K-State Slate: 9.1.11
by TB on Sep 1, 2011 7:03 AM CDT
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September. Football. Yes.
Collin Klein is ready to lead the K-State offense.
We still don't know who is going to start at running back.
Texas A&M officially announced it will withdraw from the Big 12 and apply for membership in a different conference. Haskin wonders if there will be anything left of the Big 12. Meek has a quick look at the schools that have been thrown out as possible additions to the Big 12 (Favorite line: "They're SMU" under the section for why the Ponies aren't a good fit for the Big 12).
In the wake of A&M's departure, BYU issued a statement. They didn't say no. That's a good thing, because of the realistic candidates -- and for now, I'm not counting Notre Dame, Arkansas, Pitt and West Virginia as realistic candidates -- BYU is the best addition to the conference. If Texas A&M's application to the SEC is accepted, and it will be, then I hope the Big 12 can announce that BYU will join the conference beginning June 30, 2012. If we can't get BYU to join, then there is no point in keeping up the charade. We can add Houston or SMU or whomever and limp along until Mizzou or Oklahoma are poached by the Big 10 or SEC of Pac-12 (or KU goes independent LOLOLOL), but if we can't get a quality addition at this point, everyone might as well start looking at their options.
Finally, football returns today. Rejoice. Rejoice.
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aTm statement
Doesn’t the aTm statement kind of say, we might leave if someone else will take us? Maybe the rest of the presidents should get together and re-write things so aTm only gets an equal share of revenue instead of the lopsided agreement.
And can we get the Sunbelt to make them an offer?
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Sep 1, 2011 7:10 AM CDT reply actions
I assume you mean we might want to consider this AFTER they don't get an invite from another conference?
If things are re-written NOW so that aTm gets an equal share instead of the lopsided agreement, and they DO get invited to another conference, then their early exit penalty would be less (and after they do their negotiating with Beebe, the conference would get even less than that).
Unfortunately, I think they already negotiated their discount.
Anything to avoid lawsuits and airing B12 dirty laundry.
"What if all those cats had to recruit like the rest of us?" ----- Texas
by Spider_Monkey on Sep 1, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be sweet
if we could get BYU to commit to joining on June 30, 2012, and then give A&M the fucking boot. I would laugh my ass off.
I think this would be funny as well
But I would venture a guess that being ejected from the conference also means the conference doesn’t get that early exit fee. I know it is not likely Beebe will make them stick to the full $30 million I have seen thrown around, but even $10 million is better than zero.
Or would knowing that aTm shat the bed and has no home be worth it?
The latter. Definitely the latter.
Improve every day. (Read it again. It has more meaning than what you first see.)
There will be no Big 12 conference
which exists in order to collect even the $10 million. You guys don’t get it, sorry. If the league falls to 8 teams, there is no conference. Hence no conference to collect the fees.
oh hail the Purple and White
You should really probably step back from the ledge.
Improve every day. (Read it again. It has more meaning than what you first see.)
Trying to think positive
Both with Klein and with the Big 12.
With Klein I think we can be cautiously optimistic. There is potential, at least IMO, as opposed to Coffman where we knew where the ceiling was.
BYU makes sense, but I think 1 team isn’t enough. The bare minimum for stability and perception looks to be 12 and even if BYU comes, I’m not sure who else could come and make 12 and add stability.
New Mexico and CSU/AF (I'd rather have AF)
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
+10
I’ve been saying for a long time that A/F brings a lot to the table. Political protection for one thing. Good public realations, nationally, because the service academies are respected nationally. New Mexico could grow its football respect by being in a better conference, and they are good at b/ball. Look, with as I said in another post, OU and UT are perceived to be top ten programs. Between Mizzou, Okie, T/tech and KSU and BYU, in most years 3 of those 5 will be in the top 25. To have 5 teams usually in the top 25 is a strong enough football conference. We need to save the conference, and then build the brand. The SEC builds its brand, top to bottom. The big 12 never did that, prefering only to build its brand “at the top.” That has to change if the conference does survive.
oh hail the Purple and White
I think you hit on an important point
The fact that some of these schools don’t have “name” programs and not much tradition in terms of football does not mean they cannot grow their programs once in a BCS conference, with higher TV profiles, expanded recruiting pools and more cash revenue. The Big-12 might lift some of these schools’ programs up, and therefore some cannot be disregarded simply because they don’t immediately move the pulse of college football nation.
I’m coming more and more around to the idea that Memphis might be a solid addition, particularly if Mr. FedEx is willing to drop serious $$$ into the conference should they be added.
Also, if you look west than why not Nevada (good football and hoops), UNLV (obvious TV market), New Mexico (Albuquerque TV market), Air Force or CSU? If the idea is expanding TV markets than these make at least a little sense.
So long as you have the two tentpoles of Oklahoma and Texas the conference has a foundation to build from. And with Mizzou, TTU, Okie State and, yes, K-State, all providing a solid middle-tier the conference is actually pretty strong top-to-bottom football-wise.
Thanks, we saw that last week
I love Missouri’s aid
And welcome to BOTC
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
Don't know if anyone has mentioned this but EcoKat has been erased...
Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
She was so young and full of life.
by Gaknar on Sep 1, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They missed a spot.
Gaze upon her while you still are able.
Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!
If bing born as a crack baby
is indicative of “full of life”, then you, sir, are correct.
Man, and I was hoping that the old white willie the wildcat
could come back as a villian.
(many animals where harmed in the production of this mascot.)
ECOKat villian
He could go on the elementary school trips with ECOKat and threaten to eat them if they don’t recycle. And as I said before many animals where harmed in the production of this mascot.
I miis the eary 90’s when they would announce proudly over the PA at football games that we had the ONLY mascot in the country made from real fur.
by margibso on Sep 1, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where do you think KSU got it from?
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
Everytime I come to this site, I learn something new and beautiful.
You MUST go back to this mascot!
"What if all those cats had to recruit like the rest of us?" ----- Texas
by Spider_Monkey on Sep 1, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish we would
the power cat head Willie is icky.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Sep 1, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's it, you're off the site
Where’s TB?
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
(Whistles nonchalantly)
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Sep 1, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
This might be a bannable offense.
;)
Improve every day. (Read it again. It has more meaning than what you first see.)
you youngsters can't even recognize a Wildcat
/get off my lawn!
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Sep 1, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
a Wildcat is a bobcat.
But as far as mascots go, I think thw current Willie head is much cooler looking than the one pictured above (I DO think it is pretty damn cool it is made of real fur though).
Not liking EcoKat is one thing, but not liking the Willie head is damn near blasphemous in my opinion.
but it is not a Willie the Wildcat head
it is a power cat head.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Sep 1, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
It is a fusion of Willie and the Powecat
The bobcat heat shown above is nothing like “Willie” (the image used only by the Alumni Association now).
I'm having trouble posting images
what I posted looks like this without the brackets, I know the picture is there. Anyone know the problem
img src=“C:\clip_image001.jpg”/
upload them from a file sharing site
like tinypic.com and share them that way.
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Turn out the lights, the party is over
Yea, yea, Jon, just another of those journalist hacks who knows nothing, as opposed to you and K.S.B., the both of whom know all. I get it.
oh hail the Purple and White
Bohls was another one who was spewing tripe and nonsense last summer.
When are you going to learn the difference between a columnist (read: rabblerouser) and a reporter? You are jumping at every possible straw to back up your certitude that we’re doomed. I get enough of that shit from HUSKER fans, thanks.
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I'm just going to start dittoing your replies to Furnace.
Improve every day. (Read it again. It has more meaning than what you first see.)
You're going to be awfully bored, then.
‘cause I’m done with it.
I found out today that a senior FB at D-III Frostburg State died Sunday from severe head trauma caused at practice. Worrying about conference realignment seems sort of pointless in the face of that, and causing myself severe head trauma from beating my skull against my desk seems even moreso.
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That's incredibly sad.
Improve every day. (Read it again. It has more meaning than what you first see.)
We are doomed
unless Longhorn agrees to make major changes in its Network as it relates to the Big 12 (unless, because of the loose Network rules, we could have attracted Notre Dame, and BYU). My hope was the loose rules would have enticed the Domers to the table. Apparently a no go. BYU joining alone may not be enough to placate Sooner, and if not, he schooners off to the Pac, along with Cowboy and Tech (and maybe KU). Then the question (or long secret plan) will be will Longhorn agree to change its Network enough to get into the Pac, and whether the Pac will have Longhorn? I think the last 18 months have been a long Kabuki dance. But I admit, I do not know how this will shake out. I put the odds at the Big 12 surviving another 3 days, even, at less than 30%. So tell me, does anyone here know how this will shake out?
oh hail the Purple and White
For some reason, I have a mental image of a drunk hobo with scraggly hair, carrying a billboard...
Improve every day. (Read it again. It has more meaning than what you first see.)
I think I just saw that guy
He had temporarily removed his billboard to take a piss in a trashcan. But worry not, he put that thing right back on after he finished.
by williewildcrack on Sep 1, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I have an idea how this will shake out.
I see the networks wanting the BCS to be more inclusive as opposed to less inclusive as Larry Scott and most columnists (i.e. militant playoff advocates) will be pontificating.
From a business standpoint, everything you say is true. Consolidation is better. If you want a playoff, consolidation is cleaner. However, what makes college athletics so popular are the rivalries and traditions, and I think we’re going to reach the crossroads in the next six months where some radical thinkers will try to push the envelope farther than the average football fan is willing to go.
I’ve spoken with TB about this at length, and what the networks ultimately want is a more inclusive BCS because it’s more inventory for teams that matter. Less to play for normally equals less interest. Less interest equals less ratings. Less ratings means less inventory, and less inventory means less advertising dollars. A more inclusive BCS accomplishes these things.
I predict that in the next twelve months, we’ll see an increase in the number of BCS teams by six…at least while the Big East still has an AQ bid to the BCS.
Bring on the Cats
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain
I hope you are correct
but I’m in the not sure category at this point.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Sep 1, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Could we please stop this nihilistic fatalist ranting?
If the Big 12-16 is going to work, then something will work out. I am tired of hearing that we do not bring anything to the table even though evidence points to the contrary. We are not going to be left behind even if the conference dissolves. I honestly think something will come together both to replace A&M and get back to a championship game. If not, the sky is not going to fall. Try a a little optimism as it helps add years to your life.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
Still one of my fave members 98...
Gives me hope for what I’ll be like in 10 years.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
As long as Currie is our AD
I think K-State will be alright. I don’t have the energy to give a shit about what any other school may or may not decide to do. Every school is looking out for themselves and K-State is no different.
by williewildcrack on Sep 1, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree
but KSU probably doesn’t have the options a lot of these other schools have. ISU and Baylor aside, next to us KU probably has the least options, but it does have its basketball program to hang its hat on even if its football program is less stellar than ours. Mizzou has had good success in recent years under Pinkel, but mostly has its geography to sell (and no other school in the state to serve as an anchor). Okie State ties itself to Oklahoma, and Tech has the possibility of doing the same with Texas if the ‘Horns opt to join the Pac-12.
We, on the other hand, had better hope the Big-12 survives. I’m not buying into the notion that some BCS conference will take us simply in order to get KU out of concern that the Kansas Board of Regents will block the Jayhawks move. Sorry for being such a pessimist, but until I see signals otherwise I think we’re lost at sea – and it pisses me off because I don’t see some of these other programs as any more attractive than ours.
If things play out like I predict they'll play out, Pitt and Louisville are very much in play...
(Foreshadows post I will try to get up tomorrow…complete with Google Maps).
Bring on the Cats
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain
Thanks for the positive note
I was ready to slit my wrist from the above bad news that we will be lost out in the cold after all this
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
regardless
I’ll always cheer for K-State, nothing will change that.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Sep 1, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I will most likely drop my fascination with college sports if this happens...
It will just sicken me too much.
If we drop down to a mid-major conference, I may as well go root for Washburn or Emporia State. After you drop down below the BCS, it’s all pretty much the same.
(Sorry Morse)
Bring on the Cats
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain
Agreed, and this is where espn
doen’t get it. They will reduce overall interest in big time college football with all these moves. If KSU gets shafted, I will never watch a Lonhorn, OU, Alabama, — name it – game EVER again. Screw them.
We haven’t even discussed the ramifications of all this, should KSU get screwed, on our b/ball program. And right now we shouldn’t. Too damn depressing.
KSB and Jon – you all can be butthurt about Aggie all you want. Aggie did what was best for Aggie. I know who I’m mad at, and it’s the Deathstar. And who, by the way, is in a $300 million partnership with the Deathstar?
oh hail the Purple and White
ESPN doesn't want this...
ESPN and Fox came together to offer way too much money to us to stay together. They WANT more conferences; not less.
The conferences want this because the bigger they get, the bigger of a monopoly they get. If the Pac-12 expands to 16, and they say, “Hey, we want to go exclusively with Fox,” ESPN is out hundreds of millions of dollars. Inventory goes down. They lose the west coast. They can’t let that happen.
ESPN thrives when more teams have more to play for. Why are bowls so successful? Everyone wants to be in the postseason. Everyone wants to be a winner. There’s too much money in inclusion for outside entities because there’s more for them to get a piece of. If they decrease teams, those teams have more bargaining power over the networks because they essentially create an oligopoly, and ESPN loses power.
Bring on the Cats
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain
The horrific effect on the KSU basketball program is what I really care about.
I’ve posted before about my long term pessimism with regard to KSU football. In my heart, I’ve pretty much given up hope that we can be relevant, outside of whatever shot Snyder has left in him.
But more importantly, a move to a non-BCS conference would kill the basketball program, too. At least, as a relevant program. That’s what would be truly heartbreaking to me. If we stay in a BCS conference, we can keep Martin. While Martin is at KSU, we’ll have a relevant program, year-in and year-out. And an outside chance to keep the momentum going should we lose him to someone else.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Sep 1, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Big 12 collapses, we will find a home in the Big East with or without Kansas...
They need to start bracing themselves against other conferences taking their schools. They’ll take anyone and everyone with a BCS status to give their league increased credibility, especially before they negotiate a TV deal in 2012.
We’ll land somewhere in an AQ conference. The odds of us going to the Mountain West or some BS like that is minimal at best.
Super-conferences are the brain child of Larry Scott. You know what his “vision” got him? Colorado and Utah. He swung for the fences and only advanced the runner by infield fly.
We’ll be fine, at least in the short-to-mid term.
Bring on the Cats
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain
Pan, Pan, Pan
All I can say is: God I hope you’re right.
Two things:
1) I completely agree with you that Weasel Larry Scott’s vision of Super Conferences adding up to 64 teams is nonsense. You’re right – that entails simply way too much exclusivity and it will do more to damage TV ratings than improve them. This new Premier League will alienate thousands upon thousands of otherwise interested college football fans by trying to be a semi-pro league based on nothing more than winning national championships a long time ago (UCLA, Pitt, Syracuse, Maryland, Ole Miss, etc, etc), already being in a BCS conference (Washington St., Oregon St. , Miss. St., Vandy, Duke, Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana) and having humungous student enrollments and thus tons of alumni (Penn State, Iowa, UCLA, Maryland, Minnesota).
2) If K-State ends up in the Big Least it will be a massive drag on our football program. Do you get fired up thinking of the big Rutgers or UConn games? What happens to K-State’s recruiting profile and pipelines? Yes, it would be better than nothing because we’d still be in a BCS-qualifier conference. Yes, it would be far, far, far easier to win the conference year-in and year-out. And yes, it would elevate our hoops. But the Big Least is a lost cause if major realignment occurs as the pundits predict. The ACC will still be standing in some form, whether by merger of the leftovers between itself and the Big Least.
Something to consider: It sounds crazy because, well, it is crazy. But if Super Conferences are indeed the future than why not merge the Big-12 with the ACC? Why not 18- or 20-team conferences? The SEC and/or Big-10 will pluck some schools from both conferences and the leftovers merge. The Big-12 would stay anchored to the south and southwest and pick up some major TV markets, plus add to its basketball and baseball. If Larry Scott had been a true visionary he would have tried to have a full merger (or at least a partnered TV contract) between the Pac-10 and Big-12 last year and thus controlled all the major football west of the Mississippi. But he’s an ex-Women’s Tennis TV executive elitist prick who talks a big game and fumbles the snap on the 1-yard line – kind of like a certain QB did last year against Mizzou right before the half.
Did you see my super conference solution?
It’s here.
4 conferences of 24. 2 divisions of 12 in each conference. Sets up nicely for a four round playoff. Divisional Champ, Conference Champ, Semis, Final.
No one has even commented on it…
I has a sad.
:-)
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Agreed.
I already root against the Pac 12 and Big 10 in every game.
If this were to happen I’d be done with college football. And while I’d probably still watch, I’d be damn sickened even if we land somewhere in the BCS and ISU, Baylor, or anyone else gets left out of a realignment (yes, even Baylor).
Me too
I’d hate to see Iowa State or Baylor get tossed aside, much as I’d hate to see it happen to us. That’s why whatever happens now the Big-12 needs to at least come out swinging and show some vision. If 14+ conferences are the future than let’s get there as fast as possible. All the boats would be lifted in the process.
Rest assured, if K-State gets left out of any realignment with the big boys, I too am done watching those god-awful Little-10 power puff games that ESPN shoves down our throats each Saturday at 12:30pm EST out here. Nothing says boring and uninspiring like Penn State-Purdue.
Speaking of awful marketing...
How about that press conference that Beebe with the video about unity and togetherness? Talk about shortsighted and misguided feelings about the way the conference was operating. Really amusing in my opinion.
Eco Beebe?
Reuse, recycle, ridiculous?
"What if all those cats had to recruit like the rest of us?" ----- Texas
by Spider_Monkey on Sep 1, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
following is the kind of football news that warms the heart
This is what sports should be about! Damn, I am mad at our “leaders.” (not saying KSU leaders in particular, but the leaders of our society, overall).
oh hail the Purple and White
by Furnace76 on Sep 1, 2011 5:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That's fricking awesome.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
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