K-State Slate: 1.20.12
by TB on Jan 20, 2012 6:46 AM CST
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The big news today is bad news as K-State center Jordan Henriquez has been suspended for "conduct detrimental to the team." Let's hope whatever it is gets straightened out quickly. K-State is entering a stretch of winnable games, but is a much better team with JO playing.
Rodney McGruder is starting to flourish in his role as K-State's primary scorer. He's scored 30 or more points in both his last two home games.
Peter loves covering basketball, and it shows. Check out his recap of K-State's win over Texas, as well as his excellent Texas Basketball Report, with discussion of the best home-court advantages in the country (hint: one located just a few feet south of Bill Snyder Family Stadium).
K-State Football
Clemson has hired Brent Venables as its new defensive coordinator, so K-State will be looking elsewhere, assuming it ever was considering Venables.
Big 12 Football
Charlie Weis dismissed quarterback Brock Berglund from his roster, but KU won't release Berglund from his scholarship.
College Football
If you're unfamiliar with college football recruiting, Spencer Hall has a beginner's guide to help you along.
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JO's suspension sounds like a theme running
I’m sorry but I am beginning to lose confidence in Martin. If he said “f off,” then make him run an extra suicide but don’t suspend him. I think Martin is too much of a marine and not enough of a teacher. I can only imagine how crazy his math classrooms were!
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
We still don't know the actual reason he was suspended
Nor, I doubt, will we ever.
I’m going to say that I believe that if Frank felt the need to suspend JO it was for something more than just a couple bad practices or back-talk. Frank is immature, not insane.
I disagree if this silliness is the reason for the suspension.
As I said in the fan-post about it -
I REALLY hope this is true – I think it’s awesome for a few reasons
1. JO, who’s always struck us as a bit of sissy, finally has the beans to fight back against a guy who sometimes comes off as a bully.
2. Martin finally has someone stand up to him, and I don’t think that’s ever a bad thing.
3. This is the kind of crap that can be taken care of with some self-reflection, a 10 minute meeting, and a pair of good practices.
4. Hopefully JO won’t get pushed around any more.
5. Martin might learn to do more coaching and less screaming.
6. It’s going to be a very funny story for this team.
If this is true, this isn’t the kind of stuff that will expel a solid contributor from the team, and it can be dealt with quickly. Perfect. I’d be much more worried if JO is dicking around in practice or not going to class.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
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My initial thought when I first heard this report
I’d be much more worried if JO is dicking around in practice or not going to class.
was the latter of these. He could have already skipped class, or did something really stupid in class. We know Frank is a teacher and values his guys education, so maybe JO crossed a line there somewhere…
I am all for discipline but getting young persons to respond positively is different now
than it was 30 years ago. Have rules and follow them, and if that’s the case in this, I support Frank. I just get the feeling that he lacks the ability to sit a kid down and let them vent, then explain why the consequence that will be enforced must happen.
I say all this because I grew up with strict parents and worked hard jobs as young as 7, but I’d hesitate to play for Frank after watching and observing him these last few years. We all crave boundaries but being scared and cussed at is never a good feeling.
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What's even more amazing
is how good JO had been at times this season that his absence now looms large over the team.
Here's this thought from
He’s being vague, but only player we’ve heard about recently is JO, so I have to assume that’s who he’s talking about
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Also for me.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 20, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
One guy's opinion with no evidence that this is correct.
Real easy to post something regardless if it is correct or not.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 20, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Gotsta put the weed down.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
One thing that worries me though
is that weed, or a violation of team rules would probably be a certain number of games. Like Jamar this season, we knew would be suspended for 3 games.
This is “indefinite”. Could be zero games, could be the remainder.
That makes me think it is more of a “got to get your attitude correct” type issue. The length of the suspension depends on how JO works to resolve it.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 20, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
Im not sure what point KU is trying to prove with the Berglund situation
it all sounds very petty. They released him from the team…but want to force to pay for him to go to school??? I’m not sure I understand their logic here.
Only exception I could see would be if he insisted on transferring to another Big 12 school, or one KU will be playing in the near future. Based on what I know of the rules and Berglund’s situation, he can transfer without having to sit out since he hasn’t been in school yet this year. Maybe they are just trying to make him sit out another year…which again brings me back to this seeming very petty on KU’s part…
yep, I don 't get it either
I don’t understand what a school gains from not releasing a player. Makes no damn sense to me at all. Petty and pathetic
by IndianaCatFan on Jan 20, 2012 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
APR score related is my guess.
I think KU started cleaning house and Berglund was not on the initial list, so they didn’t factor him into the equation. Then the events in the story happened and KU might be going “uh-oh” on the APR score so they are trying to keep that score up.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 20, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
As a KU fan, I agree it seems petty.
However they are releasing another couple of players from what I understand, so there must be a difference here.
My guess it stems from Berglund holding out on the team. Saying he would show up to meetings and practices throughout the last year and he never did. He does have an appeal coming up in a short time with some committee, so that might change things.
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
True
but with that logic I would want him gone as quickly as possible, to get rid of any “cancer” he might bring.
We’ll just have to wait and see, but ultimately is going to look bad on KU, just like the BBall at UAB made St. Johns look bad…right or wrong
Definitely agree with you
None of the bad press seems worth whatever KU is trying to prove in this case.
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
Or how it made Dooley and Tennessee look bad with Bryce Brown...
errr, maybe not.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 20, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Dooley is still definitely a dick about players who want to transfer though.
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by MeatGeek on Jan 20, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
About Victor
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/011912aab.html – just like Hrebec, he seems like a great guy, and I’m glad he’s on the team, but there’s something wrong when he’s getting big minutes.
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I don't have any problem with the athletes per se.
But not sure about some of the minutes played at times. Guess that is why I’m not coaching a D1 sport, or high school for that matter.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 20, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Bill Self is ticked at the KU students
and I don’t blame him, as I get pissed at our students for doing the same damn thing.
We aren’t in Arrowhead, we aren’t even in KC. Its the National Anthem, sing it/play it right or just don’t do it…don’t be disrespectful to your country! #USA #EMAWrica
Amen.
I don’t even like it at Chief’s games. It seems stupid to me.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 20, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
At least at Chiefs' games, the people doing it ARE, in fact, in the "home of the Chiefs."
I agree with you, though, it’s pretty stupid.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 20, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
I tried to post something to facebook while I was at the Texas game.
I totally agree. First off, it is our national anthem, so you shouldn’t be substituting anything for “the brave”. But IF you are going to be a tool and substitute something, and are singing in Bramlage, at least say “the Cats”. Saying “the Chiefs” actually makes me wonder if you don’t know the real words and actually think “the Chiefs” is correct.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 20, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Loved this finally getting some press...
I’m not typically the curmudgeon about stuff students do, but this drives me crazy. I disagree with it at Arrowhead, but it at least makes sense there. Nowehere else though.
by hiphopopotamus on Jan 20, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
I still can't stop myself from singing "home of the...Cats."
Depends on how vulgar and loud you are I guess. I don’t think anyone is trying to diss the anthem or their country by it lol. I’d never heard “Chiefs” before but really? That’s offensive? I thought I was old school and I just don’t see it.
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It started with the Chiefs.
But to me, that is just as disrespectful as if you changed the words to our alma mater to say “A-R-C” instead of “K-S-U” or something.
It is our national anthem, we sing it to honor our country, not the Chiefs (or Cats).
Don’t take this to be me hating on you or anything, I just vehemently disagree with you position.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 20, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
To me its disrespectful to purposely change the National Anthem
I don’t even like it when people (like pop singers) take really wide interpretations of the thing. You don’t hear that in other countries, even in places where they are free to express themselves (Canada comes to mind).
You don’t have to find it offensive, but I would hope you least find it out of taste. It doesn’t belong outside of Arrowhead, let alone KC. If you want to sing “Home of the Cats” I won’t be mad at you for it, that’s part of your right to free speech, but I may shake my head and give you a dirty look.
The Jimi Hendrix rendition of the Star Spangled Banner is one of the most awful things ever called music
It sounds like someone lit cats on fire and then record their shrieks and yowling.
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I actually like that version.
I draw a line between musical interpretation and actual changing of the words.
One is about expressing your interpretation of the song and the other is just changing the meaning.
And before anyone says Jimi was trying to show disrespect to the US, remember that he not only actually fought in Vietnam, but was a vocal supporter or our efforts over their.
A USA hater he was not.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
I dont think Sean was saying Jimi was being disrepectful
or trying to hate on America…just that he really didn’t like his version of the Banner.
Like I said above, I said I don’t like the “musical interpretation” not that it’s wrong. In this country, you are guaranteed the right to express yourself and I completely respect and support that. You want to hold that high note for 5 minutes, do it, doesnt mean I have to like it or like you for it.
For me it comes down to intent.
I respect some musical interpretations and not others.
If I think you are just trying to show off or ‘make a splash’ then I likely won’t respect it.
If you are honestly trying to express yourself, then I will respect it.
But that all comes down to personal opinion.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 20, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Served in several countries and it doesn't really bother me...
I think it is an intent thing…if your Rosanne Barr being a bity with a demeaning intent, then go to hell. If your putting a clever twist on an honored tradition showing repsect for your country and team, so be it.
If your just copying something then come up with your own clever idea – if its good it will stick.
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by mac attack ict on Jan 20, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
But what's clever about it?
How is screaming “CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!” at the end of the National Anthem clever?
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 20, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
Well,
They aren’t just screaming “CHIEEEEFS” at the end of the anthem (as in after the complete anthem is over).
They are saying “the land of the free, and the home of the [insert team here]”
It IS kind of clever. I used to say “Cats” when I was a student. I’ve grown up a bit since then and now say “brave”.
But there is absolutely NOTHING clever about saying “Chiefs” when you are not in Arrowhead. That is downright stupid. Like I said above, it makes you wonder if those saying “Chiefs”, regardless of venue, actually know the real words.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 20, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
I just feel people are getting to easily offended now
I grew up in KC going to chiefs games so it’s just how your raised. I still say Chiefs and i probably always will. I clearly know all the words to our national anthem and am not trying to “disrespect” it by saying chiefs at the end. I know i’m the minority in this but i don’t feel like it’s a big deal.
It's not.
I agree people are getting too offended.
Like I said, if I was at Arrowhead, I would not be getting all worked up about it. I used to say “Cats” when I was attending KSU.
But for someone to say “Chiefs” every time they sing it is a bit much. Because Bramlage, Allen FH, Bill Snyder Family Stadium, Cowboy Stadium, are NOT the home of the Chiefs.
As I said above, when I hear “chiefs” in locations other than Arrowhead, I have to assume the people saying it really have no clue.
Kind of like when I see people flash the “WC” fingers with their left hand. I have to assume they don’t really know what they are flashing, because it only works with your right hand (otherwise it is “backwards C and W”).
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 20, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
Most of us on RCT feel the same way
I think a lot of KU fans just yell it because everyone else yells it and they want to feel like they are part of a tradition. It is stupid, and to me, offensive.
We should unite and take a stand!
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jan 20, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
Does Uniting and taking a stand mean beating some whole sale ass?
At football games and once or twice at basketball games when I wasn’t quite too sober, I have come very close to blows over the whole “Chiefs” thing. Sigh drunk me just likes to fight so much.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
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Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
One of your main guys at RCT is quite a singer, and actually requested KU fans not to say that at the end of the song
And they ignored.
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Correct.
Getting a large group of people to not be idiots is hard.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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"...home of the Chiefs!"
“BOOOOOOOOOOO!”
“Over-rated! Over-rated!”
“Left! Right! Left! Right!”
The awful OU song that is the only thing their band knows how to play.
And these are just the irritating habits I can remember just off the top of my head. No fan base is immune to it, but man I wish they were.
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I like "Left-Right"
And a “BOOOO” every now and then when appropriate (like a horribly egregious call by n official).
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 23, 2012 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think he was anti-US
But Hendrix was trying to make the anthem sound like a war. Thats why his guitar often makes noises that sound like bombs dropping (when he does the dives with his whammy bar) and people screaming. He was clearly linking the US to the horrors of war, and admitted as much later.
Also, he was discharged from the military I believe. Reasons are mixed, some say he pretended to be gay so they let him go, others claim he actually got injured in a jump (he was a paratrooper). He was only in the army a year or two though, and didn’t fight in vietnam.
Sorry, I just read a really good biography on him so I chimed in. I’m a big guitar player, and love Hendrix.
You are 100% correct though in that he supported the troops and military. Before some of his best-known live recordings, you can here him dedicate songs to troops fighting in vietnam or just troops in general. His live version of “machine gun” with the band of gypsies is a good example of this.
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by Andrew Clark on Jan 20, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
Apropos
But Hendrix was trying to make the anthem sound like a war. Thats why his guitar often makes noises that sound like bombs dropping (when he does the dives with his whammy bar) and people screaming. He was clearly linking the US to the horrors of war, and admitted as much later.
Considering the Star Spangled Banner was written from the deck of a warship involved with the bombardment of the fort controlled by the rebellious colonists, highly appropriate.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 20, 2012 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
yeah.
the rockets red glare…bombs bursting in air
Ft McHenry.
Were we still considered “rebellious colonists” in the war of 1812?
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 20, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
That's what i was wondering
I suppose we probably were, though. The Brits thought their defeat in 1776 was a big fluke and probably still thought of us as a little brother country.
If we were still considered rebellious colonists by 1812...
Then after that war is when we became Americuhns!
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
No, we were independent at that time
and more of a pesky, irritant step-child to the British. And while our forces were busy defending Fort McHenry from the British Navy, a British Army amphibious force was busy marching on Washington and burning the White House and everything else to the ground.
JTark and Smitty both hit accurately on some of the common perceptions,, but the truth is we were far more of an afterthought to the British (who were busy battling Napoleon). In fact, having written a term paper on the British popular perspective on the War of 1812 in college, the truth is that most British didn’t even realize it was going on at the time.
by CT-K-Stater on Jan 21, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
They mostly just hired German mercenaries to do the fighting anyway, didn't they?
That’d explain why most Brits weren’t very aware of it.
No I think that was just the War of Independence
But I could be wrong.
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You're right
It was the Revolution where the crown went out and hired mercenaries from German duchies/principalities. The British Army was never very large and often lacked substantial manpower, so good old King George used Hessians to supplement his forces. They earned quite the reputation for brutality, too.
The French were a major contributor to help us win the war of 1812...
and firmly cementing our Independence. We were a free country and this was the first incursion as a nation we endured.
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What? How? Napoleon was glad to have someone else pissing off the Brits, but they didn't do anything else.
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I think you mean the French
helped us during the Revolution. Not the War of 1812.
by CT-K-Stater on Jan 22, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
Well, we did get the Louisiana purchase out of those wars, from France, at a bargain price.
But, yeah, that doesn’t really help you win a war…
And it was more us helping France out than vice-versa.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 23, 2012 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
We got the Louisiana Purchase in 1803
right around the time relations between France and the U.S. were emerging from quite the rough patch.
But you’re right: by forcing troop commitments onto the Canadian and North American theater due to the war with America the British didn’t have as many reserves in Europe to combat Napoleon as they might have wished.
Well, that was all part of the same war, we just weren't involved yet.
But, yeah, if you want to be a stickler with the dates…
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 23, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't know that about his military history, thanks for the info. The more you know, right?
But I did know that he was trying to make it sound like war. I was just trying to preempt anyone who might think he was un-patriotic or something. I’ve heard that term used quite often in regards to Hendricks and just wanted to shoot it down early.
But I’m pretty sure that he easily could have avoided service all together, right? As in, he consciously chose to join the military because he believed in the cause, regardless of how he eventually left the military. I would like to know if I’m right or wrong in this.
But yeah, as long as you are using legitimate artistic expression, I don’t have a problem with it, and that is what Hendrix was doing. I also think it sounds amazing.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 22, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
So we haven't won in Stillwater since '94 I think?
The last two trips down there left me scratching my head in terms of officiating. Other than shoot the lights out, how can we pull off this win tomorrow?
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Play defense, particularly on the little white bitch
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Me too...why is this? Why do I dislike that little bastard so much?
Also, hasn’t he been there playing for like 9 years now? Really? Just move along buddy, just move along…
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by mac attack ict on Jan 20, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Yes he's been there forever
and looks totally unathletic and like a whiny bitch, but somehow makes shots. If he makes a bunch of threes I’m going to be pissed. I’d rather have Jamar cleverly take his legs out and injure him. I know that sounds bad but I can’t stand to look at him.
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He reminds me of a player that the team I coach played against a little while back.
The kid was all of 5’6" and weighed about 250 pounds. But he can shoot the three like crazy. He can’t take it to the basket or anything, but he can shoot. I tried to tell my guys that, and that if we would just close out on him when he caught the ball that he wouldn’t be a threat. But no, the guys had to see him nail three straight to cut our 18-5 lead to 18-14 before they would respect him enough to actually chase him off the 3-point line.
Granted, Page isn’t THAT extreme, but that’s who I thought of when I was reading through these comments.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 20, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
It's because he looks like a damn mouse...
And has a face that you want to punch… Or is that just me?
That to me, is the only reason I have a bit of admiration for him.
He doesn’t look like an athlete or a BB player, but still makes a difference when he plays. You do have to admire the dedication someone puts in to practice to elevate what is essentially their only true skill to a point where they can’t afford to keep him off the floor.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
Not really.
I do when he gets whinnie and especially when he gets hot when we play them, but most of the time, I just like to see it when he grabs the ball, shoots a falling sideways 24 foot bomb that sees nothing but net. The kid takes a lot of falls and hits and gets back up too, so I kind of admire that.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
He doesn't bother me and I like to watch him play, good fundamentals.
I don’t like him making shots against the Cats but good defense would solve that problem.
Guess y’all are surprising me with the hatred (not ArkieCat).
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 20, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
I like this opinion Arkie
K-State fans seem to really hate him because he can and has made big shots vs us. But the guy isn’t just some little bitch or something. Funny story, a guy I went to school with at Coffeyville played with Keaton for several years in youth b-ball and junior high and he likes the guy. This friend is usually a good judge of character.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
Rob Cassidey said on his twitter account
that the last time K-State won in Stillwater was in January 1993. That jumped out at me considering I was a student at K-State then – that’s when I know its been a long time.
by CT-K-Stater on Jan 20, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not scared...
I was 5 that January and about to spend a large amount of time at the KU Med Center in KC.
OFF. THE. LAWN. NOW.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 20, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Give it to him, Anon
We senior citizens have to keep the young ’uns in line.
by CT-K-Stater on Jan 20, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Im not done burning vague symbols in the grass yet!!
Back off old man! Don’t want you breaking a hip over nothing!!!
You're telling ME this???
Like I didn’t know already… : )
by CT-K-Stater on Jan 20, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, yeah
I remember Ski, and Vincent Jackson, Daryl Cunningham and Anthony Beane. Actually was in a botany class where I sat between Beane and VJ. Good guys.
by CT-K-Stater on Jan 20, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Oh the irony of this
God I hate science
by jtarkman on Jan 20, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
HA!
Asian girl white guy pumps inside the journalist.
by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 20, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
I had her twice
for two separate courses in botany. She was always fair with me. The KSU administration offices at that time, however, we’re a clusterfu@k and right as I was about to graduate told me they had suddenly discovered a discrepancy and I needed to take a final class…so after walking through graduation I took the second botany course over the summer to fulfill my last requirement. This was just one of about four clerical errors they made with me my final year there which made me wonder if the left hand knew what the right was doing. Idiots.
by CT-K-Stater on Jan 21, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Was that the year he scored eleventy billion points in the NIT game?
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Dude threw it up from anywhere on the floor and it went in...never saw anything like that.
I think it was a joke for the rest of the team at some point – they would toss it out to him anywhere and he would let it fly…money.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Jan 20, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
No, that was the following season
in ’93 they made the NCAA tourney and lost in the first round to Tulane when Ski dribbled the ball off his knee and out of bounds in the final seconds of the game as K-State was running out the clock.
by CT-K-Stater on Jan 20, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
It was 1994 - NIT quarterfinals I think.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Jan 20, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
The man Could. Not. Miss.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Jan 20, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
Certainly not that night
Otherwise he could be a streaky player…
Don't let Page take any open shots. Get into Nash's shirt all game.
Do not let that team compete with us on the boards.
Other than Page and Nash, that team sucks. If we can’t beat this team on the road, we’re officially a shitty road team and Tech would likely be our only good shot at a conference road win. Not saying we couldn’t win at a&m, just saying I wouldn’t have any reason to expect it (again, if we can’t beat this OSU team on the road).
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
the problem may be if the refs call any touch on Page who NEVER misses a free throw
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
Then punch the little jerk in the face and make it count.
Still don’t know why that guy pisses me off…its like his existence is my Kryptonite…maybe he is from Bizarro World and there short, slow, annoying white guys are basketball studs.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Jan 20, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
No joke
I was really wondering if last year’s team could have used his thuggishness, and this year’s team could use it too.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
BOYCOTT ESPN!
LC would be the perfect answer.
I can see Louis on the perimeter guarding Paige – first pass to him and BANG. Paige down. Second pass BANG. Down again. Rince and repeat 5 times.
He would be a mess for the rest of the game.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Jan 20, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
LC
Was the perfect thug that you could send out to give hard fouls. Because really what else does he provide to a team but loud grunts and playing chaotically?
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
Its a role on a team that needs to be filled...not a scholly role, but a role.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Jan 23, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Team report
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=teamreports-2012-ncaab-kab
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
BOYCOTT ESPN!
I'm gonna go ahead and re-post this because none of you caught it yesterday
Tim Tibesar has been named the DC at Purdue.
And I feel bad for the guys over at Hammer & Rails, who generally see this as a good hire.
Please, is there any way we can get Purdue on the schedule in the next year or two???
I was wondering that, too.
The lack of coverage from Cosh leaving strikes me as weird. No articles on it, positive or negative. No questions about replacements. Very strange for a coaching turnover situation, especially coming off a 10-3 campaign which saw the defense play better than in recent memory.
Yes, this has left me wondering as well...
by CT-K-Stater on Jan 20, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
He's even still up on the coaches page
over at K-StateSports.com.
This is a really strange situation I find us in. So much for transparency!
I was thinking more like an unnamed government agency.
Some days I wonder if K-State really has football.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
bringonthecats.com, K-State's SBnation blog where I hang out during games.
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 20, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
We all know this is the way Snyder likes it
by CT-K-Stater on Jan 20, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Who?
We will neither confirm nor deny whether a football genius by this name exists.
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I know, it doesn’t really bother me especially when you see how ‘concerned’ people get with the news from their football programs. I enjoy rooting for the Cats.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
bringonthecats.com, K-State's SBnation blog where I hang out during games.
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 20, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
I really don't mind Bill keeping lips sealed when it comes to
his players, strategies, stuff like that. But this is personnell, something the AD should have a little more control over. Cosh is still an employee of a public institution, and we as alums/donors/fans should be allowed to know what’s going on.
Why?
Are you on a committee responsible for hiring the next DC? Then it really doesn’t matter, except you are curious and want that curiosity satisfied.
Since I have no control over, or for that matter input to the process, I don’t expect anything until it happens.
The USF press release is good enough for me, at this point.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
bringonthecats.com, K-State's SBnation blog where I hang out during games.
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 20, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I'm just upset on principle
with no other real need to be so.
I am also fine with just having the USF release, I am just wondering why we haven’t seen anything official on this end.
That was supposed to be the "new thing" with this administration vs. the last one
contracts were public record, anyone could see what was going on inside the department, etc.
Now, we can’t even get our own guys to confirm that Cosh has left, even though So. Florida and Skip Holtz say he is already there.
It is really starting to bother me…
Does the power of Bill trump The Currie and Prez Schulz
in this instance? Makes one wonder.
by CT-K-Stater on Jan 20, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
As far as an official release and such goes
Snyder never does anything until a replacement is hired. I would expect Cosh to remain on the page and all until we officially announce the person hired to take his place on the staff.
Whoops!
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
by BlackCats on Jan 20, 2012 11:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm glad I was young when I was young
and now sitting around at home getting toasted is just fine.
oh hail the Purple and White
by Furnace76 on Jan 20, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And once again, the other old man rec's this.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
Keiton Page makes me think of an Ewok
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
by mjk7166 on Jan 20, 2012 2:43 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
FIFY
Keiton Pagemakes me think ofis an Ewok
Also, a rec for you.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 20, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
I think more of Alvin from Alvin and the chipmunks
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jan 20, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
So Curtis Kitchen
gives us a decent explanation for what ails JO.
His sources I trust more than some others who have been speculating
I don't blame JO one bit for being angry.
It’s nearly impossible to develop any type of team chemistry or individual “rhythm” when you don’t have any idea how much you’re going to play from game to game. What other top coach in America has such schizoid sub patterns?
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 20, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
I have to say, without knowing specifics, I'm king of with JO on this one.
If Frank wants him to provide better minutes, he needs to give them more minutes. JO depends very much on having a rhythm, but he’s only been allowed to get into that rhythm a couple of times.
Now, coaching high school basketball, you see coaches do this kind of thing more often.
It’s still not terribly effective, but I’ve just seen a lot more schizo sub patterns from high school coaches than from college coaches.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 20, 2012 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
Penn State D-Coordinator?
Yes do want. I don’t care about any bad press he has from the scandal at Penn State because as far as we know, he wasn’t involved with that. He’s about 55 though, so I guess he’s young enough to have a few years still left to coach when Snyder leaves.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
I also agree with this sentiment
I mentioned it a while back when Bill O’Brien was named HC at Penn State
I'll echo a lot of ya'lls comments about this
I love Frank Martin, but it seems like he’s starting to turn into Deb Patterson what with the running players off that Deb does. I don’t like that at all.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
She runs off one or two
but gets fierce loyalty from the others. See: Shalee Lehning, Marles Gibson, Danille Zanotti, Shalin Spani. All are now assistants or in some way part of the program.
Not all of her former players that made it all four years give her "fierce loyalty" though.
Not looking for a scrum, I’m just saying…
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 20, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
I've heard Kendra is willing to come back to visit now.
Not always been the case.
Asian girl white guy pumps inside the journalist.
by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 20, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
No, it has not.
That was not a good situation at all.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 20, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Kendra had a crush on me in high school
I would never date a girl that could beat me in basketball :)
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
Kendra "Ffing" Wecker had a crush on you?
Or do you mean that she wanted to throw a javelin into your throat? But seriously, I would have snapped up Kendra in a heart beat if I had a chance.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
FOOL
By the way is it true that in high school she was flown from the State Track Meet to the Softball State Championship so she could do both?
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
I'm not totally sure myself
but I know there was a huge falling out between Kendra and Deb, and Kendra pretty much said she would never come back to KSU (for like jersey retirement ceremony or things like that).
I guess Currie has kind of helped to mediate a little bit.
I was hearing this from someone who works in Athletics Facilities.
Asian girl white guy pumps inside the journalist.
by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 21, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
I do understand
and I realized that too. I just meant she does manage to get some of those girls to really buy in.
Notice though, that all girls are 05 class or later…
(I started school with Lehning, Gipson, and Zanotti)
I would reply to that..
But it would get spidery pretty quickly and I’d like not to head down that road.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
Seriously you win the most disturbing profile pic, I have mild anxiety attacks every time I see it
by EMAW 4 Ever (iphone) on Jan 20, 2012 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Are you waving your white "power towel" in surrender?
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Jan 20, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
"Cool Story Bro"
“Haters gonna hate…”
“This better?”
“Your welcome from your ever faithful, once and future King, Ron Prince”
“Remember the 3 R’s my friends…1. Ruin Texas’s season 2. Renegotiate your buyout 3. RonP4Everything”
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
by MeatGeek on Jan 21, 2012 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL!
Asian girl white guy pumps inside the journalist.
by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 21, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
I'm somewhat disappointed I only got one rec for this.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
Well at least your a good person
If not rec’d for the creative or genius, it should be rec’d for the few minutes work it took to find those pictures.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
I'm kind of like you.
For some reason I just absolutely love the Prince meme that has taken hold.
My sig needs updated.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 23, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry for the length
But I felt EMAW 4 Ever has not been trolled nearly enough. :)
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
Where is RP running down the sideline during the Texas win?
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Jan 21, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
I couldn't find a quality picture
I wanted an animated gif of it, but couldn’t find one.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
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