K-State Slate: 1.11.12
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K-State couldn't hold leads in both the first and second halves of this game and fell to Baylor, 75-73. Rodney McGruder scored 30 to lead K-State, including seemingly every big shot that kept K-State in the game when it looked like Baylor may stretch its lead.
Being the player he is, McGruder didn't care about the points after the Wildcats couldn't pull out the win.
K-State Football
After finishing 10-3, K-State ended up 15th in the final AP Poll and 16th in the coaches poll.
Former K-State football coach Vince Gibson died Monday after a battle with ALS.
While we're reporting bad news, former K-State linebacker Bryan Hickman died last week, cause unknown.
College Football
Significant change could be coming to the BCS as soon as 2014.
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By significant change, I think they mean
some cruddy version of the BCS system.
Anyone in favor of bowls needs to reveal any and all payments or gifts received from bowls.
A playoff with the 11 conference champions is the best solution to the crud that happened this year. If the NCAA wants to continue to allow exhibition games, i.e. bowls, then great but make the championship separate.
Until there is a playoff the schools are allowing a bunch of money to go to alleged non-profit groups.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
bringonthecats.com, K-State's SBnation blog where I hang out during games.
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2012 7:10 AM CST reply actions
Think of the hit to Meshak with 30 seconds left in the first half of the Cotton Bowl,
or the perhaps life altering hit Hartman took, when you get on your moral high horse and claim that at least 11 conference champions should be involved in some kind of “playoff.”
There are plenty of reasons to “dislike” the current arrangement, and some good reasons to argue for change. But, as one who is steadfastly opposed to any type of playoff system in BIG Time College Football, the sense of moral superiority playoff advocates claim for themselfs is disturbing to me, because it does not lead to fruitful discussion.
I am not in favor of a playoff system, and I will “reveal” that I receive no “payments or gifts…from bowls.”
oh hail the Purple and White
In fairness to Anon
to use that example against you, that hit on Meshak could have happened in any regular season game all the same. Besides, D-1A cannot argue against adding additional games when less than 10 years ago they opted to move from an 11-game regular season to a 12 game one.
But that aside, I get what you’re saying here, Furnace.
by CT-K-Stater on Jan 11, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the whole, "But kids might get INJURED" canard is tired.
Injuries happen in all sports, particularly basketball. You don’t see people calling to shorten the NCAA tournament because of it. The fact is, only college sport decides their champion in a non-playoff manner. Why? I think that’s the question Anon was asking.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 11, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Specifically, just Division 1 FCS college football
They still have playoffs in the lower divisions of college football, and in most of the other non-revenue sports.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 11, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
you mean FBS
FCS actually IS the group that has a championship (that’s what the “C” stands for).
aka - Hell Dancing
First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)
by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 11, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
I meant to write "only ONE college sport decides their champion in a non-playoff manner."
Leaving out that word makes it confusing.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 11, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Players can get hurt at any time, in any game. Or in practice for that matter.
They know this. They’ve known it their whole lives since they were little kids first learning how to play. You think the Okie-St players wouldn’t have LOVED a chance to get into the National Championship game via a playoff this season?
Why don’t you get off YOUR moral high-horse and stop acting like you know what’s better for people than they know themselves.
If they were scared of the injuries they wouldn’t play the game.
And just what was my argument where I claimed to be on a moral high horse?
oh hail the Purple and White
You didn't, but you implied a moral argument when you talked about thinking of the players injuries.
That was AFTER you took Anon to task for thinking bowl supporters have a responsibility to reveal their bowl associations.
You both had implicit moral leanings in your posts, so if you want to take Anon to task for doing that you need to be able to accept the same criticism for yourself.
I consider it ethics.
From the NSPE code of ethics:
Engineers shall not solicit or accept financial or other valuable consideration, directly or indirectly, from outside agents in connection with the work for which they are responsible.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2012 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
You might want to work on the reading comprehension.
Article from the slate today:
College Football
Significant change could be coming to the BCS as soon as 2014.
Title (and first sentence) to my post:
By significant change, I think they mean
some cruddy version of the BCS system.
My post is referencing the article and thus the decision makers who are deciding about a playoff or to continue the bowl system. Are you familiar with the bowls? And how many of them have provided benefits over the years? Maybe you should read the Arizona Republic series of articles (one article on politic aspects) on how the Fiesta Bowl did business. If you are someone making a decision for a public institution then you need to reveal any conflict of interests, which would include voting for a system that rewards an institution from which you have received a benefit.
If you want to take my post as a moral high ground, feel free to put it with the rest of your conspiracies.
As for your introducing player injuries to the argument, when it has nothing to do with a single thing in my original post, lets just say that you lost a bunch of respect. If we follow your argument to the logical conclusion, K-State should not even have athletics in any form and all the students should sit in rooms lined with nerf and take notes with crayolas. Player injuries have nothing to do for or against a play off or a bowl system. I know there were players injured during the NCAA football playoffs and I know there were players injured during bowls. Maybe we can conclude football is not without risk?
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
bringonthecats.com, K-State's SBnation blog where I hang out during games.
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
And here are more articles
ThinkProgress.org article.
I have no idea about this site Playoffpac.com but it was mentioned in the first article and led to the third article mentioned.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
bringonthecats.com, K-State's SBnation blog where I hang out during games.
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Sigh
Anon – I respect the heck out of you, and I’m not going to get into a big debate about this. I was trying to make the point that there are a lot of folks who are not in favor of a “playoff” who are not on the take from bowls, and I’m one of them, and that it doesn’t advance the playoff advocate’s cause much to arrogate unto themselfs some claim to moral superiority to those who oppose a playoff.
A legitimate concern of having a playoff system is the increased number of games we are asking these kids to play. The fallacy of arguing that because the NCAA allowed us to go from 11 to 12, then for some reason we should be unconcerned about going to 14 or 15 or 16, should be readily apparent to anyone who took English Comp 101. Other than this, I won’t waste my time responding to that kind of non-sense.
My reading comprehension is just fine. My response was really narrowly directed to the idea that one advocating a system which keeps the bowls (which your post allowed for) and having a playoff system including “11 conference champions” (which your post allowed for) might want to consider player safety when they advocate for a system which would extend the season to 14, 15, or 16 games. I intended to strike a nerve with my argument because, frankly, I’m tired of the tone of moral superiority which is too often contained in the arguments made by playoff advocates. And Anon, the tone of your comments contained that. Are you surprised when some one calls you on it?
I’m well aware of the corruption which accompanies some aspects of the bowl system and the abuse in general of our “non profit” laws (a subject which extends far beyond merely the bowl system). Those issues need to be addressed. I think they can be addressed without one side or the other claiming to be more moral or ethical than the other.
oh hail the Purple and White
No offense here Furnace,
but not only am I well advanced past English Comp 101, but last I checked LSU already played 14 games this season.
by CT-K-Stater on Jan 11, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And what is the point?
oh hail the Purple and White
Facts are often inconvenient.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 11, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
What "fact" is inconvenient?
oh hail the Purple and White
I still don't get your point.
Are you suggesting that because some teams already play 14 games that its just Jim Dandy to suggest we have a playoff system where some teams might play 16 or 17 games in BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL?
oh hail the Purple and White
Where do you draw the line Furnace?
So 14 games is okay, but 15, 16, or 17 games are an outrage? That’s not very logical.
LSU had to play 1 more game than Alabama this year. Were you railing against the unfairness and danger of it all then, back in November when the #1 team in the country was preparing for their conference championship game while #’s 2 and 3 were sitting at home wondering where they would finish?
You would have me believe that the only safe and responsible way to crown a national champion is to use a system like the BCS to rank the teams, and whoever is #1 at the end of the regular season takes the crown.
Furnace, not to get into it with you
But Pittsburg State just completed a 14-game season. Now, IF a playoff were to happen – and I’m neither advocating for, nor against – why not examine how they do it at the lower levels? Are Pitt State players any less susceptible to injuries, any less worthy of protection?
Look, I agree that the law of probabilities regarding injuries naturally increases the more games that are played. But my point is simply that injuries can happen anytime, any game. Jordan Voelker played in the same amount of games (probably even more snaps) than Meshak and didn’t suffer the same injury. That was just chance – same as Meshak might have had the same injury in Week 1.
As for playing more games, do you mean to tell me that the Okie State players wouldn’t be thrilled to have a crack as LSU or Alabama in an additional game? Really? Or that in an 8-team playoff a #8 K-State team wouldn’t relish an opportunity for additional games? That those players – many of whom know they will never go pro and if they are seniors recognize these are the last games they will ever play – wouldn’t be thrilled to prolong their season?
There are, of course, legitimate questions regarding the length of the season, the burden on the student-athlete (it hurt me just to type that considering SEC schools), etc, etc. I understand that. But these conference commissioners, college presidents and ADs had no problem adding extra games to regular season schedules and conference championship games. Seems to me their concern is not about the players, but about expanding or protecting their fiefdoms.
All that said, I respect your views, but just don’t see potential player injuries as the reason to opt out of a playoff scheme which was why I was pointing it out initially in response to your original comments to Anon. My apologies if that response was taken out of context or deemed irrelevant from your perspective.
If you want to argue for the bowls then do so. I have no problem with arguments for the bowls.
If number of games is a concern, then maybe look at the ‘lower’ divisions to see how they do it.
It is an ethics issue, not a morals issue. Again I’m tired of people that have received significant gifts from the bowls, saying the bowls are the way to go. It is a conflict of interest.
If the average fan want to make a convincing argument for a bowl, then do so but ‘tradition’ is not a trump argument.
As I posted the intent of my original post was directed at the people who make the decisions. And when the list of the people who are making the decision on if the Fiesta Bowl is still a bowl or not, have received something of significant value from the Fiesta Bowl, that is a conflict of interest.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
bringonthecats.com, K-State's SBnation blog where I hang out during games.
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
Anon,
I understand and respect your disgust with the corrupting influence that money – and who is receiving it – plays in maintaining the status quo and that you don’t like the status quo. I don’t like the status quo that much either. I just believe that a “playoff” is not the way to go. I’m working on a post which addresses some of these issues, because addressing them in “comments” generally leads to “unfruitful” discussions, some of which occured in this thread (which, if you review, was the real point I was trying to make in my iniatial response).
oh hail the Purple and White
Fair enough
I’ll look forward to reading your post.
I might not agree with it, just a warning.
Okay everybody, ignore Furnance’s and my initial posts … our points didn’t come across as well as we wanted. So those posts did not happen. You do not see those posts, they are not the posts you are looking for.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
bringonthecats.com, K-State's SBnation blog where I hang out during games.
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
...
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
by MeatGeek on Jan 11, 2012 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
How do we move this to the top of these posts?
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
bringonthecats.com, K-State's SBnation blog where I hang out during games.
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
Imagine if we could
We’d save a lot of trouble here.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
+1
By now I hope most understand that a lot of the opinions I express are not meant to actually change another’s mind. As a lawyer, it took me a long time to learn that it was rarely the brilliance of my arguments which change minds. Folks change their mind if and when they are ready to change their mind, based on considering different facts, scenarios, and their own life’s experiences. I understand that I can at times be strident, obnoxious, (insert many other adjectives here). Sometimes that is intended. Sometimes I do it knowing it will make the listener pissed. But I rarely TRY to do it with the belief that my conclusion is the only correct one. Conclusions rarely piss me off — it is how folks get to where they are going which can set me off.
oh hail the Purple and White
Another big name leaves TWWL
ESPN is losing big names left and right to CBS and FOX. Wonder what is going on in Bristol, CT that so many big names want out…
I've heard they have over spent on all their rights deals
And don’t have money to retain talent.
I heard this as an explanation as to why they seem so hell bent on killing at least on conference. The ease of travel for crews and gear eats up so much of their budget. The B12 was the defacto choice. We’re just a bunch of flyover states after all.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
Well thats actually a helpful sign
I’ve heard they have over spent on all their rights deals
I dont want them to have any money to spend when the Big 12 contract comes up so we can get a better deal with FOX or NBC
They want to kill two conferences, (IMO)
the B/12 and B/East.
oh hail the Purple and White
I don't think you're wrong
I can’t see anyone paying anything for the cluster the BEast has become.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
And the reason is --
they will use the conference championship game (of four BIG conferences) as the first round of a “playoff” everyone pines for. GREAT! Be careful what you wish for.
oh hail the Purple and White
They have too much invested in the LHN to let the Big 12 die.
No other conference will have them, so the only choice is to let us live. They want to renegotiate the Tier 1 deal this summer, so that tells me they want to keep us alive.
The Big East will die. It’s a question of ‘when’ and not ‘if’ and how many of their teams we’ll absorb at this point (2 or 4).
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I think there will be a sentiment that UConn is ultimately desirable.
Louisville/Cincy/WVU delivers the entirity of the Ohio River Valley. Rutgers and UConn get us into NYC. UConn gets us into New England.
I think we ultimately get to 14 teams with the ACC and SEC.
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That would make a lot of sense
Do you think B1G and Pac-12 stay at 12 then? They have historically seemed content to stay smaller than the other “big” conferences, but I’m not sure they can handle being smaller now (at least PAC-12 can’t).
Not sure who either would pick up either. UConn & Rutgers only Possible additions to B1G that fit within conference rules. Pac-12 atleast has some more options (luring BYU somehow, picking up UNLV, Nevada, Utah State, or New Mexico) but those are weak options at best.
The alliance between the Pac-12 and Big Ten is tidy at the moment, and most likely squashes their desires for further expansion.
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Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain
Especially since the P12 doesn't have any good candidates and the B10 probably thinks it can pick off whoever it wants at any time
Thus, no hurry. They can wait to see if Notre Dame ever becomes interested.
I am hoping for a big deal from NBC
so that NBC can grease the wheels for ND to join the Big 12 in at least a major partnership if not even a place in the conference.
For all that they hype up the basketball side of things, I'd find it hard to believe
ESPN wants to kill the Big East. Now perhaps they want to kill the football side of things and still be able to cater to their NorthEast, NewEngland demographic with the college basketball side of things exclusively.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Kinda my thinking too
get the Big East back to a major BBall only conference that maybe plays FCS football
This^
You’re right, GT. ESPN started out in the early 1980s showing Big East basketball. It’s played right there in ESPN’s backyard, they have deep roots with the Big East, no way they want the basketball side of the conference to die. That said, the football side can die without the conference – originally formed by the private, non- (or D-III) playing football schools – taking a dirt nap.
In that case I wouldn't call it killing the Big East but rather
“cleaning it up” haha. I have great respect for what a school like USF has been able to do, and to a lesser degree Cinci and Louisville finding a way to be relevant 1-3 years in the past decade, but frankly patching together a group of schools like that and passing it off as a “superior” product to the hayday of the MWC with TCU-AFA-BYU-Utah all duking it out is just proposterous. If those schools stayed where they were I think they might actually get their regional benefits and BCS bid too next year. Though that’s not to say I wish TCU was still in the MWC. I actually kind of like them in our league (as well as WVU too).
Mini-rant over.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
None of this is a big deal
ESPN will just groom another “personality”. It isn’t so much what is going wrong in Bristol as it is what “right” money CBS put in front of Rome (who is a douche anyway). ESPN is fine – they are mainstream now (and I believe owned by ABC).
by CT-K-Stater on Jan 11, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
I hope you are just missing the /sarcasmbutton
ESPN is fine – they are mainstream now (and I believe owned by ABC)
EPSN has been “mainstream” for close to 20 years now, and been around longer. Also been owned by Disney/ABC for a long time too…
No,
that was in response to Black mentioning they don’t have money to retain talent. Having the money and wanting to spend the money are two separate things. And by mainstream, I mean that – although it has been a big factor in sports fans’ antennae since the late 1980s/early 1990s (when I was beginning college) – they are past the point of being a genre channel and mainstream in the sense that ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX are mainstream. They are a brand like Coca-Cola. That’s all.
Didn't Jim Rome start out on FOX?
aka - Hell Dancing
First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)
by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 11, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
That sounds right
at first it looked like a big coup for CBS and a big loss for ESPN, but the more I hear about it, and the more talks it sounds like Rome is a money chaser, always looking for a bigger payday to piss off more people
I've always thought Rome was just a loud mouthed jerk.
aka - Hell Dancing
First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)
by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 11, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed. I've never liked his shows
and could never stand to listen to him for more than a few minutes at a time. I’m there with Skip Bayless now too.
F Skip
He is the epitome of an announcer that loves the sound of his own voice, to the point that if something interferes with that sound he will just raise the decibel level.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 11, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
My thoughts as well...I never heard anything interesting listening to him
It is like a radio soap opera for guys or something…no insight.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Jan 11, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
true dat
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Jan 11, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
I like mocking him
I find his delivery style frickin’ annoying. So ESPN losing Rome to me…huhu….please…clones…look….I’m gonna pause between every word…
Oh wait my original point. ESPN losing Rome makes me probably like them more.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
That sounds right
at first it looked like a big coup for CBS and a big loss for ESPN, but the more I hear about it, and the more talks it sounds like Rome is a money chaser, always looking for a bigger payday to piss off more people
So there are at least two quailty assistants looking for work
Penn State’s Jay Paterno and Tom Bradley
I know HCBS really loves his O-Coordinators, and I really don’t mind the guys, but some “fresh” blood might be nice. And maybe we could figure out a way to convince Bill O’Brien to hire Chris Cosh so we can hire Tom Bradley…a significant upgrade IMO, and someone who could lead this team in the future.
#Cosh4PennState
#Bradley4KSU
by jtarkman on Jan 11, 2012 9:09 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Another assitant looking for a job
Willie Martinez at OU leaving so Mike Stoops can come in.
He’s been top man at good defensive schools (Georgia, OU) and would have to know a little of the “Snyder Way” from coaching in the conference and being on Bobby’s staff.
Too bad we all know Cosh isn't going anywhere
His guys did end the season well though, I have to give him credit for that.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
BOYCOTT ESPN!
Yeah, but how much of that was the massive upgrade in talent
in the form of Arthur Brown and Nigel Malone?? His schemes were still pretty terrible, and he doesn’t seem to be able to stress fundamental tackling very well either.
I think he was referring to the performance in the Cotton Bowl
I too have to give him credit for that. I’m with you Sean T on that note.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I don't disagree that the unit played VERY well during the Cotton Bowl
but there were still some bad schematic miscues (i.e. the 45 TD pass over ABrown w/o backside help).
I said it at the time, the D kept us in that game, and won a couple others (Miami, Baylor), but it was still the weak link, and that starts at the top.
yup, there were some schematic miscues for sure
I’d like to rewatch that AB play, b/c I think part of the mismatch came b/c it was a corner blitz or something. So we knew going in it was a bit of a gamble. But I’m not 100% on that, my memory may be run by my subconscious right now trying to protect opinion.
I don’t like standing up for Chris Cosh, but I’m actually willing to concede that play because over the course of the game something similar to that (not necessarily resulting i a TD) is almost always bound to happen. All gambles (blitzes) aren’t always going to pay off. They’re likely to hurt you once in awhile…I’m also not saying I was ok with the result of that play, but reality was outside of not calling that blitz, there was no way around that.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
True. And I always err on the side of being aggressive
That’s a very valid point you bring up, and against a slightly slower or weaker receiver/passer combo ABrown would have been able to defense that play. As it was, you have an NFL caliber QB throwing to an All-SEC and AA WR…that’s pretty tough to defend.
He had a good game, but looking at the totality of his resume really makes me want to see a change at that position for the future.
Cosh is still accountable even though the defense improved...
Of course the D will improve when you infuse more talent, but a good coach can get more from the players than their athletic ability alone – he should be a force multiplier. I see the improvement in the D as proportional to the talent increase, with no value added by Cosh as the coach….that is why he needs to go. Auto-rec still in effect.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Jan 11, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You get a rec from me here, bro
A very solid one. Well stated.
I need to find that play
b/c as I state, maybe I’m standing up for a moot point. It may have not been a blitz at all on that play.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Right, I meant the Cotton bowl
The TD over Brown was a terrific playcall to take advantage of a D that had worked fine to that point. The most amazing part about that was how close a LB was to stopping it!
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
BOYCOTT ESPN!
This loss to Baylor really stings
We played about as good as we could have on the offensive end, but for the turnovers, (and Baylor basically caused them) but lost the game. We have little chance to beat Baylor in Waco and now are essentially out of the big 12 race unless we can win in Columbia, which we all know is not possible. The travel by Gipson at the end kept me up through the night. And the push off by PJ3 on JHR was pretty obvious also and not called. Hard to swallow a loss like that.
A game we should have won….would have majorly boosted our rpi. Hope we bounce back like last time.
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I think lousy defense contributed more ot that loss than turnovers
though both were big. Just like in the WVU game, the Cats were one or two defensive stops away from winning that game. Our guys had some big leads (10 at one point) and kept letting Baylor back in the game. They just didn’t shut down Baylor the same way they did Missouri.
We lost that game for a multitude of reasons, but can be boiled down into one concept:
We could not play solid basketball as a team for more than 5 minutes at a time. We would completely lose focus for 120 seconds at a time and cough up all the gains we just made.
I’ll get to it in greater detail when I get around to the post-game writeup over lunch today, but we did things that we could absolutely not afford to do against this Baylor team – specifically, giving up steals at the half-court line as well as not converting at a high enough efficiency off Baylor’s turnovers – and that’s why we lost. If we played our game for a full 40 minutes, we win by 20. I’m not troubled by how close the rebounding was.
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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We are inconsistent, as you said, but
in those spurts, we were awesome. You could see Rodney wanted the ball at the end to win and that shows growth by him I suppose. I just don’t see a young team like our getting a whole lot better on offense than we played last night. Defensively is another story.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
That is the difference between a consistent winner and a troublesome up and comer...
When you go on a 6 – 10 point surge, you hold serve for a few minutes then go on another surge – that is the winning formula against good competition. That is what KU has done for years – go on a run, don’t give up anything, go on another small run, don’t give up anything, etc. Win by 18.
We have shown the ability to surge, but not the ability to hold serve while we catch our breath.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Jan 11, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Just a sickening lost opportunity ...
When your 4 point lead with under 4 minutes to play turns into a 2 point deficit in about 15 seconds because you turn it over in the backcourt two straight times, you know you don’t deserve to win.
Agree that rebounding numbers aren’t as much of a bother because there were so few rebounds to be had by anyone. Which speaks to problems with defense (and easy Baylor baskets off bad turnovers).
Silver lining is that McGruder is really turning into a scorer. He’s showing the mid-range game that we all hoped he would develop. Doing it against MU was like doing it against little kids. To follow that up by doing the same thing against Baylor is a big deal.
Time to start chewing up the conference schedule.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 11, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
And Baylor is, officially, different this year.
Pierre Jackson has made them that way. It’s a whole new identity. I think they’re winning the conference.
Your typical Baylor team (mentally) would have lost by 15 last night.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 11, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not too upset with the loss
Yes it was right there at our fingertips several times and we couldn’t pull through, but if this examplifies a floor to this team I see that as a good thing. I think we are right where I set my expectations year in and year out with HCFM: no worse than 4th in this conference. Although with 10 teams that doesn’t sound as good as it once was. I see us having 3rd place potential.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
This isn't the floor, that turd in Lawrence is the floor.
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touche...I sort of meant from here forward
I knew there were much worse performances from last night. I was trying hard not to think of any in particular…but yea something that just happened less than a week ago, not sure how I didn’t even think of that.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I hope you're right, but I have seen more than enough out of this team to know they're fully capable of losing to anyone in the league (except for TT)
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My kingdom for consistency!
The Cats haven’t played 40 consistent minutes in any game this season.
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I don't know that I have watched ANY team play a consistent 40 minutes all season
if you want to get technical. Every game I have watched has resulted in both teams having some kind of drop off in their play at least for a little bit (maybe only a few possessions, but still).
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 11, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
I think we can beat Mizzou in Columbia
It was evident to me that they were completely over marched underneath against us and our defense played much better. Granted. They did miss a lot of jump shots they normally make which I think contributed to the margin of victory. A win in Columbia would be tough but it’s do able.
Unfortunately the loss last night leaves little margin for error if we are going to be in the conference title picture. I think we can only afford to drop 1 more game. 2 at the most and I’m thinking that one game will be in Waco but its gonna take outstanding road performances. I just don’t see KU dropping more than 3 games since they are almost certainly going to march out of Lubbock tonight with a 3-0 record…
by Kohawk84 on Jan 11, 2012 9:34 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Cats CAN beat anyone in the conference (except @ KU)
But they won’t because they are totally unable to play focused for the whole game. I like a fully focused KSU team against anyone in the country.
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The conference winner is probably going to have 4 or 5 losses.
We don’t have MUCH room for error, but we’re not completely out of it.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 11, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
This means we have to beat KU at home and Baylor in Waco.
We can still win it, but we had a much higher percentage of beating Baylor here than there. Now we’re going to have to go get that one.
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With two losses currently, we can afford two more.
Now I think we have to beat KU in the OOD, but I truly think Scott Drew will find a way to derp it up to 4 or 5 conference losses. Given that, even if we lose to them in Waco, I think we at least have a SHOT to win a conference title with a 14-4 record (assuming at least one road loss other than Baylor). I think that’s enough to get it done.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 11, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
I don't trust this team to not piss away some games they shouldn't
@ ISU, @ OSU, @ A&M. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if they lose this weekened.
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we beat KU in the OOD I can really care less about what happens after that
it would be gravy to me at that point…
Ok in reality I know I’d be disappointed if we got snubbed an NCAA tourney berth, but you know what I mean.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
We were going to have to beat ku at home anyway ...
And frankly, I’ll be a danger to myself that day if we don’t. This KSU team should absolutely beat this ku team in MHK.
Odds are, we’re going to have to get the win in Waco to get past Baylor. For a team that lacks serious offensive firepower and has to grit wins out most days, that is not a good place to be.
The conference race is 90% over for KSU, imo. The conference season is still going to be wildly entertaining and I think we still end up with a great resume, but this loss is like wearing a noose around your neck all year where the regular season championship is concerned.
We need to rip off 5 straight wins and head into the @ISU game with real momentum. Starts @OU where they aren’t very good, but their whole season is 100% on the line.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 11, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
I still think that if we limit our conference losses to 4--or maybe even 5--we have at least a shot at the CC.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 11, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
jmo ... finishing with 4 losses at this point would be epic for this team. That would be awesome.
I’ll be rooting for it.
Five losses is significantly more within the realm of possibility, but would also be a great feat. It very well could be good enough for a tie for first.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 11, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
My problem, with regard to the conference title chase, is that ...
when I multiply chances of KSU going 13-5 with the chance that nobody goes 14-4 or better, it’s not a big % at all. I’m ready to be wrong about that.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 11, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
All teams are going to have to bring it every night.
The team with the most mental discipline is going to win the conference this year. Right now that is looking like the icky team to the east and Baylor. But I need to see more games from KU since they did lose to Davidson.
K-State can still win it, but right now just too up and down regarding game play.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 12, 2012 5:51 AM CST up reply actions
The conference season is still super early
I don’t see how you can say our chances our mostly over. There are still a lot of games left to be played, and every team still has plenty of losable games left on the schedule.
Sorry ...
That’s just the gut feeling I have about trying to catch up to Baylor.
I don’t mean it’s impossible. But I’m weighing my evaluation of KSU in as well. For every game Baylor might derp-up (which I think is less likely this year than most), KSU has at least an equal chance of doing that as well (again, my opinion).
In terms of winning the conference championship, this was a game that was devastating to lose.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 11, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
I totally agree
You can’t lose at home and win the big 12. Just not going to happen.
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Well the Cats for sure can't lose any MORE games this year at home
if we hope to win, or at least compete for, a conference title
Unless you make it up with road wins
Win @Baylor and everyone forgets this game.
But I agree, it’s probably not going to happen. Unlike some people here, I never thought it would happen this year, which is why I’m not nearly as upset.
Remember a couple of years ago when UT started 17-0 and everyone was slobbering all over their knob?
What happened to that team? Didn’t they go on to lose 10 games?
Not saying that is what will happen to Baylor, but anything is possible. And people on here keep talking about how soft Baylor is, and how douchy Scott Drew is, so there’s always that.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 11, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Wait, reading that Bryan Hickman article it said Snyder was at practice tuesday. They
can practice now?
It happened right before the cotton bowl.
that’s when the article was from.
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Article was dated Jan 4, 2012.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 11, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
It was confusing for it to me mentioned in today's slate
when it was made known early last week. But since he was talking about Vince, it did kinda make sense to remention Hickman here.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 11, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
I had been waiting for one of the newspapers to do a story about it...
…and didn’t realize the Mercury had done so. Don’t check the Mercury’s Web site every day.
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by TB on Jan 11, 2012 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
they actually have some decent stuff too
I catch myself every once and awhile forgetting about them.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Anyone notice that the RPI Gamer predicted the score to be Baylor 74 Kstate 73?
Not bad
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Great article on Jordy
I drove from Manhattan over to Beloit just yesterday. Passed the restaurant, and didn’t know it. Pretty country, as always.
oh hail the Purple and White
It's not bad food if you're out that way.
I wouldn’t make a special trip for it, but I ate it and survived.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
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Jordy and Sproles
(and to an extent, Freeman) have really helped the perception of KSU football with their success. Both are beloved by NFL fans everywhere.
oh hail the Purple and White
Agree 100%
Class acts and good players. Need a few more like them in the NFL.
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I'm hoping they return some of that success back to K-State
in the form of large donations. They are, after all, multi-million dollar athletes, and probably take care of their money. Least hey could o is help build the new press box!
The new press box will be built by crazy high ticket prices for the new seats...
Got the .pdf yesterday – $11,000 per seat for the box and $7,000 per seat at club level (5 year commitment required). Compared to other venues maybe not that much, but quite a bit just the same.
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by mac attack ict on Jan 11, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
You are correct - I was just hijacking your thread to indicate I thought the new box prices were high.
Please accept my sincere apologies and it won’t happen again for the rest of the day…I think.
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by mac attack ict on Jan 11, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
I can see Jordy, Sproles and maybe Daniel Thomas
Giving back but for Freeman K-State was just a launch pad that he wants nothing to do with now
by EMAW 4 Ever (iphone) on Jan 11, 2012 3:42 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
He was at the Golden Cats reception for the Cotton Bowl
wearing his purple.
Plus we have some guys that are pretty well off working at ConocoPhillips, and while they aren’t necessarily football, they could still pitch in something. Gotta go where the money is!!!
And some of the engineering and business admin alumni
I know a few of them make pretty good dough!!!!!
Us lowly A&S grads can only look on and encourage….
Well if you get my order right ...
/a&s graduate
/hope the humor comes across
/since I already opened up a can of warms
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'd love to be one of the guys at COP doing well enough to give back a bunch
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WHERE IS MY FREE ENTERTAINMENT??!?!??!?!??!!!1
I DEMAND A POSTGAME RECAP BY NOON!!!!!
GAHH!!!
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ITS POSTED!!!!! ACTUALLY HAD WORK TO DO TODAY!!!!
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Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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Just spitballing here... the conversation above made me think of this..
How about a 16 team playoff?
-2 automatic entries from the major 5 conferences (B12, BIG, PAC12, SEC, ACC). This removes a conference title game, where as north winner and south winner get the auto bid. For conferences who don’t have divisions, take the top 2 teams. This gives us 10 teams.
-1 automatic bid from the Big East and Mountain West. Team at the top of the standings goes. No championship game.
- 4 At-large bids determined by a system like the BCS/RPI/whatever. This rounds it out the 16 teams. Seed order determined by same BCS/RPI/whatever system.
All regular season games end before Thanksgiving. Start the season a week earlier if you have to. All FBS schools to play 12 Games. Hell, if you wanted to make things more interesting, no more scheduling FCS teams and mandate scheduling of BCS level teams. Have the BCS/RPI/whatever penalize teams who don’t play worthwhile schedules.
Round 1 starts Thanksgiving weekend.
Round 2 is the week of normal conference championship games
Round 3 is New Years Day
Final Championship Game is a week after.
No other bowls. Set up NIT-like tournament for remaining top 16 teams. 70 teams is too much for postseason play.
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Or if you want an 8 game playoff
Keep regular season as is.
Take the 5 major conference champions – conference title game winner a must.
Have top teams from BE and MWC play a cross conference championship game – winner gets autobid.
2 at large teams – top remaining 2 teams in the BCS/RPI/whatever rankings. Both can not be in same conference.
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I like the idea of not playing FCS teams
I have been saying that for a few years now, I think its a joke. And I do like the idea of playing 1 BCS level team every year, even if it is Vandy, Duke, NC, KU (if you are not in the Big 12) you know, the teams that are known as having well below average football teams.
But there are legitimately some FCS teams that are better than some of the FBS teams you mentioned.
Take a look at Sagarin’s rankings. He lumps PBS and FCS in together for a total of 246 teams. There are probably 20 or more FCS teams that ultimately ended with a better Sagarin ranking than the bottom of the barrel FBS teams.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 11, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
Ok...
How about BCS conference teams shouldn’t be allowed to play them. There are probably still a couple that are ranked lower than some FCS teams but if they need to be playing D2 teams to get wins then they probably shouldn’t be playing D1 ball… Just my opinion though.
You have to love these coaches and their polls...
so its the end of the season and we finish behind Baylor…who we beat. We deserved 11 or 12 not 15/16. And I feel bad for Bishop as he had to relive his screw job for the Heisman again with RGIII’s win.
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Martin's a terrific ambassador for the school, but I think he's doing a disservice to his players by blaming them for the loss to Baylor
http://videos.kansas.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=128440571
The coaching staff lost the game because the team wasn’t prepared for anything other than to devour the Baylor zone (which, to their credit, they did), and because the coaches can’t get their guys to play more than 10 straight minutes of focused bball in any game this season.
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We all know how emotional of a guy Frank is, especially after a tough loss like that
You catch him in the heat of the moment and he’ll say the first thing on his mind, not the more reasoned thoughts that you would probably get at the post-game press conference or the next day. I wouldn’t read into these comments too much, you could tell in his voice how frustrated he was, and he just said something he shouldn’t have at the time. I bet he regretted he said that by the time he got back to the locker room. And I bet if you asked the players at the same moment, they would have said the same thing, would have blamed themselves.
I think you're a little harsh on Martin's take.
Our defense came to play. The thing that killed us were the turnovers, especially from our guards. If they’d have taken care of the ball better, we’d see a possible 10-12 point swing in our favor. THAT’S what killed us – not our game plan.
Nobody should be expected to play 40 minutes straight of mistake free basketball. It doesn’t work that way.
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The guys know he just says things because he cares
Plus he was absolutely right in every comment. There are no excused for the turnovers late in the game.
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The specific stretch where we went from a 61-57 lead at the under-4 timeout ...
to a 61-63 deficit in about 15 seconds because of two terrible turnovers was when we owned that loss.
The extra travel by Gip (negating a sure go-ahead basket late) and Walton somehow stripping Angel cleanly when Angel looked 100% home free for a game-tying basket was extra salt in the mortal wound. That turned a terribly disappointing loss into an excruciating, terribly disappointing loss.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 11, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
I'm also not convinced that Gip actually traveled right there either.
Didn’t look like a travel in person, and still didn’t when I rewatched it after I got home from the game.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 11, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
I thought so also
and considering how open Jam was left, it shouldn’t have been called. Their D failed on that one and they were bailed out at a critical juncture.
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While I do think he travelled ...
I agree that, in this day and age, that was a huuuuuge bailout call for Baylor. The % of times that play is let go, especiallly in that situation, is really high. Like so high it shocks you when it’s called.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 11, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Did you take note of Frank's prolonged reaction to it?
He spent a few seconds standing immediately behind the guy who called it repeating “unbelievable” in his ear.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 11, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Like I said below
if Frank said something is wrong, there is probably something wrong. He doesn’t whine like some coaches do. He just yells at his players for committing fouls or violations. If he’s mad at a call, its because he truly believes it was a bad call. One of the big things I love out Frank outside his actual coaching
I watched it like 5 times last night, and I don't see anything that would be considered a travel
There were actually two travels called on Gip that were this way. The first one LOOKED a bit goofier, but I still don’t think he walked. The second one (and one that prevented the tying bucket) was definitely not a travel according to my eyes.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 11, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
The first one you're referencing - the up-and-under move
is a fundamental post move. It’s one of the first moves you’re taught as a big man. It absolutely was NOT a travel.
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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The 2nd move, end of game
left foot planted, moved right foot, then picked up pivot foot as he started to throw the ball. Most refs will call travel when pivot foot leaves the ground.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 12, 2012 2:49 AM CST up reply actions
No one mentioned the intentional foul on Jamar
I know one can argue he was still going for the ball but what ever happened to flagrancy? That was an obvious hard hit out of frustration that, against a smaller guy could have caused harm. I used to ref and I would call that every time.
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Well the whole arena thought that should have been called
including Frank. I always say, if Frank thinks something should be called he’s probably right. He isn’t one to needlessly b*tch at the refs for every call, and usually agrees with them. The way Jamar went flying, without flopping, is indicative of how hard that foul was, and why it should have been called flagrant
Agreed.
It was clearly a foul our of frustration. Yes he may have gotten some ball, but there was a whole lot of hip, side, and arm that he got as well.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 11, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
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by mac attack ict on Jan 11, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
The boogey-man is screwed.
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Who's going to the women's game tonight at 7 against Missouri?
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/010912aab.html
I’m looking forward to it. I think I’ll have nice crowd there. It helps it’s free for students!
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I've thought about going
but I’m still undecided. Should be a good game though.
I was at the A&M game and was disappointed with fan turnout, so I don’t want to have to eat my own words by not showing up when I can still flash my old ID card and get in for free!
I think I might go
But I say that a lot.
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It was a really nice game
Lady Cats were on fire from 3, and even Mariah White, who couldn’t (or wouldn’t) shoot at all last year was nailing them.
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/011112aab.html
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Yesterday in the links people were bashing on david ubben
And today in the links on the big 12 he recognized kirk bolhs (something close) and barry tramel as the football writer of the year in there respective stats (tx and ok) but forgot to mention kevin haskin who also won the award in kansas.
by EMAW 4 Ever (iphone) on Jan 11, 2012 4:27 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
How is Brent Venables taking this slap in the face....it is time to spread your wings son
and come on home
what slap in face are you referring to?
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 11, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
oh yeah...duh
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by Jeremy Sharp on Jan 11, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
Only a few minutes into the MU @ISU game.
Royce White is looking very good, he’s going to be a hard match up.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2012 7:12 PM CST reply actions
not sure about IA-State strategy in the last minute.
76 Missouri
69 Iowa State
Missouri used almost the entire shot clock from about a minute down, then Missouri made a 2 point shot on an 2’ shot. Iowa State answered with a 3 followed by a time out at 22.0 seconds, score 72-69. Foul at 21.2 seconds, Denmon shoots 2 and makes 2, 74-69. Iowa State shoots and misses a three, MU rebound and Iowa State foul at 12.7 seconds. Denmon shoots 2 and makes 2, 76-69. Iowas State shoots three and misses, tie up on the rebound, Missouri ball out of bounds. Final score 76-69 Missouri wins.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
He is tough to handle down low.
I say foul him and foul him HARD, because he is terrible at shooting free throws.
Congratulations to Wyatt!
http://www.kstatesports.com/genrel/011112aaa.html
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Lawyers on board, please translate
Does this mean “force to settle, come to agreeable terms and get it over with”?
"Nor yet in Dell?"
"non-binding mediation"
Not a lawyer, but it sounds to me like the judge just ordered them to sit down and talk to each other to see if they could come to an agreement. No actual news there.
Yeah, pretty much
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by TB on Jan 11, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
I think the modifier "non-binding" is superfluous
Mediation, by its very definition, is not binding. It involves a proceeding where the opposing parties meet with a neutral party, the mediator. The mediator alternates meeting with the parties individually, listening to the reasons supporting their position, and then goes to the other side with their proposal. It goes back and forth like that until the parties reach an agreement or one side (or both sides) walk away.
By contrast, arbitration is a binding proceeding. Both sides present their story and a settlement proposal to a neutral party, the arbitrator. The arbitrator then considers what he has heard and chooses one of the party’s proposals and imposes a binding resolution on the matter.
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by TB on Jan 11, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
does the mediation process typically mean things will speed up, or you're closer to an end?
My assumption would be “not necessarily, every case is different”, but those of you more familiar with such might be in position to tell me otherwise.
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Yeah, every case (and court) is different
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by TB on Jan 12, 2012 7:18 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry for the tardiness...Post-Game is now up.
Had shit to do at work, so just got around to it this evening.
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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Just saw the video clip from Frank's interview with Stan after the game.
There’s absolutely no call for him to get snarky with Stan like that. That kind of stuff needs to stop.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 11, 2012 11:27 PM CST reply actions
The positive is that Coach Martin was ticked because we didn't win and he thought we should have won.
The negative is that Coach Martin let the emotions out a little too much.
I like that he lets us know what he is thinking but sometimes TMI.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 12, 2012 5:53 AM CST up reply actions
I just don't think it's appropriate to treat Stan with such disrespect.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 12, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
I'm with you on that.
I’m not going to lose sleep over it, but everyone could do without that stuff and Tue night was actually over the line. If he’s going to do those on-court interviews, he needs to keep it together better than that, just out of respect for the person who is charged with interviewing him.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 12, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Right.
And I think what bothers me most about it, is that he does it to such a “bleed Purple” guy like Stan is.
by Collin's Bloody Elbow on Jan 12, 2012 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
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