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Defense? You want to talk to me about defense? 2011 K-State defense part 1


Perhaps you remember last summer's post Numbers by Cosh (tables at end of this post)and how Sean T summed up the post "is he's not the complete clown he looked to be after last season, but he's never run a great D." Which raises the question how did the defense do this year?

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Hartman added, "Like Coach Cosh said, it doesn’t matter how many yards you gave up or how many touchdowns the other team scored, if your team has more points than them that’s really all that matters."

That quote summarizes K-State's defense for the past year. Nothing spectacular but enough to win games. If you look at K-State's offensive numbers (Kent State and KU are the only teams to average less offense per game than K-State), I'm not sure how K-State managed to win games since the defense gave up enough yards for other teams to win.

K-State held Kent State, Baylor, Missouri, KU, Texas A&M, Texas, Iowa State and Arkansas to under their season average total yards, while allowing Miami, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to have above average games. For the games with more yards gained, the other team passed for more than 100 yards over their average game. If K-State held an opponent to under their normal game, it was usually a combination of rush and pass defense. Against Kent State the pass defense was excellent while against Baylor and Missouri the rush defense was excellent and in the other games it seems like a combination.

Turnovers do not explain the wins and losses as K-State had positive turn over margins against both OU and OSU, while having a negative margin against Texas A&M. The Texas Tech game did have a +4 margin which would explain that win and the -1 probably explains the loss in the Cotton Bowl.

K-State's rushing D was 38th in the country, while the passing D was 102th. Kent State, Iowa State and Arkansas all passed less against K-State than their average pass plays per game. Texas A&M and Iowa State were the only teams to rush significantly more against K-State than their average rush plays per game. Texas Tech and Texas A&M were the only teams to have significantly more plays than normal.

Total defense ranks in the Big XII from cfbstats.com: Baylor (116), Iowa State (95), Kansas (120), K-State (72), Missouri (61) Oklahoma (55), Oklahoma State (107), Texas (11), Texas Tech (104), Texas A&M (59)

Future conference members: TCU (32), WVU (33)

As time allows this spring/summer, I'll look at the pass and rush plays of our opponents. Or I might not since a new DC will happen.

Opponent Wins Losses last game Sagarin Offense Offense per game Against KSU
total
(yds/game rank)
rush pass total rush pass total rush pass total
diff
EKY 7 5 153






Kent State 5 7
116 3038 (119) 1293
1745
253.2
107.75
145.4
199
118
81
-54.2
@Miami 6 6 52 4533 (70) 1748
2785
377.8
145.67
232.1
411
139
272
+33.2
Baylor 10 3 13 7632 (2) 3063
4569
587.1
235.62
351.5
429
83
346
-158.1
Missouri 8 5 16 6182 (12) 3165
3017
475.5
243.46
232.1
326
112
214
-149.5
@Txt 5 7 53 5647 (13) 1502
4145
470.6
125.17
345.4
580
119
461
109.4
@KU 2 10 91 3922 (106) 1914
2008
326.8
159.5
167.3
286
76
210
-40.8
OU 10 3 4 6660 (5) 2118
4542
512.3
162.92
349.4
690
170
520
177.7
@OSU 12 1 3 7148 (3) 2114
5034
549.8
162.62
387.2
575
73
502
25.2
aTm 7 6 14 6373 (7) 2589
3784
490.2
199.15
291.1
482
272
210
-8.2
@UT 8 5 17 5103 (53) 2634
2469
392.5
202.62
189.9
310
191
119
-82.5
ISU 6 7 43 5025 (60) 2265
2760
386.5
174.23
212.3
368 215 153 -18.5
Arkansas 11 2
121 5585 (31) 2788
2797
438.1
137.8
300.7
345
129
216
-93.1
Total 5130 1707 3423

from cfbstats.com

And K-State's offensive numbers (Sagarin ranking 19)

Season Totals Ave per game Opp's Ave
total
(yds/game rank)
rush pass total rush pass total rush pass
4381 (101) 2411 1970 337.0 185.46 151.5 394.6 131.31 263.3

Turn over numbers from the year

Opponent Fum Gain Int Gain Tot Gain Fum Lost Int Lost Tot Lost Margin
E KY 0 2 2 4 1 5 -3
Kent St 0 2 2 0 0 0 2
@Miami 0 1 1 0 0 0 1
Baylor 2 1 3 0 1 1 2
Missouri 0 1 1 0 1 1 0
@TXT 1 3 4 0 0 0 4
@KU 2 0 2 0 0 0 2
Oklahoma 0 2 2 1 0 1 1
@OSU 2 2 4 1 1 2 2
aTm 0 1 1 2 1 3 -2
@Texas 0 2 2 0 0 0 2
ISU 1 1 2 0 0 0 2
Arkansas 1 0 1 1 1 2 -1

from cfbstats.com

Opponents Passing and Rushing Attempts

Against K-State Differential
Opponent Avg Rushes Avg Passes Rushes Passes Rushes Passes Total
EKY 27 26 - - -
Kent State 36 29 36 23 0 -6 -6
@Miami 33.17 28.3 27 31 -6.17 2.7 -3.47
Baylor 44.31 32.6 30 32 -14.31 -.6 -14.91
Missouri 45.23 29.5 31 35 -14.23 5.5 -8.73
@TXT 32.58 50 33 63 .42 13 13.42
@KU 45.25 25.1 37 36 -8.25 10.9 2.65
OU 36.08 44.8 25 50 -11.08 5.2 -5.88
@OSU 30.15 45.8 17 46 -13.15 .2 -12.95
aTm 39 41.2 43 46 4 4.8 8.8
@UT 45.31 27.5 42 32 -3.31 4.5 1.19
ISU 41.31 37.2 51 27 9.69 -10.2 -.51
Arkansas 31.69 36.2 30 31 -1.69 -5.2 -6.89
Totals 429 478

from cfbstats.com

1990-1999 Statistics from media guides (Cosh)

Year 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999
school UNLV MN IL IL IL IL IL MD MI-ST SCe
LB DL LB LB LB LB/AHC LB/DC LB DC LB
G 11 12 11 12 11 11 11 12 11
rust att 471 482 444 449 198 486 455 412
Rush yds 2265 1871 1265 1460 1500 2369 1921 2062 1608
rushypg 156.4 205.9 155.9166 115 121.666 136.363 215.363 177.4 171.8 146.181
rush td 26 21 13
passyds 1887 2339 2137 1949 1976 1877 2499 2298 1773
pass ypg 266 171.5 194.916 194.272 162.416 179.636 170.636 227.2 191.5 161.181
pass td 7 21 13
total yds 4152 4210 3402 3409 3476 4246 4459 4360 3384
totalypg 422.4 377.5 350.833 309.272 284.083 316 386 405.4 363.3 307.636
total pnts 302 235 210 156 198 372 355 294
pts/game 32.7 27.5 24.5
tds 34 34
fg/att 12-19
first downs 228 235 182 174 177 206 236 222 179

2000-2010 Statistics from media guides (Cosh), 2011 from cfbstats.com

Year 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
School SCe SCe SCe SCe KSU KSU MD MD MD KSU KSU KSU
Lb LB LB LB/DC LB LB DC DC DC co-DC DC DC
G 12 12 12 12 11 11 13 13 13 12 13 13
rust att 419 458 394 401 461 470 487 362 507 429
Rush yds 1352 1650 1994 1987 1631 1418 2118 1915 1907 1557 3008 1707
rushypg 112.666 137.5 166.166 165.583 148.3 128.9 162.9 147.3 146.7 105.4 231.4 131.31
rush td 15 13 13 19 23 19 16 17 13 10 21 18
passyds 2296 2327 2243 2431 2215 2536 2570 2739 2837 2814 2786 3423
pass ypg 191.333 193.916 186.9166 202.583 201.4 230.5 197.7 210.7 218.2 234.5 214.3 263.3
pass td 5 13 18 25 19 18 14 14 20 25 23 26
total yds 2647 3980 4217 4418 3846 3954 4688 4654 4744 4079 5794 5130
totalypg 220.583 331.666 351.4166 368.166 349.6 359.5 360 358 364.9 339.9 445.7 394.6
total pnts 337 305 280 378 363
pts/game 30.6 27.7 23.3 29.1 27.9
tds 45
fg/att 10/13 16/21 17/24
first downs 202 218 229 222 180 197 236 252 261 221 282 264

Passing Statistics from media guides (Cosh), 2011 from cfbstats.com, bold indicates Chris Cosh as DC

Year attempts completions interceptions
1990
1991 256 150 10
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997 301 188 11
1998
1999 247 143 8
2000 395 217 20
2001 342 202 14
2002 355 210 9
2003 341 211 9
2004 287 154 10
2005 374 208 8
2006 366 215 8
2007 415 249 13
2008 427 257 10
2009 395 231 13
2010 400 221 13
2011 478 301 18

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You REALLY think the Cats played Alabama this year, huh?

“K-State held Kent State, Baylor, Missouri, KU, Texas A&M, Texas, Iowa State and Alabama…”

“K-State’s rushing D was 38th in the country, while the passing D was 102th. Kent State, Iowa State and Alabama all passed…”

I wonder if this D could have been better if they actually bothered to defend the short and medium range passes. How many times did we see an easy completion and then a tackle (or in the case of Hartman, an attempt to injure himself and then bounce off)? Here’s a thought, don’t allow completions!

"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain

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by Sean T on Jan 19, 2012 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

Alabama, Arkansas what's the difference.

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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 19, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I would say, depending on who the new DC(s) is(are)

you might want to look at running the numbers on the Passing game defense and stats from D-Linemen…just saying

by jtarkman on Jan 19, 2012 10:59 AM CST reply actions  

When looking at the number of attempts, it is easy to see how our time-of-possession takes someone off their normal game.

Our ability to control the pace and keep the opposing defense on the field as long as possible was critical to us having the success we had this year. Without that, we would have had more episodes of OK in the second half.

If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.

by ArkieCat on Jan 19, 2012 12:05 PM CST reply actions  

Not the way to win conference championships

As a former FS and TB and currently the Defensive Co. for my old High School, I’m a firm believer in the Defense winnig the games and putting the Offense in positions to score. The defense is the group that decides filed position. Keeping the opposing offense inside the 30 keeps the ball in favor of our offense when it’s punted or in short 4th down situations. The “Bend but don’t break” approach seriously sickens me. Sure, keeping a team that drives the filed to a FG is considered a win but what if the opposing offense punts the ball from 30 and below? Answer: field position win for the Wildcat O. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that with the way Bill Snyder schemes and the way the Offense is built, is for methodical play making and drives down the filed. We seen too many games where the opposing team makes 3 passing plays and suddenly they’re in the red zone ready to score. All the game won this year by 7 pts or less is the reason why KSU wasn’t touted as a high impact team. Had the D held teams to minus their avg yards per game then they would have been a force to be reckoned with and had a BCS game vs MI or GA. Both teams easily could have been beaten. Although the D stepeed up in the Cotton Bowl. Imagine that same style of play all year. Cosh needs to blitz more and create opening gaps for the faster more althetic backs. Whether it be the 2nd or 3rd tier of the D. The team that I help coach scheme more defensive bllitzes and coverages than any other team I’ve seen. Simply for the confusion of the offense. That being said, I understand the different levels of play here but I can’t stand seeing a throwing QB stand in the pocket for 4+ seconds, unafraid of the rush because the D backs are dropped 7-10 yrds in coverage just to PREVENT the long ball…

Don't sweat the petty stuff. Don't pet the sweaty stuff!

by Ks8ter on Jan 23, 2012 10:53 AM CST reply actions  

Although I agree with most of your points...

The K-State D’s play had nothing to do with our BCS bid. Although we may have won at OSU and kept the OU close enough to win the auto-bid. Our 10-2 record was good enough to be in the Sugar…but politics kept us out.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Jan 23, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

First of all,

I’m surprised I’m the first to rec this effort. Really nice.

Secondly, I’m glad to see someone be balanced about Cosh and the defense. This bunch wasn’t close to being lights out and it was sometimes frustrating to watch. But hell, I’ll give it a B- and maybe even a B, which is a HUGE step after after last year’s F-.

Yes, it gave up yards and sometimes seemed like it would never stop anyone. But it was incredibly opportunistic and stepped up in a monumental way on a handful of occasions. The goal line stand against Miami was one for the ages. Interception Griffin and then stopping him on four downs defined the season. I finally had a chance to watch a tape of the Texas game and there is just no way the Cats deserved to win that game. Even though I knew the outcome, I was almost sure that Texas would have to find a way to cross the end zone on one of their last four or five opportunities, especially as the offense was a three-and-out machine.

Anon’s main point is the one that sticks for me—this was pretty weak offense that was outgained by virtually every team it played and, still, the team went 10-3. The Cats were never in the Arkansas game (and that certainly wasn’t the D’s fault.) The second half against OU was a debacle, but it was a total team collapse, so that ain’t on the D either. They couldn’t stop OSU, but virtually no one could this year.

Still, the OSU game is the only one on the season in which better defense would have meant a win. Throw out the two blow out wins and Chris Cosh’s defense did exactly what it needed to to win the game eight times out of nine. And that makes for a good year, regardless of how overmatched they looked at times.

And as a final note—this was probably a defense with limited talent. Aside from AB, it was mainly juco transfers and converted QBs. I don’t mean this as a slight at all, but only one player walked on to campus ready to be a star. The rest had to be molded by a coaching staff and Chris Cosh was the head of the unit.

Defense: B
Offense: B-
Special Teams: B+ (Cotton Bowl dropped them a bit)

Overall: B+
Overall accounting for expectations: A

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by MrHappyMushroom on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 PM CST reply actions  

The defense played better than the offense this year

with the exception of the OU and OSU games, where they looked completely outmatched.

by smitty3268 on Jan 24, 2012 2:33 AM CST reply actions  

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