SB Nation NCAA Conference Re-Draft
Without real conference realignment to talk about this year, SB Nation is going to create its own realignment scenarios. This post has the rules and objectives for this exercise, and your feedback is welcome in the comments.
The idea is not to improve existing conferences through minor tweaks. For example, we're not going to just close KU and turn it into a pig farm and leave everything else untouched, even though pretty much everyone outside of Lawrence agrees that would be the best idea. We're also not taking geography and time zones into account, so the conference commissioners could draft North Carolina with one pick and USC with the next.
Read on for a detailed explanation of the game and how it will unfold over the next several weeks. Who knows when, or if, K-State will be picked, so my opportunity for meaningful input may be limited. However, think about these questions in case K-State is drafted by someone: What do you value in an athletics program? In a conference? Who would you draft? Who would you like to see paired with K-State?
Game Objectives. The purposes of the fantasy draft are: (1) to explore the values of individual schools by drafting them sequentially, and (2) to have fun strategically building a conference of schools.
There will be six conferences, and such conferences are NOT meant to be new versions of current conferences. That is, the objective of the game is not to create tweaked versions of what we already have. The goal is to draft schools based on their overall value, and to compile a conference of teams strategically and coherently.
What makes a school valuable? We leave that largely open, with a few important guidelines. First, bearing in mind that we are drafting athletics conferences, athletics should be weighted heaviest, if not exclusively.
While obviously athletics must be considered, the following are factors you may, but are not required to consider:
Academics
Co-eds
Weather/Desirability of Destination
Historic Success
Traditions
TV Revenue Potential
Ethics
Rivalries (two teams)
On the flipside, for purposes of this game there are two factors that are NOT to be considered. First, do not take travel/geographic concerns into consideration. In real life, Washington and Florida are unrealistic conference partners; in our world, that doesn't matter -- neither from a travel nor time zone standpoint. Second, and related, while we may take individual rivalries into consideration (e.g. pairing Michigan and Ohio State), preservation of current conference history/rivalry/alliance is not to be considered. Hopefully for obvious reasons.
Finally, the goal is not to improve the status quo. The goal is not to create a conference that will actually play games. The goal is to use a draft to value schools and have fun strategically grouping them together.
In sum, there is no single way that schools must be valued and/or grouped together. Some may wish to create the best conference of all-around athletics-academics combination. Others may want to create a revenue superpower. There are any number of valid ways to do this. The only limitation is not creating a group that is based on regional and historical ties. Time to wipe the slate clean and start over.
Conference Commissioners. As mentioned above, there will be six conference commissioners: BC Interruption (Boston College blog), House of Sparky (Arizona State), Big East Coast Bias (Big East), Black Heart Gold Pants (Iowa), Team Speed Kills (SEC) and Red Cup Rebellion (Ole Miss).
An (incredibly) important note: The six conference commissioners will start with a blank slate. BC Interruption, House of Sparky, Black Heart Gold Pants and Red Cup Rebellion will not be starting with Boston College, Arizona State, Iowa or Ole Miss in their conference already. If they want their own schools, they'll have to draft them.
By luck of a random number generator, BC Interruption gets first pick in the draft. The complete draft order is as follows:
1. BC Interruption
2. Black Heart Gold Pants
3. Team Speed Kills
4. Big East Coast Bias
5. House of Sparky
6. Red Cup Rebellion
The draft will be a snake draft, with Red Cup Rebellion receiving the 6th and 7th picks, BC Interruption receiving picks 12 and 13, and so on.
The draft is officially being run by the Oklahoma State Cowboys blog Cowboys Ride For Free, so Samuel will be playing the role of head commissioner.
Schedule. This week, SBN bloggers are introducing the Re-Draft project and want to get the conversation going. We need to start thinking about the following questions:
Who would you, our dear readers, want to draft?
What kind of alliances do we seek?
What sort of values are we looking for in a particular program?
Whenever K-State is picked, who do you hope to see it paired with, and who would you want to join later?
On Monday, June 13, the draft begins and the first round selections are made. The conference commissioners will then consult with their first-round draft choice (if we have a blogger for that school) and the two of them will collectively decide on their draft strategy and make their second round choice. By Friday, each conference will have a commissioner, two schools, and up to two more bloggers to collaborate with on picks. By Sunday, each conference will select the name of its conference.
On Monday, June 20, Cowboys Ride For Free will announce the conference names and recap the first two rounds of the draft. We'll have a post here at BOTC about who was drafted and where we hope to see K-State drafted.
After the big reveal of conference names and founding members, the draft will continue in much the same manner, with two draft picks a week for the next several weeks. Once a conference drafts 12 members, a conference can be capped. If we want, the draft will continue for conferences who wish to add more members. If in any subsequent round only one conference remains, it may select the remaining members of its conference up to a maximum of 16 schools.
Finally, on Monday July 25, the full and complete conference rosters will be announced and discussed across the SB Nation community of NCAA sites. Hooray.
Other points of note: When selecting a school, you are bringing on all of its NCAA-sanctioned varsity programs. So if you select Notre Dame for its football program, all of the Irish's other sports come along with it. Same for Duke football, etc.
So if you've gotten this far, terrific. We want to make sure that everyone clearly understands the objectives and rules as this sort of thing only works if we're all operating in the same universe. Basically, understand that the goal here is not to re-draft the Big 12, except with KU turned into a pig farm.
Now it's your turn. What do you value in an athletics program? In a conference? Who would you draft? Who would you love to see paired with K-State?
Your thoughts below.
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Two things:
1) The only BCS conference not represented among the “commissioners” is the Big 12. The SEC has two of the six. This seems odd.
2) As I posted on the Cowboys blog, I think it was a mistake to not account at all for geography. Even if it had only been done through a “1 time zone difference” rule or something, it would have made the process more realistic.
Even considering those two issues, this still sounds like it could be fun!
Innovators look at the same thing as everyone else, yet see something different.
The geography issue was argued ad nauseum...
…among the blog editors. Many agreed with you. Many disagreed. In the end, they decided fewer rules were better in order to leave it as wide open as possible. I think it would be interesting to do another re-draft later with some geographic limitation, but this should be entertaining. If nothing else, it should spur discussion.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Jun 8, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess my only thought on that is,
it makes it utterly unrealistic, even in an Armageddon-type of scenario. But, like you said, it should still be an interesting, though a completely academic, exercise.
Innovators look at the same thing as everyone else, yet see something different.
by K. Scott Bailey on Jun 8, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
So the Big 12 has no representation as a selector,
so it is like last summer?
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Jun 8, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
This is probably the biggest gaffe/oversight in the process.
Innovators look at the same thing as everyone else, yet see something different.
by K. Scott Bailey on Jun 8, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm indifferent to this at this point
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Jun 8, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
So this isn't a conference realignment - it's a top 64 list.
A few things…
1) Man this kind of seems like a waste of time and energy. I know it’s summer and we’re all itching for stories, but damn – go outside or something….
2) If the whole purpose of this is to get a value on a school – why bother even calling it a conference re-draft? This sounds like when “experts” rank baseball players for a fantasy baseball draft. If you want to, pick the top-64 teams and then do a collaborative shuffle so that they work based on location/traditions/etc. This way, you can rank as many schools (like the top-100) so that there can be a good debate on how many teams should be worthy of “BCS” status.
3) You really have to eliminate any bias here. If representatives from certain schools are making the picks, then each major conference has to be represented and that school may not ever be able to pick itself. If we are “putting a numerical value” on each school – there is no way in hell any of those schools mentioned above are worthy of a top-6 pick. That’s just bullshit. If we had a representative from K-State on there – we’d be ranked in the top 6 because we love our school. Are we valued as a top-6 “pick” though? Absolutely not.
Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.
by mystman995 on Jun 8, 2011 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Will be fun to see how this plays out!
My thoughts on an ideal conference would be:
Preface – I only care about football and basketball. Assuming a 10-team conference
1) Natural rival – life would be less fun without KU (I know some may disagree) (2 teams in conf)
2) Throw in a couple of top notch academic schools with quality (or improving athletic departments) – Stanford and Duke would be top of my list (4 teams in conf)
3) Having one or two powerhouses (with at worst elite level and quality programs in basketball and football sports) would be great for revenue and national interest – any one of USC, UT, OSU, Michigan, Bama, Florida, UNC, etc. (6 teams in conf)
4) Three untraditional teams that can be very good in either sport in a given year but aren’t blue bloods – Oregon, WVU, Louisville, Oklahoma State, etc. (9 teams in conf)
5) Give one mid-major a chance to play with the big boys and have this spot only guaranteed for a team for 3 year probationary periods until the team proves it can be successful – Boise St, Butler, VCU, etc. (10 teams in conf)
Ag Conference!
It would have been fun to have an Ag school conference: UF, MS-State, aTm, OK-State, K-State,etc.,…
I’d like to see K-State in the conference where the schools are decent schools, academically, athletically and ethically.
Considering who all is picking here, I’d like to be with Ol’ Miss, but that is based on family ties to the school more than anything.
so 6 × 12 = 72 teams, so there are 48 teams that will not be selected at least on the football side of things.
I guess I’m indifferent on this since there is no Big12 rep doing the selecting.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Jun 8, 2011 11:20 AM CDT reply actions
With Houston the Nutt
still at Ole Miss, that takes the ethically part out of having them in your conference. Scumbag.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
I'll take a purple pants division please
KSU, TCU, Clemson, NorthWestern and WashU
Not that strong overall, just trying to exercise arbitrary creativity.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
pretty strong, actually
Add those Yellow and Purple Tigers over at LSU, and you’re on the way to a stellar conference.
by Robert C. J. Graves on Jun 8, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
The Purple 7 Conference
Clemson, East Carolina, K-State, LSU, Northwestern, TCU, Washington
by Robert C. J. Graves on Jun 8, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow...not bad!
I knew I was missing some other teams, but didn’t have the time to stretch my brain a little more. Actually I’m kind of coming around to it…only thing is, there’s no way in hell Snyder would let us wear purple pants. I didn’t hate them as much as everyone else seems to. But I will admit it was kind of an acquired taste. Since RP could only tank the program, at least he kept it interesting.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Packaged Deals
(see – I used the subject line correctly! Take that Ohio State!)
I know this is just for fun and it’s more of a value system, but does (or should this) take into account packaged deals that are “forced” between state governments? Say you can only take Oklahoma if Oklahoma State comes with (or switch any two schools like that)?
It’d be interesting to see if certain schools are handicapped by a packaged deal.
Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.
Commish Strategies (Recruiting Grounds 1, 2,3; Royalty; and Double Threats)
1. Any savvy commish will want a name-brand Florida team on board to open up those fecund FL recruiting grounds to the entire conference. Order of preference: UF, FSU, Miami. USF and UCF become very attractive to any commish who doesn’t nab one of the FL big three.
2. Just as with FL, any savvy commish will want a name-brand Texas team on board to open up TX recruiting grounds to the entire conference. Tier One preferences: Texas, Texas A&M. Tier Two preferences: TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor. Tier Three: Houston, SMU. Useless: North Texas.
3. Just as with FL and TX, any savvy commish will hope for a name-brand California team on board to open up CA recruiting grounds to the entire conference. Tier One preferences: USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford. Tier Two: None. Tier Three: San Diego State, Fresno State. Useless: San Jose State
4. To boost the conference profile and prestige, any savvy commish will want at least one program that is part of CFB Royalty, that is one of the great storied programs of college football history. Imo, this would include:
Tier One: Alabama, Auburn, Florida State, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, USC
Tier Two: Georgia, Georgia Tech, LSU, Penn State, Tennessee, Texas A&M, VA Tech (?), UCLA
5. Where might K-State fit in? A third goal any savvy commish is likely to have is to bring in double-threat schools: schools that are strong in both football and b-ball. For starters, this would include schools like K-State and a bunch of Big East teams like Pitt, UConn, and WVU.
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