K-State Slate: 1.19.12
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I'm not sure I'd call it dominance, and the lede about Mexico owning Texas was pretty ballsy, but K-State did continue its winning ways over Texas with an 84-80 win in Manhattan last night.
Only four days after being benched against Oklahoma, Angel Rodriguez made his first career start against Texas. Victor Ojeleye also played 19 minutes. Jordan Henriquez played eight.
We got an explanation for why Nino Williams didn't play. I'm still waiting to hear what's wrong with Henriquez.
K-State Football
K-State is looking for a new defensive coordinator officially now, because USF has announced Chris Cosh as its new DC. Hope you like base defense, Bulls.
Big 12 Basketball
Iowa State got a home win over Oklahoma State last night when Scott Christopherson banked in a long three at the buzzer.
College Football
Spencer has his Dos and Don'ts for the 2012 college football season, with a couple K-State mentions.
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I'm debating
Whether to thanks USF or offer my condolances.
Snyder doesn’t fire anyone, but He makes sure you land on your feet. You know he asked Chris if there was anywhere other than KSU he’d like to coach. I don’t care what the connections are down there, B12 DC to USF DC is a demotion.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
by BlackCats on Jan 19, 2012 8:04 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Thank 'em.
As long as they understand no take-backs.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 19, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions
Put them on your Christmas list for next year...
Send something nice…no fruitcake.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Jan 19, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Yea the more I think about it
We never wanted him. He’s not Kstate work ethic. I doubt he has much success as a head coach unless they can recruit top 10.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
The bottome line is this rift between Ven and Snyder (or Kstate) must be greater than I ever thought, at this point
if he ever got the HC job, im afraid he would go all Mangini on our building and change the name of the stadium or something stupid.
To be honest I never wanted him to come back at all...nothing specific, just a gut feeling.
At this point in my life I have learned to trust my gut more…my gut told me the coach that shall not be named would be no good but then my brain told me something entirely different when I heard him talk. Stupid brain…good gut.
My gut thinks Leavitt would be grand.
Give me the other options and I will gut them out for you…that’s just the kind of guy I am.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Jan 19, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
I agree about Leavitt
The guy just seems right. I pray for an announcement soon. Sry 49er fans.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
He is just the LB's coach
its not like he’s the D-Coordinator or anything. SanFran has a solid stable of LB’s headlined by All-Pro Patrick Willis…I think they would be fine without Leavitt for their last (two) game(s)…
No chance he leaves before the end of the season
but in my opinion hearing nothing on the home front means the probability is increasing…no other reason to what for an announcement.
My only concern is that I am hearing NOTHING from any contacts – absolutely nothing. I need to get new friends I guess.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Jan 19, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
I was just trying to point out
it could happen with a reason why. I agree with you though, he stays until the Niners season is over.
And yes, it appears anyone with any real knowledge of the situation is being VERY tight-lipped. Probably trying to prevent another Gary Patterson debacle…which would be very nice actually
Agreed on all points.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Jan 19, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
I stopped watching the game when we were up 13
I can’t sleep otherwise. I wake to see we missed 5 free throws at the end to try and give another one away. What frustrates me about this team is they have tons of talent, play in spurts that make us look championship worthy, then can’t fundamentally perform junior high type skills at times. The turnovers vs Baylor and missing free throws last night.
I’ve coached, reffed and played for years but I don’t know the answer to get young guys to play more consistently. If we can see that by years end we will be a force, if not we may not even make the tournament. Right now I’ve been a little frustrated with Martin’s methods but I will gladly bow to him at season’s end if he can get this team to come close to their potential.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
by mjk7166 on Jan 19, 2012 8:10 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
"What frustrates me about this team is they have tons of talent, play in spurts that make us look championship worthy, then can’t fundamentally perform junior high type skills at times."
Amen. This team is so infuriating.
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Repetition
Stop thinking just do.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
by BlackCats on Jan 19, 2012 1:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, poor guy.
Particularly coming off his best game.
The sauce sweeps behind asian girl white guy.
I really think the guy could develop into a solid 3
if he could ever just stay healthy long enough! I don’t have to like the kid personally to feel bad for him…
That is too bad
I was excited to read what he did against OU.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
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Even though it was close, I was pleased with how well the team and Frank performed in this game
The guys played tough all game, against a team that probably has several future NBA players. Texas is a good team, they are just young.
I also liked that Frank started to use his bench. 11 players saw the court in actual game time, though JO didn’t play after half so it was more like 10.5. They limited mistakes, being positive in the A-t-O ratio, and the shot a high percentage from behind the arc (though really only in the first half as they guys were 0-3 in the second). Ojeleye even played well against a guy that looked nearly a foot taller.
Frank went back to more of the “you screw up once and your gone” thing, but the rotation seemed to work alright. I would like to see it settle a little, but it was nice to see some good coaching going on.
And finally, Frank was a lot calmer on the bench. He saved his tirades and explosions for the huddle (mostly)! And generally, IMO, did a better job of coaching than he did in the last two games (and 2 of 3). It was a marked change, and I liked it.
Nice looking unis
may we never see the greys again.
oh hail the Purple and White
I really don't like the greys or blacks
I wish we would just go back to the regular white (home) and purple (road) colors.
Keep it simple like Bill does!
The black uniforms aren't all that bad, but just like the greys, they're hard to read
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I like both the greys and the blacks.
I really don’t see what is so awful about them.
But to each their own.
My sig needs updated.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 19, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
Well, I think the biggest issue most people have with them
is that neither black, nor gray are KSU’s colors.
I guess technically, white isn’t either, as the only “official” color is purple.
But I think the grays look dingy. And they look like the guys are soaking wet before the ball is even tipped.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 19, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
this -
Well, when I was growing up, Purple and White were our colors (hence, my tag line).
oh hail the Purple and White
I would consider our colors to be purple and white
white IS mentioned in Wildcat Victory, after all.
Like I said though, technically, purple is the only official school color.
I know I will catch hell for this among some, but I actually like the two-tone purple uniforms. The lavender tops and dark shorts. Throwbacks. You know, like the powder blues the Chargers wear from time to time.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 19, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Im with you
I really like the “throwback” combo. I think it would actually look good with the new uni’s…
Is white technically a color?
Some say it is the absence of color. I’ve had this discussion, usually late at night in some dorm room with artist types, and usually too far into the weed or the Wild Turkey – hence, my failure to remember how the damn explanation ended.
Screw em – it’s a color form me!
oh hail the Purple and White
White light is every color light combined, so it is "all" the colors.
Whereas true-black light is not really light at all, but the absence of light, and is therefore colorless.
However, white pigment, is the absence of color, because it does not ‘absorb’ light from any of the color spectrum’s, thus reflecting all of them back at you, allowing you to see white.
Black pigment, on the other hand, has all of the color pigments, and therefore ‘absorbs’ all the light, thus appearing as black.
Or something like that.
My sig needs updated.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 19, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
yes, I concur.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 19, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
I concur with the "or something like that" part
still … way too existential for me.
oh hail the Purple and White
White is technically all other spectrum of color combined.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
That's right, for light
It’s a different game with paint, and that’s what Crispy explained.
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I present the following as an example of absence of pigment
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
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by Sean T on Jan 19, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I know it was lame, but I couldn't pass it up
I was going to put a picture of Victor for his antithesis, but I thought that might be in poor taste.
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Sure, but it's not like we only wear the blacks or greys.
I like them as occasional alternates.
Maybe we wear them too much, I won’t argue with that, but I have no fundamental objection to them, and I like the way they look.
My sig needs updated.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 19, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
They aren't just "occasional alternates"
they are a full-time member of the uni rotation. We use white and grey at home, and purple and black on the road. If they were used sparingly, like once or twice a season in special games, it wouldn’t bother me so much. It just bothers me they are regulars
right there with you Chris
Wished we only wore white, purple and black…with black being only occasional (or in a given year it could be the grey jersey for the “special game”).
I won’t get too worked up on whether or not we should wear greys (they’re kind of a non-event for me, don’t love ‘em, don’t hate ‘em) or not, b/c the line of reasoning would then be to say, we can’t wear grey pants for FB. Grey’s been around KSU for awhile folks. Also Bill doesn’t want to dye his hair if grey is out.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Well its a blueish sliver Bill uses for the football pants
In fact, I believe the color is something like Cowboy blue or silver.
I don’t mind a alternate uni necessarily, and grey isn’t a bad choice, but the new ones are really dark and drab. The grey from the last style wasn’t too bad in my mind, it just doesn’t work quite as well on this style with the purple and Nike’s apparent insistence that you can’t outline things in a way that makes them readable…(not saying its true, just saying it looks that way).
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to say we should do away with grey as an alternate or secondary color, just saying the current style of uni doesn’t look good in the grey combo they picked, and I think the use it far too often
Our uniforms and the coyboys uniforms are very similar
by EMAW 4 Ever (iphone) on Jan 19, 2012 12:46 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
There is a very good and calculated reason for that...
As-in Snyder did that on purpose. The Cowboys were (are?) a national brand (especially when he first got here), so who better to copy a look off of than “America’s Team”
KSU football pants are straight silver ...
vs the blue-ish silver of the Cowboys.
But Snyder did purposefully model the KSU look after the Cowboys. Most notably in the way our visitors uniforms traditionally looked in the 90’s.
Just like Snyder’s college head coaching mentor Hayden Fry (sp?) modelled Iowa’s uniforms on the Steelers.
And then Snyder took the iconic style of the hawkeye symbol and applied it to the creation of the powercat symbol.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 19, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
I remember reading that when Snyder came back
and brought back the old pants it was described as the “Cowboy’s Silver”…I’ve been trying to find the article
maybe the helmet, but not the pants.
you can google images and see the distinct difference.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 19, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
FOUND IT
The offical colors of the football uni’s are “New Orchid” (Purple) and “Dallas Blue” (Silver – both helmets and pants)
very interesting ... because the colors of the actual uniforms look absolutely nothing alike.
Good find.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 19, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
I think the sliver looks similar
but between the helmet and pants, biggest difference is the “shiny” part. The helmets are shiny, the pants are not
I agree
At first I thought it might just be the lighting in Cowboys Stadium, then I remembered that we played in Cowboys stadium and when you look at the pants they look completely different. The Cowboy’s pants are “bluer” but our helmets look about the same though.
I think we're talking about the Cowboys' away pants ...
which aren’t the blue-silver ones.
i’m going to stop now before i kill myself for actually writing another post about this again. :)
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 19, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
I would be interested in seeing one variation of the football uni...
the all whites. White pants/purple stripes, white jersey/purple numbers, white helmet with purple powercat.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
I would like to see variation for ONE football game each year.
Nothing as dramatic as Oregon or Okie Light.
And the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a solid white helmet with the purple Powercat.
I’m actually fine with our pants and tops, I think the change of helmet would be dramatic enough to make the whole uni look different.
I’m not a huge fan of all whites. For example, I HATE Texas’s all white unis. They look cheap to me or something. Not sure what it is.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 19, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
I think the UT All-White uni
looks pretentious. Like they dont care if the all-white ones get stained because they have so much money than can just buy new uni’s for every game
Agree completely Jeremy
Both on your take about Texas’ all-whites and the need for K-State to show one uni variation each season. Personally, the ONE thing I liked during the Ron Prince era was the alteration of the jersey in his third year. I actually thought of it as an improvement on the one pictured above, which looks like the jersey numbers are ironed on and, I believe, lack silver outlining (unlike the shoulder stripes). Personally, I would have no problem with a silver jersey with purple outline, or purple helmet with silver powercat for one game. Hell, I’d even go with black unis with purple outlines for one game. But I could go with the all-white unis, sans the white helmet, too.
x2 on the "1 a year" idea
wouldn’t necessarily have to be 1 a year every year…but say like when we used to play in Farmageddon, since that was a unique game, why not do something unique there. The occasion should help drive the decision. Maybe another scenario could be like in the second to last game of the year, it’s a roadie, but if KSU wins they clinche the conference title: special occasion = special unis.
I also understand the importance of upkeeping an image, and creating a timeless classic identifiable image…which then is why I don’t want to turn away from our unis we have. I could see doing it for a road game. I could see it being like an extra psychological pep in the step of the kids too.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I'm on board with you here
Tradition and identity trump fads and cheap marketing. But like you said, every once in a while it would be nice to throw a special uni on for a special occasion…
totally agree.
I do NOT like the idea of having 4 different pants, 5 different tops, and 4 different helmets (enough combinations that you could wear a different combo in every game for like 5 years…which is essentially what Gundy said about all of their combos).
But I think there ARE times when a different look has its place. Like you said, a special occasion.
I mean, NFL teams don’t wear a different uni every week. They might break out the throwback unis for a special game (perhaps the London game), and I’m down with that. Baseball teams probably do it the most, but with 162 games, there are lots more opportunities.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 19, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not too down on the Oregon's and Oklahoma State's, though.
In a weird sense, constant uniform changes is a tradition.
If Oregon and OSU continue to do this forever, then I can respect the hell out of that.
But I completely agree that a similar philosophy would not fit KSU, and prefer the traditional look for our uniforms, with maybe a special uniform thrown in for special occasions.
My sig needs updated.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 20, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
The new "greys" are a sop to Nike
if you notice on tv, the Swoosh is in white, and it is the only thing which stands out on the screen.
The greys do nothing to promote the KSU brand. We should tell Nike their money is nice, but the KSU brand will not be a subservient little bitch to the swoosh.
oh hail the Purple and White
I believe the silver on the football pants is actually KSU Silver
as in, we are the only school that uses that specific color of silver. I remember reading something about this…Nike actually calls it “Kansas State Silver” or something like that.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 19, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
I see I was a bit late with this bit of info.
jtarkman found the actual linkage. Thanks
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 19, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
I knew I had seen it as well
I was away from my desk though, and things kind of blew up on here while I was gone.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 19, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
Yes to what you say about the greys
And the blacks were a Huggins thing that some people liked so they stayed around. They didn’t look too back in the last style of uni’s, but they look too bland in the new style…plus you can’t read the names.
And white has always (since the adoption of the “official” color Royal Purple) been the recognized primary Secondary color. After white, silver is next. I don’t really see black as a complementary color to purple because they are both darker colors. You need a lighter or brighter color to be paired with black (gold/bright red).
I like the greys, they just don't look good on the new court finish.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Jan 19, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, with the darker stain
they kind of blend and look extra “blah” …which is tough to do when grey is already a “blah” color.
That, and grey is the new “rage” color. ESPN’s uni watch talked about it, how nearly every school that has updated their uni’s the last couple years has a grey option so its not really interesting anymore.
I must say the greys look much worse in standard definiton
by EMAW 4 Ever (iphone) on Jan 19, 2012 12:24 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Grey uniforms
Look absolutely amazing. I was sad to see the white ones last night. I like the purple road unis better than the black road unis.
by iCatDormRat on Jan 19, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting.
You seem to be one of the few people who actually prefer the greys over the whites.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, my personal opinion (for our basketball team anyway) is that the home whites likk super sharp. I’m not saying want to puke when I see the greys, I just think they are overused.
And yes, I much prefer the road purple to the road black.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 19, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
Did we just have a particularly long thread on uniforms?
and what does that say about us…forget it, open a beer and just move along.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Jan 19, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
So many comments I could make.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 19, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
Greys FOREVAR!
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
You liked 11 players with playing time?
well, you and I see it differently then. I believe the haphazard substitution patterns are what lead to the inconsistency we see. By this time of the year, Martin should have 8-9 players who are effective in certain situations, and who know how to play together. Just my opinion.
oh hail the Purple and White
by Furnace76 on Jan 19, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
My take on 11 players
is that Frank is starting to trust more of his guys to be able to play. This is especially true with the younger guys. We need to have a deep bench to go places in March, but you have to trust the guys you have.
We have gotten used to seeing 7-8 guys play all the minutes, sometimes less. If you can put 10-11 guys on the court, who can play quality minutes, that makes you a better team.
To be fair, I did also mention the substitution pattern, but for this game I don’t think it was as much a detriment as you and some others I’ve seen do.
I don't care if you can trust them with your daughter on a dark night with a box of condoms.
If they can’t do crap, why have them on the floor at crucial points in time for long periods of time. At one time, we had both Rodney and JamSam sitting down without even JO or Diaz on the floor. And where was Nino?
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
Nino got hurt in practice...see above
And I think you are taking this a little harshly. I was surprised to see a complete guard lineup at one point, but they played well and Frank didn’t let it last long. JO didn’t have a good night, but Diaz did playing at least solidly even if he wasn’t spectacular.
I have come down on Frank pretty hard for that lack of maturity in his coaching decisions before, so for me to say that I saw some improvement is a big step. It still wasn’t his greatest job by any stretch, but it was a lot better than what he showed against KU, BU, and OU…
Remove Victor (who should never see the floor unless it's a blowout) and I'll be happy with 10
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I do too, but he's like Hrebec
A great glue guy that shouldn’t be playing when the game is close because he doesn’t have the physical gifts.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
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Problem was...
last night, he was awful and still played 19 minutes. He was a liability on defense, especially when his man ball-screened. He repeatedly switched that screen and either was burned for a bucket or his 6’9" or taller man that he left Angel/Will with ended up scoring. It was maddening. His only shots should be layups and yet we saw him take a 3 and a couple of other shots that we know he won’t consistently make. And yet, through all of this, he wasn’t pulled. I’m probably being too hard on the guy, but it was so hard to watch last night.
I understand Jamar was in foul trouble, but what exactly did JO do that was so bad last night? He barely saw the floor when it was clear we needed him protecting the rim as we were repeatedly beat off high ball screens.
I think part of that problem on defense
was the mismatch in size and athleticism. He was just outclassed, no matter how hard he played. He did make some decent plays too. And that three was on target, just a little short, and I wasn’t upset at the time (nor now) that he took it. He had an open look and tried to make a shot to help his team.
Rec to you Furnace.
See my comments below.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
I'm not sure how anyone can be happy with how Frank performed in this game.
At one time we had a lineup on the floor that did not include one true potential scorer. That lineup included Victor, Martavius and Will along with two ? can’t remembers. At that point, Texas took us for about 7 points in a heartbeat. Tell me, anyone, how this guy determines who to put on the floor for crucial minutes. I defy you to find reason with some of the lineup s he puts on the floor.
Having a great practice attitude doesn’t mean you need to get 19 minutes in a crucial game when at best, you bring some enthusiasm to the defense. DERP. Please, I’m getting my blood pressure up thinking about it.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
Nice quote from Frank
"You sure you don’t want to ask me about if I’m worried about Rodney McGruder’s ability to lead our team," Martin jokingly posed afterward. "That’s all I answered the first six, seven weeks of the season. I have told you guys, I am worried about inflation, and I am worried about taxes. But I am not worried about Rodney McGruder.
I heard that on the postgame and it made me smile
Yeah, I was confused (not concerned) as to why Rod wasn’t scoring more, but there were never any issues.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
BOYCOTT ESPN!
From the EDSBS
An funny thought from The Curious Index
VENABLES IS A WORD FOR ASSETS OF SOME UNDETERMINED VALUE.
It really should be, at least, as in “We traded 38 venables for gasoline enough to reach Perth unharmed.”
Okey-Dokey.
Post game from last night is up, different than BigE’s.
Also I re-published the “Defense, you want to talk about Defense” fanpost now that it is official. If you want to be cruel post the link on the USF site.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 19, 2012 9:54 AM CST reply actions
I know, maybe if I started channeling Hunter Thompson, I'll do better.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 19, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
That won't happen with what I do for a day job.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 19, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Here's a thought
what about Randy Shannon? He’s a good coordinator and is still young enough he could take over in a few years. I would have to ask ABrown and see if he’s cool with this, but Shannon would bring in fresh blood and new ideas.
Thoughts gentlemen? (And ladies)
He passes the gut check...
I seem to remember pretty solid D in Miami although he had better talent…pretty good at recruiting…hopefully learned some things from his first head coach experience.
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by mac attack ict on Jan 19, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Does he have any ties to the Midwest?
My worry is that he would struggle early on recruiting regions he is unfamiliar with, although I have no doubt that when serving as Miami head coach he worked Texas a bit. But recruiting to Miami and recruiting to K-State are, as we know, two totally different things.
by CT-K-Stater on Jan 19, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
But he would have access to the also-fertile
Florida recruiting grounds. Snyder has worked some magic there in the past, no reason someone with better ties couldn’t do a little better.
And he did recruit (or was at least coach at the time) ABrown out of Wichita, so he might have more ties around here than we think?
Artur was also getting recruited by $EC's and usc to though
by EMAW 4 Ever (iphone) on Jan 19, 2012 12:29 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes, Arthur was one of the nation's top recruits
Every school, therefore, lands on his doorstep. He is the exception, not the rule.
It sounds like he was always a class act to
Apparently he got fired for telling his players to stay away from Shapiro, so plus florida recruting ties
by EMAW 4 Ever (iphone) on Jan 19, 2012 12:28 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
YEah, I remember him being on a "you must go to class" kick to
he tried to clean up the program when he first got there…Snyder’s program doesnt need cleaning
From BusinessofCollegeSports.com
at look at the cost of recruiting for Big 12 schools.
Kansas tops the list in Men’s sports, but I bet most of that is spent on flying the basketball coaches all over the country.
It surprised me to see Texas so far down on that list, but then I remember, they don’t have to travel very far to get elite recruits…they are smack-dab in the middle of one of the prime recruiting areas
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Kellis takes another look at the game, and Martavious Irving.
I agree that Tay had a decent game. Maybe he just needs to relax and be the first guy off the bench for a while.
Quote to note
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"I’m 6-6″ — Rodney McGruder.
I love it.
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On the whole Cosh front
It’s exciting to me that even if JL decides he doesn’t want to be in this conversation in 2011, that Bill might actually have to make a hire where he evaluates someone from afar akin to when he came back in 2009 and hired Charlie Dickey and Andy Ludwig.
Of course there’s the chance of “promoting from within” too, but for now I want to live in the oblivion. I want to see a coaching hire take place like it does almost everywhere else.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
to further my point
I guess what I was trying to get at was…since BV is off the table, and assume JL is as described above, how many more defensive coaches are out there with former KSU ties that aren’t already hired elsewhere or are head coaches?
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Tracy Cleays at Minnesota
Although I believe he didn’t play for Snyder, or football at all, he is an alum (KSU ’94).
Here is a link
to Tracy Claeys from the Minny athletic site.
Seems legit
Would need a comparison of Minny’s D numbers from the last two years to what he would (potentially) be replacing before I decided if he would be good or not.
Good find though!
Check out his numbers at Northern Illinois
He did a damn fine job there. Plus, it has to be factored in that he also served as interim head coach at one point this season when Jerry Kill suffered from health issues. Thus he was wearing multiple hats at times. And the situation they inherited there from Tim Brewster wasn’t the best.
The real question is whether Snyder wants to hire someone from outside his comfort zone (ie, someone he’s already had on staff before), or is willing to go outside his wheelhouse (an act, as GTcat points out above, of which I can get behind). The other thing with Claeys worth considering is whether he’d be willing to leave Jerry Kill, who has been his boss across four different schools. Particularly after only putting in one year at Minnesota.
Yeah, he seems pretty committed to Kill
so he may not even be looking. And really, a move like that would be lateral, at best a very small step up
loyalty of course appears to be an inherent issue in CFB coaching circles
but how many people would turn down the opportunity to work for Bill if becoming a HC is their ultimate goal? (see also Bill Snyder Coaching tree). I suppose if 28hr work days aren’t your thing…I’m just saying. I think a lot of people want to pick the guy’s brain. Makes you wonder how many resume’s show up at Vanier tomorrow already?
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Very good point
I just wonder, in this particular case, if Claeys doesn’t feel loyalty to Kill – and also, considering Kill’s health issues, that he takes it for granted that he’s the next in line at Minny.
I beleive he made the hypothetical "if Cosh was out, then who ?"
List back in the fall of 2010…
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Yeah, I placed him there then
Was pretty happy with myself for discovering him – but then of course another member also pointed him out as well so I wasn’t alone in uncovering a diamond-in-the-rough.
I could still get behind Matt Wallerstedt, though I haven't auditted that idea
for 2011 stats…that was my pseudo diamond in the rough. When I discovered him, I in fact “re-discovered him”
Who knows, maybe with the 2011 stats he doesn’t look that sharp anymore. i don’t recall AFA having near the splash of a season this year as last.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Yes, I remember that one
That was a good find on your part. I stumbled upon Claeys the day after the original KSB post went up when I went through a second round of digging through potential candidates. My eyes certainly widened when I saw he graduated from K-State – in the same class as me no less.
Another beaut from Spencer Hall
who is terribly good at making me laugh-out-loud at work and make people wonder whats wrong…
If there was a sports network that tried to rival ESPN
They would just have to hire Spencer Hall and the war would be all but won.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
The problem there
and I say this with all the heterosexual brolove in the world for the man, Spencer’s sort of awkward on camera oftentimes.
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So if I understand you right...
Spencer should stick to writing instead of on TV as Stan Weber should stick to radio instead of on TV…
Picture a pre-game show with Stan and Spencer on NBC Sports…
"Nor yet in Dell?"
by GTcat on Jan 19, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
rec that one
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by mac attack ict on Jan 19, 2012 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
He and Sean are trying to outdo each other in the disturbing avatar department.
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At least mine is unintentionally funny
Meat’s is unintentionally traumatic.
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I'm sorry
After many, many hours of therapy and of course the endless jokes about Ron P over at EDSBS, I actually look back at his time here fondly. Oh the straight jacket days weren’t so bad in hindsight.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
You mean, two years ago with Coffman and that awful D under Snyder?
Oh wait, you said doesn’t try, not isn’t fit to be a D1A QB.
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Was at the game and listened to post-game show with Stan on radio.
Because we aren’t at an elite level of recruiting…yet…we have to give guys time on the floor that normally shouldn’t get time on the floor. Its a good basis for the recruiting trail that says ‘you have a good chance to play early if…’ (not quoting anyone).
Frank is rewarding guys who practice good and I think he recognized that TX may be a smaller and quicker than we are and found a mis-match to that end. Do I like all the shuffling he does? No. I do think that some of that is because we don’t have more than 1.5 consistent players. 1 – goes to Gruder and.5 goes to a diff guy each game.
I can’t complain about Frank until we don’t go to the NCAA Tourney.
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You’re right that Frank is rewarding guys. He said as much about Victor. But when the player you’re rewarding is such a weak-link on the team, it’s hard to swallow.
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Saw this gem, and thought I'd throw it up here
Our favorite D-Coordinator from the RP years got a new gig at Purdue
Please let us schedule Purdue for next year!!!
I just looked at this again
and I’m pretty sure that picture they are using is from his K-State days…
Rumor has it that WVU v Big East lawsuit is concluded
WVU to Big XII next year.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 19, 2012 5:56 PM CST reply actions
Source please
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by motown wildcat on Jan 19, 2012 6:01 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
LIke I said rumor.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 19, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
Good work intern.
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It's coming from syracusefan.com
And directly from its admin, who’s actually a major donor to SU athletics, so has lots of ins.
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still at rumor level....
Hopefully it will be firmed up with actual sources and such SOON.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 19, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
Was only a matter of time.
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by TB on Jan 19, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
Oh man. Again?
JO suspended indefinitely for conduct detrimental to the team.
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Where's this coming from?
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by TB on Jan 19, 2012 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
From the meeting with the media this afternoon.
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"conduct detrimental to the team"
that could mean pretty much anything under the sun.
he’s being selfish
he pissed hot
he is falling asleep in the film room
he isn’t eating right
he got a girlfriend
etc.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 19, 2012 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget grades or missing a study session.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 19, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
I wanted to let all of you come up with ideas as well. :)
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 19, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
It doesn't seem to be caused by anything external (i.e. failed drug test, missed classes, improper benefits, etc)
Frank said it is a privilege to be on the team and a week off hopefully will make JO remember that.
Well, at least we see JO’s recent poor play wasn’t due to lack of ability. He needs to get his head on straight. He’s played undisciplined basketball in the past few games and last night his effort was quite poor.
Hopefully this turns out to be a good move by Frank and not a Wally Judge situation and JO comes back ready to turn things around.
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Hopefully he'll be back and play at 100%
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 19, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah.
Hopefully we can get through the next two games without him and have him back by next weekend.
As I’ve said before, this team is at its absolute best when JO is operating on all cylinders. It’s no coincidence that this team’s best games have come with JO playing at a high level.
His play has been poor recently, but there’s not question not having him limits the ceiling on this season.
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He was one of the players that made me feel good this season due to his improvement since he first got here.
This makes me sad.
Would somebody please make up some good news for me please? Oh wait…Cosh is out…all better, sorry for the drama.
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by mac attack ict on Jan 19, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
JO, since he has been here,
has consistently displayed a great attitude. He is the last player I would have ever suspected to be “inconsistent,” or to do something “detrimental to the team.” But here we are, and nothing surprises me anymore about this program. The curve ball, the inconsistency, is the constant with KSU basketball.
It was fun and entertaining for awhile. Now, not so much.
oh hail the Purple and White
Let the season play out before jumping ship.
Frank has earned that much.
JO isn’t playing well right now. At all. If he comes back in a week and plays demonstrably better what will that tell us?
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I'm not jumping ship
I’m not on a rant. The season will play out like most others have – we’ll make the tourney; win a game or two. We will see some darn good ball and some darn poor ball. Just not much consistency.
It will be a roller coaster ride. We will be perplexed and we will shake our head. That’s what we will get.
oh hail the Purple and White
This I do not doubt.
But I do think there’s a telling pattern here.
By year three Frank expects the player to be fully on board and leaves little room for error. And for the guys who have put in the time/effort it’s worked out quite well I’d say. Clemente and Pullen’s third year in the program = Elite Eight. Rodney’s third year right now = stud. Even Big Lu’s third year under Frank saw him getting full and total trust (and playing a lot better).
I have to trust that JO isn’t practicing very well. He certainly hasn’t played very well recently. Is Frank a bit overly dramatic at times? Sure. But that’s who he is. It’s on the players to know how to conduct themselves as experienced players under such a demanding coach.
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But if we ever want to take the next step, and develop into a CONSISTENT Top 10 program,
Frank has to mature as a coach.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 19, 2012 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hardly any programs are consistently top 10.
I’ll take consistently top 25 with a top ten caliber team every three or four years. And that’s what Frank has delivered us in his years.
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The problem is that school down the river's is probably the most consistent program in the country
If K-State didn’t have such an easy comparison, this would probably be easier to take.
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I think we need more evidence before we label what Frank has done as consistent.
I’m not convinced we’ll be able to stay as a perennial Top 25 team if he doesn’t mature as a coach.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 20, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Top 4 in the Big 12 every season isn't consistent?
I too think he needs to adjust his coaching, but I also think he has the self-reflection to be able to do that.
He certainly seemed to show an ability to re-evaluate his coaching last year.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 20, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
What he did last year with the Pinch Post
gives me hope that he is at least not completely inflexible.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 21, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
Well, how long is it going to take to satisfy you?
Top 4 finishes for 5 years running is pretty good – no one else in the league besides KU can even match that. Most coaches don’t even make it more than 7 or 8 years before they move on.
I certainly think HCFM can improve
I just see a lot of unjustified potshots heading his way.
I guess I don't see pointing out that he needs to mature as a coach
as a potshot.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 21, 2012 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
I'd probably be less likely to assume the worst if I'd ever seen you comment positively about a KSU coach
It seems like all you do is complain, whether it’s about firing Cosh, getting rid of Snyder (the younger), and now you’re going after Martin.
Maybe you have complimented them at some point, and it just hasn’t registered. I apologize if that’s the case.
Anyway, saying he should mature isn’t the potshot. It’s the part where you claim it’s too early to call him a consistent winner that is.
Please ignore that post, I shouldn't have posted in a bad mood.
I do agree that I’d like to see Martin mature. I would just rather deal with him while winning then go back to the pre-Martin days when we had a nice coach but always lost.
Jake's 3rd year was great,
while a good third of his senior year was borderline pathetic. JO was playing darn good ball until about ten days ago. He has always seemed a well adjusted, hard working, team oriented player. For 2 1/2 years he’s been that way. All of a sudden, a light goes off, and JO “isn’t practicing well”. What the F happened?
oh hail the Purple and White
Who knows?
But I believe it must have been something significant for Frank to do this.
Frank wants to win. He isn’t going to take away our best interior defensive presence over a couple bad practices.
Don’t know if we’ll ever find out what it is, but I’m going to work of the assumption that Frank isn’t needlessly screwing the team.
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i think i get it or maybe not so i'll add my 2 cents
I think what I hear is just when u think we’re going to go through a ball season w/o something like this, here we are again. Should we even besutprised at this point? How frustrating
"Nor yet in Dell?"
That's what I'm sayin
Not surprised – just frustrated. It is what is and we’s got what we’s got.
oh hail the Purple and White
so, just flipped on the TV
and I see Bama getting destroyed by Vandy.
Seems as if Bama isn’t quite as good as lots of people seemed to think they would be in the pre-season.
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Or perhaps Vandy is better than some thought?
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
prolly a little of both
I guess I felt about Bama how a lot of outsiders felt about our preseason #3 last year. Wasn’t sure where it came from…to me it seemed a little out of the blue.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 19, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
8 minutes left in first half
VT is up on UNC 24-23.
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Well Mike Gundy just won the last major coach of the year award (that I know of)
At least it went to a coach who didn’t have +10 players suspended at one time in the season. Just too bad that we’ll never get to see Okie Lite’s offense expose LSU’s secondary and light up the scoreboard.
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