Selection Sunday Live Thread!
by BracketCat on Mar 13, 2011 5:00 PM CDT
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PrintFor the benefit of TB and all other blog members who can't be near a TV for the Selection Show (and thus missed Frank's appearance on CBS at 4:40 p.m. — sad face), let's keep this thread rolling as the pairings are announced.
You can find a good PDF bracket for printing purposes here.
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OSU in the East, KU in the Southwest, Pitt in the Southwest, Duke in the West.
Screw you, Notre Dame.
0 Big 12 teams and 4 Big East teams
This violates all previous seeding laws as we knew them. Fracking Big East.
When they have the studio shot
Look on the right side…. Nice KSU Wildcat logo in plain veiw for the world to see!!!
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
East Region:
1. Ohio State
16. play-in (UTSA/Alabama State)
2. North Carolina
15. Long Island
3. Syracuse
14. Indiana State
4. Kentucky
13. Princeton
5. West Virginia
12. play-in (UAB/Clemson)
6. Xavier
11. Marquette
7. Washington
10. Georgia
8. George Mason
9. Villanova
Early analysis
Mason will kill Nova. Guaranteed.
Georgia wasn’t even close to the bubble.
I think Colorado might be screwed if crap teams like UAB and Clemson are in already.
How sage
this insight was, BC.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I meant North Carolina-Washington.
Kentucky and Washington can’t meet until the regional final. Fingers got ahead of the brain again.
I think we are in the West
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
WOW
Texas really slide down!!!!
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I really think we can take UConn
Make us this 6
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Damn
I think Cincy got over seeded
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
More important, how is it possible for them to meet another Big East team in the second round?
I thought that was ABSOLUTELY against the seeding rules.
This committee was smoking crack rocks.
Agree, especially considering they played just as crappy a non-con as Alabama or Colorado.
Mixed messages from the committee.
My theory: No ugly losses boosted us to a 5 seed. I'm impressed.
Maybe it will be a good thing to get the 1 seed in the Sweet 16 instead of the Elite 8, if we even get them.
Trying to find the positives here. Really wanted that 6 seed SJU got. Bet they got dropped b/c of the DJ Kennedy injury.
I really REALLY like our spot.
First, I’m not impressed with Utah State. You and I even talked about the fact that the committee shows them more respect than they deserve in the BOTCetology thread. And I don’t think Wiscy sees the second round.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
For a team that never seems to win first-round games, yes.
And I agree. Belmont scares me more. Wisky can’t win away from the Kohl Center and often can’t even make it respectable.
I hate that aspect of our seeding.
We win against Utah State, and we get (a) a team that sent Jacob Pullen home his freshman year, or (b) a team I want no part of whatsoever.
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
Belmont won't win more than once in the tournament.
If they beat Wiscy (and I think they will), I think we’re a Sweet 16 lock. And Wiscy and their POS offense don’t scare me much either.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus if anything, extra motivation for Jake is a good thing against Wisconsin.
But one game at a time, one game at a time…
I too found humor in that
But I think they just might be good enough to win a first round game…just because I think Coach Anderson is good for at least that. I don’t think he’s a great coach by any stretch, but for some reason, I think he’s good for a tourney win every year.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
That and it seems Cinncy
is widely regarded as over-rated at the 6-line. OH how I hope the Big East flops again this tourney season!
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
yea and I think Cincy
quietly made it up to where they finished. I think they started out having a relatively slow year. Although maybe there are some people in Southern Ohio saying the same thing about K-state. I’m not overly dialed in to teams outside of the big 12.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Actually, they were one of the last undefeated teams this year.
The problem is that they played a weak non-conference.
well, there you go...
I’ll just stop making assumptions sounds like would be the better route for me at this point
"Nor yet in Dell?"
West Region:
1. Duke
16. Hampton
2. San Diego State
15. Northern Colorado
3. UConn
14. Bucknell
4. Texas
13. Oakland
5. Arizona
12. Memphis
6. Cincinnati
11. Missouri
7. Temple
10. Penn State
8. Michigan
9. Tennessee
Preliminary thoughts:
Arizona and UConn appear to be the most dangerous teams here, but you still have to respect Duke and Texas. San Diego State is an interesting wild card.
Gotta like the committee making Josh Pastner, an Arizona guy, play Arizona.
Mizzou has to beat two big East teams just to get to the Sweet Sixteen. If I was Mike Anderson, I’d just go to Arkansas now and get it over with.
CO vs VT playin game
thoughts? thats what i am calling
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Swing-and-a-miss!
Though I would agree both of those teams SHOULD be in and got shafted…
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I'd take CU
in that matchup… though it’s tough to really put anything serious behind that because CU can give up points to anybody.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Not sure CU will care now that their hearts are broken.
The NIT is always a total crap-shoot for that reason.
I always figured
an NCAA-snub should have great motivation to win and be crowned the 66th (now 69th) best team in the country, so-to-speak. But any team that wins the NIT, in 20/20 hindsight, should have been in over the first early flame-out in the Tournament…
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I think they'll lose in the first or second round,
for exactly that reason. And idiots like Dan Dakech will crow about it.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
The committee surprising a bunch thus far.
UNLV as an 8?
Agreed...
UNLV is pretty good, but not great and not overly impressive. 8-seed? Sounds about right by the VC-eye-test.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
UNLV always ends up as an 8 or a 9 in KU's pod.
Happened last year. Happened in 2008 in Omaha. It’s crazy. They love torturing Lon.
Tough to beat a team
3 times?
Oh wait, that’s a debate on a different thread? And relating to within one season?
Oh, ok then.
/intentional OT tangent
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I don't mind that seeding,
I just thought they would probably be on the same line as we were.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Are we going to be a 10 seed??
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
guess I overreacted to the other B12 teams getting screwed
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
We're gonna get screwed.
Texas, Missouri and Texas A&M all got lower seeds than expected. The committee obviously over-respects the Big Ten and under-respects the Big 12, despite Beebe being in the room.
I think CO is F-ed
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Yeah. Things not looking good for them.
Ridiculous is they don’t get in and some of these other teams do.
Southwest Region:
1. Kansas
16. Boston University
2. Notre Dame
15. Akron
3. Purdue
14. St. Peter’s
4. Louisville
13. Morehead State
5. Vanderbilt
12. Richmond
6. Georgetown
11. play-in (USC/VCU)
7. Texas A&M
10. Florida State
8. UNLV
9. Illinois
Thoughts:
KU got an easy road to the Final Four, IMO. Notre Dame is a team they match up very well with. Purdue is questionable right now. Louisville might be their biggest challenge.
Richmond over Vanderbilt is a blatantly obvious 12-5 candidate. Will it happen to the ’Dores two years in a row?
Looks like aTm will win their requisite one game again. FSU is depleted.
Weird fact: Illinois could play two of its former coaches in a row. Lon Kruger and Bill Self.
Quick name a good team USC beat....
I cant think of one
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I'm just stunned that VCU and UAB got in, and that Michigan, Illinois, and Georgia were in so comfortably.
This will be Lunardi’s worst year ever. The committee is throwing curveball after curveball here.
I thought Lunardi was loopy this year.
I wasn’t any better, though.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
SHIT
DIDNT WANT THAT 5
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Have you watched them play?
Everyone says no one wants to play them, but I really don’t think they’re very good.
they're great at home...
anywhere else…
by WillieWannabe on Mar 13, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
They'll have a lot of fans there though.
Otherwise I really like it.
And Belmont??
not liking any of this
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I feel bad for them
I really wanted to watch Burks and Higgins tear it up
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
they would handle half the field...
crazy. Well, better schedule better.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 13, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Wisconsin, BYU, Zaga, Butler, Florida.
A bunch of old friends here.
Getting swept by Virginia? Yes, I guess you could call that horrible luck.
I call it a mediocre team.
True, but still better than VCU, UAB, and (in my opinion) Penn State.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Utah State
didnt look to happy that they were playing us…. If you have DVR watch them again
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I've watched them play.
I’ve got no idea why people are so scared of them. They lose to every good team they play.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Tai Wesley is going to get some maddening calls though. He’s good. But he complains nearly as much as Curt.
So am I a wizard or what asking about Utah State?
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky
Was that over in the BOTCetology thread?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Note to Colorado and Alabama.
Play a better non-con next year. Pretty clear message from the committee.
Southeast Region:
1. Pittsburgh
16. play-in (UNCA Asheville/Arkansas-Little Rock)
2. Florida
15. UC Santa Barbara
3. BYU
14. Wofford
4. Wisconsin
13. Belmont
5. Kansas State
12. Utah State
6. St. John’s
11. Gonzaga
7. UCLA
10. Michigan State
8. Butler
9. Old Dominion
Thoughts:
I think guys have covered most of the angles so far, but here’s a few more.
I like that there aren’t any majorly athletic teams in the region like Colorado, other than Florida, who we’re well aware of.
Now that might seem crazy, given our struggles with Wisconsin and Butler in the past. But that was a different offensive system. I think our new pinch-post offense, if executed correctly, will help us to match up better in the halfcourt against those teams.
Plus, we have Jake. There are very few players in this field that he can’t match up with defensively.
Pitt is notorious for falling out in the second (now third) round or the Sweet Sixteen. That bodes well for us if we make it that far. We can play Pitt’s style — a slowdown, brawling mud fight.
If BYU still had Davies, they could have made hay in this region. As it is, they still might face rematches with Florida and K-State, but both look difficult now.
St. John’s has not played well when it has to fly west, losing to St. Mary’s and UCLA. Doesn’t bode well for the match-up with the resurgent Zags. I half expect a BYU-Gonzaga preview of next year’s WCC action, which would be a sad ending for a great Red Storm season.
I don’t have a clue who will win the UCLA-MSU game. Could easily see either team. Same goes for Butler-ODU.
Lunardi whiffed on at least four bubble teams.
He had Colorado, Alabama, Virginia Tech, St. Mary’s in.
What doesn't make sense to me is we were seeded higher than anyone had us as a 5.
And yet the team that beat us three times doesn’t even get in.
Not sure I consider it whiffing ...
When you’re talking about predicting the actions of a group of madmen.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 14, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
Let’s see, Tx is one of our “signature wins.” CU beat Tx. The only “big” win we have that CU does not have is against KU. But they beat us 3 times. And they don’t get in. And we get a 5 seed! Hose job of all time. It is because of crap like this that I simply cannot take this whole bracketology thing seriously.
oh hail the Purple and White
Non-conference SOS
… 325. ’Nuff said, I think.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I have sun spots on my TV
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I was so focused on my "BOTCetology" post I didn't even realize this thread was up.
UAB/VCU in over CU/Va Tech is a complete joke.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 5:45 PM CDT reply actions
Agreed. CU would fucking crush UAB, Clemson, USC and VCU. Not even close, really.
This is punishment for the weak-ass non-con, nothing more.
KSB, no shame in missing the UAB/USC.
Pretty sure Lunardi’s bracket is hurting this year even.
I'm going to take a look in a bit.
I know that I missed at LEAST UAB, VCU, and Penn State.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I think everyone missed alot.
No shame this year.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 13, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Colorado looked pretty sad.
Higgins had a real WTF look on his face.
We saw Colorado briefly. It was hilarious. I bet those hippie bastages are crying their eyes out right now.
Enjoy the NIT and the Pac-12, you bitches.
NORTHERN COLORADO got in and they didn't!
by ElephantHouse on Mar 13, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Should have beat Iowa State and Oklahoma, then.
Colorado’s resume is littered with ugly losses. Tough shit.
He's got company talk down.
He’s answering questions without offering any answers.
No. It's rare to face a Top 15 ranked 12 seed.
But I think it’ll be okay. They’re not as good as their ranking.
Top 25, not Top 15.
We have the athletic advantage. They have the experience advantage. Somewhat similar to Butler or Wisconsin, teams that have knocked us out (and that we might rematch).
But Utah State just isn't that good.
I see them as about a 6-10 to 7-9 level in the Big 12.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
They are very overrated. The way I see it, we’re a 5-seed playing a 13 or 14.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, that's pushing it a little. They're better than 95 percent of the one-bid league teams.
12 seems about right, which is why that’s what they get every year.
They lost to Idaho.
Georgetown beat them like rented mules.
They lost to Idaho.
I’m just saying, I like this draw a LOT.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
yea I saw a SOS of 122
So give some of us not as dialed in folk a comparison to a big 12 team that had that type of SOS…did Iowa State even have something that low? Baylor maybe? But I don’t want to beat that horse too dead, I mean we all remember what they’d say about the Calipari Memphis teams who didn’t play anyone…they cheated ;)
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Checked RealTime
And, compare USU’s SOS of 120 to…
Wichita State 107
St. Mary’s 100 (who they lost to)
Iowa State 86
Colorado 49 (I think we would all agree a Colorado USU game would favor CU)
Baylor 48
I think the St. Mary’s and WSU comparisons are good. I’d say comparable talented leagues (WCC definitely more competitive than WAC), MO valley probably pretty close (maybe a slight edge to Valley). How would you feel facing either of those on a neutral court? I’d like our chances.
After scratching the surface, I do think the comfort level is a little more bearable than the instant reaction.
Although I think the Aggies will be plenty motivated for sure. I would feel like a KSU 12 pt victory…one that’s like a 7pt game at 1 min left, but foul shots inflates final score.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I disagree a bit.
I think it will be a 12-point game, where we led by 20 or so at some point. I really think Pomeroy is going to look stupid, making USU a 61% favorite to beat us.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Cool! :)
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Did Jim even ask him about breaking their own bracketing rules?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 5:54 PM CDT reply actions
Not really worried about "a team"
worried about every team. I just dont want it to be done!!!
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Yeah clearly Seth is not a big fan of Big 12.
Not a shocker. CBS covers SEC and Big 10.
I missed it.... what did he say??
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
oh joy
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Yet picked KU to win it all.
He’s thought this through a lot, don’t worry.
Get used to it.
We’re going to be a popular upset pick simply because of the number in front of our name.
The statistics are slightly in favor of it, in fact.
He's generally sports-stupid, but he just generally has no respect for anyone not named KU in the Big 12.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah...im just messing...
I’m sure a lot of people will be picking this upset
by WillieWannabe on Mar 13, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Dickie V went off about CO not getting in
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Love the fact KU got a "B" team in their first game
Upset??
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
KU losing would be nice but...
I want to see the B12 teams all make deep runs to send a message
by ElephantHouse on Mar 13, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
i giggled a bit.
Should dominate them though.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 13, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
SO was Mizzou the last team in??
They are listed on the bottom every time they show the last 6 in…. but arent a play in game…. I am confused!!!
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
It's in reverse order.
Sixth to last, by that reasoning.
Which is still really, realy fucking funny.
God, how funny would it have been if Dayton had beat Richmond, and Mizzou had missed the tournament?!?
Now THAT would have caused some outrage!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
But autobids CAN'T play in the First Four, can they?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
so my first take on filling out a bracket...
is not looking pretty. Could be some interesting 2nd round match ups and the 3rd round could be surprising.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 6:02 PM CDT reply actions
of course this is making an assumption that I have an idea about who will actually win.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but
we are also getting some love as a dangerous team
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't stand Vitale, but he's not wrong, here.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:04 PM CDT reply actions
where's he on?
he’s going on twitter…but that’s it.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 13, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I had ESPN on my DirectTV Double Play,
and rewound it. Pretty classic rant.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
The CO rant
cuz hes on another one right now
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
What's he ranting about now?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I missed that!
What did he say?!?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
i missed most of it..
someone else might have to dvr it.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 13, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
He compared picking UAB/VCU over CU/Va Tech
to picking Roseanne Barr over Scarlett, I think.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Kinda not happy about where we are playing
I was looking forward to a road trip to Denver or Tulsa…. Oh well guess I will save my vacation days
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
To Tucson, AZ
From Manhattan about 1,200 miles and 20 hrs according to google.
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
head south to I10 then go west. Otherwise you might run into weather in NM or AZ
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
gas plus hotel room
just for the drive eachway would probably just equal dang near a plane ticket… Oh to dream of going….
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Go with a friend and drive straight through - no hotel
You can do it. I did it, alone, at age 53. No drugs or anything.
oh hail the Purple and White
Well, you have to stay somewhere
between the games/days in Tuscon, right? :-)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
still nice in the high desert
so camp out and just find a place to shower….
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Shower?
You want to talk about showers?
/Jim Mora impersonation
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
The Big Ten is overrated and the bracket shows it.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky
Can Penn State lose twice in one tournament?
If so, I’m making that pick in my bracket.
Speaking of brackets…
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem is that Temple is nothing to write home about, either.
At least Penn State has Talor Battle. That’s a name I can get behind.
anyone know a lawyer?
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't do plaintiff's work
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Mar 14, 2011 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Good show.
I was never a huge Fab 5 guy, but it was definitely a good show.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I was in high school,
and cared a TON about basketball. But I was all about K-State, and to a much lesser extent, UNC back then, so I wasn’t all sold on these cocky guys who seemed to think they owned the world.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Awesome documentary.
Loved the Fab 5, but never knew the whole story until tonight.
maybe the committee didn't think the Pac10 should have a 5th team....
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I just really wanted to watch
Higgins and Burks shred half the teams in the tourney
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Utah State
I watched the Aggies last night in their tournament final. They are a scrappy bunch and we are going to have our hands full. we better bring our A game.
If we get Good Jake, Good Curt, and Good Jamar,
we’re going to the Final Four. Yes, I said it.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
what we need
mid-range jumpers
good passes
good cuts
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Dang it
Dont get him going…. Hes been so chill tonight…. lol.
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8-D
but he’s right.
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah.
We just got a REALLY good draw. Doesn’t mean we’ll do anything with it, but I think it’s a VERY favorable draw.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
With Good Jake, Good Curt, and Good Jamar, we get all of those things.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think so,
but I’ve got this feeling…
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
what's funny
is all of our hops rest on the offense.
No one is mentioning a problem with defense … this is good.
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
hmm...I'll allow it...
but ONLY because of the Sheen reference.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 14, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I just don't get it.
I watched that game, too, and they don’t scare me in the least.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Colorado will win the NIT...I said it first.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky
They got a raw deal...there is no way to sugar coat it.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky
Yeah that Knight led T-Tech over us having beat them head-to-head was ridiculous.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky
Big 12 might have 3 of the NIT final 4 in NY
CO, Neb, Baylor
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Nubbs
Hosted by Wichita State in first round of NIT
Intriguing openor. Oughta be a good amount of Red mixed in the Koch can.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
if tickets are cheap enough
I might go cheer for the Shockers!
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Big 12 has CU, UNL and OSU in
Not seeing Baylor in the NIT bracket.
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
To miss the NIT is just… wow.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Teams missing the NIT is never wow.
A lot of times, teams will simply say “no thanks” either because they just don’t want to play, or because they only want to play if they can host, and they can’t get a guarantee to host.
I would be willing to bet Baylor was “invited”.
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Baylor to the CBI??? maybe
I cant find it yet but I wonder if they will land anywhere…
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Nope.
They aren’t going anywhere, which is more indication that they opted out.
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From what I read,
I thought that the NIT snubbed them, so they snubbed the CBI.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Possible. Stupid, but possible.
Snubbing the NIT after not getting a Big Dance Ticket is a long and storied tradition. But if you’re willing to play in the NIT, snubbing one of the other essentially meaningless tournaments is completely pointless.
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Maybe so.
Which, again, would indicate they told the NIT thanks but no thanks.
I mean, Ole Miss got invited to the NIT. I can’t imagine that happened ahead of a willing Baylor. On the other hand, Nebraska being the highest at-large seed in the Virginia Tech bracket is admittedly an argument in the other direction.
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But how could they possibly feel SNUBBED by the NCAA?
They were 7-9 in conference, and had a TERRIBLE RPI.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Welp, a Texas TV station is reporting that they did not, in fact
receive a call from the NIT.
On further review, however, I think I understand why: 14 regular-season conference champs bit it in their conference tournaments, meaning the NIT had 14 automatic bids to deal with. For comparison’s sake, the previous record was EIGHT.
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You confused yourself, my brother.
You just added the auto-bids to the auto-bids. (Technically, the NIT has 31 auto-bids, but obviously some number of them are a little too busy to participate.)
Here’s the at-large list, gapped by seed:
1
Colorado
Virginia Tech
Boston College
Alabama
2
Miami (FL)
Washington State
Cleveland State
3
Colorado State
Oklahoma State
Dayton
4
New Mexico
California
Northwestern
Wichita State
5
UTEP
Ole Miss
Nebraska
6
Harvard
This, of course, is screwy anyway, since I figure Harvard should have been a 2-seed in the NIT, but whatever.
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Dan Dakech is an idiot.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:10 PM CDT reply actions
POLL TIME---------
Do we make it to the 2nd weekend???
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Wisconsin has a good coach. What do you think?
oh hail the Purple and White
They have an amazing Point Guard.
I don’t see KSU doing it.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 13, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
They scored 33 points in the whole game vs Penn St friday....
just saying
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
They will slow us down so much it won't be funny
we will be taken out of our game; we are good when we make it into the 70s or 80s. When we are in the 50s against a good team, we lose.
oh hail the Purple and White
point taken
didnt think of it like that
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Maybe our defense holds them to 20...you never know.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky
I've seen them a few times on TV this year
and I’m totally not impressed. Not athletic, slow on defense, very spotty offensively, even with Taylor, who often forces his shots. We would cream them.
I hope you are right, ohiocats ...
I haven’t seen enough of any of these teams; that’s why I don’t partake in this grog. But at tourney time, I put a lot on past performance and reputation of coaches. If we meet Wiscy, each team only has a day to prepare …. Now, I like Frank alot, even though he often times pisses me off. But Ryan is a hell of a coach, all I’m sayin.
oh hail the Purple and White
Yeah the bounced us a few years back...no picnic there either.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky
We won't have to play Wisconsin.
They don’t get past Belmont.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Scott - come on man, you think the tv folks will let that happen
oh hail the Purple and White
Big upsets happen every year.
That will be one of them.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not? They "let" Cornell beat them last year.
Your entire premise is flawed, of course. Badgerball is virtually unwatchable. Much better to let a mid-major Cinderella with a high 3-point shooting percentage advance.
maybe ...
USU is going to be tough. Then the 2nd game is Wisconsin more than likely … and the Big 10 plays tough inside basketball … which is our weakness.
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Why does everyone think that Utah State is going to be so tough?
They lose to every good team they play.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm really not seeing what the fuss is about CU
They are not that good of a team. They had our number, so what? That doesn’t clear the fact that they played NOBODY in the non conference and had some BAD losses. 8-8 in a good conference should never get you in when play that schedule.
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non con SOS 325
just saw that on espn
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That's so bad its not even funny.
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what is there, 347 teams?
that hurts
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Exactly.
That’s just too big of a negative point to overcome an average conference season. Average teams should not make the tourney.
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But neither should BELOW average teams.
And VCU and UAB are below average teams.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh I'm definitely not advocating those teams believe me
I’d rather see VT and Alabama.
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non con SOS
VT 157
Bama 284
CO 325
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what was our non-conf sos?
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure...
But pretty high – somewhere in the top-30 I believe.
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nope
Nonconf SOS was 133 according to Pomeroy
Interesting to see the teams with the tough non-conf schedules.
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Pomeroy and RPI are different
Our pomeroy numbers are way lower than our RPI numbers beause they take style of play into account I believe.
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RPI OOC #31
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thanks.
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, im guessing that's what got them left out...
but they have 6 wins against top 50. 6!!. There are teams that got in in front of them with 0 or 1 win. 1!!! If you can’t win against your top competition, you don’t deserve, imo.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 13, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
But does that 6 get hurt since 3 are us??
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Well if they bring up top 50 RPI wins
then why leave out teams with RPIs in the 30’s?
(just bringing it up, by no means do I think UAB should be in)
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RealtimeRPI
has us at 23/8. That’s not including today’s games, but it shouldn’t move that much.
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it might have.... Duke won
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
IMPORTANT question
is someone going to setup a bracket thing like we did for bowl games?? I would but I have no clue how and to be honest I am lazy (lol)
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I'd imagine
We all did it last year.
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Sweet, Thank You
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Yuck.
USU, then the winner of Belmont or Wisconsin, and then Pitt. Good lord.
I want to trade St. Johns!
Also, how many fans do you suppose USU will send to Tucson? Will that fat guy be there?
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Would someone please explain why everyone's so scared of Utah State?!?
I mean, I’m the most pessimistic/realistic KSU fan out there, and they don’t scare me at all. I absolutely LOVE this draw!
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Does this mean postive vibes all week???
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Probably so.
Unless I decide to go on a rant about Va Tech and CU not getting in. I really like Seth Greenberg.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather take on a crappy major than a mid-major with a good record. They don't scare me, but there are other first round foes I would prefer.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
from _FAN, stat guy...
#17 in kenpom.
Very good defense, top 5 OR% vs top 5 at preventing OR%.
Glancing at the profile, we are pretty much playing Nebraska. Very similar styles.
he wasn’t saying this as a bad matchup, just an opinion.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 13, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Does George Mason scare you?
I know we dont play them but they are getting a lot of love….
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No.
They only get in because they know how to game the RPI.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Utah State is not a bad team.
They are perfectly capable of beating us, but at the same time we are perfectly capable of not letting them beat us as long as we’re focused and execute well.
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I was reading about the fat guy.
Maybe he won’t be medically cleared to go. He’s been having major health issues.
He goes by
Wild Bill…
He was at the WAC tourney games (all two of them USU had to win to take the WAC auto-bid).
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
nope
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I had them at a 9.
So I was surprised, but not shocked.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Turn to ESPN for Gottlieb picking every 1st rd game
RIGHT NOW
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
ok maybe not
Thought they said he was going to….
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
KSU’s point total in our losses:
Duke-68
Fla. – 44
UNLV – 59
Okie St. – 62
CU-66;
MU – 59
T.A&M – 56
KU – 66
CU – 56;
CU – 75
Our point total in our best wins:
Va. Tech – 73
Zaga – 81
Baylor – 69
KU -84
MU – 80;
Tx. – 75;
We need to put up points to win against good teams. Wisconsin is good enough to slow it down. Frank has not shown, to this point, that he knows how to coach and win, against good teams who can slow us down.
I hope I am wrong, but I don’t see us getting past Wisconsin. Bad draw for us.
oh hail the Purple and White
You're assuming Wisconsin will beat Belmont, a.k.a. Cornell clone.
Not a given for a team that just scored 33 points in an entire game.
I know nothing about Belmont; nada - zilch!
but the tv meter says Wisc. beats Belmont.
And I’m going to put money on this matchup in the Sweet 16: Pitt v. Mich. State. That’s easy to pick. Guaranteed tv gold. The yakheads will slobber over that one!
oh hail the Purple and White
Ratings gold, eyeballs, as in advertising dinero ($$$)
oh hail the Purple and White
Big Ten market over Belmont, yes.
oh hail the Purple and White
I wish we lived close by.
I’d put up a hundy, if you gave me 2 to 1, that Belmont beats them.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
so you never pick small schools?
lol i like it.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 13, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a strange metric to use.
You always score more points in your wins than your losses.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
This ^
was something I was attempting to quantify as you posted this… Saying a team wins more when scoring more in a given season isn’t really saying much to me. Now, comparing efficiencies would be much more salivating to someone like me.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
No, my point is
that if our opponent is a good team (and Wisc. is at least good) and they know how to slow us down, we will probably lose. We don’t win when we get slowed down. We don’t know how to win that game (except against Doc and the Nubs).
oh hail the Purple and White
Wisconsin is quite a bit like
Nebraskasketball… quite a bit indeed.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I know; except better. That's what scares me.
Look what they did to us when we had Beasley and Walker. How many points did we score in that game, after lighting it up agaisnt Mayo and USC?
oh hail the Purple and White
My BOTCetology was 33/37 on at-large pick.
I missed on:
CU
Alabama
Virginia Tech
St. Mary’s
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 7:02 PM CDT reply actions
everyone missed on that
so gold star for you sir!!
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I'm happy to say I got to know KSB
On BOTC.com first
Before his all-star Bracketology career took him all the way to the top!
Good job, I thought you just had way too much time on your hands, but helluva job K!
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Thanks, guys!
It was fun to do, but I don’t think ESPN or CBS Sportsline will be knocking on my door anytime soon! In that BOTCetology thread, I wrote about some misgivings I had about CU’s status as a supposed “lock”, but I never thought they would get passed over for VCU and UAB.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Gottleib says KSU over Utah St
and Belmont over Ws
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We just got some major
Digger-love on ESPN… He likes us to take USU and topple Wisconsin and give Pitt trouble. OH, the best laid plans of mice and men.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Digger put us in the Elite 8
And we lost to FL there. He was the only talking head on ESPN to have us there…
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From Cassidy off twitter
“Curtis Kelly told me he wanted to be near UConn in the bracket. He was legitimately disappointed when it didn’t work out.”
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Well tell him to play hard because he may see them towards the end.
CK stay motivated.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky
As in the only way possible
is in the NC title game. I’d be OK with that coming about.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Ok, KSB...
here is why Utah State is scary to me (for a 12-seed…)
1. GREAT defensive rebounding team.
2. SOLID free throw shooting team.
3. DEFEND the 3-point shot very well.
These are based on a quick perusing of kenpom ratings and my 3 or 4 viewings of USU games this year…
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
These numbers
are related to my post above…
1. 2nd in nation against offensive reboudning by kenpom
2. 48th in FTA/FGA by kenpom & 50th in FT%
3. 11th in country in 3P% allowed.
We better be sure to bring good-CK and good-JamSam to the game or we will be in trouble as it seems the stats say USU should be able to shut down our perimeter shooters. But then again, once the tip-off happens all these numbers and analysis frequently mean exactly squat. :-P
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
As well they should be
as fans of a Top 20 team.
I was immediately convinced of this by the faces of their players when selected. I truly believe the shock on their faces was due to the 12-seed not KSU being their opponent…
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
They're only a Top 20 team because they racked up 30+ wins against a bunch of nobodies.
One win over a RPI Top 50 team tells me that. They’re an 8-8 team in the Big 12 at best, and that gets you a 12 seed.
Having watched them play,
I think they would fit quite nicely in the Nebraska/OSU/TTU/OU jumble.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
And the reasons Wisconsin does not scare me (for a 4-seed)
1. DEFENSE does not force turnovers. (322nd turnover PERCENTAGE by kenpom)
2. DON’T get to the line very often – I’m sure they’ll shoot more than their average vs us, but likely less than the average we give per game. (336th in FT’s attempted per FG attempt by kenpom)
3. DON’T defend the 3-point shot very well (hello Gruber, Rod, and Jake!!). (315th 3-point % allowed by kenpom)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Do you mean Rodney, Jake, and Sprads?
Then again, if we have to divide Rodney’s 3-pointers into two categories, we should be fine.
Hahaha...
yes, I do mean Rod, Jake, and Sprads… I wouldn’t mind having a clone of Rod on the team. But I like some Spradling too.
WE NEED AN EDIT BUTTON!
(hey, all caps worked for TB, right?… or was it Pan.)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
No. 3 is why Belmont will win.
IIRC, Belmont is one of the best 3-point shooting teams in the country.
Yes, they are
but 3-point shooting is the least consistent way you can count on to win games in March, in my opinion. One bad night shooting the longest shots in the game and you’re toast.
However, when you rely on 3’s and the opponent has shown difficulty defending the 3-ball – well now you’re in business. See also – Penn State went 2-0 vs Wisconsin this year, and if the Big 10 tourney was any indication PSU is quite adept at jacking up 3 point shots…
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Thoughts on the day
1. Still great to see HCFM and the ’Cats are a bit of a media darling. Great exposure for the program, as well as the University as a whole. I have to think two years in a row of such great basketball exposure in the Tournament (like the CBS confidential thing last year) helps get our brand out to the East Coast (namely DC & north) more than football does.
2. In our bracket, I think having the 6th seed woulda been better than the 5th, but still nice to see the selection committee showing us some love. Proof it pays to schedule tought.
3. How many years now has UNLV been paired up to play KU now after the 1/16 8/9 games? I feel like this is the 3rd time now.
4. Feel bad for CU. Not only do they have the 3 wins against us, but they do have a win over Texas. But I see some of the comments above reasons why. Would like to know if USC has 4 top 50 wins. Either way, how do they not make the top 68? I did see their RPI was still like 69 or 70 though…Also some of their bad losses early in the season were true road games (like @ SanFran), which is tough for any first year coach. Either way Tad probably wishes he could outfit his Buffs in the No. Colorado uniforms. Oh well, happy trails Buffs! Glad to know they don’t stand in the way of our Nat’l title hopes.
5. Lastly, out of all 12 seeds I don’t like the feel of Utah State. Although I haven’t watched them play, I have paid close attention to their team through the year about who they beat. On the surface they seem dangerous. Wouldn’t surprise me to get bounced in the opening round, esp since I thought they’re in So. Utah (could be wrong), so not too far to go to AZ, plus they seem to have a passionate fan base anyway.
6. And finally, regardless I’m not using any reason this year as to where I think K-state will go. Honestly I think getting to the Sweet 16 will be a huge accomplishment, but I want Jake to get at least 1 TROPHY for his career, so I’m sticking them in the final four.
All in all, a great day to be a Wildcat. What would you have thought at the end of January about someone saying we’d be a 5 seed?
"Nor yet in Dell?"
USU is in Logan, UT
which is way way way way WAY Northern Utah, geographically…
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
well good.
I was WAY off!
After reading through some of the comments, I too now find comfort in knowing KSB’s not worried in USU, as he said it himself:
He’s one of the biggest pesimists on the board.
Which is exaclty what I was thinking before I saw him write it himself! But I don’t expect to see us win it big, that’s for sure.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Yeah.
The school in southern Utah is… Southern Utah (formerly “State”).
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
Oh and...
7. As down as College Basketball was this year, think about the train wreck of a bracket that would of been if they decided to go to the 96-team format. Barf! I think this year probably makes a lot of people happy it ended up the way it did.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I say why not
expand the field to 345 teams! ;-)
/somewhat-slightly-serious joke… a la almost ‘pulling a Bo’
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I hate to say it,
but it will be KU vs Tarheels in championship game. KU wins. RATINGS GOLD!
Final four teams will be: Tarheels; UConn., KU and Pitt. And I will bet no money, at any odds, on these predictions.
oh hail the Purple and White
How does Butler fit into your big markets theory?
They made it to the NC and almost knocked off Duke. I guess Indianapolis is a big market and made for a great story but I doubt they were really a giant ratings monster.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Mar 14, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Hoosiers Gym - It was ratings gold - an outlier - got keep the
Cinderalla dream alive every now and then. And my theory is just a crackpot theory; the wild ravings of a boozed and drug addled brain. Useless, of course, especially compared to the fine intellect of the committee which left CU out of the Big Dance.
oh hail the Purple and White
That does fit in, forgot about the Hoosiers reference.
I would take your brain over the committee’s any day. May not be a better bracket (because seriously, CO aside, how can you not miss on a few teams when you are selecting 68?) but I’m sure it would be more interesting.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Mar 14, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Supposedly Matt Figger has the scout on USU
so Twitter tells me
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Pardon my scouting-ability-in-2011
ignorance… but what does knowing Matt Figger is doing the scouting tell us? (Besides it telling us Underwood and Hill don’t have the USU scout… does it say anything beyond “Mat Figger is doing the scouting on USU”?)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
He's a better scout than Dalonte, for what that's worth.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah! ok, this --^
is what I was hoping for… so it means we can expect the scouting to be above what we have had in some of our poorer outings this season. Though, I certainly do not know much about what that means in terms of likely results.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
To me it means nothing
but to someone who follows who has the scout on each game they might be happy or sad.
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
What a great day
Colorado got screwed and I live in Phoenix!
by williewildcrack on Mar 13, 2011 8:17 PM CDT reply actions
Wow - Baylor didn't even get into the NIT
Now that’s a disappointing season right there.
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from twitter
Frank Martin: “I think our league continues to get slighted nationally, and it’s unfair. Our league doesn’t take a backseat to anybody. I’m disappointed our league didn’t get six in.”
I’m afraid Frank will be getting tired of the Big 12 and would rather bounce somewhere else. :-(
I don't know how you possibly read it that way.
I read it as pissed off at the powers-that-be, and nothing more.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep...
Frank showing some emotion about his league (not a league he would be leaving soon) getting slighted. He uses “our” three times, as opposed to ‘this’ league.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Gene Smith is an idiot, and the guy who interviewed him for ESPN is a soft-balling fool.
Didn’t even call him out on his BS about Colorado’s entire resume just not matching up to UAB and VCU.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 9:11 PM CDT reply actions
Not sure who it was.
It wasn’t Jay Bilas or Dickie V, that’s for sure.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Just shows how gutless the brass at ESPN are,
as they didn’t dare offend anyone representing the cash cow.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
from Bilas's twitter
JayBilas Jay Bilas
Why does the NCAA love arguments in football, but get their panties in a bunch over criticism over the selection process? Bizarre.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 13, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope he stays on their asses about this.
I wouldn’t care nearly so much about CU and Va Tech’s snubs if crappy teams like VCU and UAB weren’t in.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
K-State to play Utah State at 8:57 p.m. CT Thursday on TruTV.
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Sign up for DirectTV before Thursday.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Not a bad group
“Kevin Harlan/Reggie Miller/Dan Bonner are TV announcers for Kstate first round game”
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Sweet, maybe we'll win in regulation this time.
Let someone else have Gus for a while. My heart can’t take that crap.
But still, Gus's exclamation, "He's in SHAPE!" will forever be a favorite Cat Memory for me!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Utah State's schedule
Has anyone considered their strong sabermetric numbers are a result of playing (pretty much) exclusively cupcakes
I’m ecstatic with the draw, can’t wait for the game on Thursday!
Here is the Utah State schedule
Link. Nothing really jumps off the page to me either way besides they won games they were suppose to win minus one
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
How they can POSSIBLY be pissed about a 12-seed is just beyond me.
We need to beat those cocky mofos by about 30.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
This would make me very happy
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Close loss at BYU even if early in the year is impressive.
And winning by 10 @ St. Mary’s is a good win.
But overall, I like the matchup. They were not particularly impressive against Boise St who is hardly a powerhouse.
Early line has KSU 2 point favorite
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
If it stays there, I may well put money on this game.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Please strongly consider
NOT doing this. Personally, I did this once and will forever caution against it and never do it again myself.
However, you are free to make your own choice. Just consider my advice to never bet on your own sport’s team. That is all.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
+1000 - and it's bad karma; bad use of your money
it’s like thinking with your Willard.
oh hail the Purple and White
I told everyone that we'd get a better seed than everyone thought we would.
God, I hate being right all of the time.
Bring on the Cats
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by Panjandrum on Mar 13, 2011 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
That's actually the first thing I thought when I heard we were a 5
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
It's the weight of huge expectations that really makes it hard, you know?
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
tip time
is that tip time official.
my wonderful job has a staff meeting that night…so im kinda…well ticked if i miss tip
by Joshua Wade Windholz on Mar 13, 2011 9:36 PM CDT reply actions
Its the time I got off twitter from a KSU writer
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
One thing I beat Lunardi on was the 1-seeds.
I just KNEW he was drunk on Big East Wine to put ND above Duke there.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 9:39 PM CDT reply actions
Is being drunk on Duke Wine any better?
At least Notre Dame played in a good conference. Neither won a regular-season championship, so that’s a wash.
Duke is better than ND. And they won their conference tournament in dominating fashion.
And Duke is 30-4. And they’re better than ND. Did I mention that?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
They're 30-4 because the ACC is terrible.
They won their conference tourney in dominating fashion because the ACC is terrible.
Yes, they’re better than Notre Dame, but they shouldn’t be a 1 seed.
Who should?
San Diego State? And the ACC isn’t “terrible.” It’s just not a GREAT conference this year. They also played a pretty decent non-con. And Notre Dame is 26-6. I forgot that part in my post. But, seriously, who do you put on the 1-line ahead of them? If the ACC is “terrible” in your mind, what is the MWC?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm gonna go there:
Less terrible than the ACC, at least this year.
More seriously, I’d say, they were about even. Each league had two great teams up top, followed by one pretty good team. The ACC, a significantly larger conference, had three good teams behind that; the MWC had two. Both conferences had three really bad teams. That leaves the absolute mediocrities, which cancel one another out.
It was not a year the ACC will point to when regaling you with tales of their storied history, let’s just put it that way.
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
So are you saying that an SDSU team (which I think is OVERseeded at a 2) should have been ahead of Duke?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I am.
Look, SDSU lost two games all year, both to BYU. One problem I have with a LOT of people come this time of year is the complete failure to grasp that only losing 2 or 3 games over the course of a season is serious business, because if you’re not an elite team you’re going to lose more than that just as a result of bad bounces, bad calls, off nights, whatever. If Ohio State played Alcorn State 30 times this year, I’d bet my entire net worth on Alcorn knocking them off once or twice. It does not matter who you play. I don’t care what crappy conference you play in, I don’t care what sort of shitty non-conference slate you scheduled. You win 30 games, you’re damned good; you win 30 games in any kind of decent conference and actually have a little something on your resume, you’re on the board for a 1-seed.
It’s funny. Approximately one year ago, I went off on a rant regarding this topic as it pertained to at-large berths because nobody was even looking at Murray State on the bubble. All they did after making that discussion academic was to knock off Vanderbilt and then lose to the eventual national runners-up by a single basket. There’s a point at which a team has won so many games that questions regarding their SOS become moot, and SDSU is well beyond that point.
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Great points, Jon
and Utah St. has proven they know how to win a conf. title and a post season tourney title. 3 losses all year. Should be interesting.
oh hail the Purple and White
Duke lost 4 games against a much much MUCH tougher schedule.
Seeding SDSU ahead of them makes no sense at all. If you put a team like SDSU in a league like the Big 12 or Big East, they would be 9-7/10-6/11-5, depending on the bounces they got or didn’t get over the course of a grinding conference season. I know you like these small schools, but it’s a MUCH different animal when you’ve got to be up for every single game or you’ll get upset by Iowa State/Oklahoma State/Oklahomat/et al, and when you have teams as abjectly awful as the bottom half of the MWC. This is not even a close call.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, jeez
the grinding conference schedule argument. Man, I don’t want us to get into another fight, but… you sound like a Big East basketball fan, or an SEC football fan.
And I know damn well it annoys you when they start expressing their particular brand of delusion.
It does not matter who you play; you have to be up for every game because anyone can upset you. Duke didn’t have any BAD losses, really, but if you want a 1-seed, maybe losing to St. John’s and Virginia Tech isn’t optimal. Really, once you get past Ohio State and Kansas, everyone else has bad losses… except for one team. And that one team is the Aztecs.
By the way, it’s not that I “like” the small schools, as a matter of inherent leaning. (Although I do have to be a little non-plussed at us talking about a school with almost 30,000 undergrads as a “small school”.) It’s that I dislike the arrogant attitude that immediately consigns any school outside the Big Six to being disregarded. Kennesaw State could go 30-1 including a couple of signature wins in alleged guarantee games and people would still scoff at them getting a 5-seed because, well, “they’re Kennesaw State and the Atlantic Sun is a joke”. (And don’t even pretend it wouldn’t happen.) It’s wrong, it’s juvenile, and it’s depressing.
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I have one question that I'd like for which I'd like to hear your answer:
Does SDSU goes 32-2 against the following schedule:
@KU
KU
@Mizzou
Mizzou
@KSU
KSU
@CU
CU
@ISU
ISU
@Texas
@Texas A&M
@Okla. State
Baylor
TTU
Oklahoma
I count at LEAST 6 losses, and more likely 7.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I only see three gauranteed losses.
Both KUs and at least one of @KSU, @Mizzou, @A&M or @UT.
They may not go 32-2, but they might go 30-4, still impressive.
Especially if they played KSU in January and Texas at the end of February.
Would they actually get there? I have no idea, and neither can you, this is just speculation. The fact is, though, there is only one team in this conference that played lights-out the whole season, and that was KU. They still lost two games. On any given day, anyone could beat pretty much every team in this league. Not as often as the MWC, but all of our teams are eminently beatable.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Mar 14, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
First, no one wins @Mizzou except for KU. No one but CU won @KSU. Those are two more guaranteed losses, in addition to the two KU games. Personally, I think they’d lose both games at A&M and UT, giving them 6 losses, and would PROBABLY drop a road game somewhere else. We don’t have any Wyomings in our conference.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
You're diverting the argument
and you’re engaging in rampant speculation to which nobody knows the answer. (If we did, there would never be any controversy; the answer would be apparent.)
I will be a good sport and answer your question, however. San Diego State would go somewhere between 7-9 and 14-2 in the Big 12.
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Well, thanks for clearing that up.
As for “engaging in rampant speculation”, I believe that’s what we’re ALL doing. Perhaps once SDSU wins A GAME in the NCAA tournament, there would be a bit of a stronger argument that they wouldn’t be a middle-of-the-pack team in most power conferences.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll direct you to the comment which is immediately below this one
as I type, and remind you that the discussion had nothing to do with how SDSU would fare in the Big 12 (a distinctly better conference than the ACC this year), but rather with SDSU vs. Duke.
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I think Duke could have gone 12-4 to 13-3 in the Big 12.
SDSU could not have done the same.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
That's an opinion
based on gut feeling, not supportable evidence, which suggests SDSU is a better team than Duke because they lost half as many games despite playing a (ever so slightly) tougher schedule.
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It's an opinion based upon watching the freaking games.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Ain't none of us watched enough SDSU games
to form any opinion from just watching them, and you know it.
Look, this started with “Duke played a much much MUCH tougher schedule”. They did not; if Duke played more tough teams, then for the SOS to be so nearly identical it also means they played more creampuffs and/or worse teams than SDSU to make up for it. If Duke played fewer pansies, then it means SDSU played more quality teams. There’s no getting around it; one of the two must be correct. That’s the benefit of a zero-sum measurement, which SOS is.
If you look at the profiles of the top teams in the bracket, you’ll notice something: there are four teams which managed to lose four games or fewer. One of those four (Kansas) lost two games while facing the 9th-toughest schedule in the country. The other four teams, amazingly, are 21-22-23-24 in SOS — one clean cluster.
An argument that SDSU is overseeded as a TWO must inherently also assert that Ohio State (also two losses, also a similar SOS to SDSU) is over-seeded. That’s ludicrous, because — and here’s the kicker to all of this — below those first five teams is the clear cutoff line.
The REAL argument shouldn’t even be “did SDSU deserve a 1-seed over Duke”. The REAL argument should be “why the HELL is Pittsburgh a 1-seed?!?”
Now, I’m just making my case for why I think SDSU is better than Duke; reasonable minds can differ on that topic, I will admit. (Just, you know, not by claiming Duke had a much much MUCH tougher schedule.) Suggesting SDSU is over-seeded at a TWO, however, borders on the ridiculous. Sorry, it just does.
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(I should note
there are actually seven teams that lost four or fewer games, but USU and Belmont both have truly putrid SOS, so I didn’t include them. That said, they’re also both grossly under-seeded.)
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I've actually watched a few SDSU games.
Both BYU games, one against (I believe) New Mexico, and one against Wyoming(? it was a bad team that they killed). I’ve seen Duke play in two of the three UNC games (1 win, 1 loss), in the VT game (loss), and in a couple of wins against (again, I think) NC State and Maryland. I’ve watched quite a bit of basketball in my 28 or 29 years as a sentient sports watcher, and Duke is stronger than SDSU. I think SDSU is probably the most vulnerable 2-seed, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see them go down in the round of 32 at all.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
By "both BYU games", I mean both regular season games.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, by the way:
Duke’s SOS: .5768, rank 24
SDSU’s SOS: .5771, rank 22
I am unsure how two numbers which are, in terms of statistical significance, pretty much exactly the same result in one of the two teams being deemed as playing a “much much MUCH tougher schedule”.
SDSU, if anything, played a very very VERY SLIGHTLY tougher schedule than did Duke. And performed better. QED.
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The Major-midmajor difference is less defined in basketball
than in football. Yes, they play in a weaker conference, but since a basketball team is only five starters you have more of the best athletes to spread around.
As such, getting 30 wins (the equivalent of not losing a single game in football) is more impressive than it would be in football for a mid-major.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Mar 14, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking Marquette should not have gotten in over CU or V-Tech...but I could be persuaded otherwise.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky
I don't have a problem with Marquette.
I have a MAJOR problem with UAB and VCU, though. Colorado would beat both of those teams by 20 points.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
does anyone create a bracket group or pool on one of the sports websites?
CBS or ESPN? I don’t remember.
Have less than 48 hours…
screw this, I should be sleeping anyway.
One of us will do it soon.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
BC usually does
the night after Selection Sunday…
Should be up sometime soon on the main page.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I asked the same question up above somewhere
and someone said they are doing it…. its somewhere up above
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
BracketCat said he would have a link up tonight
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
don't forget the decoy link so SeanT doesn't win again.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sad for Colorado.
While I agree that they got seriously hosed, they’re not even a member of our conference anymore, so no sadness here.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 10:18 PM CDT reply actions
I have more sympathy for Baylor not making it ...
than for CU not making it … as you can tell I’m really broken up.
Glad OSU made it to the NIT and hope they do well.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 13, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
See if this works.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
You should go back and read...
…some of their posts about how great their recruiting classes were and how much they were going to dominate for the foreseeable future. It’s really, really cute (to quote Pan).
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Mar 14, 2011 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions
They still think that though!
I liked their comment about maybe hiring an assistant who knows something about offense.
I’ll try to follow that site closer. Love good conspiracy theories.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 14, 2011 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions
That site requires a decoder ring and a tin foil hat.
Bring on the Cats
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by Panjandrum on Mar 14, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Getting all this off twitter from Fritchen
Utah State senior forward Tai Wesley: “I like the opponent that we are playing. I think that we have a chance to beat them.”
Utah State senior forward Tai Wesley: “I think that the seed is a slap in the face.”
Utah State senior forward Tai Wesley: “We are looking to play our style of basketball, and run our sets and get a win.”
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I think Tai Wesley is going to be one VERY disappointed young man.
To the tune of 15-20 points disappointed.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 13, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
New Fan Shot up
Ken Pom #s for how far you will go
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Already sick of all this 11 from the Big East junk
Cant wait for them to all fail before the final four!!
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I agree
I only have 5 of the 11 winning their first round (round of 64) game. I have 2 in the Sweet 16, 1 in the Elite 8, and none in the final four. If I’m right, that would give them a record of 9-11, I believe, which would make me very VERY happy!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
The only bad part about a potential BE flameout,
is the probability of the idiot talking heads falling over themselves to cry about how they just beat each other up so much that they just didn’t have a fighting chance in the tournament.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
inevitable for sure.
This is why I couldn’t fall asleep. Tried for about an hour, but too much bball on the mind.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I just dosed myself with Ny-Quil.
I absolutely HAVE to sleep some tonight, since I have a big paper to finish up by tomorrow at Midnight.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 14, 2011 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
But that is better than the other alternative
… the BE does well in the Tournament and the talking head blabber on and on and on about how good they must be to survive the conference season, survive (only 1 team played 5 games, nobody else more than 3?) the conference tournament, and then perform well in the Big Dance. All while never mentioning these men are in the prime or early prime of their body’s physical prowess and have had days to rest between all of this combined with the adrenaline rush that comes during a game with so much on the line as March certainly demands!
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