BIG 12 OUTLOOK: 01.09.12
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(Note: For some reason, this didn't publish at 6 p.m. as I had intended. Thus, it does not factor in Monday's Bedlam game result.)
After glancing at the standings above, one thought occurs to me regarding the upper half of the conference:
One of these things is not like the others.
That would be the red-hot Iowa St. Cyclones, fresh off a road shellacking of Texas A&M — their first conference road win in more than a year and certainly their most impressive since surprising the Cats in the OOD on Senior Day.
The now-gelling collection of transfers and misfits hasn't quite erased the stink of a loss to Drake, but it's at least calling into question whether that was the 2011 equivalent of Colorado losing to Harvard, then three-timing KSU.
Tests against Kansas and Missouri this week will tell us more about ISU's ability to be a factor, or at least a dark horse, in the conference race. But after what we saw Saturday, would an "upset" of Mizzou in Ames surprise you?
| Seed* | Record* | Tourney* | RPI | Pomeroy | Sagarin | Streak | Best Win** | Worst Loss** | Coach | |
| Kansas | 1 | 17-1 | NCAA | 22 | 4 | 3 | W-5 | Georgetown | Davidson | Bill Self |
| Missouri | 2 | 15-3 | NCAA | 26 | 9 | 10 | L-1 | Illinois | Kansas State | Frank Haith |
| Baylor | 3 | 13-5 | NCAA | 4 | 11 | 13 | W-15 | West Virginia | None | Scott Drew |
| Kansas State | 4 | 13-5 | NCAA | 19 | 16 | 19 | W-1 | Alabama | Kansas | Frank Martin |
| Texas | 5 | 11-7 | Bubble | 76 | 26 | 28 | W-1 | Temple | Oregon State | Rick Barnes |
| Iowa State | 6 | 7-11 | Bubble | 44 | 53 | 54 | W-7 | Texas | Drake | Fred Hoiberg |
| Oklahoma | 7 | 6-12 | NIT | 67 | 76 | 65 | L-2 | Oral Roberts | Cincinnati | Lon Kruger |
| Oklahoma State | 8 | 5-13 | None | 119 | 88 | 92 | L-1 | Missouri State | Pittsburgh | Travis Ford |
| Texas A&M | 9 | 2-16 | None | 225 | 129 | 147 | L-2 | St. John's | Rice | Billy Kennedy |
| Texas Tech | 10 | 1-17 | None | 189 | 209 | 198 | L-2 | Troy | DePaul | Billy Gillispie |
Note: As any of these numbers change, I will bold and color-code them to indicate direction of change.
Team names that are colored indicate a change in seed.
(green = upward, red = downward)
*Predicted
**According to RealTimeRPI
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Discussion
Meanwhile, there's a certain delicious irony in watching all the football factories slide to the bottom of the standings, including perennially overrated Texas, preseason favorite/flop Texas A&M and flavor-of-the-month Oklahoma.
If ever there was an argument for the Big 12 Tournament remaining in Kansas City perpetually, it's certainly advanced by the presence of the former North schools* in the top half of the chart.
(*And fellow Forlorn Five member Baylor, which doesn't really advance my argument, so ignore them, dammit.)
By the way, the tie between Baylor and Kansas State is a tie that I broke with preseason prediction, so the Cats just as easily could be destined for a No. 3 seed (or better.)
Now, time for a mea culpa. Apparently, I accidentally used last season's final Sagarin rankings instead of the current version when I did the previous installment of BIG 12 OUTLOOK.
That's why Baylor was so dissed, Texas was so high and the results were so screwy. I owe Jeff Sagarin an apology.
As you can see below, the net result of that derpage on my part is a whole bunch of switching back to the previous game predictions from a week ago. Luckily, none of the incorrect changes affected the overall game picks.
GAMER: Now has Iowa State winning at Texas Tech and Kansas State winning at Oklahoma State.
Pomeroy: Now has Oklahoma winning at Texas A&M.
Sagarin: Now has Baylor winning at Iowa State, Oklahoma State and Texas A&M; Iowa State losing at Oklahoma; Kansas losing at Missouri and winning at Texas; Kansas State losing at Baylor and winning at Texas A&M; Missouri losing at Baylor, and winning at Texas and Texas A&M; Oklahoma winning at Texas A&M; Oklahoma State losing at Oklahoma and winning at Texas A&M; Texas losing at Baylor, Kansas State and Missouri; Texas A&M losing at Oklahoma and Texas Tech; and Texas Tech losing at Oklahoma.
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Self-Evaluation
Successful picks are all about timing. Had K-State faced Missouri on Wednesday instead of Saturday, that would have gone into the record books as a hit for me.
Instead, the computers overreacted to the Lawrence implosion and fed me a second whiff — on top of the Iowa State win in College Station, which no statistical model ever was going to predict — to really salt the wound.
But like I always say, if that's the price I gotta pay to see the Cats whomp on people, I'll pay it gladly. I'm just hoping it sorts itself out soon as the systems start to figure out that certain defecting/SEC teams are pretty overrated.
From 6-12 to 2-16, it appears they're at least starting to get the message where Texas A&M is concerned.
Ironically, my incorrect Sagarin prediction was the only one to predict correctly that the Cats would win.
P.S. What's with all the losing teams scoring exactly 49 points? When did this league become so defensive and/or offensively challenged? What are we, the Big Ten?
Cumulative pick record: 7-3 (.700)
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Key
Results are plugged into this wonderful tool to generate the predicted records and seed order. Winners are predicted by a best-of-three system comprising three statistical prediction models:
- G — RealTimeRPI GAMER (an advanced statistical prediction model, claiming 76.8-percent accuracy)
- P — Ken Pomeroy's rankings (predicts a probability outcome for each game remaining)
- S — Sagarin pure points predictor rankings (home-court advantage is taken into account)
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Why are the computers so high on KU?
Is their D THAT good that the computers love them?
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I can't explain the computer results...
but I’ll guarantee you that 17-1 won’t happen.
by hiphopopotamus on Jan 10, 2012 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not mathematician, but I think KU's strong SOS is probably inflating their numbers in this prediction model.
Just a guess.
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To me, the interesting question isn't why ku is evaluated so highly ...
It’s how quickly will the evaluation trend toward reality once ku loses a couple of games? You can throw MU into that as well, as their projected 15-3 is still a joke (but better than the 16-2 of the last projection).
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 10, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Missouri will not win 15 games in conference. Neither will Kansas.
The winner of this conference will be no better than 14-4. I’m betting we have some sort of tiebreaker between two teams at 13-5.
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I'm leaning heavily toward a 13-5 tiebreaker ...
with a decent possibility for a 14-4 champion. Only because the bottom 5 teams are worse, as a group, than I had thought up to a couple of weeks ago. I will be thoroughly disgusted by a KSU loss to any of OU, OSU, a&m, or Tech anywhere (but not saying it can’t happen, obviously) and Texas in the OOD. Those are my bottom 5.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Jan 10, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
This.
OUTLOOK is always screwy the first few weeks because non-con comprises the bulk of the numbers, but not all non-cons are created equal (just ask Mizzou).
We need a couple more weeks of data before conference play, which is far more telling, begins to account for more of the predictive component.
But yeah, as soon as KU drops another game, you’ll see them creep back to the pack.
GAMER isn't.
It has the Hawks losing six games.
The problem is Pomeroy, which has them rated fourth, and Sagarin, which has them rated third.
Unfortunately, majority rules. Pomeroy, in particular, is susceptible to this sort of thing because of how highly he rates offensive efficiency, which the Hawks are perennially good at.
Thank you, that makes a lot of sense
Looking at their schedule, what’s the first game you think they’ll lose? At Texas on Jan-21? At ISU on Jan-28? At MU on Feb-4? They’ll lose, but probably not at home, and certainly not to the bottom 5 in the conference on the road.
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I'm really surprised all three models
are on us tonight. Is it just a result of Saturday’s thumping? One would figure with Baylor undefeated (including some good road/neutral wins) that at least one would peg them tonight. Very interesting. Should be a good/close game, in my opinion. Would love for us to play as well as we did Saturday, but I think we’re in for a much bigger challenge tonight.
Actually, they were on us even before Saturday.
I think it’s just Baylor’s bad track history on the road in conference play and recent history against us (three straight losses), as well as the fact that home-court advantage carries a decent amount of weight in Sagarin and a TON of weight in GAMER.
Good news on all counts
I’m hoping for a good 3 point day from the guards to make life easy for the Cats.
Thank you for doing all of these so often. It’s very interesting.
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BracketCat your work on these is very appreciated.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 10, 2012 9:48 AM CST reply actions
I'm not entirely sure how the best win is judged
But i would say (at least from the eye test) the Missouri game was our best win
by EMAW 4 Ever (iphone) on Jan 10, 2012 12:22 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
You're probably right, but Bama has a better RPI than Missouri, hence they're currently the best win
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