BigXII implosion time line

by Anon_the_younger on Sep 4, 2011 4:35 PM CDT

Expansion time line:

Interesting article from WVU on college football and tv, might provide some background on the current situation.
Dec 5, 1993: As the Big 12 forms, Mizzou expresses interest in the Big 10
1995 Athlon Sports article on the Big 12 forming. aTm wanted the SEC, Texas wanted the PAC10
July 31, 2009: Pac 10 has not looked at expansion Sept 18, 2009: Missouri/Big 12 Network article
Dec 15, 2009: Big 10 starts looking
Dec 16, 2009: Pac 10 will look at expansion
Dec 18, 2009: MO Gov wants Big 10
Omaha World Herald Article time line for UN-L
     January 2010: Nebraska reaches out to Big 10
     May 25, 2010: Secret meeting between Big 10 and UN-L
     June 4, 2010: UN-L ultimatum from Big 12 and phone call from UN-L to Big 10
     June 11, 2010: UN-L announces joining Big 10
June 16, 2010: 10 year agreement signed?
June 24, 2010: CU to Pac 10
July 28, 2010: aTm wants $20 million or else
Jan 19, 2011: LHN agreement annonced
April 13, 2011: Big 12 TV deal with Fox
June 4,2011: Big 12 changes revenue sharing
July 25, 2011: Big 12 Media days (with the message of we are all in this together)
Aug 31, 2011: aTm offical announcement of seeking change (this was after a month or so of rumors)
Aug 31, 2011: Mizzou comments on commitment to Big 12
Sept 1, 2011: aTm rejects Texas offer for network?
      aTm confirmation source article from 8/31/11
      also has some reasons why aTm is wanting to move.more aTm perspective from 9/1/11
      and another article from 9/1/11 including a jab by Osborne about unequal revenue sharing being a problem.
Sept 2, 2011: OU explores options or this Pickens expects OSU to leave
Sept 3, 2011:
      K-State AD says K-State committed to Big 12
      KU dissapointed
      K-State, KU and Mizzou stung by OU comments
      Alden responds to OU
      Article from NY Times
Sept 4, 2011
      Lawyer up time according to Chip Brown
      Pete Thamel disagrees with Chip Brown
      Blog Maverick says Big 12 should stay together

Blackcat found some numbers about K-State:
NBAF funding is $2.5 billion
this is not USDA money, it is DHS
schools requesting access to NBAF include: Illinois, Michigan State, Minnesota, Penn State, Purdue, Wisconsin and Nebraska
Annual Private Donations to General Fund: $107 million (Nebraska: $67 million)

more numbers are in BlackCats' post.

And also consider the schools who can afford the exit fee to leave the BigXII(-3) versus those that can not afford to leave.

to be continued?

Edit:
5 Sep 11 Added articles to Sept 3rd and Sept 4th, 2011
6 Sep 11 Added 18 Sep 2011 article, 1 Sep 2011 articles
24 Sep 11 Added 5 Dec 2011 article
19 Oct 11 Added Athlon Sports article

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I just want this to all be over one way or the other. MWC, Big East, ACC .

by ATL Jim on Sep 4, 2011 4:46 PM CDT reply actions

There is not room in the Big 10 for 2 Wildcats named Willie

by ATL Jim on Sep 4, 2011 4:47 PM CDT reply actions

Yeah but imagine how fun it would be.

When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.

by BlackCats on Sep 4, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions

Keep the remaining five members together

Pool all the exit fees and try to build the conference back up to 12 (adding TCU, Houston, SMU, etc). Basketball would still be good, members would retain a recruiting footprint in Texas and solidarity moving forward would probably be a lot better. Appeal to the NCAA or whoever for retention of our BCS status.
Who knows? Stranger things have happened.

by CT-K-Stater on Sep 4, 2011 5:27 PM CDT reply actions

Doubtful you could get TCU to leave the Big East for that conference

It’d be better to try and pool all the remaining members as a group into a western division of the Big East if you want them all to stick together.

by smitty3268 on Sep 4, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions

If the reconstituted Big-12 could keep its BCS status

I’m betting that TCU would join. It would be much easier travel for all their sports and they would have immediate local rivalries – including one from the old Southwest Conference (Baylor) and possibly others (Houston, SMU). Tough to get fired up about the big football game with UConn or Rutgers. But Houston, Baylor, Mizzou, KSU? I think the Horned Frogs would at least give it some serious thought.

by CT-K-Stater on Sep 4, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions

$$

depends on what they’ve signed and how much $$ they would have to pay to get out of the Big East.

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by Anon_the_younger on Sep 4, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions

+10000

I’m not interested in the BigLeast. We (KSU, Mizzou, KU, Ia/STate & Baylor) should stay in the Big 12, get TCU to stay in the Mountain West, add Houston, and merge with the Mountain west. Do two divisions of 8. Build a real conference. I’m tired of the big boys screwing with us. We would keep our BCS auto thing (although I’m still convinced the BCS is dead in 3- 5 years). The Mountain West is a better football conference, by far, than the Big Least right now. I’m working on a non – drug induced post on this very topic right now. The key is for the forgotten 5 to stick together, and merge with the Mountain West, and for a fair, decent conference that will last for 2-30 years. Get Longhorn and Sooner to pay TCUI’s exit fee from the BigLeast.

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Sep 4, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions

Try to get Louisville to come too, but not likely

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Sep 4, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions

You hit on the point I was making

which is TCU’s penalties for withdrawing prematurely from the Big Least would be more than covered by the exit fees (and possible legal fees) recovered from the UT-OU-TTU-OSU-A&M mass exodus. That cost is minor in the bigger picture. Further, there would be a large pool of money to share between the members for any number of purposes, including rebranding the conference, a conference network, etc, etc. I’m telling you right now this idea is not nearly as crazy as it sounds and you can bet the presidents from ISU, K-State, KU, Mizzou and Baylor are discussing this.
The key thing to remember is that if K-State is in the Big Least – which is positively the worst of the worst in college football – what will happen from a recruiting standpoint? Having TCU in the conference does nothing to secure Texas pipelines when/if UT/TTU are in the Pac-16 and A&M is in the SEC. Are we going to recruit Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont, Maine, upstate New York and hope to bump Notre Dame, Penn State, Ohio State and any number of ACC/SEC schools out of New Jersey for its talent? Yes, we rely on transfers, walk-ons, lots of under-looked Kansas kids, but in being left with no alternative but the Big Least we would lose more and more from our immediate vicinity, and most importantly, Texas.

by CT-K-Stater on Sep 5, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions

The money quote from the Kerhoff article in the KC Star:

"The Longhorn Network was something other schools envied but could live with — even Texas A&M — until ESPN started yapping about high school content and sought a second game to broadcast when the league had agreed to one. The Aggies had enough. They had an option, and the school has decided moving along is worth the risk of ending one of the college game’s best rivalries.

No other major power, not Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, anybody, acts on its arrogance as destructively as Texas."

And not to self-promote, but this from my post entitled "Beergut and the Stoned Ape Theory of Evolution:"

"Because it occurred to me that Deloss and Powers and the guys at ESPN knew – and I mean really, really knew, that when UT and ESPN announced their $300 million deal; that when ESPN and UT announced an intention to air – get this – Texas high school football games on TLN, that this would indeed be a bridge too far for any self- respecting Aggie. I mean, listening to the constant propaganda spewed by the Deathstar is hard for me, a K-Stater, to take. But if I’m an Aggie, and ESPN is constantly promoting Longhorn, and I might have to pay my cable bill knowing that I’m sending 70 cents a month to my hated rival to boot, well – that’s it. It’s over."

I did that post ten days ago. Sometimes, when faced with madness on the level displayed with this re-alignment nonsense, it takes the conventions of literature to reveal some truths.

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Sep 5, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions

I agree about ESPN

and its dirty hands in this. Had TLN been a self-driven device I don’t think you’d see half the animosity towards Texas that is out there. There would still be some based on typical jealousy, but ESPN’s getting into bed with UT intensified those feelings. And then for their vice-president to talk about broadcasting high school games was just shoving it in the face of everybody. I’m not on the Hate-UT bandwagon that a lot of people are – there are many hypocritical and filthy characters in all this – but why unload all this so soon after such effort was made to hold the Big-12 together?

by CT-K-Stater on Sep 5, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions

typo: "last 20-30 years."

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Sep 5, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions

I found the numbers thanks to BlackCats

so I don’t deserve any credit. ;)

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by jonfmorse on Sep 4, 2011 8:34 PM CDT reply actions

another take on the implosion

BlogMaverick

by Anon_the_younger on Sep 4, 2011 10:28 PM CDT reply actions

I'm not sure the stubborn idiots in our conference would listen to an educated, experienced guru.

But I appreciate the posting.

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by Catbacker98 on Sep 5, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions

I read that earlier

Great take and it should dropped on the desks of the presidents and ADs at UT, OU, OSU and TTU.

by CT-K-Stater on Sep 5, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions

Found 1 article

about the aTm and UT network. But there is only 1 source, Deloss Dodds. Wonder if aTm will confirm?

by Anon_the_younger on Sep 6, 2011 6:36 AM CDT reply actions

Bill Byrne did confirm that discussions were had.

Confirmation was in the same place that he said “I wouldn’t have left $150 million on the table.”

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by jonfmorse on Sep 6, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions

Thanks, found the source article along w/ a couple of others

most interesting that TO is making jabs about unequal revenue sharing, I though un-l was always for unequal revenue sharing while they were part of the BigVIII and BigXII.

by Anon_the_younger on Sep 6, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions

Tom Osborne is a hopeless hypocrite when it comes to revenue

sharing. Just hopeless. The deal for KSU was WAY more fair in the B/12 than the B/8.

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Sep 6, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions

I've lost all respect for Osborne.

He used to be my favorite coach, but I don’t brook an unrepentant hypocrite.

Improve every day. (Read it again. It has more meaning than what you first see.)

by K.S.B. on Sep 7, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions

Remember the KU AD saying KU and K-State not tied together

KS BOR says not so fast on that.

For me, this is humorous to the nth degree. As Blackcat has shown there is much upside to K-State on the academic (funding) side of things.

by Anon_the_younger on Sep 6, 2011 8:37 PM CDT reply actions

Yes, that was always complete nonsense and wishful thinking

There’s no existing law that says they have to stay together, but you have to convince the board of regents to allow them to separate.

Personally, I’m not sure they would hold KU back from joining the PAC12 as long as KSU still got a spot in the Big East, but they might. They definitely wouldn’t allow KSU to twist in the wind without a BCS conference while KU got into one like the Big East where they would hold a lot of power.

by smitty3268 on Sep 6, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions