K-State Slate: 9.21.11
by TB on Sep 21, 2011 7:58 AM CDT
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Whew. Big day yesterday. Sorry about the Slate post yesterday, my Internet connection wasn't working yesterday morning. Also, big thanks to BracketCat and Anon for sending me links for today.
Questions over Bryce Brown's health apparently have been resolved, and he is at full speed this week as K-State preps for Miami.
K-State's weekly press conference was yesterday. Quotes are here.
The controversy surrounding the EMAW/EPAW debate continues. I may put my thoughts on this issue into a post later this week.
OK, now...
Yesterday afternoon, NewsOK published a report that Oklahoma was interested in staying in a reformed Big 12, with strict limitations on TLN and a new commissioner to replace Dan Beebe. That was the bombshell that made the salvation of the Big 12 seem possible.
Of course, only a few hours later, the Pac-12 announced it was no longer considering expansion, which raises the question of which came first: OU's demands, or the Pac-12's decision (see below)?. In any event, Texas isn't exactly negotiating from a position of strength, either, because part of the reason the Pac-12 decided not to expand was the inability to reach an acceptable agreement with UT regarding revenue sharing and TLN. Texas' options for acceptable conference affiliation appear to be severely limited at this point.
Of course, that begs the question of where we go from here. The previously discussed merger between the Big 12 and Big East is dead from lack of mutual interest. The Big East has claimed solidarity and is looking at adding service academies and East Carolina, while it's possible BYU will join the Big 12 sooner rather than later.
I don't know much about this site, but apparently it's a lawyer who started a blog during this realignment process to write about the possible Baylor litigation. He takes a look at the Big 12 Handbook, which includes the conference bylaws and rules, and notes several problems he sees. After checking with a fellow blogger who checked with the Big 12, apparently there is no other agreement among the institutions. I would find that at least mildly surprising, and tend to think there may be a little more to the story than what's available in the Big 12 Handbook.
Boone Pickens thinks Texas A&M may yet come back into the fold after "sobering up." Texas A&M replied "nope, we're still completely wasted." While this isn't a new development, Texas A&M isn't going to do a lot for the SEC financially, and it's almost a guarantee the Aggies will get less money in the SEC than they would have received in the Big 12.
Dr. Saturday has a look back at the realignment process, but comes to a much different conclusion than I have. He believes Oklahoma ended up with egg on its face after the Pac-12 decided it didn't want the Sooners. I think it's as likely as not that Oklahoma was using the Pac-12 as leverage against Texas the entire time, and when it made its demands to the Big 12 known yesterday, the Pac-12 realized it was being played and tried to save face (a classic "no, I dumped her, she didn't dump me" situation). Obviously, the timing is paramount. Did the Pac-12 tell Oklahoma "we're good" before Oklahoma made its demands? Given that OU's demands were reported before the Pac-12 came out and said it did not plan to expand, I assumed that my scenario was correct, but I'm open to other interpretations.
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Much of the time, Matt Hinton isn't as smart as he thinks he is.
This is all.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
by K.S.B. on Sep 21, 2011 8:10 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think this is exactly what happened:
“I think it’s as likely as not that Oklahoma was using the Pac-12 as leverage against Texas the entire time, and when it made its demands to the Big 12 known yesterday, the Pac-12 realized it was being played and tried to save face”
With Oklahoma’s demands being leaked out a few weeks ago and now made entirely public, it shows that OU was scheming a way to remove a Texas puppet from the commishioner’s office and to knock Texas down a few pegs.
However, I’d add that Texas has a lot to do with the Pac 12’s decision as well. The Pac 12 wanted BOTH OU and Texas and wasn’t expanding unless it got both. I think the league wasn’t able to get Texas to give up enough power (in regards to the longhorn network). Now add in that several Pac12 schools didn’t want Texas to join. Also add that several Pac 12 schools were very against Texas Tech being included.
The Texas mess alone was possibly enough for the Pac 12 to really take a step back and evaluate things. When OU let it known they were playing both sides to get what they want, the conference said f*ck it
Shit happens when you win championships
Let's not forget the ACC's role in this as well.
They basically took a sniff of Texas and thought twice about the possibilities. This limited UT’s ability to play the “we are going to leave” card. What we have learned is that UT is a wanted commodity but no one wants their trappings. As long as they continue to peddle their poison pill they will not be taken.
Again I go back to a point that I made early in this mess. Texas has yet to realize that the Big 12 is the brand and not UT. Why do you think all of the schools chant S-E-C? Because that league has figured it out. Building a conference brand is much more lucrative and stable in the long run than any one institution’s ego or perceived value. Even ND is beginning to see this as the truth in today’s world. Granted football ineptitude for almost a decade was the impetus for this discovery but they are starting to come around.
If we truly want to remain a conference together we need to rebuild the structure of the conference charter. Equal revenue sharing, Tier rights, et al. should all be up for discussion. Everyone should leave the table willing to endure and live with the outcome of whatever resolution is adopted.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Sep 21, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's a good point
And just fuels the notion that Texas massively overplayed its hand in this whole ordeal
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Sep 21, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I think PAC told Sooner "no go without Tx,"
and since UT wouldn’t change enough on its Network, PAC said “we are good at 12.” But who knows.
I think Sooner wants out. But the B/12, for Sooner and Longhorn, is now like “Hotel California”: — “you can check in but you can never leave.” (old Eagles song).
oh hail the Purple and White
by Furnace76 on Sep 21, 2011 8:23 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, it aint the Beastie Boys
oh hail the Purple and White
Yeah, but, they're the EAGLES
Who doesn’t know The Eagles? Especially Hotel California?
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 21, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, there are some young ones on here
oh hail the Purple and White
You've got to fight, for your right
to tequila sunrises!
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
I am what is likely considered
‘young’ (if not YOUNG) on this site, and I certainly know who is responsible for the song “Hotel California”, along with knowing the lyrics well enough to realize you were off a bit on the wording/phrasing but grasped your well-made analogy immediately.
Perhaps the real lyrics even fit the analogy better: “yOU can check-oUT any time you like, but you can never leave!” :-)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
by VegasCat07 on Sep 21, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's it! I knew I was off a little on the lyrics!
And it is the perfect metaphor for the whole fuckin situation. I (humblely) think it should be rec’d.
oh hail the Purple and White
I think OU made demands for itself and I dont see how this is going to be any different from the
way it has always been and this will rear its ugly head in say 5 years again.
so what would increase the lulz factor the most
a) aTm offer withdrawn by SEC
b) Mizzou to SEc
c) un-l kicked out of B1G
d) ND to a different conference w/ football
e) SEC adds VT
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by Anon_the_younger on Sep 21, 2011 8:29 AM CDT reply actions
I say we bring back Aggie
and kick out Longhorn – let’em go independent. Nothing will ever be fixed with Longhorn around. Ever! Longhorn gone, we could build a conference.
oh hail the Purple and White
by Furnace76 on Sep 21, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes, I have never opposed this structure we had.....
until the last couple of days.
Believe it or not Pitt and Cuse opened my eyes. Stability should be goal #1 for us “have not’s” in this league. It should be ultimatum time, and we need to come to an agreement between “the rest of us” in this league and ask OU if they are in or not.
We already know Bevo’s answer. Our TV contract will not be as lucrative in the short term, but we can concentrate on building our BRAND has a conference for future TV contracts.
Horrible Analogy: Like in the middle east, change is in the air. We did not start this process, but it would be shame on us if we ended up in the same place.
I go to bed
thinking the Big-12 now has a 25% chance of survival and wake up, check my iPad and see the Pac-12 voted down expansion. My, my, my. Still a lot of work to do to heal some wounds and rebuild this conference. I’m getting sick of going through this summer after summer – and worse, during football season.
Meanwhile, who knows what to believe out of Boren’s mouth?
The money quote?
"We were not surprised by the Pac-12’s decision not to expand at this time," Boren said. "Even though we had decided not to apply for membership this year, we have developed a positive relationship with the leadership of the (Pac-12) and we have kept them informed of the progress we’ve been making to gain agreement from the Big 12 for changes which will make the conference more stable for the future."
Are you kidding me?
He's a politician by trade.
Bring on the Cats
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain
by Panjandrum on Sep 21, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
From a PAC-12 person point of view
I would note that the PAC-12 wasn’t too thrilled with expansion to superconferences to begin with. While TX and OU are great schools, the pain in the arse that it causes was not worth the addition. Add in Texas already being hesitant about its LHN, the PAC12 was preferring that the Big12 figure out its problems and stay together.
It seemed the initial impression of OU leaving the Big 12 (at least for me) was that OU was making a pre-emptive move with the desire to escape a sinking ship once A&M left; hence why Baylor was threatening to sue: A&M would start the B12 exodus. At that point the Pac-12 realized that if this were to occur, (the B12 collapsing), then a super conference was the only real response the PAC12 could do as a competitive league.
However, once OU made it apparent it was leaving the option to stay in the B12 open, I think the P12 breathed a sigh of relief and just took the easier route and closed the door of options on OU (and basically TX) for them.
I don’t think the P12 minded being “played” as leverage by OU; the PAC wants the B12 to stick together almost as much as anyone else. I’m guessing the P12 released its statement at this time in part because Missouri remains on the fence. A stabilizing B12 might be able to keep them? They might not be a deal breaker, but the more uncertainty there is, the more teams would become pre-emptive in securing their futures. It would be a snowball effect. The longer the P12 let the rumors come out of Texas persist that a deal was being hammered out and being basically finished, the more teams would freak out and run to secure themselves in a “super conference”.
Thank you UC
Throughout this whole mess I was optimistic there were some wise people on the west coast realizing the same thing we did, this super conference stuff is money-grubbing garbage, and there is no guarantee it will be able to grub any more money than is already available. I have a lot of respect for Scott, even if I don’t like him, and I figured he was too smart to allow schools that add nothing to the bottom line (OSU, KSU, KU, TT and possibly even OU) to join the conference. We’re simply too far away and our states (or followings) are too small to bother with. It makes more financial sense to stick to 12, and get that damned conference championship game.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
Dear anyone with a stick up your ass about EMAW
Get a life. Mankind is not a sexist term.
Sincerely,
Sean T
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
The only thing worse than dumping EMAW for pc claptrap is changing it to EPAW.
Look people, if you’re going to ruin a reclamation of a nice little traditional bit from KSU’s past that isn’t harmful or embarrassing in any way, then just fucking dump it. Unfortunately, there is usually no stopping lame people from going full lame.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Sep 21, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
This.
“Unfortunately, there is usually no stopping lame people from going full lame.”
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 21, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope everyone has been taking notes from Itchy's posting style lately.
Bring on the Cats
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain
Who is driving this "EPAW" claptrap, Mrs. Schultz?
I mean, I’m 57 years old and have lived through all the feminist battles and wars (and they, too, never end!). This is ridiculous.
oh hail the Purple and White
Apparently Beth Mendenhall wrote an opinion article about it in 2009
Collegian article about SaveEMAW campaign
And our first lady is Dr. Schultz, not Mrs.
So she chooses to identify herself by a degree she earned
rather than her marital status? Good for her. Another grand victory for the feminist cause.
oh hail the Purple and White
What's wrong with that?
I would rather be called Dr. than Mr. if I had a doctorate, though I would actually just prefer Chris.
I do think EPAW or hating EMAW is stupid, that is losing sight of the forest because of a blade of grass, IMO.
But I don’t think we should get all in a huff because someone would prefer to be called Dr. instead of Mrs.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Word
I would much rather be called Dr. (Feelgood…) Please don’t ever call me Mrs….It makes me feel like I’m playing high school football again.
by williewildcrack on Sep 21, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't spend eight years in evil medical school....
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Even though she graduated, she just won't go away. Lucky us.
Bring on the Cats
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain
by Panjandrum on Sep 21, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
No kidding
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
This is seriously one of the images that Google pulls up for her name.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
She actually didn’t bring it up. After the article she wrote she stopped talking about. It was pressure from above that caused it to disappear, not Beth.
She is done with that and the process. She has been and is extremely frustrated that she is being drug back into this process.
PS— I don’t care what anyone’s stance is on the issue, I’m just saying Beth has been trying to distance herself until she got dragged back into b/c of the university celebrating her accomplishments (see debate national championship).
She did this to herself, though, with that stupid article.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Thats non responsive, The original comment is that she won’t go away. I said she wants to go away and put this behind her.
You are right that her article deserves the debate that is being had behind it, however, she shouldn’t be and doesn’t neccesarily be considered the champion of the cause.
And yes, she just posted a new article on goEMAW.com, but I know her personally and I can tell you she really wants nothing to do with this process anymore.
I would also say that the admins decision to put pressure on people to change the EMAW thing and stir up the controversy at this moment was not respectful to Beth, as her trip back to Manhattan was meant to be a celebration. My frustration is more with the timing of the decision than anything else.
otherwise I refuse to engage in the merits of the debate
Oh, I blame Mrs. President Dr. Schultz WAY more than Beth.
I just think she made a bed with that article, and now she’s having to sleep in it. I’m also sure that outside of a few wacky ideas like this one, she’s a perfectly pleasant person, with whom most of us would enjoy having a conversation.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
lol, the conversation thing might not be true. Debaters are inherently very socially awkward creatures, IE why I don’t post very often.
But it sounds like we are in agreement, she still has some responsibility in the mess, but is not the champion or advocate of the debate.
Just the one with ability to write articles in the Collegian
I’m still having to hear about the one time I punched a locker in high school, I still hear jokes about it. Not sure why I was mad at the time, but it still comes up anytime I walk the halls of Neodesha. Your remember for what you left…sadly though she isn’t remembered near as well for her Debate national title.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one...
First off, allow me to say that I personally have no problem with “EMAW,” and personally like the slogan.
While I do not agree with the idea that EMAW is sexist, I do understand the argument that has been made against it. I’ve had enough communication and language classes to know that the way we as a society use language, determines how we view the subject of that language. The way we use language is also contingent upon the historical meaning we give to words…in this case, the use of the word Man. Now, you can view the word as (I believe) it was intended in that is all-encompassing of individuals as a whole, but the history of the word as used in that way, can (and sometimes does) subtly exclude women as non-subjects of its use.
For example, it would be easy for most of us to determine if a word was meant in a racist way (with some exceptions), but for the most part, racist words or exceptions are blatantly unacceptable and obviously so. If the traditional slogan had been “Every White A Wildcat” we would be justifiably incensed if someone tried to revive it. Hell, we probably would have apologized for ever even having the slogan to begin with. However, sexist words are a decidedly more subtle form of denigration in our language, and it does not offend me to think that some people might find EMAW exclusionary. While the term “Man” may not have been intended to be sexist, the use of it as an all-encompassing word can be seen as (ironically) exclusionary because it singles out one gender to represent two.
And you know what? People from our university have the right to voice their concern that it might be exclusionary and bring it to the attention of the administration. This is an issue that should be left to the University to determine if they want to be associated with a possibly gender-specific slogan…If realignment has taught us anything, perception is key, and if the University does not want to be associated with the slogan, that is it’s business. Nothing prevents others from making “EMAW” t-shirts, or signs, and nothing prevents others from making (laughably) the alternative EPAW forms of support. A tradition does not have to be recognized by the University to have support.
In other words, this is a non-issue. Can we please get back to discussing football?
by No Moths on Sep 21, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Over the years, the word "Man" has ALWAYS had, as one of its meanings, the universal meaning of "all people."
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
That misses his point, and he was not arguing that it doesn't mean that
While the term "Man" may not have been intended to be sexist, the use of it as an all-encompassing word can be seen as (ironically) exclusionary because it singles out one gender to represent two.
In effect, why was “man” chosen to represent both men and women? Why not Woman? Why not some other word that is specifically gender neutral?
This is question directed not at this specific use of the word, but its use in general throughout history. It is a fair point.
I agree that this is not something we should really be debating. It is a minor quibble, and I for one always support any Wildcat being able to speak their mind, even if I disagree with them. But yes, this is seemingly stupid thing to choose to get offended over, but you have to admit there is merit to the argument.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 21, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
The word "man" has always been used in that way.
It wasn’t chosen by some Committee of the Sexist ManPigs© or something.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Did anyone say that?
You continue to miss the point.
But, since I don’t like banging my head against the wall, I am not going to bother making anymore arguements.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 21, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Making an argument,
that the word “man” should not be used as a universal for mankind is a losing proposition anyways.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
He didn't make that argument
He simply stated he saw the merits of the argument.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
I don't know.
In effect, why was "man" chosen to represent both men and women? Why not Woman? Why not some other word that is specifically gender neutral?
This is question directed not at this specific use of the word, but its use in general throughout history. It is a fair point.
That looks like “making an argument” to me.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Rhetorical questions
Were rhetorical. He was making a case for an argument, not actually doing so.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
Rhetorical questions don't require an answer.
The questions he posed required answers, and were designed to make the argument that “man” was not universal enough, or was sexist in some way.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I admit it's impossible to win an argument with you
Like arguing with a brick wall, but hey that’s how I argue when I sense I’m outmatched. JK JK
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
So you're saying those actual WERE rhetorical questions?
Even though they require an answer? I’m just saying, he wasn’t using rhetorical questions, and did, at least, appear to be making the argument. You say he was “making the case” for the argument, but even if I allow that to be true, there’s not a dime’s bit of difference there, and it’s a stupid argument to try to make a case for.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
It is kind of funny
Has there ever been an argument here that KSB didn’t get the last word in?
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by smitty3268 on Sep 21, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
BOTC - Read the Adventures of the BigXII if you doubt our serious attitude towards sports.
by Anon_the_younger on Sep 22, 2011 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Doubt it.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
Probably right.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I don't know if they required an answer
He wasn’t arguing in favor of them. Just throwing out questions that can be asked. But that’s just how I saw it. You could probably answer them to someone making the argument for that position, but he wasn’t so it’s pointless.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
I was thinking about this same very thing
was “man” chosen because of huMAN? Just shortened? Just a totally random (and most likely incorrect) thought.
by Jeremy Sharp on Sep 21, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Why was "man" chosen as the end of the word "human"?!?
Why not “huwoman”?!?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
definition and origin
hu·man
[hyoo-muhn or, often, yoo‐]
adjective
1. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or having the nature of people: human frailty.
2. consisting of people: the human race.
3. of or pertaining to the social aspect of people: human affairs.
4. sympathetic; humane: a warmly human understanding.
noun
5. a human being.
Origin:
1350–1400; earlier humain(e) , humayn(e), Middle English < Middle French humain < Latin hūmānus, akin to homō human being ( compare Homo); spelling human predominant from early 18th cent.
by Jeremy Sharp on Sep 21, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
but then
do the masculine and feminine forms have the same kind of relationship in other languages? Not that I am aware of.
by Jeremy Sharp on Sep 21, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
not sure if correct
but don’t the latin languages default to masculine for neutral?
there might be language that is gender neutral but I’m not sure what it is.
we could use math and lisp if we need to make things neutral …
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
BOTC - Read the Adventures of the BigXII if you doubt our serious attitude towards sports.
by Anon_the_younger on Sep 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Latin is sexist!
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I Vote We Change It To ESAW
All you manly men can figure that one out.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
When you think of it, it's a unisex saying
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
FIFY
Dearanyone with a stick up your ass about EMAWDear Mrs. President Dr. Schultz
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
^ This is 100% where it's coming from.
If mama ain’t happy…
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
She needs to be informed,
that she is NOT K-State’s “mama.” I’m sick of her schtick.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
As much talk as their is about her
My engineering buddy has taken classes under her(I think that’s what he said) and he never heard any sort of super feminist sentiment from her and usually feminists who want EMAW changed are very vocal about their feminism from my experience. I’m still not entirely convinced the EPAW thing came from her.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
I hear ya...
If only you spelled her name correctly…
No T.
/knowthypresident
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
I'm so ashamed.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
5 years scares me
Up it to 10. Make the exit fees $75-100 million. Add legal implications, make this the toughest place to leave ever. Beebe or no Beebe, make the actual organization of the Big 12 conference a legitimate power in the conference. And follow Pan’s lead and quickly get some schools to make us 12, or better yet, 16. Lets start raiding. Louisville, West Virginia, BYU, New Mexico, UNLV, Memphis, whatever.
Let’s start an I-70 network or something that unites Mizzou, KSU, & KU for basketball games and non-conference football games. It might give us some extra cash and allow us to have leverage.
Let’s also send flowers to Ken Starr. Baylor’s lawsuit absolutely saved the conference by buying us time.
Then lets lawyer up and make sure Texas A&M pays every penny in exit fees.
Then, lets let Bill retire gracefully and quickly and let Currie go get us someone new.
Then, lets build that Basketball facility and let Frank build a dynasty and beat KU 18 years in a row.
by ElephantHouse on Sep 21, 2011 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
didnt Currie help hire Lane Kiffen and Bruce Pearl?
Im just saying, at this point lets let Bill do his thing.
He was in ther regime that hired them...but he wasn't AD.
Also, Bruce Pearl was a GREAT hire.
by WillieWannabe on Sep 21, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
Bruce Pearl was not a bad hire. Yeah the guy fucked up, but he was not a bad hire. I am pretty sure Kiffin was hired after Currie left. Could be wrong though. I am all for Bill being the coach as long as be is able, but he also fucked up the way he left the first time. He better have a better exit plan if he gives two shits about us after he retires.
don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-Bill, or wishing him ill
but I don’t think we really rebuild without some new life. And I think a resurgent Big 12 would be an attractive place to coach in now and we could lure some good talent.
If Bill stays, I’m ok, I just wonder if there is an opportunity here.
by ElephantHouse on Sep 21, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I like a lot of what you said up above
Particularly the I-70 network and the bit about Ken Starr buying us some time. Oh, and of course the demand that we milk every penny of exit fees from A&M. That last bit is a must.
by CT-K-Stater on Sep 21, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's make the Big-12
conference the “Hotel California” of NCAA conferences.
(for full effect of this, refer to Furnace’s post towards the top of this thread)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
by VegasCat07 on Sep 21, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Love it! The HOTEL CALIFORNIA conference ...
PAY the Eagles a little royalty, and see our branding go off the charts, so to speak, and borrowing another metaphor!
oh hail the Purple and White
I love this idea
Hotel California Conference
Slogan: You can check-out anytime you like but you can never leave.
Divisions: (I was thinking to myself this could be Heaven or this could be Hell)
Heaven
Hell
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Perfect - the heaven and hell divisions! And where does BYU go!
oh hail the Purple and White
I'd assume their entrance would be contingent on being placed in the Heaven division
But since Baylor is already here, we can tell them to go to Hell (division).
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 21, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I have the distinct pleasure of making this green.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I didn't see the Dolphins game this week but....
it looks like Daniel Thomas ran for 107 and is now ahead of Reggie Duchebag for the feature running back…good on ya DT!
Saw some of it
DT looked tough, ran really well. Announcers were impressed.
by CT-K-Stater on Sep 21, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
It's been a solid start for higher profile K-Staters in the NFL this year so far ...
Jordy Nelson doing what he do, a Darren Sproles resurgence, and now Daniel Thomas makes a nice little splash the first chance he gets.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Sep 21, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
And Freeman led another comeback last Sunday for Tampa
by CT-K-Stater on Sep 21, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
He's been nails. I actually expect Tampa to come back from virtually any deficit 100% of the time now.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Sep 21, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
He had plenty of practice playing from behind under The PoD
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
by ArkieCat on Sep 21, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also Brandon Banks
had a nice punt return last Sunday for my ’Skins
by CT-K-Stater on Sep 22, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a mostly all KSU fantasy football team
My Brother in Law needed an extra for his league. I hate Pro football. Anyway, I have Sproles, Jordy, Freeman, Thomas, Newman (though Newman and Thomas have been sitting with their injuries) seems like there is another one…
I’m 1-1 on the season so far.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Thomas had 100+ yards last week!
He’s on my bench behind Chris Johnson and my cousin LeSean
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
I know
I’ve got him in this week. If he had scored last week I would have been pissed he was on the bench, but as it was he did ok. My BiL made some crazy scoring up for our league. Especially on defense, but on O, if you don’t score or have a run/catch for 15+ yards you don’t get a lot of points from a player.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
I think Boren did overplay his hand
He’s been working the fund raisers hard for years to build up OU’s academic credentials and being associated with the California schools would be a great capstone to his legacy. What he doesn’t quite grasp though is that those schools are on a completely different level than OU. Places like USC and UCLA and Berkeley (in and out of Pac-12) are places where you can walk down the hall and chat with a Nobel Laurette or two. I think Oklahoma made the same mistake A&M and Missouri did: they overestimated their own worth. None of the power conferences need any of us at this point, and if they think Texas is going to blow up the conference again, they can just sit back and wait.
by Gaknar on Sep 21, 2011 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
A macrocosm (is that a word?)
for my opinion that individuals overestimate their influence and reputation to others is the way OU, aTm, and Mizz (in reverse chronological order) overestimated their appeal and overall value to outside conferences.
Can somebody tell me when the group re-unites (the top dogs had no offers to jump ship) and hurt feelings are mended (aTm excluded) and future ties are re-assured with friendly handshakes (time delays before being allowed to legally leave a conference) and a hug (GIGANTIC multi-multi million dollar exit fees/penalties)?
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Handshakes from the land thiefs and Longhorn
are worthless. Has to be in iron clad legal contracts. I am not optimistic, unless UT ditches the Network for a B/12 network, and that ain’t gonna happen, or it would have already.
oh hail the Purple and White
How important is Stoops to OU?
If Stoops wasn’t hired, and then proceeded to run the show in the most important sport in the league for the last decade, OU would be KU without the massive bball success. And no one would care.
Forget Boren, the key piece is Stoops.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
14 points?? Are you F'n kidding me. Have they been watching that same Miami team or have they
been just looking at the Eastern Kentucky box score?
I think the extremely subpar offensive performances thus far have given Vegas reason to doubt our ability.
Bring on the Cats
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain
That and our defense hasn't remotely seen
a team of Miami’s speed and athleticism. We shall find out a lot about our defense – and our team as a whole – on Saturday.
by CT-K-Stater on Sep 21, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I am not over confident, but David Garrett probably hasn't seen as turnover prone a QB
as Jacory Harris
Seriously...the reason Maryland won was turnovers
We have to be +TO’s to win this one, but I’m pretty sure we can do that.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
Spot-on, and those +TOs have to result in points
every…single…time. Not only are we are on the road, but we are making a tremendous leap this week in terms of our opponent. I have no problem with HCBS’ philosophy of scheduling a cupcake at home in Week 1 or 2, but for our players this game will seem much faster-moving. On the other hand, Miami has played Maryland (on the road) and Ohio State. The game on the field will move much slower for them. K-State has to play mistake-free and win the field-position battle. A strong running game from our backs is a must because those Colin Klein scrambles out of the pocket against Kent State evaporate against the Hurricanes.
by CT-K-Stater on Sep 21, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, do keep in mind
the most common knowledge level/depth of the common gambler. It is not that of a well-educated person who follows anything to do with the Midwest or the nitty-gritty of college athletics. I am not saying those gamblers do not exist, but rather they are the exception rather than the norm. Lines are set in an attempt to get 50/50 betting on both sides as this is where I think sportsbooks make the most money – when the outcome of the game is not deciding income. ‘Vegas’ doesn’t really think they can predict the outcome of a game – it is more the sportsbooks goal to properly ‘predict’ and set lines with respect to how the gambling public will perceive a matchup’s likely result(s).
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I would agree if it were 5 or 6, you get to lines like 14 and you are making a predictions on a game
I certainly profess
everything short of being a gambling expert, but my opinion (barring further enlightenment beyond opinions being shared) is strongly that of the line is purely set and managed in such a manner as to produce 50% of the money being bet on each side of the proposition (game lines, in our discussion) as they make the money on ‘the juice’ – or keeping 10% of amounts bet by each winning bettor. Claims of the Vegas line being set as predictions for their expected game outcome is akin to claiming Vegas oddsmakers care if KSU is good enough to lose by ‘only’ 9 points or Miami will play well enough to win by ‘only’ 10 points. My view – they don’t care beyond keeping the betting-money at close to 50/50. However, I think I grasp your viewpoint and at times the feeling is there that you might be right… then I remember that some people think a winning system must / does exist for roulette… … …
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
It does!
Simply split your chips between Black and Red!!!
You never lose!!!*
*except on the zeroes
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 21, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Gaaaaaaah!
Though I believe I am getting a reading of sarcasm through your post, despite its lack of implication. (Pssst – three zeroes on any standard roulette wheel in Las Vegas. Also, even with just Red and Black and splitting you’re at
‘even’ if you don’t harbor conspiracy beliefs of House cheating.) :-)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Yes, I tried to imply the sarcasm with the zeroes qualifier
And my excessive use of exclamation points.
Another solid strategy is doubling down after every loss, because you can’t lose forever right?
Or even better, wait for the wheel to come up black several times in a row and then bet red because now it is statistically more likely to happen since you have had so many blacks to this point.
.
.
Note: Those are also sarcastic remarks.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 21, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree that they want a 50/50 split so at least they get the vig. Also I agree that there is a
large component that is trying to judge what the action will be and the bettors perception of who the winner will be.
I think you stated the concept well……but
Computers could theoretically do that, and being that these are humans making these lines and they also want to have the line be tantalizing enough to get to said 50/50 split, it is in fact a declaration of how close they think the game will be.
I dont even know if I stated what I was trying to say correctly, I guess its all symantics
Though it would be tough to teach
a computer program how to factor in things like notoriously irrational optimist fan bases that will bet a ton on an irrational spread (see: NE Patriots, ND Irish, SC Trojans…).
Semantics – fun to discuss at times because we all can win!
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
It is pretty crazy how often games
are +/-1 of the line though
Don’t know statistically how often it really happens, but my perception is that it happens fairly often.
by Jeremy Sharp on Sep 21, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It happens, but I think it seems more often
than it really is. Also, all that tells me is that the sportsbooks’ view of an average bettor/gambler sees a bettor that is frequently close to the mark.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Big 12 Vision
The B12 is going to stay together. I say we need to start being proactive
#1: UT relinquishes the LHN and now it’s the BIG 12 Network-If not they’re out-They can go anywhere, but they can’t stay here
#2: We hire a new Commish. We need somebody w/leadership, vision, and Strength
#3: $50 million exit fees
Would look like this:
KSU, KU, ISU, MU, OU, OSU, Baylor
Possibility of UT, TTU, A&M
Depending on if any leave, we add
TCU, BYU, Houston, or SMU, Maybe Boise State if we can swing it.
While I understand what you're trying to get at, why would we want to add more Texas schools?
When we expand, those candidates need to be BYU, Louisville, Vest Virginia (if still on the table), Cincinnati, and maybe TCU, in that order.
Houston (Poor stadium, poor fan base), Boise St (distance for non-revenue sports)., and SMU (Uh, no) bring absolutely nothing to the conference.
I imagine the meeting minutes from the KBOR meeting tomorrow will read along these lines...
“Well, shit. Uh…who wants ice cream?”
by williewildcrack on Sep 21, 2011 12:10 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
"We vote unanimously to stay in the Big 12 Conference. And we, uh, strongly urge the Big 12 to look at Wichita State, too. Adjourned."
Bring on the Cats
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain
by Panjandrum on Sep 21, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
And I would add that if the newly reinvigorated B12 adds ND
That the KS-BOR has every right to ask the B-12 to look at Wichita State as an all other sports except football member. I just hope if they do ask ND to come, they don’t go for the same shit they’ve allowed ND to play in the BigE.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
"Resolved: The KBOR is committed to being committed to the BigXII."
by Itchy n Scratchy on Sep 21, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Unless that commitment is uncommitable?
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Sep 21, 2011 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Perry Ellis Watch 2011
It should only be :15 min long, because that will help the let down not be so big.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
can't hear anything...
Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.
but it is KU...
Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.
Anyone else reading DeLoss Dodds' comments
in various news outlets get the feeling that UT won’t be compromising too much? Once it was known OU no longer had the PAC option as leverage all bets were off and the same old Texas hold-em game rears its head.
I'm wondering if Dodds is feeling some internal heat on this
LHN was his baby and it’s become a poison pill. It’s destroying the Big XII, they can’t take it with them, they don’t want to go independent, the fans are ticked that they can’t get the network, the peasants in the Big XII are getting uppity. In a perfect world, this will take him down. Which means that he’ll be there for another 30 years.
by Gaknar on Sep 21, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It was so surreal when I was reading an account of the forming of the Big 12, circa 1993, and his was the only name involved who's still around.
I swear, he’s like a vampire or something.
Then tell him to leave.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
So the UT Prez says TV deal can be re-done....
My response is SHUT THE F##K UP AND GET IT DONE’!!!!
http://cjonline.com/sports/2011-09-21/texas-prez-says-deal-can-be-redone
by AmmoCat on Sep 21, 2011 3:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
For crying out loud,
the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing. They need to get their messaging in synch down in Austin and speak with one voice. Let me help them here: “We want a stable, workable conference going forward. One where David Boren doesn’t make flirtatious glances towards the Pac-whatever and the rest of the Little Seven shut the hell up and thank heaven they can simply breathe the same air as us.”
Deloss Dodds, meanwhile, continues to show everyone that he is no friend of K-State. What a douche.
Would it really hurt UT to give a small percentage of its TLN revenue out to the conference to share equally? I mean seriously, even 5% would be a symbolic way of saying they give two shits about the conference.
Furnace is right, TLN really is the Deathstar.
by CT-K-Stater on Sep 21, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Deloss Douche quit being a Kansan long long ago.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
It's just sad that it took me this long to figure it out.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
It's sad
At the track reunion I went to with my mom last year he seemed a pretty rad dude. He even called one of my mom’s old teammate’s daughters when she said she was deciding between Texas and A&M for school. How cool is that? Too bad he’s a greedy bastard who forgot where he came from. Sadface.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
I think
it’s something about that damn school.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Apparently if he visited Kansas more
He’d realize how much of a douchebag he’s become.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
He's not a douchebag
I’ve met him. He is very polite and engaging. What he is doing in Austin is his job, and nothing more. He is paid (well) by the University of Texas to do what is in the best interest of Longhorns, Inc. Maybe sometimes he pushes UT’s advantages too far, but it’s not because he’s a douchebag. It’s because he’s trying to do his job.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
He sure does a good job of disguising that fact with his public statements, then.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
knowing I was taken out of context by Blair Keirkoff when I was interviewed
dressing up as a neckbrace wearing Jim Woolridge with my buddy for his last home game at Bramlage my Jr. year in college…I try and not expect that whatever’s quoted in a paper is the finite end to someone’s thoughts…
That’s just me though. carry on.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
And how is it in the best interests of UT to go to the mat for this damn network?
If the Big 12 has any stones at all, they’ll just vote in revenue sharing, and let UT (and Dodds) do whatever is in their “best interests.”
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Exactly.
I think we can throw UT a bone or two and not just make it completely equal. But something like split 1st/2nd tiers evenly, 50% 3rd tier is evenly shared, and the other half is theirs. That’s still a better deal than they will get from any other conference.
Sounds like OU is really against allowing them to show conference games on LHN as well, even though they voted to allow exactly that a couple weeks ago.
It's all part of the negotiation
I don’t blame Dodds for taking this stance right now on TLN. He wants to keep as much of it as possible. If the other eight school believe they have the leverage, then they should push for fully equal revenue sharing and, if they’re really feeling their oats, make UT concede some of the revenue from TLN. That’s their job in an adversarial negotiation process.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Sep 22, 2011 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions
In another thread,
someone (Gaknar, I think) used the analogy of Ahab regarding Deloss Dodds, as it regards this network, and I think it’s apropos. It just seems like he’s going to pursue this thing and pursue this thing, and he doesn’t care at all what it costs him.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Exactly
F#ck Deloss Dodds. Yes, he is paid to do his best by UT, but TLN has become the cherry on top of the sundae that is his career. As he rides out into the sunset he has become blinded by it. The bottom line is the best interest for Texas should be a strong conference. I wouldn’t expect Dodds to do any less than his best by his employer, but as someone who has lived outside of Texas and been at another conference institution he should bring a broader perspective to all this than he has. Fail.
Eh
I did say that I thought he was pretty rad earlier when I met him briefly. I just don’t have the grasp of bidness to understand that he’s not a douchebag. Give me meat to judge and I can tell you all about that. But not bidness. Maybe that’s why I’m always broke?
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
Deloss Dodds needs to go.
He’s turned into nothing more than an arrogant UT prick.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I hope he meets a similar fate.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Interesting article in the Mercury
about the formation of the Big-12. Not a lot that’s new, but you get Wefald’s perspective in all this.
by CT-K-Stater on Sep 21, 2011 7:45 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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