Depth Chart Analysis
For those who couldn't view the picture I linked earlier, here's the depth chart for the Eastern Kentucky game:
WR: Brodrick Smith / Torell Miller
LT: Manase Foketi / Zach Hanson OR Ethan Douglas
LG: Keenan Taylor / Nick Puetz
C: Shaun Simon / Tomasi Mariner
RG: B.J. Finney / Colten Freeze
RT: Clyde Aufner / Cornelius Lucas
TE: Travis Tannahill / Zach Trujillo
QB: Collin Klein / Sammuel Lamur
FB: Braden Wilson / Jay Hanley
RB: Angelo Pease OR John Hubert OR Bryce Brown
WR: Sheldon Smith / Tyler Lockett
WR: Chris Harper / Tramaine Thompson
DE: Adam Davis / Laton Dowling
NT: Ray Kibble / John Sua
DT: Vai Lutui / Javonta Boyd OR Raphael Guidry
DE: Jordan Voelker / Meshak Williams
SLB: Emmanuel Lamur / Jonathan Truman
MLB: Arthur Brown / Alex Hrebec
WLB: Tre Walker / Blake Slaughter
CB: David Garrett / Kip Daily
SS: Ty Zimmerman / Thomas Ferguson
FS: Tysyn Hartman / Matthew Pearson
CB: Nigel Malone / Allen Chapman
PK: Anthony Cantele / Brandon Klimek
H: Ryan Doerr
LS: Marcus Heit
P: Ryan Doerr / Logan Ortiz
KOR: David Garrett / Chris Harper
PR: Ty Zimmerman / Tysyn Hartman
Follow the jump for my hastily written analysis of Bill Snyder's moves.
Offensive Skill Positions
Quarterback and fullback look exactly as predicted, so I'll refrain from discussing them.
It would appear that Robert Rose has been subtly eliminated from the running back competition, narrowing a four-man logjam down to three. I expect Pease to get the first carry Saturday, with Hubert going in for the second series.
As predicted, this position group likely will be decided on the field. The ball's in your court, Bryce. Time to shine.
Wide receiver was not a huge surprise, given the rumors of a nagging injury to Thompson. It sure looks like Lockett will not redshirt. Typically, you can read Snyder's WR depth chart as an S-curve ranking from top to bottom to top:
- B. Smith
- S. Smith
- Harper
- Thompson
- Lockett
- Miller
That sounds like an accurate sorting of their quality, from everything I've heard. I don't expect to see much of Miller.
The "shakeup" at tight end is due to Andre McDonald's arrest the other day for possession and domestic "issues."
He is suspended for Saturday's game, from all accounts. I doubt it will be permanent. Snyder's sending a message.
Offensive Line
This easily was one of the biggest surprise groups on the whole depth chart, so I'll discuss it separately.
Considering the spring game starting lineup apparently still was in effect at Fan Appreciation Day, the changes expressed here are a little unexpected, coming so close to the season as they did. Here's what I think happened:
Many have speculated that Freeze was not a long-term solution at right guard, so his demotion does not shock me.
But most figured it would be Simon, not Finney, moving over to that spot, since Finney has been penciled in at center since January. That tells me two things.
First, Simon obviously stepped up his game big-time in fall camp to earn that spot. Second, Finney is versatile enough to play multiple positions (which Snyder confirmed today) and good enough that he has to start somewhere.
The other big shuffle was flipping Lucas from left to right tackle, and the Hanson/Douglas duo vice versa. Clearly, they're not comfortable that Lucas can develop into a blindside protector, so they want veterans there instead.
I hope Douglas sees some time there this season, since he's the presumptive heir-apparent there next year (unless we land a JUCO stud like Tavon Rooks, but that's a discussion for another day...)
With Freeze sliding back to second string, Puetz was flipped over to the left side, and Mariner thus moved to center, where he apparently drilled a lot last season, so no big shift. It's the same 11 guys we thought, just in different spots.
In Charlie Dickey I trust...
Defensive Line
The other major surprises were here. We've been operating under the assumption that Williams was the biggest lock to start on the front four, so Voelker apparently played his ass off this fall to supplant him.
That said, I still expect Williams to play a bunch and probably start later on in the season. This could be a motivational tactic, he could be a little banged up or they maybe just want to save him for obvious pass-down situations.
Still, it's not unexpected. The duo split reps at Fan Appreciation Day, while Davis had all the reps on the strong side.
Meanwhile, I'm really encouraged by what's happened at defensive tackle.
Look at this way: Guidry was one of our best two linemen last season and supposedly improved a ton coming into fall camp. Yet he's fighting for his life simply to be a backup. That tells me Boyd has stepped it up and Lutui is a badass.
Payton Kirk played a ton of snaps last year, and he's nowhere to be seen, which speaks very well of Sua. And we also have talented players in Bo Tillman and Darryl Blackmon who obviously haven't mastered things yet.
My guess is Blackmon and Ian Seau will redshirt unless guys start getting hurt. No matter what, I expect more flux in this position group during the next month than any other. The battles aren't done here yet...
Linebackers and Secondary
Virtually no surprises in either of these position groups. That tells me things came together in the spring and have stayed consistent. There is clear separation between the 1s and 2s at linebacker, which looks exactly as predicted.
Other than at cornerback, we didn't really bring in any impact JUCOs or freshmen, so the lack of surprises is not wholly unexpected. I do think we could see some jostling between Daily, Chapman and Malone, but it will take time.
Special Teams
It's strange that no kickoff specialist is listed, but I'm sure it's Cantele. There are no surprises on any of the kicking units. Dillon Wilson appears headed for a redshirt, and likely Jack Cantele, too.
I urge everyone not to read too much into the returner positions. I can't count the number of times Snyder has put one of these out and the guys actually catching the ball on Saturday were completely different.
My guess is he will start the season safe with veterans he knows won't muff the catches. But as the season wears on, and players such as Pease and Lockett gain experience, I think Snyder might start taking more risks back there.
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I imagine we'll run it quite a bit just so they can sort the RB situation.
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Yes, that should definitely be a priority.
First two games to me should be used to figure out who the main RB is, who the D-line front four should be, and get Klein throwing the ball and building confidence in his throwing for when it counts.
Not to mention
It will lull conference opponents into thinking we can’t throw the ball!
And then suddenly we will be able to and will score an upset victory, probably over Texas.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Aug 30, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Not sure there is much to sort out at RB
I view it as a teachable moment to BB – voluntary workouts are not really voluntary, and HCBS has no problem with you staying in the doghouse until you commit to the team.
BB will run the rock once he puts in the effort and commits…until then we’ll give the rock to somebody else. It’s all up to Bryce…
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Or up to Angelo...
If Pease is really, really good, Snyder won’t bench him because Brown is better known.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Aug 30, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait where is Broderick?
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He's the first name mentioned..
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OOOOOOO
Somehow I read everything else yet missed the very top position…nvm.
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My opinion before last season ...
Was that KSU had the deepest talent pool in the skill positions (other than QB) that any Snyder team had ever had. I stand by that, even though the 2010 stats don’t back that up, for a variety of reasons.
We’re deeper now, even after losing the D-Train. Me likey.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Aug 30, 2011 4:03 PM CDT reply actions
There was a really nice post about just how good that O was
It was amazing, but that O was one of the top 5 in Snyder’s era. How sad/scary is that?
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Kirk Herbstreit hands out hisHerbie Awardsand he really is banking on the Blinn College thing. Justin Tuggle made “The players you’ll know by October” list, o and he thinks Blackmon isn’t the best reciever in college football; no idea how he worked that one out.
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I noticed the Finney move right away
And like the way you spun the move Bracket.
Sure maybe, Simon isn’t as good of a center as Finney (and maybe he IS, or even better), but I think like you mention, Finney might make a better Guard than the alternative, and the difference between Finney and Simon at C might not be as drastic as Finney and alternative at Guard. Either way, probably good to have a huge body like Simon on that line. I feel pretty good then about the line across the board. I’ll try to keep an eye on Finney all game.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Snyder talked a bit about it in his press conference today
Sounds like Finney is versatile enough to play anywhere on the line, and they felt like they needed the depth a little more at guard. Which sounds to me like Simon + Finney just beat out Finney + Freeze, and they felt like he could handle the position move.
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