TOURNEY WATCH: 3/18/2011 (NCAA Open Thread)
by BracketCat on Mar 18, 2011 12:01 PM CDT
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Once again, feel free to use this story's comments section as a gathering place to discuss the early afternoon NCAA Tournament action, especially if you were clever like me and took a vacation day today.
Most of the relevant action was concentrated within the Cats' Southeast Region, where K-State obviously knocked off No. 12 seed Utah State.
It will be a tough match-up for the Cats, as Panjandrum explained in the postgame thread.
Jacob and the Miracles now will face fourth-seeded Wisconsin, which dispatched my upset pick Belmont with relative ease. The Badgers are a familiar foe, having knocked Pullen and company out three years ago in Omaha.
Elsewhere in the region, Florida barely broke a sweat in pounding UC Santa Barbara in front of a home crowd, while perennial Cinderella Gonzaga dispatched media sensation St. John's in what I though was a fairly predictable result.
Don't bet against Mark Few in this tourney and don't pick the Johnnies when they have to fly west.
The only other opponent in action was Missouri, which lost a lead late in the first half, then lost all confidence, then lost its fifth game in six tries, and now might lose its coach to a neighboring state. That's a lot of losing.
Associated Press Ranking = 21
ESPN/USA Today Ranking = 24
Overall Record = 23-10
Big 12 Record = 10-6
Top 50 Record = 4-6
Big 12 Seed = 4
NCAA Seed = 5
RPI = 23
SOS = 11
Region (Site) = Southeast (Tucson)
Signature Wins (RPI 1-30) = Kansas, Texas, Utah State
Quality Wins (RPI 31-100) = James Madison, Virginia Tech, Gonzaga, Washington State, Baylor, Nebraska (2), Missouri
Bad Losses (RPI 101 or greater) = none
- James Madison (21-12, 10-8 CAA) | RPI = 88
- No. 1* seed Virginia Tech (22-11, 9-7 ACC) | RPI = 62
- Presbyterian (13-18, 7-11 Big South) | RPI = 204
- No. 11 seed Gonzaga (24-9, 11-3 WCC) | RPI = 56: Win over No. 6 seed St. John's (86-71 in the Southeast Region of the NCAA Tournament)
- No. 1 seed Duke (30-4, 13-3 ACC) | RPI = 4
- Texas Southern (19-13, 16-2 SWAC) | RPI = 192
- Emporia State (16-14, 12-10 MIAA**)
- No. 2* seed Washington State (20-12, 9-9 Pac-10) | RPI = 82
- Alcorn State (4-24, 4-14 SWAC) | RPI = 337
- Loyola-Chicago (16-15, 7-11 Horizon League) | RPI = 197
- No. 2 seed Florida (27-7, 13-3 SEC) | RPI = 8: Win over No. 15 seed UCSB (79-51 in the Southeast Region of the NCAA Tournament)
- No. 8 seed UNLV (24-8, 11-5 Mountain West) | RPI = 25
- UMKC (16-14, 9-9 Summit League) | RPI = 212
- North Florida (15-19, 10-10 Atlantic Sun) | RPI = 149
- Savannah State (12-18) | RPI = 252
- No. 3* seed Oklahoma State (20-13, 6-10 Big 12) | RPI = 61
- No. 1* seed Colorado (22-13, 8-8 Big 12) | RPI = 65
- Texas Tech (13-19, 5-11 Big 12) | RPI = 165
- No. 11 seed Missouri (23-11, 8-8 Big 12) | RPI = 37: Loss to No. 6 seed Cincinnati (63-78 in the West Region of the NCAA Tournament)
- No. 7 seed Texas A&M (24-8, 10-6 Big 12) | RPI = 30
- Baylor (18-13, 7-9 Big 12) | RPI = 94
- No. 1 seed Kansas (32-2, 14-2 Big 12) | RPI = 1
- Nebraska (19-13, 7-9 Big 12) | RPI = 89
- Iowa State (16-16, 3-13 Big 12) | RPI = 138
- Oklahoma (14-18, 5-11 Big 12) | RPI = 126
- No. 4 seed Texas (27-7, 13-3 Big 12) | RPI = 11
- No. 12 seed Utah State (30-4, 15-1 WAC) | RPI = 15: Loss to No. 5 seed Kansas State (68-73 in the Southeast Region of the NCAA Tournament)
- No. 4 seed Wisconsin (24-8, 13-5 Big Ten) | RPI = 16: Win over No. 13 seed Belmont (72-58 in the Southeast Region of the NCAA Tournament)
*NIT
**Division II
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early snooze game
UT v OU, non-rrr version. TX up early by double digits.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 11:54 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah, that's what I turned to...
but then I started reading the EDSBS condiment bracket thread …
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not a blowout anymore.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, it's a blowout again.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
That shot the Michigan kid hit at the first half buzzer was a bit insane.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions
Even more insane is that is apparently caused Tennessee to flat out QUIT.
A 30-point loss, Vols? Really? To that shitty Big Ten team?
Good job, Mike Hamilton. You might as well fire Pearl now, since you already cut his balls off.
This from the same fucking genius who hired both Lane Kiffin and Derek Dooley. Tennessee is a total grease fire of an athletics program.
I very possibly might blow all four 8-9 picks.
I’m already 0-2, and you just know some 9 seeds are going to win today. They have a 56-percent win rate, for crying out loud.
I’m guess Villanova and Illinois both find ways to win. Damn it. I would have had better luck had I just picked all 9 seeds.
Well, I finally got one right.
Could this be the first Dance living memory where all the 8 seeds advance?
Nah
UNLV decided they want an early Spring Break instead of playing March basketball.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
When did they find the Nova team?
I thought they would be losing by this time of the game.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 2:06 PM CDT reply actions
never mind...
GMU 61
Nova 57
’Nova is still on milk cartons.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Nova's last win over an NCAA team was West Virginia on Feb. 6.
Since then, their ONLY wins are over Seton Hall and DePaul, the latter in overtime.
They’ve been a dumpster fire for more than a month. Them getting a bid over Colorado is a joke, and the 9 seed they were gifted with was an insult to 12 seeds everywhere.
Philadelphia tv market;
why is anyone surprised by any of this.
oh hail the Purple and White
Gus was in full "Gus Mode" for the end of that game.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 3:38 PM CDT reply actions
and I loved it!!
Just got home and turned on the TV to it…. what a great way to start the weekend
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
he blew up the EDSBS servers ....
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
What does this mean?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
EDSBS
Every Day Should Be Saturday = College Football Site
Large threads going on ‘bouncy ball’ … the server went down so no posts during Gus’ epic call. I’m blaming him for the problem because he is Gus and is legendary.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I knew what EDSBS meant.
I just wasn’t sure what you meant by “he blew up [their] servers.”
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
8-D
the site just went down, no big deal just the timing was so nice.
Now picture Gus calling the Master’s … I might actually watch golf.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
"Tiger's in SHAPE!!!"
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Want more Gus???
HE’S IN SHAPE!! This is just freaking awesome!!! Give it a second to load but its well worth it!!
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
what round does aTm usually go down in?
The Second?
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
which tournament?
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
NCAA
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
first or 2nd
they like to change it up on you.
I just don’t pick them to win anymore. I might lose a point or two, but I make it up with less anguish.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
No, aTm never loses its first game.
They lose in the second, except for one Sweet 16 run under Billy Clyde.
my bad
aTm last lost a first round game in 1987 … back in the day.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
They've had a pretty good recent history under Turgeon and Gillispie, iirc ...
Of winning the 1st round game. But they’ve struggled to win the 2nd round game.
The year they were really good (Acie Law), they went down to Memphis’s Final Four team in the Sweet 16.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
They dont like media in Tucson
Link. Really only need to watch the first 30 seconds. Watch the left side of the screen
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Nice 3 bal from aTm at the horn
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Great game between Memphis and Arizona as well.
So glad ours didn’t come down to that. I seem to remember a bunch of people trying to convince me that we had the toughest 5/12 draw…
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 4:19 PM CDT reply actions
But it's so fun to gloat and then be RIGHT! :)
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
BTW- where did the KSU logo go in the Studio??
It was there Selection night and now its not….. Rotating them out maybe?
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Florida State gets away with more contact than any team I've seen in awhile.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, there's a REASON that FSU is such a "good defensive team."
Every time a guy drives, he’s slapped, grabbed, and violated in other relatively non-sexual ways.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, the Classy Cats aren't the ONLY dance team with members who put on their "winter weight."
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 5:12 PM CDT reply actions
but if it is a southern school....
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that chick from FSU certainly had some extra "cushion."
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
but they really don't have a winter
….
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
so much better for the pushin
oh hail the Purple and White
Florida State ought to be able to pull girls out of the front row of the student section who are more fit than that.
I mean, we’re talking about Jenn Sterger University here.
Is that the girl Brett Favre harrassed?
I consciously ignored that whole fiasco, as much as possible.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, I don't care all that much about the Aggies, but
how the HELL is THAT a foul, and all of the muggings at the other end AREN’T?!?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 5:15 PM CDT reply actions
Here's what pisses me off:
Colorado would be in the Round of 32 right now. They are better than aTm and MU.
That said, frack Colorado.
You know that RPI bracket I'm working up?
CU doesn’t make it in that one either. Their non-con was just brutally pathetic.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The Singing Napa Commercial delves new lows of commercial hell.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 5:26 PM CDT reply actions
Who watches professional wrestling?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 5:27 PM CDT reply actions
I do every now and again.
It’s a nostalgia thing. My only memory of the house I lived in until I was about 3 1/2 is watching Hulk Hogan with my dad.
That's a good reason.
It always just seemed like such a “soap opera for redneck guys” to me, though.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
game by game my bracket lives up to its name.....
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 5:37 PM CDT reply actions
in a tie for 6th but have 4th fewest possible points left
Damn you Louisville!!!
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I've lost two Elite 8 teams (Sparty and Aggie), but no FF teams yet.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't play a "money" bracket in any year that KSU is in.
It’s too hard to separate head and heart for me.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Commendable.
The boys at work talked me into it.
I only took us to the Sweet 16 in it, for what it’s worth. Had us beating Belmont in this round.
Mine is no great shakes either.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
So far Boston is driving to the rim at will
Just not converting every basket
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I don't care how bad it makes the Big 12 look.
It would be awesome if KU were the first #1 to lose to a #16.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That's the one slim silver lining about ku ever having a 1-seed ...
You will never, ever lose that stink once it gets on you.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Question
A friend a I were having this convo the other day….. Do you think that if KSU plays before KU and KSU wins that puts extra pressure on KU??
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
No.
I don’t think they look at it that way at all.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok
But you see what I am trying to say right?
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Yeah, but
I just don’t think that the Beakers worry about that kind of thing.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Not at this stage
but if both teams make it to the Elite 8, then those thoughts may start creeping in. But I don’t think it would adversely effect KU.
oh hail the Purple and White
Yeah, once you get that far, I think they think about it.
I know last year, a lot of my KU friends wasted a BUNCH of interwebz energy explaining to me how it didn’t matter at all that KSU went further than the Beakers in the Dance.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
KU tied 15-15, 12 minutes into the game.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 6:15 PM CDT reply actions
That kid got CRUSHED on the 3-point attempt, and no call.
Robinson takes a bump on the layup, and gets the call.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 6:19 PM CDT reply actions
I mean, I just watched it again, and Morningstar literally ran over him.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont care if Boston loses by 50
They are doing a great job and playing a good game to this point. I give them a ton of credit for not playing scared!!!
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I totally agree with that ...
Just keeping it together on the offensive end is good for this team. And they really are trying hard on D.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
ku has such uncanny timing ...
They would be getting crushed by about 30 different teams right now. Just not Boston U.
The only phoggie that can make anything right now is Reed and exactly none of them are defending.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 6:24 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, a team like Morehead would be housing them right now.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Kayyou is getting a ton of calls.
Not that I’m shocked by that, I’m just saying.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 6:34 PM CDT reply actions
And its still a 4 pt game!!!
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
This is embarrassing, phoggies.
Either keep it up until the end or stop embarrassing our conference.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 6:35 PM CDT reply actions
Boston is hanging by a very thin thread ...
If/when they get down by 7 or more, it’s 100% over. They have one guy with any offensive talent whatsoever.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
God, it would be SO great if you could help BU outscore the Beakers 29-24 in the second half...
Yes, I’m praying for a helping hand from the Almighty.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 6:37 PM CDT reply actions
That one guy in the middle who kinda likes Kawhi Leonard is giving McMorris all kinds of trouble.
It’s a block party and Marcus is the guest of honor!
If Boston wants to keep hanging around,
they’ve got to bleed 30+ seconds on every possession, and then take as open of a 3-pointer as possible. In that scenario, they get about 22-25 possessions, give or take based upon rebounding. If they take 21 threes, and hit 9 or 10 of them, they’ve got a real shot at this.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 6:46 PM CDT reply actions
how is Morris lowering a shoulder and initiating contact not a foul?
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 6:57 PM CDT reply actions
That was a pretty quick 5-second call, too.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
yep.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing
As much as I would like to see KU lose, the Big XII has not been very impressive so far.
Yep. At least they gave Morris-A a chicken wing foul on the other end ...
I think that 3 that just went halfway down and out along with the Morris-? putback just pushed it past my limits of giving Boston U a chance.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
front of jersey says Kansas
Did you really need to ask?!
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
7-17 at the moment
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Jeebus, this is pathetic. This is the phoggies F-- game.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 7:08 PM CDT reply actions
Pretty sure Boston is the worst team I've watched in the round of 64.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I should add that I've been at work for the afternoon games. :-)
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You missed a couple of pretty bad teams! :)
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
BU just make a basket...
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 7:12 PM CDT reply actions
that I will fall asleep watching the game
And so will the team.
K-State is athletic and can move. Having to slow down, even more than the USU game, is very difficult to do. We can do it, but frustration could cause us problems and we know how certain players can psych themselves out of playing to their capability.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't be fooled by their low scoring totals ...
They’re actually a very efficient offensive team. It’s just that they hold the ball for the entire shot clock.
What scares me most is that they don’t turn the ball over. Period. And they are extremely good at taking away the strengths of your offense and limiting you to one shot. They are the Maybach of grinder teams.
On the plus side for us … this Wisconsin team is nowhere near as good as the one that crushed us 3 years ago.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting hypothetical:
Would you trade Shane for Selby right now, straight up, if you were guaranteed Selby was coming back next year? I wouldn’t, for three reasons: (1) I absolutely LOVE Shane’s length on defense; (2) I love Shane’s court awareness at the offensive end; and (3) I think Shane will be a four-year starter, where Selby will probably leave after his sophomore year, barring further injury.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 7:28 PM CDT reply actions
at times I'm thinking Selby is the Wally Judge of KU basketball
Good player you want to see do well but does not.
I like Shane and think his length will help a bunch next year. Plus with the summer to continue to improve and being one of ‘the’ guys, he will only be better next year.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I would not ...
And I’m pretty sure Selby is going to be at least a very good offensive player next year.
Shane projects to be a perfect guard for a Martin-style team.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I see him more as a "Point Forward"-type of player.
At 6’6" and around 215-220, I think that’s more how he profiles—like a 3, who brings the ball up a lot.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I do as well ... I should have clarified a 2/3 point forward possibility ...
But I will be disappointed if we’re ever in a situation where we can’t find an option at the 3 that lets Shane play mostly the 2.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Because we should be able to have 2 long, athletic players at the 2 and 3 ...
at the same time.
I love having Shane and McGruder out there at the 2/3 on D. Love it.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
My perfect lineup next year goes:
1=Will; 2=Rod; 3=Shane; 4=Jamar; 5=JHR
Bench= some combination of Devon, Martavious, and a couple of Freshmen bigs.
I think that 20+ wins and an 11-7 conference record isn’t too much to ask of that squad.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
So is Russell gonna transfer?
I dont see him on the bench much more.!!
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I completely forgot about him!
I do think he’s either going to transfer, or step up and become a super sixth man next year. I hope it’s the latter.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Havent studied incoming guys
But I really think Nick can handle a good chunk of Jakes scoring. And maybe a fraction of his D…..
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Yeah, but who does he displace in the lineup I proposed?
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
that is the bad thing about losing 'only' 2 seniors
and having 1 junior.
Of course losing 2 gents mid-season helped …. but still will be hard to balance playing time.
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no clue!!
But we also have Nino sitting on the bench as a RS…..
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Sheesh!
I forgot about Nino too!
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Rod's an inch shorter (I think), and more of a shooter.
But even still, 2s and 3s are often interchangeable.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I just think of it as a three-guard offense.
But my reasoning was that Shane is much better at handling the ball and driving with it than Rodney.
True, but that's why I'd classify Shane as a "point forward."
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, I've just double-replied to my own post ...
If we find a seriously good scoring 2, then obviously Shane could bump to the 3 easily.
Or maybe Shane ends up a seriously good scorer as well.
I like Shane Southwell. I’m going to stop posting on this thread branch now.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
This thread branch is winning though! :)
And I think we’re going to see averages of something like 9-10 points, 3-4 assists, 4 rebounds and a block and a steal per game for Shane next year.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Devon might improve enough over the summer to get some starts
think he is still adjusting to the system.
What about the gents coming in?
Shane could easily get those numbers with his athletic ability. And McGruder is about to start zooming as a player.
If JHR gets some bulk and body control ability, he will dominate in the post. Sign him up for every Food Science Dept experiment.
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
As far as scoring, I think we'll be WAY more balanced next year.
I’m thinking Rod with maybe 14 or so ppg, Jamar around 12-13, Will and Shane around 9-10, and Jordan around 8 or 9. Add in about 20-25 points or so divided between the bench players, and I think we’ll be pretty salty on offense.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey! Guess who's in the lead for the bracket challenge?
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
SeanT?
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
TB?
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Honest LOL
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Rec'd
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
KStates Tourney Page is great
It has the graph of each teams stats. We both shoot the 3pt the same and very close to same FG%.
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
as the ad is loading it has KU's warm up ... another fail for ad people.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw that too
Was thinking maybe it changed every time…. guess not
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
That thing is out-of-date. We're 4-6 vs. the top 50 now.
Utah State was our third signature win.
As an aside, does that ever show the weakness of RPI or what? How did USU get that high in the RPI without playing or beating anybody? Mid-majors clearly have learned how to gimmick the RPI system.
Oh, definitely.
I’m trying to figure out how they do it. Is it just not scheduling any sub-200 rated teams or something?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
True, but there has to be SOMETHING else they're doing, right?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
RPI overvalues beating mediocre-to-bad teams on the road ...
That’s why you see teams in the good mid-major conferences with the gaudy RPI numbers. Lots of conference road wins that were relatively easy to come by.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
If I'm a coach, I think I'd practice layups and other short range shots
Lots of missed layups and 4’ shots.
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 8:01 PM CDT reply actions
Man, Xavier looks like s---!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 8:58 PM CDT reply actions
Pop quiz: Which game has displayed the lowest collective BBIQ?
Marquette-Xavier or Illinois-UNLV?
I think it’s a toss-up. Xavier and UNLV are playing some of the shittiest basketball I’ve seen in a long time.
Why couldn't Xavier have played like that last year in the Sweet 16?!?
I don’t know that Butler beats us if we don’t go to 2OT in that one.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Does Terrell--I mean "Tu"--Holloway deserve an overrated chant, perhaps?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe that WE just won!
I enjoyed the post-game video shots of Wild Bill in the stands.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Happy thought:
No way, no how was UNLV ever going to beat KU with its shitty inability to shoot.
Illinois at least has a fighting chance if the shots are dropping. So I’m saying there’s a chance…
If KU plays like they played for the first 25 minutes today, LOTS of teams can beat them.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope that "someone" is US in the Final Four.
How freaking legendary would THAT be?!?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
If the game keeps at the same pace
then Illinois will be well rested as they will be able to rest most key players real early…
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
UNLV never had a chance at guarding ku even a little anyway ...
Illinois probably can’t guard ku’s frontcourt either, but they have a better chance than UNLV. If they bring it like they are tonight, they’ll be hanging around until the end.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
VCU looks decent again tonight
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
It is a Big East oppponent...
anybody else’s “Turrable”-love-level rising the more Barkley spouts the anit-Big East comments? He’s so right on too. The Big East didn’t just get 11 teams in… they got many teams in and seeded higher than really should have been and I’m sure it’s either b/c the committee felt they had to to satisfy some seeding principals or at least would blame it on that.
Take ’em down, VCU!
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Does Shaka Smart have the coolest coach name of the tournament?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 10:04 PM CDT reply actions
Other than
Frank… yes.
Zing! :-P
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Just heard VCU has taken over 700 3PA this year....
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Georgetown brought absolutely no emotion or energy tonight ...
When their shots didn’t fall early, they just mailed it in.
Seeya.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 10:24 PM CDT reply actions
But we (Big 12) aren't hailed by
all the talking “geniuses” (heads) as the greatest conference in basketball.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
For my part, I've got nothing against the Big East ...
The sports media at-large overhyped the conference, due to the sheer number of solid teams … even though that is largely a product of a 16 team conference.
But, each one of those teams were unquestionably deserving of an at-large bid. And I don’t think, given the power numbers, there was much in the way of mis-seeding.
No elite teams … then again, there are barely any elite teams in college basketball this year. It will be interesting to see just how good a team like Notre Dame is.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Got Florida State upsetting them. FYI.
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
Continuing this conversation...
…I have to admit that so far, the Big Ten is living up to its preseason hype.
No upsets so far, and the two losses were both by two points and easily could have the gone the other way.
But the wins… Michigan in a 30-point blowout and Illinois winning by two-thirds of that? Yes.
The single biggest reason my bracket is suffering now is because I let my anti-Big Ten bias get in the way of my objectivity.
Looking at some numbers for tomorrows game
Per Game—-
Wis 3PA- 22. 3PM- 8.1
KSU 3PA- 19. 3PM- 7.1
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I prefer looking at
3PA/FGA, 3pt FG%, and %pts-from-3point-baskets numbers that you can get from POMEROY! ;-)
Wisc: 40.8%, 37.7%, and 36%… to me that says they shoot quite a few threes and make quite a few of them and rely heavily on those points to fuel their low possession game. They figure that if they can limit the number of game possessions AND turn most of theirs into three pointers they have good odds of not letting you score more points than they do. Which is Nebrasketball taken to the level of remembering to score too (So not really Nebrasketball).
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Looks like they're among the worst teams in america at getting to the FT line.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 18, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
But they are absolutely NAILS
when they get there – possibly why they don’t shoot many… teams are scared to send them there. Also, we have a way of getting opponents to the line regardless of their history. However, being more athletic than the other team at many positions should help with picking those up.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
They don't shoot many because they don't attack the basket relentlessly.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I would suspect most of their attempts
are at the end of games they lead (quite a few games in recent seasons) as the opponent attempts to extend the game with extra possessions…
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Georgetown, a 6 seed, down 20
and everyone had a fit when VCU got in this tourney. G/town=bad.
oh hail the Purple and White
Did anyone catch Gus's awesome "Gus Sound" on Odom's over-the-head And-1?
I’ve never quite heard him utter one like that.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 10:48 PM CDT reply actions
missed it
was watching the Big East let-down game and SEC how’d-they-get-in-and-get-a-10-seed-in-this-thing team’s game… Have yet to see anything of Indiana State this year but that Odom kid makes me think of Pistol Pete (Maravich, not the OSU mascot). Though I admittedly have very little Maravich (sp?) and Odom data/observations from which to draw.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
The Pistol had just put out a ball-handling video right before he died.
It became a staple of our basketball coach’s early season workout routine for us. The Pistol had some SERIOUS handle, even into his 40s.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 18, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Pistol was a magician.
the best ball-handler, ever, bar none; case closed. And he could shoot it too.
oh hail the Purple and White
KU, lucky b/turds!
Now the 4,5, and 6 seed in their bracket are out. Is Purdue or Notre Dame a bigger threat to the beakers? I don’t know, just asking.
oh hail the Purple and White
I have a bracket
with Purdue hitting the Final Four… but over L’ville – who quit early. I think any team with a top 4 seed has a chance against any other team this year.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I've lost 6
out of 32. But 4 are from the KU bracket. Of course, I was a fool to go with aTm. But Turgeon is usually good for one win.
oh hail the Purple and White
BOTC bracket 23 of 32 left
another bracket has 26 of 32 left
so in the BOTC bracket: Xavier, Georgetown, aTm, Tenn, OldDom, St John’s, MSU, Vandy and UNLV all failed me. At least all the conferences contributed equally to my suckiness.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 18, 2011 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
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