RPI WATCH: 3/7/2011
by BracketCat on Mar 7, 2011 12:00 PM CST
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PrintGonzaga took care of business — although San Francisco tried to make things interesting late in the game — and advanced for the rubber match against archrival St. Mary's in the WCC championship game tonight.
But sixth-seeded UMKC absolutely was hammered by third-seeded IUPUI in the battle of the acronyms at the Summit League's conference tournament.
Time for ol' Matt Brown to shut 'er down for the year.
And in somewhat related news, Texas Tech fired Pat Knight this morning, but will allow him to be a dead coach walking at this week's Big 12 Tournament.
Awkward...
Associated Press Ranking = 19
ESPN/USA Today Ranking = 23
Overall Record = 22-9
Big 12 Record = 10-6
Big 12 Seed = 4
Top 50 Record = 3-6
RPI = 19
SOS = 5
Signature Wins (RPI 1-30) = Kansas, Texas
Quality Wins (RPI 31-100) = James Madison, Virginia Tech, Gonzaga, Washington State, Baylor, Nebraska (2), Missouri
Bad Losses (RPI 101 or greater) = none
- James Madison (21-11, 10-8 CAA) | RPI = 89
- Virginia Tech (19-10, 9-7 ACC) | RPI = 64
- Presbyterian (13-18, 7-11 Big South) | RPI = 203
- No. 2 seed Gonzaga (23-9, 11-3 WCC) | RPI = 62: Win over No. 3 seed San Francisco (71-67 in the WCC Tournament)
- No. 4 Duke (27-4, 13-3 ACC) | RPI = 5
- Texas Southern (18-11, 16-2 SWAC) | RPI = 175
- Emporia State (16-14, 12-10 MIAA*)
- Washington State (19-11, 9-9 Pac-10) | RPI = 75
- Alcorn State (4-24, 4-14 SWAC) | RPI = 336
- Loyola-Chicago (16-15, 7-11 Horizon League) | RPI = 198
- No. 12 Florida (24-6, 13-3 SEC) | RPI = 10
- UNLV (23-7, 11-5 Mountain West) | RPI = 25
- No. 6 seed UMKC (16-14, 9-9 Summit League) | RPI = 211: Loss to No. 3 seed IUPUI (55-79 in the Summit League Tournament)
- North Florida (15-19, 10-10 Atlantic Sun) | RPI = 149
- Savannah State (11-18) | RPI = 265
- Oklahoma State (18-12, 6-10 Big 12) | RPI = 63
- Colorado (19-12, 8-8 Big 12) | RPI = 76
- Texas Tech (13-18, 5-11 Big 12) | RPI = 158
- Missouri (22-9, 8-8 Big 12) | RPI = 33
- Texas A&M (23-7, 10-6 Big 12) | RPI = 30
- Baylor (18-12, 7-9 Big 12) | RPI = 84
- No. 2 Kansas (29-2, 14-2 Big 12) | RPI = 1
- Nebraska (19-11, 7-9 Big 12) | RPI = 78
- Iowa State (16-15, 3-13 Big 12) | RPI = 127
- Oklahoma (13-17, 5-11 Big 12) | RPI = 133
- No. 10 Texas (25-6, 13-3 Big 12) | RPI = 14
*Division II
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Just don't understand that decision at all.
No one will argue with Knight being fired after this season, but why not wait likely one more game to do it? They’ve stripped the guy of his dignity. Not rooting for this for obvious reasons, but if the Cats can’t win the Big 12 Tourney I hope TTech does – would be pretty embarrassing for the athletic department.
I really hope Kirby wasn't behind this.
Pretty chicken shit thing to do.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 7, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think he gets to technically take over until the summer
So if he is part of it, it would be even more shady
"Nor yet in Dell?"
This was going to happen regardless of new a.d. hire;
but if I were Hocutt, I’d be pissed if I wasn’t in on the decision of who replaces Knight. Not good on that. Now, why they didn’t let him finish the season is another indication of the tastelessness of the Red Raider bunch.
oh hail the Purple and White
The guy had 3.5 seasons and only got worse.
Not sure what you guys were expecting. If they weren’t going to turn the corner with five seniors, they weren’t going to turn the corner, period.
I just expected that they'd have the class to let him finish the season before axing him.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 7, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
Their season's basically done. Just one more pro forma loss to get over with.
Hell, you could argue this actually increases their chances of beating MU. Lord know they needed something…
Class like Weiser shadow walking Wooly all the way to the locker room
After a first round tournament loss? So it can make it on the cameras?
"Nor yet in Dell?"
This is precisely what they hired Kirby to do, I suspect.
Couldn’t gas Pat as long as they were in AD limbo.
That makes two coaches he’s fired in less than four months at two different institutions, for those counting.
Not 100% RPI related, but somewhat related
the No. 19 ranking in the coaches poll sure doesn’t hurt anything
"Nor yet in Dell?"
They only have the AP poll up so far.
But we are 19 in that. Which means we vaulted,what, 10 places from last week?
We are #23 in the AP poll.
Behind the juggernaut that is Georgetown, who got destroyed by Cincinatti by 22 points.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 7, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
The coaches also kept Texas A&M ranked, but did not rank West Virginia.
By March, they’re just phoning it in. Best to ignore them. CBS uses the AP poll rankings, anyways.
Yup you're right...
I always get messed up…I always assume ESPN/USA Today is AP, but forget that’s actually the coaches’ poll. However, now it looks like the coaches’ poll is up, and we’re No. 23 in that.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
looking at the teams just above us in each poll
we are playing the best basketball right now. I hope we meet a big east team in the tourney because after watching every team not show up on one night or another out there, there is not a team that really scares me. Really, KU and Ohio State are the two teams that I don’t want to play and we will probably meet KU again before the tourney even begins.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
I am looking forward to the Big East's now annual crash-and-burn in the tournament.
And there should be a drinking game designed around how often the talking heads say some version of “they’re worn down from beating up on each other.”
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 7, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
you would be so hammered after the first day you wouldn't be able to enjoy bball until the sweet 16
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
I'd just be pissing a lot,
since my “drinking” would have to amount to shots of ginger ale! :)
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 7, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
+1
I think Pitt and St John’s could both go very far in the tournament. And as much as it pains me to admit, ND (Ben Hansbrough is really tough to watch – as classless as the TTech administration) also could be scary. But the other 8 (of the pretty absurd 11 total) don’t seem particularly great.
OSU to me seems like far and away the best team. Their only issue is depth. If Sullinger gets in foul trouble then they’re beatable. But they have so many weapons. I just hope they’re on the other side of the bracket as KSU.
11 teams from big east = more money for CBS, NCAA,
another indicator of how tv money is corrupting athletic competition. They want the tv sets in the densely populated big east states, to pay for that BIG new contract they inked last year. That simple. These guys make gamblers look like choir boys.
oh hail the Purple and White
Yea implosion is inevitable...would be surprised to see 5 or more teams make it
to the round of 32
"Nor yet in Dell?"
When I make up my bracket,
I do so with the idea of what are the best tv matchups (demogrhapically) in the round of 32, 16, 8, and 4. The officiating tends to skew to those results. This is just observation, based on years of watching this crap. I only keep wathcing because, hey, it’s fun if you don’t take it too seriously.
oh hail the Purple and White
So the big question is...
…have you ever won a bracket contest? Because if you have, I may have a new strategy for picking my bracket. I can see my entry for the bracket contest already:
TB’s Designated Market Area Picks
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Mar 7, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Or you could just guess and then totally stop paying attention until TB tells you you've won
That was my super secret strategy for last year.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Answer: No
but Duke and MichState almost always come through, even when they suck. But pay attention to the tv market theory; I wish I was a good enough stat guy to put it to the test.
oh hail the Purple and White
The easiest way to get to second base with your coach is wait until he’s distracted by yelling at a ref.
You may know me as NYRoyal.
by Scott McKinney on Mar 7, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The weird thing is I think it was an assistant.
Probably trying to hold him back from getting a technical.
I'm sure they worked very closely together
Long hours, late into the night…
You may know me as NYRoyal.
by Scott McKinney on Mar 7, 2011 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Lot's of "film"...I'm just saying they reviewed some film.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky
I'll throw it out there for discussion....
Pat Knight a good assistant for the Cats if Underwood has schools calling?
+1, but the personalites might collide.
We’d probably get some nice inside tips from Bob, when he comes to Kansas for his hunting trips.
oh hail the Purple and White
Don't even talk about Underwood leaving.
He will be here forever and ever.
by AMS on Mar 7, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
talk was...
never had it confirmed but when Huggins arrived (or left?), talk was Underwood wanted the job at K-State as it is close to family.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 7, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Underwood seems like a helluva coach.
I hope he sticks around for a few more years, just in case Frank gets the old Greener Pastures Syndrome.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 7, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
This.
By no means do I want Frank to leave, but if he does, I wouldn’t mind seeing Underwood promoted to HC.
I would not want this.
just my opinion.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 7, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 8, 2011 3:03 AM CST up reply actions
Everytime i look at him.
I see Doc Sadler.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 8, 2011 8:09 AM CST up reply actions
So you "would not want this" because he looks (to you) like Doc Sadler?
Okay.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 8, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
not just visually...
future success as well.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 9, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Again, you base your predictions of Underwood's future success on what?
Just because a guy knows Xs and Os, does NOT mean he can’t recruit, or would not (at least) be able to bring along assistants who can.
Also, Sadler has improved an AWFUL program incrementally every year. The jury’s still out on him.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 9, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Doc is at a hard place to recruit, since apparently he isnt allowed to recruit AAU players..
but he hasn’t improved them that much. Their record and finish in the Big 12 hasn’t improved much at all.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 9, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
They went from 2-14 to 7-9 this year.
And before the dumpster fire that last year was for them, he’d pretty much solidified them as a pretty competitive team in the bottom half of the Big 12. Still, I don’t really understand what you base your opinion that Underwood is like Sadler on.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 9, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
A SLTH
Sold Long Term Hire. A guy who will do things the right way…but can never get over that hump. A Sadler, Mcdermott, Wooldridge, Pat Knight, Bzdelick, Guys who all the talking heads say, “this guy knows basketball” Yet can’t ever compete with the Kansas’ of the world. It’s just what I envision. Getting players here is a tough job…a guy can coach his ass off, just to get a team to 8-8 in the league, but that’s not enough. I’d rather have a guy, who is a good recruiter and take my chances on his coaching. I do agree if he brought it good assistants, it would help.
Hope that all made sense, too much rambling. lol
by WillieWannabe on Mar 9, 2011 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe we're talking apples and oranges here.
What I was trying to express is, given the choice between “guy who can recruit, but can’t coach his way out of a paper sack” and “guy who can coach, and surrounds himself with good recruiter-types”, I will take the second guy every time.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 11, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Just wondering here
But what players do we credit Underwood with bringing in so far?? I have no clue because I usually dont pay attention to what coach brings what player
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I haven't heard much of anything about Underwood's recruiting.
Dalonte has (or at least had) the D.C. pipeline, and Frank has an advantage in recruiting Florida. Underwood seems like more of a schematic guy.
by AMS on Mar 8, 2011 6:48 AM CST up reply actions
I've always been of a mind that it's better to hire a guy who knows basketball,
and then trust him to bring in guys who can recruit.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 8, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
what?
that’s how you end up with the sadlers/mcdermotts/wooldridge/asburys of the world. No thanks. Recruiting is 80% of success, imo.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 9, 2011 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
Not really.
You end up with those guys when they don’t surround themselves with guys who can recruit. And, for me, the jury’s still out on Doc. He’s in a REALLY hard place to recruit to, and is still improving them every year. Also, Asbury wasn’t an Xs and Os guy — at least not from the experience I had with him.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 9, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
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