Defense? You want to talk to me about defense? 2011 K-State defense part 1
Perhaps you remember last summer's post Numbers by Cosh (tables at end of this post)and how Sean T summed up the post "is he's not the complete clown he looked to be after last season, but he's never run a great D." Which raises the question how did the defense do this year?
Hartman added, "Like Coach Cosh said, it doesn’t matter how many yards you gave up or how many touchdowns the other team scored, if your team has more points than them that’s really all that matters."
That quote summarizes K-State's defense for the past year. Nothing spectacular but enough to win games. If you look at K-State's offensive numbers (Kent State and KU are the only teams to average less offense per game than K-State), I'm not sure how K-State managed to win games since the defense gave up enough yards for other teams to win.
K-State held Kent State, Baylor, Missouri, KU, Texas A&M, Texas, Iowa State and Arkansas to under their season average total yards, while allowing Miami, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to have above average games. For the games with more yards gained, the other team passed for more than 100 yards over their average game. If K-State held an opponent to under their normal game, it was usually a combination of rush and pass defense. Against Kent State the pass defense was excellent while against Baylor and Missouri the rush defense was excellent and in the other games it seems like a combination.
Turnovers do not explain the wins and losses as K-State had positive turn over margins against both OU and OSU, while having a negative margin against Texas A&M. The Texas Tech game did have a +4 margin which would explain that win and the -1 probably explains the loss in the Cotton Bowl.
K-State's rushing D was 38th in the country, while the passing D was 102th. Kent State, Iowa State and Arkansas all passed less against K-State than their average pass plays per game. Texas A&M and Iowa State were the only teams to rush significantly more against K-State than their average rush plays per game. Texas Tech and Texas A&M were the only teams to have significantly more plays than normal.
Total defense ranks in the Big XII from cfbstats.com: Baylor (116), Iowa State (95), Kansas (120), K-State (72), Missouri (61) Oklahoma (55), Oklahoma State (107), Texas (11), Texas Tech (104), Texas A&M (59)
Future conference members: TCU (32), WVU (33)
As time allows this spring/summer, I'll look at the pass and rush plays of our opponents. Or I might not since a new DC will happen.
| Opponent | Wins | Losses | last game | Sagarin | Offense | Offense per game | Against KSU | ||||||||||
| total (yds/game rank) |
rush | pass | total | rush | pass | total | rush | pass | total diff |
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| EKY | 7 | 5 | 153 | ||||||||||||||
| Kent State | 5 | 7 | 116 | 3038 (119) | 1293 |
1745 |
253.2 |
107.75 |
145.4 |
199 |
118 |
81 |
-54.2 |
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| @Miami | 6 | 6 | 52 | 4533 (70) | 1748 |
2785 |
377.8 |
145.67 |
232.1 |
411 |
139 |
272 |
+33.2 |
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| Baylor | 10 | 3 | 13 | 7632 (2) | 3063 |
4569 |
587.1 |
235.62 |
351.5 |
429 |
83 |
346 |
-158.1 |
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| Missouri | 8 | 5 | 16 | 6182 (12) | 3165 |
3017 |
475.5 |
243.46 |
232.1 |
326 |
112 |
214 |
-149.5 |
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| @Txt | 5 | 7 | 53 | 5647 (13) | 1502 |
4145 |
470.6 |
125.17 |
345.4 |
580 |
119 |
461 |
109.4 |
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| @KU | 2 | 10 | 91 | 3922 (106) | 1914 |
2008 |
326.8 |
159.5 |
167.3 |
286 |
76 |
210 |
-40.8 |
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| OU | 10 | 3 | 4 | 6660 (5) | 2118 |
4542 |
512.3 |
162.92 |
349.4 |
690 |
170 |
520 |
177.7 |
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| @OSU | 12 | 1 | 3 | 7148 (3) | 2114 |
5034 |
549.8 |
162.62 |
387.2 |
575 |
73 |
502 |
25.2 |
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| aTm | 7 | 6 | 14 | 6373 (7) | 2589 |
3784 |
490.2 |
199.15 |
291.1 |
482 |
272 |
210 |
-8.2 |
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| @UT | 8 | 5 | 17 | 5103 (53) | 2634 |
2469 |
392.5 |
202.62 |
189.9 |
310 |
191 |
119 |
-82.5 |
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| ISU | 6 | 7 | 43 | 5025 (60) | 2265 |
2760 |
386.5 |
174.23 |
212.3 |
368 | 215 | 153 | -18.5 | ||||
| Arkansas | 11 | 2 | 121 | 5585 (31) | 2788 |
2797 |
438.1 |
137.8 |
300.7 |
345 |
129 |
216 |
-93.1 |
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| Total | 5130 | 1707 | 3423 | ||||||||||||||
from cfbstats.com
And K-State's offensive numbers (Sagarin ranking 19)
| Season Totals | Ave per game | Opp's Ave | ||||||||
| total (yds/game rank) |
rush | pass | total | rush | pass | total | rush | pass | ||
| 4381 (101) | 2411 | 1970 | 337.0 | 185.46 | 151.5 | 394.6 | 131.31 | 263.3 | ||
Turn over numbers from the year
| Opponent | Fum Gain | Int Gain | Tot Gain | Fum Lost | Int Lost | Tot Lost | Margin |
| E KY | 0 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 1 | 5 | -3 |
| Kent St | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| @Miami | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Baylor | 2 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
| Missouri | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| @TXT | 1 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 |
| @KU | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| Oklahoma | 0 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| @OSU | 2 | 2 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
| aTm | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 3 | -2 |
| @Texas | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| ISU | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| Arkansas | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | -1 |
from cfbstats.com
Opponents Passing and Rushing Attempts
| Against K-State | Differential | ||||||
| Opponent | Avg Rushes | Avg Passes | Rushes | Passes | Rushes | Passes | Total |
| EKY | 27 | 26 | - | - | - | ||
| Kent State | 36 | 29 | 36 | 23 | 0 | -6 | -6 |
| @Miami | 33.17 | 28.3 | 27 | 31 | -6.17 | 2.7 | -3.47 |
| Baylor | 44.31 | 32.6 | 30 | 32 | -14.31 | -.6 | -14.91 |
| Missouri | 45.23 | 29.5 | 31 | 35 | -14.23 | 5.5 | -8.73 |
| @TXT | 32.58 | 50 | 33 | 63 | .42 | 13 | 13.42 |
| @KU | 45.25 | 25.1 | 37 | 36 | -8.25 | 10.9 | 2.65 |
| OU | 36.08 | 44.8 | 25 | 50 | -11.08 | 5.2 | -5.88 |
| @OSU | 30.15 | 45.8 | 17 | 46 | -13.15 | .2 | -12.95 |
| aTm | 39 | 41.2 | 43 | 46 | 4 | 4.8 | 8.8 |
| @UT | 45.31 | 27.5 | 42 | 32 | -3.31 | 4.5 | 1.19 |
| ISU | 41.31 | 37.2 | 51 | 27 | 9.69 | -10.2 | -.51 |
| Arkansas | 31.69 | 36.2 | 30 | 31 | -1.69 | -5.2 | -6.89 |
| Totals | 429 | 478 | |||||
from cfbstats.com
1990-1999 Statistics from media guides (Cosh)
| Year | 1990 | 1991 | 1992 | 1993 | 1994 | 1995 | 1996 | 1997 | 1998 | 1999 |
| school | UNLV | MN | IL | IL | IL | IL | IL | MD | MI-ST | SCe |
| LB | DL | LB | LB | LB | LB/AHC | LB/DC | LB | DC | LB | |
| G | 11 | 12 | 11 | 12 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 11 | |
| rust att | 471 | 482 | 444 | 449 | 198 | 486 | 455 | 412 | ||
| Rush yds | 2265 | 1871 | 1265 | 1460 | 1500 | 2369 | 1921 | 2062 | 1608 | |
| rushypg | 156.4 | 205.9 | 155.9166 | 115 | 121.666 | 136.363 | 215.363 | 177.4 | 171.8 | 146.181 |
| rush td | 26 | 21 | 13 | |||||||
| passyds | 1887 | 2339 | 2137 | 1949 | 1976 | 1877 | 2499 | 2298 | 1773 | |
| pass ypg | 266 | 171.5 | 194.916 | 194.272 | 162.416 | 179.636 | 170.636 | 227.2 | 191.5 | 161.181 |
| pass td | 7 | 21 | 13 | |||||||
| total yds | 4152 | 4210 | 3402 | 3409 | 3476 | 4246 | 4459 | 4360 | 3384 | |
| totalypg | 422.4 | 377.5 | 350.833 | 309.272 | 284.083 | 316 | 386 | 405.4 | 363.3 | 307.636 |
| total pnts | 302 | 235 | 210 | 156 | 198 | 372 | 355 | 294 | ||
| pts/game | 32.7 | 27.5 | 24.5 | |||||||
| tds | 34 | 34 | ||||||||
| fg/att | 12-19 | |||||||||
| first downs | 228 | 235 | 182 | 174 | 177 | 206 | 236 | 222 | 179 |
2000-2010 Statistics from media guides (Cosh), 2011 from cfbstats.com
| Year | 2000 | 2001 | 2002 | 2003 | 2004 | 2005 | 2006 | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 |
| School | SCe | SCe | SCe | SCe | KSU | KSU | MD | MD | MD | KSU | KSU | KSU |
| Lb | LB | LB | LB/DC | LB | LB | DC | DC | DC | co-DC | DC | DC | |
| G | 12 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 11 | 11 | 13 | 13 | 13 | 12 | 13 | 13 |
| rust att | 419 | 458 | 394 | 401 | 461 | 470 | 487 | 362 | 507 | 429 | ||
| Rush yds | 1352 | 1650 | 1994 | 1987 | 1631 | 1418 | 2118 | 1915 | 1907 | 1557 | 3008 | 1707 |
| rushypg | 112.666 | 137.5 | 166.166 | 165.583 | 148.3 | 128.9 | 162.9 | 147.3 | 146.7 | 105.4 | 231.4 | 131.31 |
| rush td | 15 | 13 | 13 | 19 | 23 | 19 | 16 | 17 | 13 | 10 | 21 | 18 |
| passyds | 2296 | 2327 | 2243 | 2431 | 2215 | 2536 | 2570 | 2739 | 2837 | 2814 | 2786 | 3423 |
| pass ypg | 191.333 | 193.916 | 186.9166 | 202.583 | 201.4 | 230.5 | 197.7 | 210.7 | 218.2 | 234.5 | 214.3 | 263.3 |
| pass td | 5 | 13 | 18 | 25 | 19 | 18 | 14 | 14 | 20 | 25 | 23 | 26 |
| total yds | 2647 | 3980 | 4217 | 4418 | 3846 | 3954 | 4688 | 4654 | 4744 | 4079 | 5794 | 5130 |
| totalypg | 220.583 | 331.666 | 351.4166 | 368.166 | 349.6 | 359.5 | 360 | 358 | 364.9 | 339.9 | 445.7 | 394.6 |
| total pnts | 337 | 305 | 280 | 378 | 363 | |||||||
| pts/game | 30.6 | 27.7 | 23.3 | 29.1 | 27.9 | |||||||
| tds | 45 | |||||||||||
| fg/att | 10/13 | 16/21 | 17/24 | |||||||||
| first downs | 202 | 218 | 229 | 222 | 180 | 197 | 236 | 252 | 261 | 221 | 282 | 264 |
Passing Statistics from media guides (Cosh), 2011 from cfbstats.com, bold indicates Chris Cosh as DC
| Year | attempts | completions | interceptions |
| 1990 | |||
| 1991 | 256 | 150 | 10 |
| 1992 | |||
| 1993 | |||
| 1994 | |||
| 1995 | |||
| 1996 | |||
| 1997 | 301 | 188 | 11 |
| 1998 | |||
| 1999 | 247 | 143 | 8 |
| 2000 | 395 | 217 | 20 |
| 2001 | 342 | 202 | 14 |
| 2002 | 355 | 210 | 9 |
| 2003 | 341 | 211 | 9 |
| 2004 | 287 | 154 | 10 |
| 2005 | 374 | 208 | 8 |
| 2006 | 366 | 215 | 8 |
| 2007 | 415 | 249 | 13 |
| 2008 | 427 | 257 | 10 |
| 2009 | 395 | 231 | 13 |
| 2010 | 400 | 221 | 13 |
| 2011 | 478 | 301 | 18 |
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You REALLY think the Cats played Alabama this year, huh?
“K-State held Kent State, Baylor, Missouri, KU, Texas A&M, Texas, Iowa State and Alabama…”
“K-State’s rushing D was 38th in the country, while the passing D was 102th. Kent State, Iowa State and Alabama all passed…”
I wonder if this D could have been better if they actually bothered to defend the short and medium range passes. How many times did we see an easy completion and then a tackle (or in the case of Hartman, an attempt to injure himself and then bounce off)? Here’s a thought, don’t allow completions!
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BOYCOTT ESPN!
Alabama, Arkansas what's the difference.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 19, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
I would say, depending on who the new DC(s) is(are)
you might want to look at running the numbers on the Passing game defense and stats from D-Linemen…just saying
When looking at the number of attempts, it is easy to see how our time-of-possession takes someone off their normal game.
Our ability to control the pace and keep the opposing defense on the field as long as possible was critical to us having the success we had this year. Without that, we would have had more episodes of OK in the second half.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
Not the way to win conference championships
As a former FS and TB and currently the Defensive Co. for my old High School, I’m a firm believer in the Defense winnig the games and putting the Offense in positions to score. The defense is the group that decides filed position. Keeping the opposing offense inside the 30 keeps the ball in favor of our offense when it’s punted or in short 4th down situations. The “Bend but don’t break” approach seriously sickens me. Sure, keeping a team that drives the filed to a FG is considered a win but what if the opposing offense punts the ball from 30 and below? Answer: field position win for the Wildcat O. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that with the way Bill Snyder schemes and the way the Offense is built, is for methodical play making and drives down the filed. We seen too many games where the opposing team makes 3 passing plays and suddenly they’re in the red zone ready to score. All the game won this year by 7 pts or less is the reason why KSU wasn’t touted as a high impact team. Had the D held teams to minus their avg yards per game then they would have been a force to be reckoned with and had a BCS game vs MI or GA. Both teams easily could have been beaten. Although the D stepeed up in the Cotton Bowl. Imagine that same style of play all year. Cosh needs to blitz more and create opening gaps for the faster more althetic backs. Whether it be the 2nd or 3rd tier of the D. The team that I help coach scheme more defensive bllitzes and coverages than any other team I’ve seen. Simply for the confusion of the offense. That being said, I understand the different levels of play here but I can’t stand seeing a throwing QB stand in the pocket for 4+ seconds, unafraid of the rush because the D backs are dropped 7-10 yrds in coverage just to PREVENT the long ball…
Don't sweat the petty stuff. Don't pet the sweaty stuff!
Although I agree with most of your points...
The K-State D’s play had nothing to do with our BCS bid. Although we may have won at OSU and kept the OU close enough to win the auto-bid. Our 10-2 record was good enough to be in the Sugar…but politics kept us out.
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First of all,
I’m surprised I’m the first to rec this effort. Really nice.
Secondly, I’m glad to see someone be balanced about Cosh and the defense. This bunch wasn’t close to being lights out and it was sometimes frustrating to watch. But hell, I’ll give it a B- and maybe even a B, which is a HUGE step after after last year’s F-.
Yes, it gave up yards and sometimes seemed like it would never stop anyone. But it was incredibly opportunistic and stepped up in a monumental way on a handful of occasions. The goal line stand against Miami was one for the ages. Interception Griffin and then stopping him on four downs defined the season. I finally had a chance to watch a tape of the Texas game and there is just no way the Cats deserved to win that game. Even though I knew the outcome, I was almost sure that Texas would have to find a way to cross the end zone on one of their last four or five opportunities, especially as the offense was a three-and-out machine.
Anon’s main point is the one that sticks for me—this was pretty weak offense that was outgained by virtually every team it played and, still, the team went 10-3. The Cats were never in the Arkansas game (and that certainly wasn’t the D’s fault.) The second half against OU was a debacle, but it was a total team collapse, so that ain’t on the D either. They couldn’t stop OSU, but virtually no one could this year.
Still, the OSU game is the only one on the season in which better defense would have meant a win. Throw out the two blow out wins and Chris Cosh’s defense did exactly what it needed to to win the game eight times out of nine. And that makes for a good year, regardless of how overmatched they looked at times.
And as a final note—this was probably a defense with limited talent. Aside from AB, it was mainly juco transfers and converted QBs. I don’t mean this as a slight at all, but only one player walked on to campus ready to be a star. The rest had to be molded by a coaching staff and Chris Cosh was the head of the unit.
Defense: B
Offense: B-
Special Teams: B+ (Cotton Bowl dropped them a bit)
Overall: B+
Overall accounting for expectations: A
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 PM CST reply actions
The defense played better than the offense this year
with the exception of the OU and OSU games, where they looked completely outmatched.

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