Postgame Reaction: Kent State
K-State notched its first shutout in five years when the Wildcats blanked Kent State, 37-0.
Given the outstanding defensive effort, it was appropriate that the first score of the evening came on a pick six, as cornerback David Garrett jumped an out route and took it to the house. Collin Klein and the offense took over from there, running the margin to 34 at halftime before essentially shutting things down in the second half.
As you'll see below, one of my frustrations with the game was how quickly the offense was reined in, but the first-half numbers were impressive. K-State totaled 244 yards in the first half and, but for some stupid clock management at the end of the half, should have had at least a shot at ending the half with a touchdown, rather than a field goal.
Hit the jump for what I liked, what I didn't like, what it means and where we're going, and the Big 12 Roundup.
What I liked......another solid defensive effort. Again, don't get too excited. As mentioned in the open game thread, this is not a prolific Kent State offense. But hey, you play to win the game, and part of winning the game is not letting the other team score. On top of the shutout, K-State held Kent State (barely) to fewer than 200 total yards. K-State held Kent State quarterback to a sub-50 percent completion percentage, and the Golden Flashes rushed for only 3.3 yards per carry as a team. The rushing average is still below four yards per carry (3.75) if you take out yards lost on sacks. Speaking of sacks, the Cats had two of those, including one apiece for Meshak Williams and Ray Kibble. Once again, the Cats find themselves atop the national rankings for total defense.
...a perfect day for Anthony Cantele. After my complaints about his miss two weeks ago, it's only fair that I compliment the kid from Kapaun for making three field goals, from 49, 30 and 22 yards.
...another big day on the ground for Collin Klein. We'll take 7.3 yards per carry from Klein all season long. He's not the fastest guy ever, but he reads defenses well on run plays and hits the seam when it's there.
What I didn't like...
...shutting down the offense so early. A team on pace at halftime for nearly 500 total yards ended up with only 335. I'm not saying I wanted us to hang 60 on Kent State, but given the issues we saw against Eastern Kentucky, and some of the issues we continued to see against the Golden Flashes, I would have liked to see more reps for the first-teamers, and more meaningful action for the backups. With a road trip to Miami looming, we need all the repetitions we can get.
...more inconsistent passing from Collin Klein. Granted, Kent State is a solid defense. But I'd still like to see Klein complete passes at better than a 50-percent rate. The lack of yardage is understandable given that he played less than a half, but even at that he wasn't on pace for more than about 150-175 yards. Maybe a nitpick, but I'd like to see more.
...utter lack of production from the running backs. The triumvirate of John Hubert, Angelo Pease and Robert Rose combined for only 74 yards on 19 carries (3.9 yards/carry). That just won't cut it. Again, Kent State is not a bad defense. But with Klein's inconsistent passing, we're going to have to sustain a running game, and we can't have Klein getting hit 20 times per game (see, e.g., Grant Gregory). I have no idea whether Bryce Brown was held out because he's still dinged up or because he was in the doghouse, but at some point we have to have him dotting the "i" if we're going to have a chance on the ground.
What it means and where we're going...
If you're like me, then you at least feel about a million times better this week than you did last week. It really speaks volumes about how crummy this team looked against EKU that I consider this type of game against a MAC opponent to be a vast improvement, but that's how I feel. And again, the defense truly does look like it might be average this year, which would be a vast improvement over last year, so that's a positive.
I like to keep track of the progress of the teams we have already played so we can see whether they are better, about as good, or worse than we thought they would be. For a team like Eastern Kentucky, I'm tempted to recycle my "nobody cares how Tennessee Tech did" line from a few years ago, but I'll wait to see what y'all have to say about that before pulling it out. In any event, the Colonels are 1-2 on the season, with a 28-14 win over Missouri State balancing out a 24-13 loss to Chattanooga (No. 14 Chattanooga, according to EKU's Web site, thank you very much). It will be hard to judge much about this team from a game like it played against a team like EKU, who is going to play nothing but FCS opponents this season (including Tennessee Tech!).
Nobody who cheers for K-State needs to be reminded of the opponent this weekend. K-State travels to Miami to face the Hurricanes in a game that will kickoff at 2:30 p.m. and be televised by ESPNU. The Hurricanes are 1-1, with a close opening-weekend loss on the road to Maryland and a big home win over Ohio State last weekend. Miami put the clamps on an Ohio State University's passing game, limiting the Buckeyes to a woeful four completions on 18 attempts for only 35 yards. The Hurricanes will have momentum, a home crowd, and a bunch of athletes on the field next Saturday. It will take a stellar performance for K-State to manage a win.
Big 12 Roundup
The Rout 66 Game: Georgia Tech 66, KU 24
I'll admit it, at halftime I thought, "KU is looking competitive in this game." By the middle of the second half, any of those thoughts were long gone as the Ramblin' Wreck rambled to a record-breaking blowout of KU. After switching to a 3-4 defense this season, the Jayhawks are doing their best to imitate the K-State defenses during the Ron Prince era, giving up 604(!!!) rushing yards on an astounding 12.1 yards per carry on 50 attempts. That is an NCAA record, so it goes without saying that it was even worse for KU than that North Texas game was for K-State last season, which is really saying something. In yet another attempt to replicate K-State's Prince-era defenses, KU gave up two long touchdown passes in the second half in which receivers ran right down the middle of the field with nary a safety in sight.
Next up: Idle
The beginning of the Case McCoy era in Austin went well, as the Longhorns managed not only to avoid another embarrassing loss to UCLA, but to notch an impressive win. McCoy was an efficient 12-15 for 168 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions. In an encouraging sign for a team that hasn't been able to run the ball consistently in the last few years, Texas rolled up 284 rushing yards on 5.7 yards per carry. The Longhorn defense held UCLA to 317 total yards, had three interceptions, a sack and a forced fumble. It's way too soon to say Texas is back, but it looks like the 5-7 nightmare from last year is in the past.
Next up: Idle
Texas Tech 59, New Mexico 13
Texas Tech routed a putrid New Mexico team, with Seth Doege setting a single-game record for completion percentage by connecting on 40 of his 44 passing attempts, which resulted in 401 passing yards and five touchdowns for the Red Raiders. Not a bad day at the office. The Red Raiders also limited New Mexico to one meaningful score, giving up two field goals in the fourth quarter when the game was well in hand. Despite relatively weak competition thus far, Texas Tech is clearly a team trending upward from preseason expectations.
Next week: Nevada
Baylor 48, Stephen F. Austin 0
I have nothing to say about this one. Didn't even see highlights, and you can't tell much other than the Bears didn't have a letdown after the landmark first-week win over Texas Christian. It was so bad, in fact, that the game was called in the third quarter because of lightning. K-State's worst nightmare, Robert Griffin III, was 20-22 for 265 yards and three touchdowns, with no interceptions and 78 rushing yards for good measure.
Next up: Rice
Missouri 69, Western Illinois 0
The third of three shutouts by Big 12 schools, Missouri bounced back from a disappointing loss to Arizona State to annihilate WIU. Henry Josey did his best Georgia Tech-impersonation by rushing for 263 yards on only 14 carries. In other ridiculous stats, Western Illinois gained only one first down the entire game. That is not a joke (well, it is, but in a different sense) or a misprint. The Leathernecks really only gained one first down. Mizzou held WIU to only 44 TOTAL yards on the evening. I mean, Bill Snyder beat up on some cupcakes in his day, but my goodness, Mizzou, couldn't you find somebody that at least has a pulse?
Next up: at Oklahoma
Texas A&M 37, Idaho 7
Nobody cares about the Aggies. Hit the link above to see I Am The 12th Man's thoughts on this game.
Oklahoma 23, Florida State 13
While Oklahoma never trailed, they didn't put the Seminoles away until the last couple minutes of a hard-fought contest in Tallahassee. Certainly no shame in that against a fellow top-10 team on the road, and the Sooners have cleared their biggest non-conference hurdle now. Landry Jones struggled a bit for OU, throwing two picks and failing to crack 200 yards passing, but the Sooner defense had his back, limiting FSU to less than 250 total yards on the evening and picking off three Seminole passes. The Sooners get no respite, as they return home to open conference action against the Missouri Tigers squad against whom the Sooners own a one-game losing streak.
Next up: Missouri
Oklahoma State 59, Tulsa 33
When I finally got back to Kansas City at about 1:00 a.m. Sunday, I checked Twitter before conking, and was astounded that this game wasn't even at halftime yet. A 9 p.m. start coupled with severe weather in the Tulsa area led to 3:35 a.m. local time. Enjoy the Pac-16, Cowboys! Brandon Weeden (29-39-2, 369 yards, three TDs, although those INTs have to start becoming a concern at some point) and Justin Blackmon (7 catches, 57 yards, 1 TD) were their typically awesome selves for OSU, although the defense had a bit of a brainfart in the second half, allowing three third-quarter touchdowns, although the game was never even close to being in doubt.
Next up: at Texas A&M
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Didn't try to stay up
for that unbelievable OSU start time. I still have to think, however, that they are the real sleeper in the conference. Everyone wants to look at OU as the team to beat, but I’m not so sure. Blackmon’s numbers were way off, but without getting to see what actually went down, you don’t know how Tulsa played him and left other things open. Obviously, the OSU offense has been able to bring their new OC up to speed quickly.
I’m still looking for us to be able to pick off someone we’re not supposed to beat in the south, but I don’t think it’s going to be OSU.
I am definitely hoping we take Tech down, big time.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
OSU doesn't have a D
Until proven otherwise, they’re not threat to win the conference
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
As my O-State friend keeps saying...
“Our first string D is dominating it’s the 2nd, and 3rd strings”…well it’s not good to have no depth when you start facing real teams.
"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill
Agreed
As far as I’m concerned TB, you can totally ignore them. Whoever they were.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
I second this...
You can simply post the game as still pending with no score for aTm or the opponent – or even leave them out completely and I’ll have no objections. It’s not like we’re tracking how UN or CU are doing on these things, amirite?
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
How about maybe just posting what KU, MU, and ISU does?
Because I really couldn’t care less about the others.
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Nah - nobody else cares about them...
Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.
I care enough to actively cheer against them.
Does that count?
by williewildcrack on Sep 20, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I think one reason Klein's passing stat line wasn't better,
was that Snyder yanked him for Lamur in the first half, when CK really seemed to be in a good rhythm. I think someone even mentioned that in the GDT.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I did mention that
However, I’m torn on Klein’s performance. He looked great late in the first half when he was really hitting receivers in stride and I would have loved to see if he could have kept that up and maybe even completed some downfield passes.
On the other hand, early on he probably missed about 100 yards worth of passes (maybe a slight exaggeration, but you get the point) and even some of his completions were woefully lacking in accuracy. I don’t want to beat a dead horse because I’m sure this has been said a million times about Klein and so many others, but I’d really like to see more consistency. A solid game at Miami would be a great start.
by Ahearn Alley on Sep 19, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Maryland shredded Miami's D passing the ball
I think Klein has to have a good game passing to win this one. Not 300 yds necessarily, but a solid performance with no ints.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
Maryland proved they're beatable
but the definitely have some serious team speed. I feel better about the amount of speed we have this year compared to last year, but I have to believe we’re still on the negative side of that equation.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I believe it was 8-12
I can’t remember which it was, seemed like it either started at 8 or that’s what the number would be when we play them
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I was doing some research to debunk the "doesn't have a pulse" comment about WIU
And, while I did find out that they were a FCS Playoff team last season and came within 10 of Purdue and 4 of Arkansas in the last few years, the most interesting thing I found really wasn’t about them.
In 2004, WIU beat Cheyney 98-7
Cheyney is… historically terrible. Since 1945, Cheney has 94 wins. An “all-time” winning percentage of .172. The 3rd week of 2003, they won by 1 point against West Virginia State and did not win again until the 5th week of 2007, then didn’t win again until week 5 of 2010. That’s 2 wins in 7 seasons + 3 games. They’ve had 24 winless seasons since 1945.
Wow.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
Historically terrible is an understatement
"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill
K-State will have more than 35 yards of passing against Miami...probably 150. We will end up with around 300.
But I believe Miami will pour on 400 and we will lose 28-10 or 35-13.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
I don't see the 400yd total, I really don't
You don’t get counted for the yds of interceptions thrown, and between Zimmerman, Garrett and Hartman I bet we get at least 1 if not two.
Though a 389yd total wouldn’t mean Miami can’t win with that. I’m taking the under on 400 total yds for Miami.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Can't explain it, there is no logical sense to it
I just have a feeling about the Miami game, like something big is going to happen. Hopefully for the good.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
I don't know.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Is it just me or shouldn't this happen considering our sucky running game thus far?
Hubert is not great by any means and the line is not very good. Bryce is our best chance at regaining some respect for the run. I don’t care what his attitude is, if he helps us win, play him!
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
Oh, I agree with you.
Until proved otherwise, though, I’ll always think that Snyder’s pride will be more important to him than playing a player who he thinks isn’t doing things HIS way.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Isn't that the point of a coach, though?
They have a system and they implement it and they expect the players to follow the system.
If you make exceptions all the time for people who don’t follow the system, then why should anyone follow the system?
I don’t think it is so much pride as a belief in his system. You may disagree with his system, but that is a different point. To say that this is because Snyder is too prideful is speculation at best and unfair in my eyes.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 20, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Whatever your "system", as a coach, you play the players who give you the best opportunity to win.
And if a player doesn’t “get it”, then just kick him off the team. You don’t jerk players around.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
How is he 'jerking' him around?
I guess that might mean something different to me, but to me it that would be more like Snyder tells him he is going to play this week and then never plays him, or that he puts him in and then pulls immediately or other such inconsistent behavior.
Right now it doesn’t look like he is jerking him around at all. He is letting him sit on the bench until he feels he is ready to play. He obviously doesn’t think that, whatever his reasoning.
If your system calls for only playing the players who have demonstrated a commitment to your system. I don’t think that he is being ‘prideful’ here, however talented Bryce may be. I don’t see how kicking him off the team would be more fair to him.
Furthermore, as suggested in (I think) BlackCats post about his lunch with Stan, it is possible that Snyder doesn’t share your view that “you play the players who give you the best opportunity to win”. Maybe he thinks that if he put Bryce in this year it would just risk Bryce to injury but he wouldn’t be able to do too much because he has no faith in the O-Line being able to block for him. Maybe Snyder believes more in building for the future than the present. That suggest a different philosophy on how to coach a football team, but not necessarily that he is too “prideful”.
My main problem with your post is that instead of it being an intellectual disagreement you seem to express your argument in judgmental terms. Because Snyder doesn’t follow your view on how to coach a football team he is too prideful. It is OK to disagree with someone but I don’t think it is OK to insult their character just because you have an intellectual disagreement. It is possible that you may not be right, so just because Snyder doesn’t do things your way doesn’t mean that he is too “prideful” or whatever negative descriptor you may want to attach to him.
I just think you can disagree with people in a respectful manner. Snyder has demonstrated on countless occasions that he as at least a better than average ability to coach a football team. Maybe he is being too prideful, but unless you are privy to the private relationship between him and Brown I don’t see how you can make that claim with such conviction.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 20, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't get me wrong, I will always love Coach Snyder.
He brought us back from an almost unimaginably bad place back in 1988. But I can not fathom what this kid has done that would merit keeping your most talented RB off the field. Unless some kind of pretty serious misbehavior, or an injury (a real one, not a tweak that you use to bench a kid) I just don’t know how a major college coach justifies not playing the RB who gives his team the best chance to win.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Honestly?
I think Snyder has sat for a simple reason. It’s not behavior, at least I’m hearing he’s become more of a vocal leader these past three weeks. He did get dinged up in the first game and it was more than just a tweak (I heard bone bruise). He could have played Saturday, but we didn’t need him. So Snyder has let him sit, go half speed in practice with a “no hit” jersey on (think QB). The best/fastest way for a bone bruise to heal is rest it without pressure or impact so he’s been riding the stationary bike, a lot, and hanging with Tuggle while they both continue to learn the playbook.
Sounds like he’s good to go for Miami and I believe Snyder will play him because we finally need him. The one thing Snyder will never do is play someone to pad their stats. If BB can get in a rhythm he’s the guy. If he is shaking off rust, you’ll see 3 or 4 deep to find the guy who can be productive.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Well, if he plays significant time at Miami, I will certainly eat some crow.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
my feeling's still there from the beginning of the season
but significantly lower. Sorta like a 56/44 type of feeling in our favor
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I am a bummer
After the EKU game, I posted my belief that after Kent State, the Wildcats would be favored to win only once more, (against KU, of course). Many took this as panicking after an awful first game.
But even after a 37-0 whitewashing, I don’t feel a lot more confident. In the long run, I actually think this year’s team may end up being better than last year’s. It’s probably a middle of the pack defense, but at least seems to have some playmakers. The offense will get better, even if we aren’t looking at a return to the days of Sproles and Roberson.
But this is a really tough schedule. Who can this team count on beating? OU, Texas (recent years are fun, but not really relevant), OSU, A & M, Miami, Missouri? Maybe the Cats find a way to win one or two of these? But they will be facing a HUGE talent deficit in both.
Baylor? Maybe…we have them at home. But it’s hard to feel good about revisiting Robert Griffin. At the moment, this is a top twenty team and we most definitely are not. Tech? This aint’ the Mike Leach buzz saw, but Tuberville is a good coach, Tech is a good program, and I don’t think the Wildcats have ever looked anything but awful in Lubbock. Iowa State? Maybe…but they’ve had two very impressive wins and seem to have a real quarterback. Really, this leaves KU…and I’m not convinced that we are night and day in terms of talent with them.
I’d be surprised to see 3-9. But I do think that the Cats could be about as good as last year and end up there, or maybe with another win or two. I’d consider 6-6 an accomplishment, frankly.
The internet was made for unwarranted confidence. We read all these reports about “Jordan Voelker tearing it up in practice” or “Angelo Pease’s work ethic”. I’d hazzard to say that the average fan hear has already read more about Justin Tuggle than he ever did about Michael Bishop. But remember that for every two star recruit with a great work ethic who we have, the big schools have got three higher rated guys who fetch the same compliments.
Man, I hope I’m incredibly wrong about this. I would love nothing more than be banned for my stupidity after the Cats post an 11-2 year.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Sep 20, 2011 5:07 AM CDT reply actions
Hello MrPessimisticMushroom
I agree the Cats are not that much more talented than KU, but I will bet money KSU is better coached. And I think half of RCT would bet the same. All I’ve wanted, and I’ve said this all off season, is a bowl game. This team won’t be great, and expecting 8 wins is setting yourself up for disappointment, but I think we should expect a crappy bowl game every year.
I will bet money the Cats won’t beat OU and OSU, and I think A&M, UT (except possibly for the psychological advantage), Missouri, TT, and Baylor are all going to be favored over KSU. That means KSU MUST beat ISU, which will be at home (likely a bowleligiblebowl), KU, Miami, and then pull an upset.
We always assume Snyder is a better coach than whomever he’s facing, but I’m really not so sure anymore. The Cats squashed a demoralized UT team, but that was probably the best example of Snyder out-coaching the opponent.
All I want is a bowl game.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
Yep, we aren't disagreeing...
But I would have to put beating ISU as a mild upset and beating Miami as a big upset. If you add those to KU, that would still be a 5-7 season.
I wonder if it’s more likely that K-State beats Miami on the road or loses to KU at home. My heart of hearts (and the copious amount I’ve read about Meshak Williams’ explosiveness and David Garrett’s nose for the ball) says that we have a real shot at Miami and there ain’t no way those damned Jayhawks have a shot at us. But I’ll bet the State of Kansas schools’ talent levels are probably more similar.
My only other area of disagreement is that Snyder necessarily has a leg up on all other coaches on game day. Yes, he outcoached Mack Brown last year. But IMHO he was completely outclassed in the Pinstripe Bowl. And his lack of willingness to abandon the Molasses Sweep may have really inhibited the team. As an overall transformer of a program and presence, Bill is second to none. As a gameday strategist…I’ve always seen him as beatable.
But I agree—a 6-6 bowl team would be very acceptable. And who knows—every year there seem to be a few teams that overachieve. I would be very much in favor of the 2011 Wildcats being one of those.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Sep 21, 2011 3:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I saw some incremental improvement
albeit marginal. That was on the OL anyway. QB play very concerning. As a person Klein looked a little more confident though the stats didn’t reflect the same. Running back play a real concern. Lack of passing game meant it’s hard to say anything about the WR play.
I thought for the most part overall ST play was up, though Doerr really struggled with his punts.
And the defense I think showed enough to prove they have improved over last year, however keep in mind I said in the off season, we could only go up from last year so take that with a grain of salt.
I’ve backed off of my beating Miami idea just due to the “first year HC” factor, of just getting a new system down, and Bill being more established.
However with Mizzou’s recent injury luck, I think I’ll still hold to my we win 1 between Baylor and Mizzou, but the “who” has probably switched in all likelihood.
Again, at this point logic tells me I won’t come close to my 8-4 prediction, but because I said it, I’m sticking to it while wearing my purple shades and crossing my fingers.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Kleins pocket presences
My concern is the lack of time Klein spent in the pocket. It seemed that if his first receiver wasn’t open he would tuck it and run without going through his progression. Whether that is his fault or the O-line I don’t know, nor do I think it matters. It has to get fixed before we start conference play or we’re going to see man coverage and all out blitzes on every down, and we will be smothered.
I feel like a really good group of WR's are going to waste. Maybe HCBS does not have any options and
Lamur and Tuggle cant throw either….It just seems like Brod, and Harper could be a dominant focus in the game and a hard match-up
Its the line not the QB.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Sep 20, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, this.
It’s very hard to work your progressions when the “pocket” collapses after approximately 1.25 seconds.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Or your RB to find the holes.
Hubert is not a bad back but the blocks are not being executed properly. Listen you don’t break LT’s records by being a bad running back.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Sep 20, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
He's not a BAD running back.
He’s just also not anywhere close to BB’s level.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Are you watching him everyday in practice?
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Sep 20, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Am I?
"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill
You are.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I wish I could get give you my opinion
But it’s so hard to look away from Angelo…

"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill
He does gaze deeply into your soul...

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Classic playground debate strategy...I like it.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Sep 20, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
A triple dog dare then?
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Sep 20, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You asked me a question that relies on a logical fallacy.
You tried to put me in a false dilemma, where if I answer “no”, then you’ll be able to say, “Well, how the hell do you know then?” I just refused to play that little game.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Ahh but you bash the Coach and presume he is the best.
Without the basis of real fact only a gut feeling. We have seen him play in one scrimmage and a handful of plays in a real game and yet in your mind he needs to start. You claim he is a level above the other backs yet you are not at practice nor do you know the actual extent of his injury. So while I welcome the debate about whether he should see the field, I tend to side with the Coach on knowing what is best for the team. And quite frankly Daniel Thomas could be out there right now and not get more than 5 yards as the line is young, inexperienced and is not gashing anyone to date.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
He was a 5-star recruit.
You don’t get those stars by accident. And you don’t land many more by treating the ones you fall bassackwards into like crap.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
He apparently had some troubles even at UT with his 5 stars.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
Granted he had over 400 yards as a back up on an SEC team
It’s not like he was a complete chump.
"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill
As a backup to an established starter,
he ran for 460 yards, and scored 3 TDs, for a team that wasn’t great. Yeah, he pretty much sucks and we should just give up on the turkey.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Did I say that? Imply it?
You have changed the argument again. Turkey? What the hell does that mean? I think we can think of plenty of 5 star athletes that fizzled at the college level and we know that Snyder, more than almost any other coach, can take 2 star talent and turn them into gold. Neither of which changes the fact that we are not in practice and are not part of the medical staff.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
As much as I'd like to see Bryce run the ball
I absolutely disagree that we have to play him simply because he’s a 5 star recruit and we owe him, or need to for future recruiting.
He’s either the best back or he isn’t.
And we'll never know that, if he's not given a chance to play.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
As I recall
He was the first game and fumbled…but I would still like to see him more.
"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill
Yes, only 3 carries that game and the last was a fumble
I too want to see more of him. I think Pease could turn into a pretty decent back, but he needs coaching to develop. Hubert actually runs the ball pretty well, but he is not athletic enough to be a starter at a BCS level school. Bryce looked decent enough to me in those 3 carries, but that’s not enough to get any kind of sense for how far along he is.
Now, Pease
I think he was pretty dang decent on Saturday for as little action as he got, but then again I can’t recall his stats to know if they might come close to backing up what my eyes told me.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
He looked good in space
I think he’ll improve a lot over the course of the year. Hubert has already hit his maximum potential.
I agree with this...
For all Snyder’s media relations fault and possible inability to retain and get good quality assistants these days that the man still knows more about football than we could all hope to have together. It’s not like we’d be talking about it if our former 5-star transfer running back if it wasn’t for him anyway, on this I won’t question him.
"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill
I don't understand your last sentence. Particularly this part:
It’s not like we’d be talking about it if our former 5-star transfer running back if it wasn’t for him anyway…
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Meh
I really should preview stuff because I mangle stuff really bad. I’m Animal Science, I don’t know English much good.
But anyway the jist was, “It’s not like we’d be talking about how Snyder was being mean to our former 5 star recruit if it wasn’t for Snyder”
"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill
There that sounds better
"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill
I'm still kind of confused by it.
Bryce came here because of his brother, and because it was close to home. Do you mean that Snyder’s being here was the sole (or even the main) reason he came?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
No I'm talking in general:
Without Snyder we wouldn’t be discussing this, I know it’s an old and useless argument but I’m just disagreeing with your opinion based on the fact that I trust what Snyder is doing. We’ve improved on the field since he took the reins back, I’ll wait to question him till we start back on a downward slope.
Bryce Brown has a ton of talent but he still needs to get with the program from the sound of it. Also you could make the argument that they came to K-State vs let’s say KU, because they respected Snyder.
"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill
The line wasn't nearly as awful in pass-protection as it was against EKU
In fact, it was fairly solid for the most part. That excuse worked in Week 1, not so much Week 2. YesKlein looked better – but he still locks on his primary receiver too much and his throws in the flat and on the sideline patterns are too low and slow. I agree that he got removed from the game too early, right at the point when he finally began to look like he had gained some confidence and was getting in a rhythm. The few times the protection broke down he tucked it and ran quite well.
The problem we have going forward is we won’t be facing any more EKU’s and Kent States. The margin for error closes exponentially starting this Saturday. That goes for both Klein and the offensive line.
Any reactions to the point that the offense
Only got 3 pts in the entire second half? I thought that was very alarming.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
They ran a very conservative offense
I’m not sure it matters really.
"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill
I ratched up my conversation in the second half
So I have to say I’m not sure how observant I was. So that does help to some degree.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I barely noticed it
Some dude came down to the student section with his kid, and I shot the shit with him quite a bit. It was enjoyable because the students around me just gave me blank stares and “Fuck Texas” when I tried to bring up realignment talk. Also some dude tried to fight me because I disagreed with him on a play where Klein took off with it instead of passing(making the first down).
"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill
As for the defense
I thought it was a good sign how well our pass defense did. This week’s qb could actually locate the ball within the jersey of his receiver, as compared to the EKY qb who was lucky to get within 5 yds of his receiver. So I thought they did really well there. When passes were completed we had guys there making the tackle right away.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I was a bit concerned about the run defense, straight up the gut
It’s not like they ran all over us, but they haven’t been able to run against anyone this year and I thought they were creating some decent size holes in our D.
But it’s tough to complain too much when you pitch a shutout.
















