this level, but it will manifest itself in some fashion at some point.
I fully understand your closing comments. But if Frank and his methods become enough of an issue where the major donors are looking at John Currie and saying, “No, I don’t think so” then he’ll have to do something and I’d as soon he does something early on rather than when panic has set in.
It is, in my book, cause for concern when these sort of events happen like clockwork, every year. I’m not ready to say Frank’s an idiot because we all know that’s far fetched, but I do question whether he really thinks his actions all the way through before he pulls the trigger.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
by ArkieCat on Jan 21, 2012 9:29 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Derp. The above should have been a reply to Anon.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
+1 - well said.
oh hail the Purple and White
I agree with this 100%
I’m not advocating that Frank make any sort of drastic changes, only that he makes some small changes in the way he handles the players when they make mistakes, which will happen a lot, since they’re college basketball players. Certainly, I don’t want anyone other than Frank as the head coach right now, and Anon, I would ask you to please go back and read the paragraph just before the second line you quoted.
But still, Frank’s getting paid a large amount of money to coach a basketball team (and represent KSU well, talk to the media, keep his players in check, etc.) at a major university. No one expects him to be perfect, but he’s also not infallible to criticism.
by Ahearn Alley on Jan 21, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
"Just like Bilbo."
Awesome
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
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