Conference starts for the Cats under coach Martin
by Sean T on Jan 16, 2012 1:30 PM CST
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PrintIt's an annual tradition around Manhattan - the Cats always start conference play slow and then get hot eventually. Daverone asked if someone could check out how the Cats started in conference under Martin, and I've decided to do it myself.
For comparison in Wooly's last year (2005), the Cats started conference play 0-2, and then went 6-10, including a win in Lawrence.
Huggy's year (2006), the Cats started 0-2, and then went 10-6.
Martin's first year (2007), the Cats started 5-0 (!!), and then went 10-6.
2008 - started 0-4, then 9-7
2009 - started 0-1 (really 3-1), then 11-5 (the best team, with two complete derps at home against OSU and ISU)
2010 - started 1-4, then 10-6.
It looks to me like the 2007 year was an aberration. Well, in one sense it was, thanks the greatest individual season in K-State basketball history. The 2009 team had a favorable schedule to start with too, aside from opening in Columbia. I don't know why Martin's teams start conference so poorly, but until Martin gets that fixed, this team will never truly contend for a conference title. It's disappointing.
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0-1 is not really a bad "start" if you win the next 3
I consider the first four games of the conference schedule necessary for determining the “start” of the schedule.
As for the 1st year, we did have Beasley and Walker.
But thanks for the work. I’d like to know the record after 4 games in 2009-10. I thought we were like 1 and 3 then too.
oh hail the Purple and White
In 09-10, we actually started 3-1, with loss @MU, W vTAMU, W @CU, and W v#1UT.
I went back and looked at who we played, too…and there’s no real trend, other than Frank’s teams, for the most part, just struggle with early season conference games. There weren’t an excessive number of road games, or front loaded schedules (like we had this year, starting with KU/MU/BU), or anything like that. We just start slow, and find a stride through the middle of the season, more or less until we play KU for the second time.
Don’t know what to make of it, but I honestly don’t see this year being any different. We’re 1-3, but will probably end up somewhere in the 12-6 or 11-7 range in league play. Based on where RPIs are at currently – since we’re more than halfway through the season – I think we’ll be fine for the NCAA as long as we don’t take any “bad losses”, which would be losses to OSU or TTU.
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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that's right
it was after we beat #1 Texas that we went into our funk, after the great start. That was a salty team, with Clemente as a senior. Frank has to get in a recruiting and “development” rotation where he has at least one darn solid point guard (any team does, if they want to be really good). I’d take this year as an #11 seed if we could “develop” Angel to be a top-tier point guard for the NEXT three years. We cannot afford to lose Angel or have him turn into a headcase, IMO.
oh hail the Purple and White
Cats will be fine.
There are those that do not like seeing sausage made, but I’m not seeing anything from Coach Martin that says he can’t coach.
Overtime I think he will continue to improve as a coach and will not have to rely on freshman players as much. I think the coaching staff this year is solid and things will continue to improve. If you watch Thomas Gipson, he shows improvement each game.
Now if we can start teaching kids to shoot 8-15’ foot jumpers, life will be great.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 17, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry, I was feeling lazy, I should have put that the Cats started 3-1 in conference
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point of order
It looks to me like the 2007 year was an aberration. Well, in one sense it was,thanks the greatest single season in K-State basketball history
2007 was NOT the greastest single season in K-State basketball history.
1951 – NCAA runner up
1948, 1958, 1964 – NCAA Final Four.
All 4 of those seasons were ‘better’ than 2007.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 17, 2012 8:44 AM CST reply actions
D'oh. I meant greatest individual season. I'll edit it.
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You might want to check on other players who have played for the Cats
I like Beasley but he was only at K-State for a year and there were others that were as great as he was for multiple years.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 17, 2012 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
I kind of doubt it
I know K-State had a lot of great players before I was born, but statistically speaking, 26.2/12.4 per game puts Beasley’s season among the best all-time in the Big 12 conference.
I didn’t spend too much time researching, but here are some comparables:
KD: 25.8/11.1
Blake Griffin’s sophomore season: 22.7/14.4
Danny Manning’s senior season: 24.8/9.0
Wilt Chamberlain’s senior season: 29.9/18.3
That’s some pretty good company.
by Ahearn Alley on Jan 17, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
He just barely beats Bob Boozer for a season
Bob Boozer was at 25.6 points for a season.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 17, 2012 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks Sean
I appreciate the work and this discussion. Unfortunately, I can only log in to this blog every so often. “Stupid Work” (homer simpson voice).
Happy to do it. It was good for me to see too so I could get some perspective on something that always bugs me.
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