Arkansas : Mike Anderson :: ????? : HCFM
The Big 12, and in fact, most of the college basketball world has been buzzing recently with the somewhat sudden, unexpected departure of Missouri's Mike Anderson. It's just the latest example of a college coach who gives off the illusion of absolute loyalty, only to break the hearts of a fan base with barely a second thought. I daresay K-State fans can relate. Even mighty Kansas knows how that feels, and they did not like it.
Obviously, comparing any of those coaches to each other or Frank Martin will always be far from a perfect analogy. First of all, HCFM started at Kansas State when he probably couldn't have gotten a head coaching job at any other big program, and he hasn't done any flirting with other schools like Anderson did with Georgia and Oregon. In fact, Frank has illustrated his loyalty to K-State through words and actions at virtually every opportunity, sometimes even going a little too far in showing his Wildcat Pride.
Still, as I feel a certain amount of empathy for our friends at Rock M Nation, I can't help but wonder if there's a school out there that could convince HCFM to leave Manhattan. I think rational Missouri fans wouldn't have begrudged Anderson going back home to Arkansas if he hadn't said and done some stupid things, like the infamous "I want to retire here" quote and the awful way he handled the courting from Arkansas with the MU administration, and more importantly, the players.
I feel fairly safe saying that I don't think HCFM would leave solely for money, just like I completely disagree with those Missouri fans who think that had anything to do with CMA leaving (he reportedly turned down just as much money from UGA and Oregon). But can I say with anything close to absolute certainty that HCFM is going to stay in Manhattan, as long as he has success and KSU continues to treat him well?
Of course not, and unless you have a really close relationship with Frank or know about some another weird secret contract, neither do any of us. If you think you do, then you're either incredibly naive or haven't been paying attention to big-time college athletics.
Before I set the criteria for schools to look at, let me reiterate that I DO NOT think HCFM is leaving anytime soon, and I want him to stay, so please don't call me a traitor or non-believer or anything like that. I believe he is sincere about his desire to stay here when he gushes about Manhattan and the program he has helped restore.
Also, I'm not in the business of reading people's minds, so I'm just going to try to point out the potential appeal of each job without speculating on whether I think Frank would actually take it. I'll leave that responsibility to the commenters.
After the jump, you can check out my list of eight seven programs that meet at least one of the following requirements: 1) Have some sort of sentimental or coaching connection to HCFM; 2) Are markedly superior to K-State in tradition and resources and may be open in the next two to three years. That means schools like Duke, UNC, Michigan State, UCLA, etc. aren't listed, but it's safe to assume that any college coach would perk up a little if one of them came calling.
Feel free to let me know any schools you think I might have missed.
Florida International/Northeastern: OK, so these two are serious long shots. But I feel obligated to list them because they are Martin's alma mater (FIU) and the place where he started coaching college hoops (NU). Unless VCU wins a national championship and the CAA magically transforms into a major conference, both of these schools are simply too small and not relevant enough to attract any semi-successful major college coach. Just about the only advantage they would offer over K-State is that Miami and Boston would be cooler places to live than Manhattan.
North Carolina State: The Wolfpack make the list mostly because they are searching for a new coach and HCFM's name has at least come up in wild Twitter speculation, which is always fun. Some people associated with the NC State program are under the delusion that because of its proximity to Durham and Chapel Hill, it's an elite basketball program. This is clearly not the case, but they do have three things K-State does not: 2 national championships and an almost 20,000 seat basketball arena.
Purdue: The one bright spot in the Mizzou saga is that it could have a happy ending, at the expense of the Boilermakers. Again, Purdue offers superior facilities and superior tradition to Kansas State (22 Big Ten titles and a quasi-national championship in 1932) plus a more fertile recruiting ground, albeit one with better competition. Unlike NC State, Purdue also boasts considerably more recent success than Kansas State and I think it's safe to say that if they do lose Painter, they're going to be more than willing to open up their pocketbook to bring in a big name. Sorry, Missouri. Good luck finding someone good who wants to be at Mizzou forever.... For the record, I'd love to see Shaka Smart in Columbia, but it doesn't seem all that likely.
Indiana: It's true that Indiana has been awful since about 2005, and Tom Crean only just completed the third year of a 10-year contract. But this is still freaking Indiana, where basketball is king, and I think they've still got enough pride left to be quite concerned about ending another awful season on a nine-game losing streak. Plus, this school already stole one Big 12 coach who said he wouldn't have left his school for many other places. Then again, Kelvin Sampson was a slimy asshole, or the exact opposite of the Frank Martin we know and love.
Cincinnati: It was with the Bearcats that Frank really hit the big time, and keep in mind that he didn't really leave on unfriendly terms like his boss did. The draw of coaching in the Big East and in a huge college basketball town like Cincinnati has to be appealing. It should be pointed out, however, that Mick Cronin has had enough (underrated) success to make a vacancy here in the short term rather unlikely.
Florida: Obviously, it seems unlikely Billy Donovan is leaving anytime soon. But if he does have an Urban Meyer-esque midlife crisis, you have to imagine this is a school that might try to poach HCFM. Unless you've been living under a rock, I don't need to tell you about Florida's superior resources or excellent basketball tradition, even though the SEC has been incredibly weak the last two years. You'll all probably recall that Frank grew up in Miami and coached high school basketball there for years, so he probably knows something about UF basketball and might even have some personal connections.
Miami: Provided he was honest with Kansas State and didn't change his mind three weeks after a strong declaration to stay loyal and then provide some remarkably flimsy excuses, I think this is the one job where I can say with certainty that I would hold no ill will towards Frank Martin if he accepted. Sure, Miami doesn't have the tradition of Kansas State and their athletic department is kind of a mess, but it's still the place where he was born and raised, the place where he went to high school and college, and the place where he started his coaching career.
Yes, he made some serious enemies and didn't exactly leave on friendly terms, and Miami will certainly always be a football town/school. Still, you have to imagine a family guy like Frank still has a deep emotional connection there, and he already has a recruiting pipeline set up. Plus, some anonymous Nebraska idiot said it might happen on a message board. Seriously, is there anything you can't find a rumor for on the Internet these days?
The good news here is that although the Hurricanes have stagnated since a breakout season in 2007-2008, Frank Haith is under contract through the 2012-2013 season and has said he wants to stay at Miami for life, so it will still be at least a little while before Miami even starts to think about coming after HCFM.
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Thanks AA
I can’t believe you actually went through the effort of putting the speedbumps on the list. I think those would be Frank’s destinations if he was canned for some reason here, but not as a voluntary move.
By the way, I ate at Pat’s BBQ today, and guess who were the only other people there when we arrived? The entire men’s bball staff for KSU. Greenawalt isn’t very tall, but he’s built like a tall keg.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Seems like they like to hit lunch as a pack.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
I love those boots!
I think he stays. I think Miami or Florida are the two schools that have the most significant connection to him, but as you say he left a lot of enemies, and even if they would let him come back, depending on what version of the story you believe, he may not want to go back due to acrimony.
Cincinnati would have some draw, but I think it would take a falling out with KSU for that to happen.
Forward into Battle
I think the only school on the list with any real chance of luring Frank is Florida.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 30, 2011 4:03 PM CDT reply actions
Agreed.
Bring on the Cats
"If there was a run on us, and the crowd gets goin' nuts, what are we going to do? How are we going to respond? How tough are we? Do we have some Jacob Pullen in us?" - Jimmy Dykes
I actually disagee...
Gainsville is closer to Manhattan in culture than Miami…I dont see any connection there for him if not ($$, facilities that alot of other places have as well).
Miami is the one I would continue to worry about.
Well, he claims that he and his wife like Manhattan more as a place to raise children.
Which, to me, makes Gainesville seem even more of a threat.
If he’s like most people I know, he would like to be close to home (and family and friends), but not actually at home, if you know what I mean. Miami has a lot of negatives.
Aren't you living at home? :-)
Could skew your thought process. Miami is a big town, you can live 30 min away from your folks without much effort.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
And the U is a dumpster fire of a basketball program.
If we’re talking strictly jobs here and not places to live, I can’t ever see Frank leaving a program with infinitely more potential and fan support to start over from scratch in Miami.
Yeah, I'll state this pretty categorically:
Unless John Currie just chases Frank out of the state, Miami is not a threat at all.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 31, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It seems so obvious now
Looking back, despite all the conflicting media reports, you have to believe the only way Painter was ever going to leave West Lafayette for Columbia was if he didn’t get along with the administration or they refused to give him a raise. I just hope Missouri didn’t hurt itself too much when Alden said publicly that he wants someone who views Mizzou as a “destination job.” I don’t mean to insult the Tigers here, and they do have a nice arena and some other advantages, but that’s a ballsy statement when your school has never been to a Final Four and hasn’t won a regular season conference title since ’94.
by Ahearn Alley on Mar 30, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
If that's what they want ...
They better start looking at the Norm Stewart coaching tree.
Other than the 5 biggies (and even they aren’t immune to the NBA), there are no destination schools … except for guys that “come home”.
And while I think KSU has as good a shot as any non-elite program that I’ve seen at keeping a guy for a long, long time without him being “home” … the AD just has to stay vigilant and attentive.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 30, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn, I need an edit ...
I wrote a “gulp” after the “Norm Stewart coaching tree” blurb … because there really aren’t any limbs on that baby.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 30, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, didn't that seem obvious last week...
I’ve felt this whole time like I’ve been taking crazy pills. Not once did I take this Painter talk seriously and even with his history, I’m surprised that Mike Alden did. Just very strange to me.
p.s. Nice write-up…pretty much agree with everything you wrote. And even if you do lose Frank someday, you’ll be in much better shape to replace him than you’ve been in a long, long time. Win-win, I’d say.
by hiphopopotamus on Mar 31, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I honestly think Frank has a chance to become an icon here.
He wouldn’t have that chance at any other school, were he to leave. I don’t know how much that means to him, but if I were in his (totally awesome Powercat) boots, it would mean something to me.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 30, 2011 5:09 PM CDT reply actions
looks like the base pay for college coaches is headed up
Hopefully ADJC notes the trend in salaries and starts talking w/ HCFM (and staff) to figure out how to keep them around for a long time.
I do agree w/ KSB that Frank has the opportunity to become a legacy coach, e.g. Winter, Hartman.
I do hope Mizzou gets a good coach, want to keep the toughness of the Big12(-2) basketball going.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 30, 2011 9:23 PM CDT reply actions
I think Coach Martin is making pretty good money right now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Martin_(basketball)
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
I was always under the impression
That the only thing that could lure Martin away was a Florida are job, since that is where he is from and where his family is from. Plus, he already recruits the area, and could probably put together really good teams especially being in the area (as opposed to convincing guys to come to east-central Kansas).
If any of that is wrong, I apologize (I obviously don’t have the knowledge about him you guys do). But, if Florida is the only destination that would lure him…
Florida – Billy Donovan can coach here for life if he wants. He could jump to the NBA (he did already, only to retract) but he turned down Kentucky. He obviously isn’t going to another college job.
Florida State – deep NCAA run this year gets Hamilton off the hot seat and buys time. Besides, this is a lateral move from KSU at best.
Miami… ???? Frank Heathbar (or whatever his name is) has been there a while. He hasn’t ever really done that well in the ACC. Maybe Miami cans him and makes a play for Martin. It’d be an upgrade for the Hurricanes, so maybe they pony up a sweet package.
Thats really the only threat I could ever see. He grew up in Miami, from what I know. This IS kind of like Anderson to Arkansas in some regards. Still think it’d be a stretch
Shit happens when you win championships
All I need to know about Miami is that Kirby Hocutt spent less than two years there before bailing to Lubbock.
To me, that speaks volumes, and it should to prospective coaches, as well.
+1
Any job where Lubbock > that job is no threat to steal Frank.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 31, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just don't see him going to The U
No real reason, just a gut.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Looks like we might get to find out
I hope you’re right.
by Ahearn Alley on Apr 3, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Now I am freakin out man
“@goodmanonfox Frank Haith has been hired as Missouri coach, sources told FOXSports.com. News conference expected in next 48 hours.”
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Well, guess we will find out.
Turns out i’m more scared when facing it square in the face. Twitter is not helping me right now. I wouldn’t even be mad if Frank left. It totally makes sense. Also, i would love Frank more than anything in the world if he stayed.
I wouldn't be mad at him,
but I’d think he was insane. The Miami basketball program is a hole. And he wouldn’t win there, if he left—NO one wins there.
Innovators look at the same thing as everyone else, yet see something different.
by K. Scott Bailey on Apr 4, 2011 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions

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