Why I Hate the Spring Game
Yes, I'll concede there are some decent reasons to go to Saturday's Spring Game. Since Snyder hasn't been able to close the glorified scrimmage off to the public yet, it's basically the first and last chance to see most of the 2011 Wildcats (and new players like Justin Tuggle and the Brown brothers) until August, even if it might be more enlightening to watch YouTube highlights.
Plus, it's a great, cheap excuse to get out of the house and ignore the end of the only football event more annoyingly overhyped than spring games, the NFL Draft. Just don't forget to check where Daniel Thomas gets drafted.
That being said, I am (obviously) not a fan of this annual display of something vaguely resembling quality college football. If you want the long version, check out my post from last year, but I'll try to keep it short here.
Maybe there is a way to make exhibition football games approach the excitement and drama of the real thing, but no has figured it out yet. For plenty of good reasons, players just don't go as hard in games that don't matter, and the spring game format of not allowing hits on the quarterback just makes it all even worse.
Naturally, though, taking away the big hits and a good portion of the athleticism isn't enough for Bill Snyder, who often appears to hate fun. I guess I'm not 100% sure that he's doing the same thing this year, but in the past he's even taken the competitiveness out of the game by putting the first string against the second team, with some occasional changes made throughout the game.
I don't mean to disrespect the second teamers, because I'm sure most of them work hard and they're clearly all better at football then you or me. But I still haven't come up with a good reason to play with this format over, well, anything else, and I can't imagine how it's really more productive for anyone than a normal practice.
As a result, we get a meaningless "game" that will inevitably be overanalyzed by every K-State writer (probably including us at BOTC) because we have nothing better to talk about for the next three months (please prove me wrong, BatCats). But did Carson Coffman's incredible stat line in last year's Spring Game show us that he was set to become the next great KSU QB, or even an average Big 12 starter? I don't think I have to answer that.
One final thought: Although (as cleverly pointed out by David Ubben) Bill Snyder's gimmick of changing the score at halftime might work in other situations and was designed (I guess) to give the illusion of a competitive game, I don't think it fooled anyone, unless some KU fans accidentally wandered into KSU Stadium (I kid). So here's hoping there's no changing of the score this year.
Speaking of David Ubben, we'll have a Q&A post discussing K-State football for the upcoming season (and beyond?) with ESPN's fine Big 12 blogger early next week, so please don't start your summer vacation from K-State athletics just yet.
Update: I'm in a generous mood today, so if you've got any questions you're dying to ask Ubben, please post them in the comments and maybe we'll choose some of the best for the Q&A, which will likely be in email format. I don't think I need to tell most of you this, but obviously keep it civil and on-topic. No midget jokes allowed.
Another update: Thanks to the excellent suggestion by GTcat and the superior technological expertise of our overlord, TB, it appears we will be doing a Podcast with Ubben in the near future. Look for it sometime next week.
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Cool gig you have lined up
With Ubbs…I like his style, seems pretty laid back, I would guess it would be a fun Q&A. Is it going to be a podcast?
Anyway, seems like every year I say “nah, I’m not going to the Spring game, they’re boring” and then for whatever reason I find a way into roping myself into going again. I doubt I go this year with gas the way it is, although our previous plans that were going to prevent me from going on Saturday did just get canceled last night, so maybe there’ll be a way someone ropes me into going.
If it wasn’t for Snyder letting the qb’s call the game, it’d be a full 4 scoops of vanilla being served up tomorrow in the Bill Snyder Family Sundae Bowl.
I think it will be interesting to see what S.Lamur does, considering he’s the No. 2 and everyone else is talking about the other two qbs.
Obviously, Bill’s spring game could use a fresh spritz of different. I kinda liked RP’s “draft” idea, but let’s be honest, I’m not quite so sure how constructive that is to having people being able to develop chemistry between now and the fall if you’re mixing and matching and hodge-podging rosters together like that. So let’s be frank: If you haven’t discovered in all of HCBS’s 17 years of coaching at KSU that he’s a creature of habit (do I dare say the ‘C’ word—that ends in ‘onsistency’?) and there’s a method to his madness. Let’s face it, any change will be a far-stretch, so best bet is to accept it for what it is…which is why I don’t go nuts for it either.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Probably just by email
Ubben’s actually a good friend of mine (laid back definitely fits), so I imagine we could get him to do a podcast. But I don’t know if I’m tech-savvy enough to put that together, so this time at least we’ll just do it the easy way unless one of the other BOTC guys wants to make the extra effort for a Podcast. I assume there are fairly easy ways to do that with Skype and all (I know that’s how I did one once for Barking Carnival on the Fantake Network), but again, I really don’t know.
I don’t know why I didn’t think of it earlier, but I bet we can get a couple good questions from commenters to, so I’ll put something in this post mentioning that.
As for the Spring Game, that’s a good point about the QBs calling the plays. I suppose I’ll give HCBS a modicum of credit for that.
by Ahearn Alley on Apr 29, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Question
you’ll probably want to phrase this better but ask him what the perspective is on K-State basketball? Is Jason King close or is it too early to tell in the HCFM era to know prior to all the signings and such.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Apr 29, 2011 2:59 PM CDT reply actions
I don't think Ubben really covers basketball much
But I’ll defer to AA on that one.
Also, AA, we have done a podcast in the past. I use Skype to record it, so if you want to do a podcast, let me know and we can set that up.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Apr 29, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think we'll stick to football
I talked to Ubben, and he’s down with the Podcast idea. Then if we have any leftover questions or brilliant commenter questions, we’ll follow it up with a Q & A to make sure we have everything covered. Thanks for the suggestion, GTcat.
TB, I think this is the part where we move this conversation to email so we can discuss timing, Skype names, etc. Everyone else, stay tuned.
by Ahearn Alley on Apr 29, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea no problem
I’m sorta interested in that type of stuff anyway, so much so I’ve considered generating yet another fansite of sorts, but I have a creative twist on it, that I think might make it sucessful (or I might burn to the ground in failure), but no need to fear I would still be super active here, and the way my idea is set up, it would be purely supplemental to this site and it’s in reality at best months away. Anway that’s a whole ‘nother story, I’ll be sure to let BOTC know first if I ever launch my crazy idea.
But anyway, I always wondered how that worked with guests on shows and such. Like since the Program gets Blair Keirkoff for an hour weekly, how does that work out? Does The Star bill 810. or does Blair get some sort of bonus for an appearance? I know in radio, it’s all about the relationships, but I would find it hard to believe that every guest is just volunteering their time.
Anyway, do you suppose you’ll set up another thread specifically for the questions? I have one with what I think is a unique perspective to the LBers, but I don’t want to muddy up this thread if there’s another one in the works.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Not sure why I'm bringing this up here, I guess the whole podcast/interview/moderator thing...
but was at a Tribeca FF screening in which Buzz Bissinger moderated a Q+A post-screening and that guy has to be the biggest douche ever. Asked completely unfair questions in as smug a matter as possible.
Oh and also...
I was a lurker for so long over here, it was a Fire Chris Cosh thread that got me to finally take the plunge and join. It’s my first real KSU blog account I’ve joined (plus the facebook login was a plus, I hate having a fajillion screennames out there for accounts I end up losing interest in so that was a seller too).
So anyway, I’ve found myself loving this site and really wanting to see it prosper. So any time I think I can add suggest something that I think might help take the site to the next level, I’ll try and suggest as often as I can.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Always appreciated.
We have a mutual interest in BOTC’s growth, as it were.
Also, buy a T-shirt. :-D
yea, would be easier to identify members on gamedays
with the T-shirt that is…
So is there going to be a separate thread for Questions for Ubbs, or shall we email Ahearn?
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Little word of wisdom...
Jason King rarely is right about ANYTHING.
He is biased toward KU and Baylor, he doesn’t like Frank, and he makes far too strong of statements that usually come back to haunt him — but he never acknowledges how wrong he was.
In short, he’s a shitty journalist. If he says the sky is blue, I’m going to go look out the window to make sure it’s not orange. I sure as hell am not going to take seriously anything he says about KSU basketball, something he probably dislikes almost as much as TDWMNBN.

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