A&M Makes It Official ... Again
by BracketCat on Aug 31, 2011 12:30 PM CDT
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PrintSo Texas A&M officials spend all of Tuesday denying they sent a letter of withdrawal to the conference, only to announce it officially less than 24 hours later?
Ladies and gentlemen, that's Chocopockets for you. Discuss.
Also, Chip was wrong again. Surprise!
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Well this should take off some of the heat from the ekocat...
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well played chocopockets.
well played.
by WillieWannabe on Aug 31, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
not that I was going to anyways but
Rick Perry has just lost my vote
by ElephantHouse on Aug 31, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Schadenfreude, oh, schadenfreude
I really hope the SEC has 4 schools that say Nyet.
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by Anon_the_younger on Aug 31, 2011 11:54 AM CDT reply actions
So now we see if Beebe is really worth a damn.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky
No, now we see what Deloss Dodds' plans were the whole time.
Black and Gold!
by Spider_Monkey on Aug 31, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Well that was a given.
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by Catbacker98 on Aug 31, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do I see this polluting our conference in the near future?
I don’t have anything against the school, but our conference doesn’t need another small private school no one cares about from Texas!
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Yes but we would gain Craig James and a bunch of murdered hookers.
Bonus.
Black and Gold!
by Spider_Monkey on Aug 31, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought Miami
Had the hooker market cornered?
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
Someone's not keeping up with his internet memes.
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Guess I missed that one
Link?
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
/posts eleventy billion different links
to “Craig James killed five hookers while at SMU” jokes
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Oh, that one.
Yeah. I saw that. I just just attempting at a more modern joke in relation to the U situation. I thought you were referring to something newer.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
I didn't think it was a joke...
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Black and Gold!
by Spider_Monkey on Aug 31, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
and if you can get a sign referencing this on gameday, you will be a legend.
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by Anon_the_younger on Aug 31, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just don't see any way SMU gets (back) in.
At the end of the day, these conference realignment issues largely center around television markets, how big those markets are, and how many television sets a particular school can put into a TV contract. 1) UT largely has the DFW market locked up, so saying that SMU can bring that market is folly, 2) Even assuming, arguendo, that SMU could bring some part of that market, it wouldn’t be enough because of a lack of a substantial alumni base, local fan base, and national following.
Essentially, they just don’t bring anything to the table other than being a geographical fit.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
UT likes its influence
How better to increase that influence than by adding another puppet to the league (along with Baylor and TT)? Nevermind SMU will never be competitive in anything anyone cares about (Baylor rules women’s bball for example).
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They had no choice.
All the probation meant no TV for ANYONE, since that was the preferred punishment back then.
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by jonfmorse on Aug 31, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's oversimplifying why the SWC broke up, imo.
Yes, there was rampant cheating, and something had to be done, but in addition by that time, Arky had bolted for the SEC leaving the SWC with nothing but Texas schools. It was right when these large national tv contracts were starting to appear, and the SWC was viewed as a regional network by the TV people. The members that joined the Big 8 had to do so in order to have a larger footprint to dispell the “regional” stigma and warrant that sort of contract, and the SEC dissolved accordingly.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
Whoops, you slipped...
…and said that UT, TAMU, Tech and BU “joined the Big 8” rather than saying that “the two conferences merged.”
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Aug 31, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you sure in retrospect it wasn't a hostile takeover?
ever felt like you’ve been “texassed?”
Black and Gold!
by Spider_Monkey on Aug 31, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Semantics, as far as I'm concerned.
I know some harp on that language choice, but at the end of the day it was a mutually beneficial merger or aquisition that benefitted all parties in terms of television money. Kind of a form over substance thing when people make a big deal out of that if you ask me.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
Texas insisted that it be a new legal entity,
but everyone knows that for all practical purposes, the 4 SWC teams joined the Big 8. It’s stupid that they pretend that the Big 8 didn’t expand, and those records from pre-1996 don’t exist. Absolute nonsense.
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Oh
So I inadvertently hit a sore spot. Noted.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
Not a sore spot.
I just think it’s stupid.
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No, it's really not.
See, you’re pointing at the changing media landscape, which twirls right back around to this: who’s going to sign a big rights deal with a conference they can’t trust to keep its teams available for broadcast? And if Texas, all by itself, is worth a $300M contract, then the SWC as a whole could have gotten a reasonable deal if anyone had any respect for them left.
It ALL came down to the cheating culture. ALL of it.
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by jonfmorse on Aug 31, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Plus their locker room is a strip club.
Definitely looks like the sort of place Nevin Shapiro would frequent.
If it does...
…then we’re dead. Might as well just shut it down. You know, kind of like the NCAA did to SMU in 1987.
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by TB on Aug 31, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
And yet another SB blog I can unsubscribe from I Am The 12th Man.
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how do you unsubscribe from blogs?
I’ve had the UCLA one on my list and I don’t really need it anymore.
by WillieWannabe on Aug 31, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Under your profile at the bottom under blog memberships it has a "leaving blog" in red.
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Unless you've ever commented there.
In which case, you’re stuck with it.
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I asked for a refund on my Chocopockets.
They are old and stale at this point.
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Why'd you ever sign up in the first place?
Only Big 12 blog I never joined. There’s nobody intelligent there to talk with anyway.
Beergut is not intelleigent?
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There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
by lnghrn53 on Aug 31, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That dude the Joker's eyeballing looks like Dick Cheney.
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Or his polar opposite, Tim Gunn.
Black and Gold!
by Spider_Monkey on Aug 31, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
So then what's the time table to anticipate the next announcement
Of what the Big 12 decides to do? I think it would speak volumes of the leadership if they had an announcement to make tomorrow.
“On June 30th, 2012 the Big 12 conference will officially welcome _________ to fill the void which Texas A&M University has decided to leave”
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Hopefully, they wouldn't call it a "void." Feeds Aggy ego too much.
I’d say: “officially welcome BLANK to upgrade the conference to a new television market because we already control every square inch of Texas.”
I'm sorry...
of all the things that occurred since 1996, what leads us to believe that anybody in the Big XII has any idea what they are doing?
They are reactionary at best. Expect an announcement about how much everybody loves being a part of the Big IX conference and that we really only wanted 9 team all along (heck, we thought they would never leave).
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Aug 31, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I am polishing off my old "Big 8" media guides right now in anticipation.
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by Catbacker98 on Aug 31, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope the B12 owns the B8 logo still.
We might just need it for a month or two.
Black and Gold!
by Spider_Monkey on Aug 31, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
To be fair, they've been consistent on the "aggressive expansion" talking point ever since this crap started in July.
Now whether they can actually pull it off is another matter entirely. We’ll see.
"Aggressive expansion"
cannot stop with just one team, that team being BYU or not.
At that point it would be akin to caulking the Titanic after it hit the iceberg. You can’t continue to oversell and underperform as a conference brand.
As has been discussed in previous threads, the Big-12 on the field of athletic competition is simply outstanding. Off the field in the battle of conference expansion and league stability/happiness it is a disaster. Fingers can be pointed and blame can be laid at many doorsteps, but until ironclad agreements are put forth for members to sign this $#it will continue until the “conference” consists of Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, KSU and maybe Texas (for sake of their Olympic sports and scheduling purposes) and Texas Tech.
Don't forget Baylor! As much as I would like to
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I reed so gud I ought ta go ta Tejas A 'n M
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As I mentioned before we swithched threads....
The A&M letter stated they would leave IF they were offered a spot in another conference. It will most likely happen but the Big-12 should come out right now and tell A&M they are gone regardless. They have made their intentions known and they should be gone whether they get a new conference or not. Enough of this foolishness.
You know when I'll finally be able to laugh about all of this?
Three years from now, when Aggy has finished in the SEC West basement two years in a row and has become Ole Miss’ bitch.
Nothing like taking it up the ass from Admiral Ackbar to make you nostalgic for the good ol’ days of being in a conference with Texas.
Sure, K-State likely will be screwed all to hell by then, but schadenfreude is all that is left to me at this point.
You can be first mate of the SS Schadenfreude (it's my boat).
by Itchy n Scratchy on Aug 31, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I try to avoid placing "SS" and any German word next to each other.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
How many and who do we bring in?
I say three for now…BYU, TCU and Air Force. There are a million combinations out there and this is just one possibility.
If we can't get BYU, then it's goodbye Big 12
But I think BYU is the only (realistic) school that we should offer without really doing much research. I’d like to see some research to see just exactly what TCU and Air Force can bring to the conference.
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Agreed on the research...
What BYU and AF gives us is a consistant national following. The down side to AF is sports other than football. However joining the Big-12 would definately boost their recruiting and help those programs grow.
Hell we had better get somebody
otherwise we’ll be petitioning to get into the MWC so we can play AF every year.
I'm trying hard but some of this sabermetrics stuff sounds madeup.
That one is good, but no more Texas schools
Bad things happen down there. Longhorn will never agree to Horny Frog. I say Louisville, but it appears that ain’t gonna happen. I bet KU is nixing that one.
I say, just get three more decent shools, and build the brand. Okie State, Mizzou, and yes, K-State have the potential to be year in year out top 25 football programs. With OU and UT firmly perceived to be top 10 programs, we get three to five more consistently flirting with the top 25 in football, and we are a darn good conference. Why our leadership can’t see this is beyond me.
oh hail the Purple and White
Why would KU have a problem with Louisville?
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Texas would never let a team into the conference that they know would have an actual good chance of beating them
plus you don’t need another stooge for UT’s interests. I wonder what stunt they’ll come up with next to leverage their advantage. I wonder what the spread will be on the first big K-State – Colorado State game.
I'm trying hard but some of this sabermetrics stuff sounds madeup.
KU would love to have Louisville and Memphis.
But Louisville isn’t likely to come from what I’ve read. They’re happy in a hoopy ball conference with a great chance at a BCS pass.
Black and Gold!
Yeah, I
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Aug 31, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Woops, meant to say
Yeah, I’ve heard that it would be impossible to pry Louisville out of the Big East, and that getting BYU would be a super long shot.
Which sucks, because those schools would actually bring something to the table.
In a situation like this though, we may just have to live with a stop gap solution like SMU or Houston.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Aug 31, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
No stop gap solutions
they don’t work.
oh hail the Purple and White
I don't want them either
Just not sure how much of a choice we have. People keep saying “BYU! Louisville!” And I haven’t seen anything suggesting we could get these schools.
Let’s not forget, the only school to publicly come out and say “hey we’d get down with the Big 12” is SMU…
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Aug 31, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
And Memphis I believe.
But that was before the Chocopockets left.
Black and Gold!
by Spider_Monkey on Aug 31, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh crap, check this out"
http://www.tigerboard.com/boards/missouri-tigers.php?message=8809292
Does this site have any credibility?
oh hail the Purple and White
From the impresssion I've been given on RockM
Random sidewalk nut job has more credibility than tigerboard.
by smbz5b on Aug 31, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes this is very true.
But that link seems like they were sourcing some other guy.
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by Gaknar on Aug 31, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
At first, I thought you were talking about our fearless leader here at BOTC.
Things were ’bout ta get ugly!
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by K.S.B. on Aug 31, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Merge the Big East and Big 12 for football
get a jump on SEC, Pac 12 and Big 10 on this “superconference” thing. Getting the NY market (although smallest big market out there) would command higher 2nd tier TV revenue.
probably most importantly I would get to go to games when I go home.
No one really "gets" the NYC market
Because its not a college football town. But I guess with cable subscriptions that point is irrelevant.
While your idea makes some sense, the trouble comes with the Big East’s unwieldy design which was founded upon hoops. A clean break of the football schools with the basketball-only schools would allow this to happen, but does the Big-12 want Rutgers and UConn and South Florida?
If something like a Big Least raid by the Big-12 were to happen it would make sense to pluck Louisville, West Virginia and Pitt and maybe a Cincinnati or ‘Cuse. That would allow the Big-10 and SEC to plunder the ACC and the ACC survivors to swipe the Big East leftovers. Either way it wouldn’t be pretty. And it would give the Big-12 a new northeast trajectory when demographics and recruiting pools are trending southward.
Longhorn not wanted out west
I went over to the UCLA board. Apparently movement afoot to have Sooner, Cowboy and Ttech move west. Speculation is, who should be the 4th team?. My best is it’s KU. The sentiment there is no one wants Longhorn. I think UT has butt screwed themselfs – or they wanted to go independent all along.
And Wildcat better have a plan. The Big East sucks in my book (too much distance). This is a very bad day.
oh hail the Purple and White
The Kansas legislature will not
ride to our rescue. In this environment, no politician will stand in the way of KU leveraging its hoops tradition into a good landing spot. Not gonna happen.
oh hail the Purple and White
I'm not sure how much better the Big East is for basketball
Big benefits on the surface are better competition every year and playing teams in a recruiting hot bed we already mine often.
BUT on the flipside, KU has no problem recruiting the east coast already despite playing in the Big 12. Not sure if the Pac 12 changes that at all. Plus you are asking KU to go to a conference in which it is assuredly going to lose more games and have a much tougher time winning the league…
The big east is the better basketball scenario, but I’m not sure if it is better enough to mitigate all the benefits from a league like the Pac 12, Big 11 etc (not saying we have a shot at them, just hyperbole)
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Sep 1, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
That was the talk before the Big 12 was saved last year
And some Pac 10 official’s plane was rumored to have visited Lawrence (or maybe it did I can’t remember). Not sure how relevant any of it was back then or now.
As for Texas, the stuff I read was basically that schools like USC (or maybe just USC alone) did not want another super power to compete with in Football. Funny, because both schools are coming off seasons that are a far cry from the success they enjoyed a few years ago.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Aug 31, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
If not the Big East then you have to find a way to keep and strengthen the Big 12
unless you want to commit athletic suicide and join the Sun Belt.
I'm trying hard but some of this sabermetrics stuff sounds madeup.
I know KU thinks that PAC12 would take them
but I don’t see it. If they did end up raiding 4 B12 teams, I think Mizzou would be #4 over KU. And if they were already taken by the B10 or SEC, then I think the PAC12 would still look elsewhere – UNLV for example.
I'm pretty sure KU and KSU would end up in the Big East
Maybe Mizzou as well, if the SEC/B10 chose not to expand and take them
Best statement of Lonhorn/Espn problem:
"When you have one member in bed with a multi-billion dollar partner that happens to have a tremendous influence over not only the finances of the sport in the form of TV revenues in the billions, but also in the narrative of that sport by determining which universities get national exposure every week, it’s an imperfect situation for member schools. And if you are universities like Texas A&M and Oklahoma that command value in the college sports marketplace, you have options. In fact, you have very attractive options in other conferences that provide a fair and equitable conference affiliation without having to worry about what ESPN will do next."
oh hail the Purple and White
My theory is that Beergut is actually R. Bowen Loftin.
No other explanation for this stupidity makes any sense.
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by K.S.B. on Aug 31, 2011 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Here's what I propose
We raid the Missouri Valley and get North Dakota State, Missouri State, and Northern Iowa to upgrade to division 1 football and join the conference. Then we go back to North and South divisions split like so:
North:
Kansas State
Kansas
Iowa State
North Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
South:
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
Missouri
That looks fairly balanced to me :)
Good God Almighty
Although I’d love a shot at Northern Iowa every year for revenge reasons. At least adding North Dakota State gives KU a team it can beat in foot…..wait….goddamit
FML
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 31, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I know you're joking, but..
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by mystman995 on Aug 31, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
North Dakota State's not going anywhere
without other Dakota schools. Hell, they’ve been trying to get the band back together since the day after it broke up.
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by jonfmorse on Aug 31, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are they Canadian?
/Rush’d
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by Spider_Monkey on Aug 31, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
The two North Dakota schools
haven’t been in the same conference since 2005. There really isn’t anything binding them together at this point.
No, but they've been in the same conference with SDSU for over a hundred years.
The point is, they’ve been trying to get all four teams back INTO the same conference since the day UND and USD decided to follow suit and move up to D-I.
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Do you have a connection to one of these schools?
I graduated from North Dakota State. Just curisious since you are talking about them.
A connection? No.
But I do follow things, and the old NCC is one of my pets. UND and USD both applied to the Summit/MVFC last year. USD got in; UND got blocked because of the nickname controversy.
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Yea, apparently the NCAA is forcing them the change their name.
When I was going to NDSU there was a big push in 2003 to change the name. It ultimately failed due to the vicious opposition. It was a really divisive issue for the UND faithful
I've been trying to tell people, Chip Brown isn't as "in" as he pretends to be.
Also, Chip was wrong again. Surprise!
I’ve got a friend who used to work in a Big 12 athletic department, and he’s almost always more “in the know” than Chip Brown, in that he’s been right a higher percentage of the time than Brown. Brown just has people in the Texas athletic department that sometimes tell him things they want the public to know.
Improve every day. (Read it again. It has more meaning than what you first see.)
Chip's tweets and stories also...
…have a remarkable tendency to be exactly what most Texas fans want to hear.
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by TB on Aug 31, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep.
He definitely preaches to the choir a lot. My friend actually has “called” a lot of the developments of the last 16 months or so. I don’t post what he tells me here, though, because he usually gets it from people he knows who are still “plugged-in”, so it’s second-hand by the time it gets to me. But the things he’s told me have almost uniformly turned out to be true. Unlike Chip Brown, though, he’s not an attention whore…
Improve every day. (Read it again. It has more meaning than what you first see.)
Brown works in media
and just wants to drive up volume on Orangebloods so I don’t fault him.
However, the idea that Pitt is an adequate replacement for A&M (and by extension Nebraska and Colorado, too) is absurd. Pitt doesn’t play on campus anymore and instead uses the Steelers stadium. When I’ve tuned into Big Least games the stadium always seems lifeless and half-full. Contrast that with Lincoln or College Station on a game day.
I like Pitt a lot, its a fine academic school with tremendous football tradition (try Dan Marino, Tony Dorsett and Larry Fitzgerald on for alums, plus a national championship in ‘76) and a good basketball program. But…thinking it will sever its ties to all the schools it traditionally has played (most importantly West Virginia, but Syracuse as well) in order to swap bad football/elite basketball for elite football/good basketball without the prospect of conference stability is ridiculous. They will have a landing place if the Big Least breaks apart, so why jump to the Big-12? Unless the conference starts making concrete gestures to actually be viable long-term it doesn’t make much sense, and adding Pitt isn’t enough to move the meter without tacking on two more expansion schools in the process.
FOX TV contracts are nice, but when you lose 3 members in the span of 14 months it simply doesn’t look good no matter how wondrous the make-up artist in wardrobe may be. I still believe in the Big-12, but they need to come right out swinging – hard.
by CT-K-Stater on Aug 31, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only thing I disagree with here is the implication that the Big East has "stability."
Otherwise, you’re right on point.
Improve every day. (Read it again. It has more meaning than what you first see.)
Believe me,
I’m not implying the Big Least has stability at all. In fact, I would argue it has less stability than the Big-12 being situated right between the ACC and Big-10 and without a Texas/Oklahoma foundation of power football schools to keep it upright. I’m just saying that Pitt may as well stay home in the Big Least and wait for the roof to collapse because if/when it does it will have a new home in the Big-10 or ACC. They will get scooped up. No need to run off to the Big-12 unless our conference makes some serious changes.
I was at the backyard brawl last year and it was packed. I understand that is filled up
with both schools but it was a good atmosphere. I just think this is a slippery slope, since I live in SEC country I hate when people say that they would never take a school like Kstate because of it’s little stadium and game atmosphere (I believe doesnt do itself justice on TV). Times are changing and we arent going to replace the huskers with anything similar.
Very true
But the Backyard Brawl tends to be the exception – and it is just one game.
Again, Pitt has a good football tradition and I have nothing against adding Pitt. If you do so you probably have to add West Virginia, too (outstanding fan base). I just don’t see it as likely. Pitt will have options if the college football conference house of cards collapses. Unless they see a concrete effort for stability in the Big-12 – no “verbal agreements”, but actual signed statements with exorbitant exit fees that make any exodus unlikely – they cannot feel the Big-12 presents them with a best-option.
As for SEC folks stating they don’t want K-State due to its tiny stadium and game atmosphere that is sheer ignorance. Yes the stadium is quite small by SEC/Big-10 standards, but then so is Oregon’s. K-State has outstanding game-day atmosphere and a loud stadium. Christ, every time I watch a KSU game on TV that’s all the announcers talk about is how loud it is. No KSU fan would claim to be on par with LSU or Tennessee when it comes to the magnitude of their game-day atmosphere, but in terms of making the most of what it has K-State doesn’t take a backseat to too many programs. It cannot be argued that K-State does not have a passionate fan base.
I hear you, my man
Just had to vent on that point – not at you, but at the general ignorance of folks in SEC-land. Of course their ignorance is a bit more excusable than when I hear fans of other Big-12 schools say, “What does K-State bring to the table?”
ATL Jim
I feel your pain. I was in Atlanta for the last 8 years, and that crap drove me crazy.
I’m back in the cozy confines of the Little Apple now though, and all seems right with the world.
Have you discovered the Atlanta KSU Alumni Club? Pretty good group of people. I can get you contact info if you are interested.
no offensive but Brown puts it out there, your friend doesn't..
he is becoming such a voice that I am not sure A&M didn’t change their plans to contradict the current reports out there. I mean there seems to be no pattern to the method in which they released statements this week.
That's a convenient explanation for Brown, yes.
And I don’t take offense, because my friend isn’t in position to put this stuff out there. I could be like Brown if I wanted, I guess, and use my friend’s info to look like a swami or something, but like I said, it’s secondhand, so even though he’s right a lot more than Brown (who is only right when his UT “contacts” feed him things they want out there) I wouldn’t feel right about using that information.
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If the conference is in such disarray that we can't attract BYU.
Then It’s a pretty clear signal that the Big 12 is a boubonic plague ridden sinking ship.
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Pretty much my thoughts
Someone better start doing a rain dance in the Big-12 offices ’cause the landscape is looking pretty dry.
Its a Longhorn infested league
and we have a commissioner that has done nothing that can be considered proactive since this crap started happening. Exactly what does Beebe get paid to do anyway (other than apparently jerk Mack Brown off in his office twice a week)?
I'm trying hard but some of this sabermetrics stuff sounds madeup.
Mack?
I heard it was DeLoss.
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either way he's probably "on the job" right now
I'm trying hard but some of this sabermetrics stuff sounds madeup.
BYU would be insane to say no, if offered.
The Pac 10 wants no part of them (can you imagine BYU-Berkley games?!?), so what’s the next best option?
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Staying independent?
I agree. They would be better off in a BCS conference and no way in hell will the Pac-12 ever offer them. None. Not with Cal-Berkley, Stanford, UCLA, Washington and Oregon in the conference.
I heard that it is even more complicated.
I don’t know the details, but apparently BYU would not be able to sign on to the PAC-12 athletic code of conduct for religious reasons and would have to request a waiver. My money is that it has something to do with discrimination based on sexual orientation.
BYU might not be able to join them even if invited.
Imagine the hell storm
BYU would evoke on the UC-Berkley and UCLA campus’s if it requested this waiver.
That was most definitely a "We're not saying no" comment.
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Which is probably meant to be their way of "flirting" with us...
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by K.S.B. on Aug 31, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bad stereotype alert:
Mormons are very, VERY good at flirting. Trust me.
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by jonfmorse on Aug 31, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Small Sample Size*
But I concur with this assessment.
- = 1
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This has nothing to do with flirting, but every time I hear/read Mormon, I think of this
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by Sean T on Aug 31, 2011 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, did you know the ancient Isrealites sailed to Utah to bury ancient religious artifacts?
I know, RIGHT?
Black and Gold!
by Spider_Monkey on Aug 31, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, it sure as hell wasn't north of I-70.
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by jonfmorse on Aug 31, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I must admit,
Mormonism is one of the weirdest “mainstream” religions out there.
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by K.S.B. on Aug 31, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
So Scientology isn't mainstream?
If it is, we need to have a weird off.
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That would be a true clash of the weirdness titans.
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As I said...double speak.
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by Catbacker98 on Aug 31, 2011 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Finally read the statement
What I found most revealing was the final note that they would make no futher comments or statements. I seems like this non-commital statement was solely for the purpose of not having to answer all of the sports reporters that are going to constantly bug them about this.
A very solid, no comment at that
So you’re saying there’s a chance?
while BYU’s not the grand slam of Notre Dame, or the blast of a solo shot that Arkansas is, they’re at least an impressive athletic stand up triple. Whereas the likes of Air Force is a stand up double, and Memphis is reaching 2nd on an error, and New Mexico is a Billy Butler single and SMU’s a fielder’s choice out..
"Nor yet in Dell?"
by GTcat on Aug 31, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
That statement says nothing and is mere double speak.
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by Catbacker98 on Aug 31, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that statement is a read-between-the-lines "we'd listen if you called."
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Exactly.
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by Catbacker98 on Aug 31, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Dear Texas A&M...
I hope you contract ass herpes and die of face AIDS. Fuck you.
Your dogs are gay too. Fuck them also.
Yours in Christ,
PJ
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by Panjandrum on Aug 31, 2011 8:04 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
That's... umm... I don't know...
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by Panjandrum on Aug 31, 2011 8:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I just learned about the creepy mascot grave site and private viewing screens.
I thought there is no way that is real and then I did some research…WOW.
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by Catbacker98 on Aug 31, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
They're certainly very strange.
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I like Reveille. :(
Everything else about A&M may bother me, but that’s one handsome dog.
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I think our main issue is their worship of the dead dogs.
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Is there an altar where one gives bones and water bowls?
Cause that is ancient Egypt creepy right there.
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by Catbacker98 on Aug 31, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't say anything.
We have a graveyard out behind the sheds.
With markers.
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And a big screen TV?
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by Catbacker98 on Aug 31, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, okay, that's a little extreme.
But let’s just say that the graveyard does get visited from time to time.
(Not by me; I’m not sentimental enough for that nonsense.)
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I know nobody will agree with me but...
I feel like this conference will completely implode if Texas stays in it and has their way so why not just kick Texas out? If that happens A&M will probably stay and I bet we could get BYU, Boise St., and TCU to join and be back to 12. If ESPN wants out of the TV deal then, fine, I’m sure Versus would be right there to offer a really good deal since the Big 12 would be better top to bottom than it was before. For those who think the conference can’t survive without Texas, well… they probably can’t survive with them either.
Jesus wept.
This conference will die if Texas ISN’T in it. I’m not fond of committing suicide now while I’m still ambulatory because I might be bedridden five years from now, thanks.
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We DO seem to have our fair share of Chocopockets-style anger at UT, that's for sure.
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Great argument K.S.B.
you’re the best. Congrats. If someone disagrees with your view of the world, you accuse them of being overly emotional, butthurt, and immature. Simply for disagreeing with you. Very effective. Changes alot of minds.
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I'm sorry Furnace, but your long rambling posts don't help your cause either
Yeah, Sean Snyd… err… KSB can be a jerk, but I think that’s true of everyone here (except for TB, for some reason).
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But I don't call other people names or flatly tell them they are wrong,
simply for disagreeing with me. I don’t really care to change anyone’s mind. I just try to put a differenct perspective on things. Winning internet arguments is overrated – doesn’t pay very well.
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Flatly telling people who are wrong that they are wrong isn't wrong.
Just sayin’…
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Great - thanks for clearing that up!
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You're welcome.
Glad to help!
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You do a great job of putting a different perspective on things, and I appreciate that
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The conference can't survive WITH Texas so why not try something different?
Nebraska, Colorado, A&M are gone and now Mizzou is rumored to be looking for an out, all because of Texas. Can you really replace those 4 with SMU, Houston, Rice, and some other scrub?
Yes.
As long as Texas and OU are willing to stay, there WILL be a Big 12.
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Really?
Because 3 teams have bailed in a year and another is looking for a way out. How many more will follow suit? Sounds like this conference is doing a great job of staying together.
Which team will be the next to go, then?
Oklahoma? No, they’re run by adults, and not by their butthurt fans. The only school where there’s any worry at all is Mizzou, and I don’t see that happening, mainly because there’s nowhere for them to go.
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Ohhhh, you didn't
Don’t be letting Mizzou fans hear you saying that.
Disagree
OU wants no part of the SEC, unless they absolutely have to go there. What they would be interested in is an offer from the PAC12, or possibly the B10. OSU will just follow whatever OU does, so they are no concern.
Which scrub did you have in mind to replace TEXAS with, then?
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Boise State, for one.
Their rich junior college tradition would swap nicely with what UT brings to the table, wouldn’t it?
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North Dakota and North Dakota State.
Do you know how many NCAA championships those two schools have between them?
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And they'd slide right in as members of the North Division!!!!
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Like I said its pretty much a 1 or 4 trade
Texas is out, A&M stays,BYU, TCU, and Boise St. are in. It might not be as much money but its split evenly, everyone is happy and the conference is STABLE, which is not the reality now. With Texas in the league everyone is looking for the right situation to get out and its going to eventually be Texas and the C-USA, WAC, whoever else leftovers.
I will take UT and OU with KU, us, and "whoever else leftovers"
over your non-UT plan every single day of the week.
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So you agree OU is the key?
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OU and Missouri.
As long as they stay, Texas stays; as long as all three stay, everything is groovy.
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I don't see Mizzou as nearly that important.
I don’t think the conference goes away without them.
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by K.S.B. on Aug 31, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It does if we haven't reloaded first.
Texas has already made it mostly clear that if we fall to 8 teams, they’re washing their hands of it.
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While I agree that Mizzou by itself
won’t implode the conference, I think that if Mizzou leaves, no reputable school will look at us as a viable conference to join, and we’ll be stuck with the SMU’s of football as our only options. Sometimes, perception becomes reality…and we can’t afford to be perceived any weaker than we already are.
Mizzou stays if OU stays
If OU goes, so goes MU. So again, I think it’s in OU’s hands.
oh hail the Purple and White
And to try to bring some clarity to the thinking -
since maybe we are getting there – OU ain’t stayin if there are not major changes with the Longhorn Network.
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You base that on what?
OU is looking at their own network, from everything I’ve read. They are most certainly NOT like the Chocopockets.
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So what, OU is looking at their own network
Oklahoma doesn’t have enough tv sets to make their own network highly profitable. Big deal “OU is looking at their own network.”
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Well, now THAT is a sterling argument.
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How about an OU + OSU network?
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I'm sorry, man, but you're pulling this out of your ass.
OU has publicly stated that their concerns with the LHN have already been addressed to their satisfaction. Not “hemm haww we’ll see what happens.” They’re satisfied with the NCAA ruling and the end result.
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Here's the post from just yesterday
from the Tulsa World:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/article.aspx?subjectid=202&articleid=20110830_202_B1_Whatif864434
I don’t put much stock in “public pronouncements.”
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Particularly when those definitive, non-equivocating statements don't support your theories.
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Well, read this collum
and tell me things aren’t on thin ice with regard to OU:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/article.aspx?subjectid=202&articleid=20110831_202_B1_NORMAN365879
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There is absolutely nothing in that article hinting at OU dissatisfaction. Nothing.
It’s all “what if?” questions posed to Stoops. That’s it.
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Furnace, it's the same guy.
He has his theories, and that’s fine. But no, it doesn’t come close to any level of actual proof. It’s just one guy with an opinion column, and nothing more. Fortunately—unlike A&M—Oklahoma has actual adults running their athletic department, and not angry fans.
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The only mention of OU having issues is unnamed sources.
And as we’ve already established, in this day and age of twitter shit-flinging to see what sticks to the wall (as well as all the unnamed sources who are just flat fucking WRONG 70% of the time), I put ZERO stock in columnists referring to unnamed sources.
Here’s some things unnamed sources have been wrong about in just the last TWO WEEKS:
*A letter was sent by A&M announcing they were leaving, confirmed by highly-placed sources. Only… it hadn’t been.
*The SEC had already decided to invite Texas A&M, and the SEC President’s meeting was a formality. Only, they didn’t.
*The SEC was also prepared to extend invitations to (pick any number of seven different schools).
And then there were all the “sources confirm” reports from last year, including the ones asserting that UT/A&M/OU/OSU to the Pac-10 was a done deal, the ones asserting A&M to the SEC last year was a done deal, the ones asserting that the Big Ten was inviting Pitt, Rutgers, and Missouri… oh, yeah, and Texas to the Big Ten, if you’ll recall, was a “confirmed report” by our pal Chip.
No, I do not choose to put any stock whatsoever in these “unnamed source” reports anymore. NONE. They’re not just wrong sometimes; they’re not just wrong half the time. They’re wrong the vast MAJORITY of the time, because modern journalists are lazy fucks who just stir shit up based on the rumors they’re fed.
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by jonfmorse on Aug 31, 2011 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Even Longhorn fans are starting to see the light
Apparently at least one over at BON is beginning to see the light too.
http://www.burntorangenation.com/2011/9/1/2397530/lhn-means-independence-or-crappy-conference
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Oh, man, Furnace.
The guy who posted that signed up for SBN two weeks ago, and he’s made two posts. The other one was a troll post.
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by jonfmorse on Sep 1, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's very likely that the person isn't even a UT fan.
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Listen can it survive? Yes.
But I for one am getting tired of losing all of the history of match-ups against former Big 8 teams and want a “calming of the waters” in that respect. A&M going is not nearly a let down as watching Mizzou take a walk.
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by Catbacker98 on Aug 31, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
I believe that UT and OU are the keys. I would also say that I’d be willing to have UT, KU, KSU, and “whoever else leftovers” in place of a non-UT plan. I get that some people hate the very idea of UT. I really do. I just think it’s irrationally emotional, and it’s not anywhere close to a realistic option to move the Big 12 forward sans UT, unless they FORCE that option on us by going indy.
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K.S.B. - I don't hate the idea of Tx.
That is a strawman argument. I want Tx to stay. The Network and ESPN are the problem. Since you are so adept at responding to arguments, respond to the sentiments expressed here:
"When you have one member in bed with a multi-billion dollar partner that happens to have a tremendous influence over not only the finances of the sport in the form of TV revenues in the billions, but also in the narrative of that sport by determining which universities get national exposure every week, it’s an imperfect situation for member schools. And if you are universities like Texas A&M and Oklahoma that command value in the college sports marketplace, you have options. In fact, you have very attractive options in other conferences that provide a fair and equitable conference affiliation without having to worry about what ESPN will do next."
These sentiments about the Longhorn Network are real. You won’t respond to them except to say that anyone who has them is butthurt. If that is all you have, it ain’t much, IMO.
The only way OU stays if if Tx gets rid of its Network. Of course, this may be all a kabuki dance, and it was decided last summer that this is how it would play out. We will know within 10 days or so.
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When A&M is first in favor of unequal revenue sharing and the freedom to negotiate third-tier rights,
and then griping about it, then yes, that’s butthurt and hypocritical, and I don’t apologize for calling it that. When we agree to that situation, in order to save the conference, and then have fans who are griping about the scenario, then yes, that’s butthurt and hypocritical. The situation is what it is. We agreed to it, because that is what is best for our school’s financial and athletic situation at this point. Griping about it continually accomplishes nothing, and makes us look like whiners.
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by K.S.B. on Aug 31, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Apparently you have not read the reports out of
Tulsa that OU is fed up with Tx too. And when the conference was “saved” it had not been disclosed at that time that ESPN was going to be the “partner.” Look it up. And no one could have dreamed that ESPN would be trying to show high school football on its Network. And your response only deals with aTm. Just like I thought, the butthurt thing is all you got in your pop gun.
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You know, Furnace, I call it like I see it.
When people act irrational and butthurt, that’s how I describe it. And suggesting that the Big 12 would be better off without Texas is irrational. Completely beyond the pale of reasonable discussion.
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So you are the judge of irrational - thanks for letting me know
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Always glad to help.
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What reports?
Ones from before OU statnig they were satisfied?
Man, I live just outside of Tulsa. I know what gets reported in Tulsa.
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And you still don't get it
I don’t care that Tx has its Network as it relates solely to K-State. I wish it weren’t on ESPN, but as it relates to that, I can live with it. I only care about the Network because it is de-stabilizing the conference and probably making it impossible to find quality teams to get to 12. Who would want to walk into this mess when Tx can do what ever it wants.
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The network is not destabilizing the conference.
A&M has been lusting after the SEC for years. They were looking for an excuse.
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In the face of evidence that
the Network is destabilizing the conference, just deny that the network is destabilizing the conference. Beautiful!
Need evidence:
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Yes, an opinion column is certainly definitive evidence.
Good work.
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KSB,
are you really stating the opinion that the Longhorn/ESPN thing is not destabilizing to the long term good of the conferece? Yes or no.
And did I say that it was “difinitive,” or did I just say that it was evidence. Do you only respond to what you consider to be “difinitive” evidence?
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You called it evidence.
It’s not in any way evidence of what you claim it’s evidence of.
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The question is what it would really change
I don’t think there’s any chance at all that A&M would stay if only the LHN wasn’t carried by ESPN. None.
And OU? That may rile up a few fans, but I think there’s virtually no chance it will cause them to leave. They’ll either get an offer so good they can’t refuse, or their staying. Nothing to do the the LHN.
And everyone else in the league is dependent on those 2 schools with the possible exception of Mizzou. The tigers have never shown any problem with it, and have wanted into the B10 since before the B12 was even formed. So I don’t see it doing anything to that school one way or the other either.
So yes, the LHN on ESPN is an issue with a few fans. But I really can’t see it causing any concrete problems. And when the solution you come up with is to kick Texas out of the conference, it just makes everything else you write look suspect. Without Texas, the league is over. No way OU/OSU would stay, TT would be gone assuming they could find a conference. Mizzou gone if they can find anyone. The North schools would have to try and join the Big East, or merge with the MWC. Either way, it would mean a big pay cut.
I'd say the network isn't nearly as destabilizing as:
1) A team which was actively in discussions with the Big Ten, on the sly, before the LHN was ever even PROPOSED, and then — when Texas told their president “It will take some time, but I think we can do that” in reference to KILLING said network — their president stopped his friggin’ car on the way back to Lincoln to call Jim Delany and ask, “How receptive would you be to an application?”
Read this. It’s a report from the Omaha World-Herald’s NEWS department — not their sports hacks. You’ll get a fascinating new perspective on Nebraska’s departure.
2) Another team which throughout its entire HISTORY has been dissatisfied with every conference they’ve ever been in; single-handedly pulling the plug on one and forcing it down to D-II, stabbing their new conference-mates in the back less than a decade later to join the Big 7, and then pining for the hippies on the Pacific Coast for better than two decades now.
3) A team which is acting against all rational interest; which spurned the movement to make a Big 12 Network; which then spurned the offer to make a Lone Star Network; which has never ever not even once supported equal revenue sharing but now has the gall to complain about the lack of same; which IS acting solely out of “jealous little brother” motivation.
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by jonfmorse on Aug 31, 2011 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Morse is just absolutely killing this thread.
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by Panjandrum on Sep 1, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
OU's not going anywhere
unless someone makes OU an offer they simply cannot refuse. It’s one thing to take silence or prevarication as evidence that something’s afoot; it’s another entirely to have OU essentially admit that they’re following Texas’ lead and assume they’re lying.
OU wants the Big 12. Texas wants the Big 12. Nebraska, Colorado, and A&M didn’t, for varying reasons.
Missouri kinda doesn’t, which is why they’re the true wildcard here.
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Mizzou is always looking for a way out
Nothing to take note of there.
Wow.
It really IS amazing to me how many of our Cat fans really don’t understand how the world works in college sports.
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Why?
You would be trading 1 school for 4 and money would be the same and be split evenly, not 3 schools get half and the rest get screwed.
That's utter nonsense.
Versus is not going to keep the money the “same” as ESPN does. And the four schools you mention do not make up (or even come CLOSE to making up) for the loss of a school like Texas. You’re free to believe what you want, of course, but it doesn’t make it come anywhere CLOSE to reality.
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Versus got the money to where it is now
You really think ESPN would give that much without someone else pushing them? And the point to be made out of all this is that with Texas gone everyone else won’t be looking for a better situation and the conference will be stable.
Ummm....ESPN is being pushed...
It’s called the Fox Sports Network, and with UT out of the picture, FSN has the ability to renegotiate their contract with the conference…meaning you can kiss a ton of money for KSU goodbye…and without FSN pushing ESPN, there’s no incentive for ESPN to shell out a dime for the “Big 12 – 2 (and Texas)” because they already have the LHN. Kicking UT out of the conference is a bad idea…we might get equal sharing, but we’d be sharing a considerably smaller pie.
The key now is what does Sooner want to do
Texas is now irrelevant. If Sooner leaves, it is over. Texas is just in a postion to go independent if (more likely, when) the crap hits the fan. I don’t think it will happen, but I’d be all in favor, if aTm would stay, along with Sooner, of telling UT to take a hike. Bring in TCU, Houston and BYU or Air Force – we could have a nice little conference. But as long as Longhorn has their Network, we won’t get anybody worth a crap, except perhaps BYU, and that won’t be enough if Sooner schooners on out of here for the PAC. I know this is counter-intuitive, but ….
oh hail the Purple and White
Nah, OU wants its own network too and the PACers won't allow that
OU isn’t going west.
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While OU certainly
has some say about what happens to the conference, my point wasn’t directed at whether or not we’d all be happier in a UT-free conference. I was stating that if UT were to leave, the conference would not make anywhere near the amount of television revenue it currently does. ESPN and FSN would pay drastically less for our television rights, even assuming the schools you mention join the conference. And that wouldn’t even be a given. Even if we were to kick out UT and the conference stays together, TCU, Houston, and Air Force don’t add anything to the collective bargaining table. BYU would bring in revenue, but the only way I can see them joining is if we allow them to have their own network…and since I learned that history repeats itself, I would think we wouldn’t allow that.
Kicking out UT, as much as it would massage our pride and enhance our sense of equity, would be rash and short-term solution with a lot of long-term consequences.
Texas is now irrelevant?
That’s an interesting sports opinion.
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Only question I have...
Aren’t you the guy who cried on BON’s wall?
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O sorry
My perspective on your arguments might have been influenced by the guy, but now I recgonize that you aren’t that guy. You haven’t gone insane quite yet.
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Yeah because Versus...
A network few people even get would be our savior.
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Wasn't sure where to post this above
But, one of the things to consider with BYU is that fact that it is a purely religious institution. Baylor, SMU, Rice, etc. may have ties to religious denominations, but the institutions themselves are not totally immersed in the spiritual organization. With BYU, that is paramount.
My personal feeling is that BYU looks at being independent an element of their global mission. They can used their independent status as a way to “spread the word” so to speak. To a certain extent, Notre Dame is the same way but they are not nearly as immersed in all things Catholic as BYU is in all things LCMS.
Might be way off with this thinking, but I believe it enters into their attitude about conferences.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
It enters into their attitude about their TV network.
Their reasons for leaving the MWC, at the root, were twofold:
1) The MWC television contract blew chunks.
2) Being able to put their games on their own network allows them to use the games to sell the network, and use the broadcasts to sell the other programming on the network.
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That's a Point
that I hadn’t fully considered, but you’re dead on. I suspect that applies to Notre Dame as well in some respects, but the probably only within their own order and not across the denomination. The LDS (God, I just noticed I typed LCMS in the post above. Father, forgive me for I knew not what my fingers were doing.)
As I started to say, the LDS are so tightly knit and tightly wound that they can almost spot each other on the street corner a block away.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
So, Texas A&M wants to join the SEX Conference?
That damn Panjandrum is always right on these things.
We'll carry the banner high!
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by TB on Aug 31, 2011 9:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Including ISU performing sexual favors to stay in a big boy league?
THAT’s something we don’t need on the interwebs, thanks.
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...you probably don't realize
that my running joke with Longhorn fans involves money being left on our nightstand.
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Which I have never found as disturbing as I probably should...
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by Catbacker98 on Aug 31, 2011 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Could the wheels be starting to move?
According to the Salt Lake City press it looks like conversations are at least being had.
Oh, shitsnacks.
“The talks have also included ESPN officials and even some input from Notre Dame representatives…”
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by jonfmorse on Sep 1, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm pulling for an annual holy war...
Notre Dame, Baylor, BYU…does Iraqistan have a university? Do they want to join the Big XII? What about India…wouldn’t Buddha want a piece? Go global baby, go global.
Funny part is, Bebe would probably consider it…
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by mac attack ict on Sep 1, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
let's see ...
we would have Catholics, Methodists, and Mormons. All we’re missing is Jehova’s witness and one of those new evangelical Christian colleges. The only problem is that I don’t think any of them have a football team. Although Wheaton does have a pretty good soccer team.
Wait I was wrong ..
Wheaton has a D3 football team. So there we go add Wheaton and you will have to full spectrum of Christian Theology.
Baylor is Baptist.
SMU, by virtue of their name giving the hint, is Methodist and frankly I don’t want to see that bad enough to let SMU in.
While completely different Jehova’s Witnesses get lumped in with the Mormons from their door to door white shirt black tie shenanigans, so we’ll call them covered. If we could pry Cornell away from the Ivy we could have some Quakers v Baptists, but again most people don’t know the difference. I’d say Valpo for a Catholic v Lutheran, but that would have been a bigger deal 500 years ago.
Could we claim the NYC (and southern Florida) media markets if we offered to start a football program at Yeshiva University?
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by BlackCats on Sep 1, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
now we're getting outside the box.
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by mac attack ict on Sep 1, 2011 2:52 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Be Agressive
B-E Agressive
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Getting outside it?
Hell, BlackCats is blowing up the box and replacing it with some kind of multi-dimensional object that none of us can fathom!
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Once again, this is the analysis I come here for.
I would suggest Wash U in STL for some Old Testament representation. Not quite D1 but they could bring some COTG karma.
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by Spider_Monkey on Sep 1, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Question
It occurred to me while watching the Miss. State/Memphis game and looking at the Bulldogs unis, but when A&M plays Mississippi State will the teams confuse the game for an intra-squad scrimmage?
In the shorter term...
What about that Nebraska-Wisconsin game?
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also un-l v. osu
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by Anon_the_younger on Sep 2, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
OSU at least has some gray/silver
The other match-ups present mirror-image uni-designs of each other with even the shades of red/maroon being the same.
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