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We are officially at DEFCON 1.

Currie, you better have a plan, and that plan better be something more tangible than reforming some crappy equivalent of Conference USA.

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optomist spin #1

T. Boone Pickens to announce at meeting:

“I’m gonna build the best conference money can buy”

but I’m not going to hold my breath…

"Nor yet in Dell?"

by GTcat on Sep 19, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Would the best money can buy include Texas?

Cause they’re ALL about money…

But in all seriousness, as a UCLA fan, I hope things turn out for the best for you guys.

by UC.Clipper on Sep 19, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Baylor game was picked up by ABC.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Sep 19, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

So OSU meets 2 days after OU and UT....

guess that will give them the opportunity to decide if OU’s statement means what it says or if it means something else.

The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
BOTC - Read the Adventures of the BigXII if you doubt our serious attitude towards sports.

by Anon_the_younger on Sep 19, 2011 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I do not heart this.

Though had to chuckle since they’re options include whatever big brother can get for them. This is nothing more than a rubber stamp session of whatever OU decides to do.

When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.

by BlackCats on Sep 19, 2011 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Mean while down in Dallas...

There’s nothing wrong, everything is great. There’s nothing wrong, everything is great. There’s nothing wrong, everything is great. There’s nothing wrong, everything is great. There’s nothing wrong, everything is great. There’s nothing wrong, everything is great. There’s nothing wrong, everything is great. There’s nothing wrong, everything is great. There’s nothing wrong, everything is great. There’s nothing wrong, everything is great.

The sun’ll come out
Tomorrow
Bet your bottom dollar
That tomorrow
There’ll be sun!

Just thinkin’ about
Tomorrow
Clears away the cobwebs,
And the sorrow
‘Til there’s none!

When I’m stuck a day
That’s gray,
And lonely,
I just stick out my chin
And Grin,
And Say,
Oh!

The sun’ll come out
Tomorrow
So ya gotta hang on
‘Til tomorrow
Come what may
Tomorrow! Tomorrow!
I love ya Tomorrow!
You’re always
A day
A way!

When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.

by BlackCats on Sep 19, 2011 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Damn it. Meanwhile. FU@%ING EDIT BUTTON WOULD BE NICE!

When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.

by BlackCats on Sep 19, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, and edit button would be very handy

but we all give the benefit of the doubt to each other that it is a typo and not derpitude that is responsible.

and if you are on a tablet or phone, then it really gets interesting. Auto correct is not your friend.

The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
BOTC - Read the Adventures of the BigXII if you doubt our serious attitude towards sports.

by Anon_the_younger on Sep 19, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dan Beebe just called and wanted to know what do you mean?

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Sep 19, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dear Louisville/Cincinnati

check your voicemail.

except Beebe probably gets scared doesn’t say anything and hangs up when no one answers on the other end

"Nor yet in Dell?"

by GTcat on Sep 19, 2011 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

And that's why he isn't married

"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain

by Sean T on Sep 19, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon, give the dude some credit

I’m sure Texas provides him with some sort of script. There’s no way they let him say whatever.

by williewildcrack on Sep 19, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope we have a better option than that, regardless.

Bring on the Cats
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain

by Panjandrum on Sep 19, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Better options like what?

Cincinnati and Louisville are both BCS schools, and Cincy has a recent appearance.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Sep 19, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

so long ou, regentts give ou president okay to make decisions on conference

articles on the web

The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
BOTC - Read the Adventures of the BigXII if you doubt our serious attitude towards sports.

by Anon_the_younger on Sep 19, 2011 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

and UT does the same

although more weasel words….

The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
BOTC - Read the Adventures of the BigXII if you doubt our serious attitude towards sports.

by Anon_the_younger on Sep 19, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Both list Big-12 as an option

Boren says he’s unhappy with TLN (duh) and with Baylor’s threat of a lawsuit. Once again Boren shows himself to be a complete scumbag. Are you serious, Boren? You’re mad at Baylor for trying to protect itself? Or are you mad ‘cause you know what’s coming down the pike when you pull up your tent and head west?

by CT-K-Stater on Sep 19, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

OU is just as bad as Tamu, apparently.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Sep 19, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boren is worried about a lawsuit, or 2, if OU leaves

there is much $$ at stake, the exit fee is just the start.

The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
BOTC - Read the Adventures of the BigXII if you doubt our serious attitude towards sports.

by Anon_the_younger on Sep 19, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

They'll pay some exorbitant exit fees,

and STILL might get sued. And bitching about Baylor will change NOTHING.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Sep 19, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the conference disbands, to whom are the exit fees paid?

Collecting exit fees is not a slam dunk. I think (but I am not sure) the bylaws have a provision in them stating if the # of teams in a conference falls below a certain number, the conference is “disolved,” and then, I think there is a clause in the bylaws saying “no exit fees.”

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Sep 19, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the five hang together long enough,

the exit fees WILL be paid.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Sep 19, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, counselor

I like your tenacity on that point, but I don’t think 5 is the number. I think it’s 8. In other words, under 8 and there is no conference. Like I say, I’m not sure on this, but I still contend collecting the exit fees is not a slam dunk.

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Sep 19, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think so.

The charter was something like, 9 of the 12 had to agree to dissolve it. Otherwise, the remaining teams could collect exit fees and rebuild.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Sep 19, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

if the league is "dissolve"

I’d definitely expect lawsuit(s).

The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
BOTC - Read the Adventures of the BigXII if you doubt our serious attitude towards sports.

by Anon_the_younger on Sep 19, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Point to consider:

the best lawsuits are for “tortious interference”, which has been written about on here, and for an even more arcane and rarely used claim called “interference with prospective advantage.” The problem is the best target for these lawsuits is ESPN itself (because it is at the heart of the sexy conspiracy stuff). However, it is a little dicey for Baylor, or Ia.State or KSU to say, “wtf, lets sue the most powerful figure in sports broadcasting” beause, ah – ESPN may be a little vindictive regarding things in the future. Never easy suing the baddest boy on the block.

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Sep 19, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not like their friendly now

"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill

by MeatGeek on Sep 19, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

True,

but indifference is likely much better than anger and/or hatred…

'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert

by VegasCat07 on Sep 19, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've read

that ESPN and FOX want little to do with a reconfigured Forgotten Five/Big Least hybrid. Of course this again is all media rumor and innuendo, but something to consider…do we risk ESPN’s wrath, or are we screwed anyway and thus go toe-to-toe with them?

by CT-K-Stater on Sep 20, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn it UT suck it up and turn the LHN into a Big 12 network.

Work out the same deal with the rest of the conference that the Pac-12 is making you do as concessions to join their playground and watch the teams stay together. I would like to send Snyder down there and give them an old fashioned paddling.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Sep 19, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would make them look weak and destroy their perception of their tough guy image

They would never do it now. No matter how much sense it would make.

The hell with BEVO.

by stram#1 on Sep 19, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well they are going independent then...because frankly no one is putting up with this poison pill.

Hence they are stuck.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Sep 19, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

K-State has no misconceptions about whether they are tough guys or not.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Sep 19, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meanwhile they hold the rest of the conference hostage

$#it or get off the pot. How convenient that they say the Big-12 remains an option…sure, if some snag in PAC membership rears its ugly head, like insufficient revenue splits, PAC presidents saying “no” to Tech and OSU, etc.

by CT-K-Stater on Sep 19, 2011 7:08 PM CDT reply actions  

F-ing reply fail...

meant to post that in response to you, smitty

by CT-K-Stater on Sep 19, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most comprehensive article I've seen yet on college TV markets

I think their methodology for determining market share held by each team is heavily flawed, but this is the best thing out there I’ve seen.

Looks like Boise State, from a purely market-based standpoint, is as lucrative as K-State (between 450,000 and 500,000 fans).

The Geography of College Football Fans and Realignment Chaos

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 19, 2011 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Annnnd....

It looks like CT-K-Stater beat me to the punch over in the slate.

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 19, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not a prob, Chris

You’ve got a good eye, my man. Whatever the data is worth and however it was accumulated, regardless, it makes for interesting reading.

by CT-K-Stater on Sep 19, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hello, new here, but have lurked for awhile (and probably won't post much)

Has anyone actually looked closely at this methodology? The survey information the blogger used comes from a site where where people have to find the site and then register their responses. It is in no way, shape, or form a scientific survey (probably better than your average MSN dot com survey, but not by much).

There is no way I believe that KU enjoys nearly a two to one advantage in football following in any Kansas market, even the Kansas City-JoCo market where they will have some advantage. Especially post 1989.

It is depressing that others are latching onto these figures to promote their school in realignment discussions.

In fact, if you have the time, you might want to go to the CommonCensus website and add your responses (no, I am not affilitated with them in any way). Of course, it is too late in the case of the NY Times blog post.

Go Cats.

by apewatcher on Sep 19, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

First, welcome! Hope you post more than you think you will.

Second, I think you’re right on the money. That “survey” is flawed beyond redemption.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Sep 19, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Already a more useful member of the community than I am

sigh

"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill

by MeatGeek on Sep 19, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh the old KC market falsehood again. St. Louis is only slightly better.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Sep 20, 2011 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is what I was referring to with my comment
their methodology for determining market share held by each team is heavily flawed

I agree, it is a flawed study, but it is also the only one we have, and in my view, that is better than nothing.

Furthermore, the article mentions this problem, and details the steps they took to correct for the flaws. While not perfect, it is, again, better than nothing.

Another factor this study doesn’t take into consideration is divided loyalties. It paints all college fans as basically followers of one team.

While it may be true that most college football fans only have one team that they consider their team, I bet that in each market you would have a great many fans that follow other teams rather closely (because they are away from home so they are following the local school, they went to multiple schools, their children went to said school, etc.).

So, yes, this is not the end-all be-all study on market share of college football teams, but it is a useful tool for us common fans who don’’t have the resources to look into it in more depth like the TV networks or conferences.

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 20, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're dead on

Did you notice that one of the top 10 teams followed in the North East was TCU? That can only be because of people hoping they would blow up the BCS the last couple years. TCU is a tiny private school and can’t even fill their little 35k seat stadium plopped in the middle of the 7,000,000 people DFW metroplex. I’d bet if this study was done on Bill S.’s first tour through Manhattan, KSU would have been closer to 8,000,000-1mm. JMO, I believe the best thing about all the education I “endured” was the graduate statistics class. It taught me to critically analyze all of these, “Studies show that….” articles.

Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!

by Plano Jeff on Sep 20, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

And also, welcome

It was a very well thought out post and I hope you do comment more.

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 20, 2011 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know

whether W. Virg. has officially applied to the SEC?

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Sep 19, 2011 10:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Rumor I saw was they were rejected...but that is only a rumor.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Sep 20, 2011 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, if W. Va was rejected

and Fla State has a $20 million exit fee which they just voted for, how does the SEC get to 14 teams if it isn’t Mizzou? Maybe the SEC will be the one which holds pat at 12 teams by putting the screws to aTm because the SEC does not get the lawsuit waivers.
Interesting. Just last week the member schools of the ACC voted UNANimously to increase its exit fee to $20 million. That doesn’t sound like VaTech or Seminole is going to be poached.

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Sep 20, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

That would be awesome on so many levels.

I would be irrationally exuberant if Tamu were to be rejected. The tears of Beergut would be a sweet martini, indeed!

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Sep 20, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was so excited about having new friends to be a jackass too

They didn’t know about his chocopocket obsession yet. This would be infinitely amazing. We need like some sort of crying fat man gif on stand by.

"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill

by MeatGeek on Sep 20, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am efforting on that task as I type this...

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Sep 20, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

How 'bout this?

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 20, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eric Stonestreet is a KSU grad.

I will not have him insulted as a stand-in for Beergut! :)

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Sep 20, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And generally he's pretty much a badass dude

"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill

by MeatGeek on Sep 20, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

No idea that was him

Or indeed, who Eric Stonestreet was till I just Googled him. (I don’t watch much TV)

Submission retracted.

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 20, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

More angry than sad...

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Sep 20, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Works well enough

"It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat! "-Hank Hill

by MeatGeek on Sep 20, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, that's awesome.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Sep 20, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that means the ACC probably won't be poached

Why would you agree to raise your exit fees if you had even the slightest interest in leaving for the SEC? Even if you had guarantees that the SEC would pay your exit fees, wouldn’t you want to minimize the damage inflicted on your new conference?

If the ACC is un-poachable, that really limits both the SEC and the Big Ten. That basically leaves West Virginia, UCONN, Cincinnati, Louisville, Rutgers and USF to be divvied up between the Big Ten, ACC and the SEC (to get to 16, anyway).

That is only 6 schools (7 for the Big 10 if Notre Dame is an option) for 9 spots. Assuming the Oklahoma schools and Texas all leave for the PAC, that leaves two or three spots up for grabs.

Who is left to fill those spots? KU, KSU, ISU, TCU, Baylor and Missouri. Unless the SEC or the Big 10 agree to take on a mid-major and bring them those are the only options left. This is also assuming all the Big East schools would be taken over the Big 12 schools. I can’t see either the SEC or the Big Ten being interested in Cincy or ISU, since the Big Ten has those markets fairly covered with OSU/UI (and no AAU membershipfor Louisville, though that is less important) and it is probably too culturally different for the SEC. Nobody wants Baylor.

Let’s say the ACC gets UCONN and USF to get to 16.

Let’s also say that the SEC adds West Virginia (Catbacker98’s rumor notwithstanding) Missouri and TCU/Louisville to get to 16.

That leaves the Big 10 with Notre Dame, KSU/KU and Rutgers. That is four schools and the Big 10 has four spots left open. If they can convince Notre Dame to join, then they will take us in a heartbeat, I think. If they can’t, then They might just stand pat.

That would leave KU/KSU/ISU/Baylor in same boat as last year. Unless the SEC also stands pat at 13 or 14 because they are also very picky/snobby. Then we can salvage a conference out of this mess. It might also prevent the conferences from leaving the NCAA/BCS system (if that really is the goal here), also leaving us a seat at the table, even if it is a child’s chair.

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 20, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

ACC is going Rutgers and UConn

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Sep 20, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unless Rutgers wants Big 10

And there has been Big 10-Rutgers flirting in the past.

If the Big 10 doesn’t want them anymore than I could see that, but I would think Rutgers would choose the Big 10 over the ACC if it came down to it.

That, of course, depends on the Big 10, though. Without Rutgers would the ACC stand pat at 14? I think they would go for USF in that scenario.

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 20, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

They already sent applications to the ACC...and the ACC has publicly said they are their targets.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Sep 20, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rutgers has not sent an application

Unless you have sources stating otherwise?

Everything I;ve read has them keeping their options open between the Big10 and the ACC.

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 20, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Though, of course, with WVU being rejected by both the ACC and SEC

Most of my musing up there is irrelevant.

Basically, the ACC wants Rutgers, but I think they would settle for USF.

This all depends on how much the Big Ten wants to expand.

If the SEC is really find to stay where they are with only 13 members, I’d be surprised. Either they block out aTm by not waiving the legal waiver requirements or they add someone from the Big East, just not sure who that would be from the remaining schools. I guess WVU isn’t something they desire, so it would seem like Missouri gets an offer.

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 20, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

What I just say? The ACC has publicly announced that their first choices for member 15 and 16 are.

Rutgers and UConn.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Sep 20, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only way that changes...ND.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Sep 20, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

And what better way for the Big 10 to push Notre Dame

Than by furthering the destruction of the Big East and nabbing Rutgers?

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 20, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why would they?

UT is so far out of their “footprint” it’s highly unlikely. Especially given that the ACC apparently DOES care about such things.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Sep 20, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then why Notre Dame?

Both bring a lot of eyeballs and both are out of their footprint. I agree with you, but just saying.

by CT-K-Stater on Sep 20, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Notre Dame is about 700 miles from Chapel Hill.

Texas is probably close to twice that. Maryland and Virginia are even closer to South Bend.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Sep 20, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think the B1G will touch Longhorn with a 10 foot pole

JMO. B1G is not stupid. No way they want that tapeworm in their belly.

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Sep 20, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, where has the ACC stated that?

I haven’t even read anything where the ACC publicly says they want to add Rutgers and UCONN.

In fact, the only thing I’ve read is that for now they are content with 14 teams.

All of which is irrelevant. If the Big Ten wants Rutgers, I think they get Rutgers, regardless of the ACC’s interest. That is why it all depends on what the Big Ten wants to do.

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 20, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm wondering here

Look, it is very simple: IF the ACC wanted UConn and Rutgers they would invite them right now. Why the delay?

by CT-K-Stater on Sep 20, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Swofford interviewed on WRAL-TV in Raleigh.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Sep 20, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, my argument wasn't that the ACC wasn't interested in Rutgers

or even that Rutgers wasn’t interested in the ACC. It was that if the Big 10 wants Rutgers (and they are at least interested, if not committed to that idea) they will get them. I think that Rutgers would prefer the Big 10 over the ACC.

Maybe with Pitt, Syracuse and most likely UCONN going to the ACC Rutgers might change it’s mind, but for now I would put my money on Rutgers picking the Big 10 over the ACC if given that option.

If, then, Rutgers (or Notre Dame) says no, then I was suggesting that the ACC would take in USF. However, since they apparantly don’t want WVU because of academics, I don’t know if USF stacks up well in that argument so maybe if they don’t get Rutgers or Notre Dame they just stay at 14.

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 20, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the B10 goes to 16 I'm pretty sure KU/MU/KSU are 3 of them

I think the main question is, will they go all the way up to 16. That’s probably a long shot unless they can get ND in as 1.

by smitty3268 on Sep 20, 2011 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

It opens up lots of possibilities

IF WVU was indeed rejected.

The ACC might hold at 14, the SEC might ask Mizzou to join and then hold at 14. The other side of this would be OU and UT deciding to stay and rebuild the Big-12 and the conference adding Louisville, Cincy and WVU, which would provide a nice Upper South corridor and add to basketball.

I’ve heard that the ACC is dreaming of adding UT and Notre Dame, which seems even more far-fetched than the scenarios I note above.

by CT-K-Stater on Sep 20, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

ACC is not holding at 14...already publicly proclaimed they want 16.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Sep 20, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

UT has a very slim chance at this point.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Sep 20, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say they have no chance.

Apparently geography DOES matter to the ACC.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Sep 20, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, stretching from Boston to Miami

keeps everyone clustered close together. But at least it is contiguous, I’ll give them that much.

by CT-K-Stater on Sep 20, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's the "Atlantic Coast"...

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Sep 20, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hive minded

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 20, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, it does fit in with their name

Atlantic Coast Conference

That is pretty geographically accurate, unlike a school in Texas being in the Big East or the Pacific conference.

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 20, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe Texas can get the Atlantic Ocean to annex the Gulf of Mexico...

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Sep 20, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It read sarcastic to me is all

As in, “Yeah, geography ‘matters’ only because they are contiguous, but otherwise they are really far apart up and down the cost so it really doesn’t.”

That was my impression stemming from the “I’ll give them that much” addendum, which I attributed as being a ridiculing statement as opposed to begrudging respect.

Sorry for the misinterpretation.

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Sep 20, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

No worries, dude

You were right about the sarcasm, so no misunderstanding. Just that I understand the basic geography is all.

by CT-K-Stater on Sep 20, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think ACC would take Texas

But perhaps not under the permissive terms that Texas would want – they might get a better deal just going to the PAC.

ACC definitely won’t let them bring along Texas Tech.

by smitty3268 on Sep 20, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best thing to come out of that meeting would be a firm statement that both schools must stick together.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Sep 20, 2011 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

If they don't

does this mean K-State can finally get that Dentistry School that Morse and Black Cats (I believe) mentioned on an earlier thread that Wefald pushed for and KU blocked?

by CT-K-Stater on Sep 20, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Probably not

Wichita State has already snagged the Dentistry School.

Have no idea what the BOR meeting means. Have found it interesting that there hasn’t been much noise from either K-State or KU about contact with conferences or begging for membership (although some Squawks seem desperate for any solution that seperates them from us). Don’t know what it says, but I am hoping it means that the administrations for the two schools feel their positions are more secure than ISU or Baylor. Although what that position could possibly be I have no idea.

by apewatcher on Sep 20, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

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