BIG 12 TOURNAMENT OUTLOOK: 03.10.11 (Open Game Thread)
by BracketCat on Mar 10, 2011 9:00 AM CST
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Well, yesterday's game thread seemed to be a smashing success in the sense that it let me entertain myself with the twisted rambling of all you heathens when I was bored during tournament timeouts, so let's do it again.
Rather than double up, let's just use this as the open game thread for K-State, too, with the understanding that someone (not me) might have to post a second-half thread if things get too hectic.
Previews and discussion after the jump.
11:30 a.m. (ESPN2): No. 1 Kansas vs. No. 9 Oklahoma State
Well, I didn't even have the Pokes going this far, so game effort, I guess. I don't really expect them to offer the Jayhawks any opposition, especially in what will be a hostile arena.
2 p.m. (Big 12 Network): No. 4 Kansas State vs. No. 5 Colorado
We better do to the Buffaloes what we did to Oklahoma State last year. I'm talking about some righteous, Jamar Samuels-fueled payback.
6 p.m. (Big 12 Network): No. 2 Texas vs. No. 10 Oklahoma
As with OSU, kudos to Oklahoma for making it this far. Jeff Capel might save his job after all. But Texas is an entirely different animal from Baylor. Although I think the Sooners might gave the Longhorns a game for a while, don't expect an OU win under any circumstances.
8:30 p.m. (ESPN2): No. 3 Texas A&M vs. No. 6 Missouri
I don't know what to make of this game. Entering the tournament, I thought Mizzou would take care of Texas Tech and Texas A&M fairly easily. aTm hasn't impressed me in more than a month.
But that was before I saw Mizzou sleepwalk its way to a win last night. Make no mistake, the Tigers were lucky to get a victory after appearing hell-bent on coughing it up. I think tonight's contest is anyone's to take and probably will come down to the last possession.
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if anyone is looking for some reading material
check out our good buddies(or not) from theebears.com. They chime in on the Perry Jones issue.
well...
I can agree with the concept of what they wrote, the logic in the article was not supported by facts. It was basically a vent on how Baylor is treated differently than other schools.
I’d argue that K-State was treated in the same manner as Baylor, while KU had more warning in their case. But why were these schools treated differently than OSU and Auburn? Similar circumstances but different enforcement. And then there is USC, shouldn’t they have the same penalties as the other football schools?
Selective enforcement and arbitrary penalties is what I’m seeing.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that was incoherent at best
They clearly aren’t looking at the situation objectively, especially since they grouped KSU in with schools getting ‘special’ treatment. Don’t know how our treatment was any different than theirs.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Mar 10, 2011 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
My favorite part:
“By all accounts, student-athletes at Baylor University are much less likely to be arrested, much more likely to graduate and make positive contributions to society.”
LaceDarius Dunn finds this hilarious.
by Texas Wahoo on Mar 10, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's an embarrassing post.
So Baylor should get an automatic bid since Jones was suspended? I really don’t understand his complaint about KState. Curt and Jake were suspended immediately. They didn’t get special treatment at all. And unless Baylor was going to win three more games (unlikely) the punishment is actually less than Jake’s (and particularly since they’ve had this info for a little while now). The comparison should be to Newton and the OSU guys.
Also, can’t tell if it’s a joke or not, but if not then it’s pretty hilarious he invoked Ken Starr as someone who should stand up for Baylor equality. Must not read the news much.
That article reeks of insecurity and lack of knowledge
with a hint of Nebraska “conspiracy theory” snydrome. The comparison to K-State is so weak it’s alarming on how much the author pays attention. You can make an argument for the Ohio State and Auburn cases, but the K-State one? It’s the exact same thing you schmuck. It just so happens our incident occured earlier than yours.
Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.
Unfortunately, I think your on to something...
With Nebraska now removed from our collective conscious, their role as “holier than thou” whiner and perpetual jerk must be replaced…and Baylor appears to be entering the breach.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Mar 10, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
If any of you remember the Q&A they had with TB for the football game earlier this year...
it makes alotta sense. They’re a little bit off their rocker.And i find their squabble with A&M hilarious.
I think they’re just pissed about the timing of the suspension. Probably thinking whoever had the dirt on this…held off till the end of the season.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Isn't that the one,
where they claimed it was “clear” that Drew deserved Coach of the Year over Frank? They’re not the sharpest tools in the shed, that’s for sure.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
I believe so
And I think they were also trying to be funny in their posts too – which came off a little over the line. This new article is also poorly written, but didn’t try to be funny. It’s just a FAIL.
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I liked TB's last question for them tho...
apparently they didn’t appreciate it, unfortunately.
http://www.bringonthecats.com/2010/10/22/1768584/five-questions-with-thee-bears
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
If you can't make fun of yourself
you’re not any fun to hang out with.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Mar 10, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
They're the stupid cousin of Texas schools
Damned governor making UT, A&M, and TT bring them along to the Big 12.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
I've got to pick the dog up from the Vet during the second half.
I feel your pain.
I will be watching KU’s first half during “a longer lunch break” though…
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With all the streaming from ESPN3 i've been doing the past 2 days...
i hope my boss doesn’t run any bandwidth usage reports this week.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
A zoning change meeting for my neighbors
I hate being a nice guy.
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by mac attack ict on Mar 10, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
I keep reading "it's really hard to beat a talented team 3 times"
I can’t come up with anything but the women’s win over ISU yesterday that supports that argument. KU was 3-0 against KSU last year (and many times before that), and UT hasn’t had any trouble with their south foes, so I think that statement is just another sports cliche.
Do you guys know of any cases where it’s actually true that a team that lost twice in the regular season wins in the post season?
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
One very famous one is that KSU and OU had both beaten KU twice in 1988,
and then lost to them in the NCAA tournament.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry, wrong Scott
In 1988, Cats- Hawks had split regular season games. We beat KU in the post season tourney, thus going 2-1 for the season, to THAT point. We lost the FOURTH frickin time we played them at the elite 8 level. To this day I say that in 1988, we were a slightly better team than KU, who won the Nat/Title.
oh hail the Purple and White
I just meant that we'd beaten them twice before losing to them.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
My mistake - alot of people forget we
played them 4 times that year!
oh hail the Purple and White
Yeah, I try to block the Bramlage game out of my mind.
I was only in 8th grade, but I seem to remember that we throttled them in the tournament, beat them soundly in Lawrence, and lost by 1 or 2 in Bramlage. Is my memory of that correct?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
We beat them handily in the tourney.
Richmond went off for 35 in Lawrence, and I think we just squeeked by in Allen, and I think Ahearn was a nailbiter too. I was living in S.C. at the time, so I can’t remember it as well as some years. I came back for one last game in Ahearn (it was the OU game, Sooners were ranked #1 or #2, and we beat them). The last game in Ahearn was against MU. Breaks my heart, but I couldn’t make that game. I flew back to Kansas for watch parties the weekend of the sweet 16 win over Purdue and the loss to KU in Detroit.
oh hail the Purple and White
I had completely forgotten that we were still in Ahearn that year.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
A guy on another message board apparently researched it...
I did this earlier, I came up with 42-23 record that the team wins the 3rd game as well, based on Big 12 Tournament History:
he then listed all the results…
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
65% winning game 3 as well doesn't strike me as "tough to do"
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
That's skewed by the fact that MOST teams who win the first two are head and shoulders better.
The whole point of the meme, though, is that it’s hard for a team to beat another team with whom it’s fairly evenly matched 3 straight times.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
It's easy to forget all the times ...
That two talented teams split the first two meetings before having a bumper match.
When looking at it through the context of all occasions where two talented teams have met 3 times in a season and one team swept all three … it’s pretty tough to do.
One thing I know … it’s going to be a sonofabitch for CU to do that today.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 10, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
We all hope so
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by mac attack ict on Mar 10, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
There are big factors on KSU's side leading into this game vs the previous two ...
Game 1: Old, frontcourt-dominated, static, putrid “offense”. No Curtis Kelly.
Game 2: Road game. Still working into the new offense. Lost by 0.1 seconds anyway.
Game 3: “Neutral” court. Team is completely comfortable with new offense. Full roster.
I think if we can avoid a heinous shooting performance, we’ll be fine.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 10, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Personally, I think more than any other reason
(to me) this cliche exists because of simple odds/probabilites…
Typically, most sporting events are 50/50 (meaning simply two sides with only two outcomes – Team A wins or Team B wins… Don’t think soccer on this one.) outcomes. However, history has proven that it is possible to judge which team is more likely to win – hence odds on games. Also, history has proven that odds are not fact and not always right – hence gambling on games/odds. However, even the most overmatched foe in the same conference with another team usually is given at least a 20% (and FREQUENTLY higher than that) of winning the game. If you take even the most overmatched teams this year – arguably KU v. ISU – and use probability to determine the likelihood of a KU-W, KU-W, KU-W outcome it yields the following:
Presuming atKU = 90% KU win prob, atISU = 70% KU win prob, and neutral = 80% KU win prob (as an example)…
KU Sweep = 50.4% likely and ISU Sweep = 0.6% likely (if all 3 games are still undecided)…
Taking the KSU/CU series this season yields (with win% from Kenpom pre-game occurring…):
Game 1: 76% KSU-W… CU wins.
Game 2: 51% KSU-W… CU wins.
Game 3: 67% KSU-W… TBD.
“Pre-season” probability of CU-CU-CU = 7.8% with those game ‘odds’.
To keep the post short-ish, I’ll leave it at that. However, I can go on quite a spiel about why the “hard to beat a team 3-times in a season” is the odds-on favorite to almost always be true due to simple odds/probabilities and considering real-life situations. :-)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
That is EXACTLY what I was thinking.
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by mac attack ict on Mar 10, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
What did he do/say/write now?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
just go to his twitter page...
it’s littered with a bunch of stuff. I get he’s a KU fan…But i can’t take him seriously at all because of it.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
There are more reasons than that not to take him seriously ...
His ignorance is offensive. I mean, it actually offends me that he could make a living in that occupation.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 10, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
the phog gets its panties all bunched up about Keitzman being a KSU guy...
but he’s tame compared to Fescoe. KK at least isn’t so “out there” with it.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
I'm being totally honest here ...
I think the “Keitzman is a homer for KSU” stuff is lunacy.
I know he’s a KSU alumn/fan. But, if there is one thing you can count on … when a KSU football or basketball team isn’t on its game or a player/coach/administrator does something stupid, KK is all over it. All over it.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 10, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone who doesn't well with emotion upon entrance into Allen Auditorium,
and genuflect in front of a photograph of Fogg Allen every night MUST be a KSU partisan.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
The funny thing is ...
Keitzman basically does that on his radio show every basketball season. It’s still not good enough.
I have other criticisms of KK (I think his KSU cynicism sometimes borders on Dave Stewart territory), but homerism is about the farthest from them.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 10, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
here's his latest one...
bobfescoe Bob Fescoe
If u think the twins r dirty then u must think the same abt pilgrim #kubball
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
I think he forgets that he's SUPPOSED to be at least somewhat professional.
But his prickishness on Twitter today seems like it’s about par for the course, no?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Asshat
Hes an asshat. Which is what he called KSU and Mizzou fans after T Robs moms death. Yes theres some more text to the asshat comment but I turned it off for good as soon as he said it
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Is OSU frisky today, or are the phoggies asleep? (I can't see)
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 10, 2011 12:10 PM CST reply actions
Seems KU is a lil sleepy on D. OK St. is not this good on Offense.
I think they’ll still pull it out in the 2nd half.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
I would not be sad at all to see OSU beat these guys.
Screw Round 3—and the Hawks!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 12:19 PM CST reply actions
I agree, round 3 would be nice... as long as we won
I’d rather take my chances with revenge against OSU.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Mar 10, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
If the bracket falls right
we have the chance to exact revenge on all 3 yet-un-avenged conference losses this year.
(Thanks to the co-worker pointing this out, for pointing this out)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I like it!
Go Aggies!
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Mar 10, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
I think it will be hard for OSU
to maintain this scoring pace, and their D isn’t stout enough to lock down the Hawks…not saying it wouldn’t be great however.
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by mac attack ict on Mar 10, 2011 12:21 PM CST reply actions
Case in point
- 57% from the floor
- 50% from three
- 92% from the line
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by mac attack ict on Mar 10, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
When you let Keaton Page go for 12 in a half ...
You are playing shitty D. It’s that simple.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 10, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
It would help if OSU wouldn't get called for 2 tech. in the first half.
Both were stupid taunting T’s. Have to be smarter than that.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Just have the game cast on the computer - who got the T's?
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by mac attack ict on Mar 10, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Ughmm....
Olukemi – Dunked on Taylor then got in his face about it.
Markel Brown- blocked the shit outta a Morris bro…then yelled in his face before running up the court.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks - local stations have Georgia vs. Auburn...makes no sense to me.
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by mac attack ict on Mar 10, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
If anything...this should be a wake up call to Frank and the guys...
Come out flat…and a team will take advantage.
I really hope that won't be a problem against a team that's already beaten us twice.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Man, OSU and KU players really don't seem to like each other
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Mar 10, 2011 12:46 PM CST reply actions
A Morris traveled or something ( I can't remember what his turnover was)
and an OSU player (didn’t check his name and don’t recognize them by sight) tried to take the ball from him, but the Morris was having none of that and they got in each others faces for brief moment before they both backed down to avoid a foul.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Mar 10, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Probably Pilgrim
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Mar 10, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
probably right,
guessing from Fescoe’s tweet.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
As the Anti-Scott Drew, I present you with Mike Rice, Rutgers head basketball coach.
He had the following things to say about the horrid officiating that cost his team a chance at the win over St. John’s:
You can’t control what happens to you all the time, you just can’t. Whether it’s a bad call, our zone defense, whatever, it’s not how you respond.In the Big East, (officials Tim) Higgins, (Jim) Burr, (Earl) Walton are all really good, veteran guys and you have to trust they made the right judgment decision and if they didn’t it’s part of the game. We could have done stuff like not shooting 35 percent in the first half of the game."
I like my job. I’m a first-year coach. I’m certainly not going to question some of the best referees in the country, their judgment or their decisions. So you just be humble and understand where you are, your place in the Big East. I’m sure some of the more veteran coaches in Big East would have made maybe a bigger stink, but that’s not the way I feel on that right now.
I would have loved to have the 1.7 seconds back, I’m not going to lie, but (officials) make mistakes. They make mistakes and you’ve just got to move forward. I’ve gotten calls from all three referees. I’ve had them numerous times and they’re really good referees and they’re really good people. It’s just one of those things where I wish for my seniors, who might not even play in the pros or go overseas, guys who are just going to get jobs, I wish that didn’t have to be their lasting memory of their college career. But, like I said, it is what it is and you move forward.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 12:46 PM CST reply actions
Very classy
In fact, surprisingly classy given the circumstances.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Mar 10, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, it was.
And I have a new non-KSU rooting interest. I hope that guy succeeds in the BE.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
The way he's recruiting, I don't see how he won't.
Beat us out for Kadeem Jack and Jerome Seagears. Has a much fresher DC Assault connection. Next year’s recruiting class ranked second only to Lavin’s in the Big East. Rutgers appears to be a team on the rise.
by BracketCat on Mar 10, 2011 9:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, they do.
And wouldn’t you classify the fact that his DC Assault connection is “much fresher” than ours as yet one more reason to rid the staff of Dalonte?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
I'll trust your judgment on that one.
I’m not nearly as dialed in on who’s recruiting whom and where as you are.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 11, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
All that was missing
was a final comment at the end…“oh yeah, and we got jobbed”
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Mar 10, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
5 team fouls for OSU already as well
not looking bueno for an upset.
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by mac attack ict on Mar 10, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
and Pilgrim with 4 too.
KU should have this.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
They SHOULD have had
UNI, too.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Showing off
his inner-Judge!
;-)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Morningstar and Page look like brothers--or at least double cousins!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:07 PM CST reply actions
UConn/Pitt tied with 10 seconds left.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:07 PM CST reply actions
And KEMBA! With the DAGGER!!!!!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Oh WOW, was it!!!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
my god.
that kid is good. His stepback is killer.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
It was ridiculous.
It was like MJ versus Utah, without the shove to get open.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Umm...no?
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Both Stoops and Self have pretty good track records in Big 12
tournament/championship games.
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As in dominates the regular season
but chokes in the postseason, except for one lucky run.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Mar 10, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
I guess they could still do well in the NCAAs
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Mar 10, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone who wins the modern incarnation of the NCAA tournament has little more than a lucky run.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, getting ahead of myself here
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Mar 10, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
i didn't mean to sound so pissy..
just don’t like discrediting KU when not necessary.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
not from around here?
;-D
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Tyshawn Taylor bodies Ollie out of bounds, and then acts like he's confused about why he's called for a foul.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:17 PM CST reply actions
I'm beginning to think that on close calls like that,
officials should be able to go to the monitor and reverse the call—as well as give a technical to the person taking a dive. That would do away with a lot of the intentional flopping.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
2 or 3 OT's would help tomorrow.
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 1:20 PM CST reply actions
Not sure why OSU is not taking the 8' jumpers.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 1:21 PM CST reply actions
It's due to bad habits
from all the playground ball they played growing up.
:-P
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
The children of the corn (Morningstar and Reed)
are shooting a combined 2-11 from behind the arc…
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KU has been horrible from 3.
won’t see that again, most likely.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Anybody watching the game actually think OSU can come back from being 4 down?
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I was thinking with Page on their team it is doable
But I was expecting threes, not floater in the lane and foul after a rebound.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Is it the same player flopping?
Who is doing this flopping? ESPN only mentions who picks up the foul…
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
not positive...
It was Little the 2nd time. And there was definite contact, but exaggerated a bit, imo. I’m guessing the beakers would see it different.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
The contact was very minimal, at best.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
He didn't even do anything wrong.
Little just waited for ANY contact, and laid himself out like he’d been shot. I reiterate, this should be reviewable, and a technical foul on the flopper.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
i dont think it's a big enough problem to warrant that change.
but sometime you have to think outside the box.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
Good work Little, proving that you can indeed take on people your own size
Not just women. You’re still scum, but at least you’re not a total coward.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
by Sean T on Mar 10, 2011 1:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for brutal KU hate.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
OSU with the ball, down 63-62.
Wow.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:34 PM CST reply actions
19.5 seconds left.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Damn
Should have used my lunch to watch the second half, rather than the first..
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Good lord, that was ugly.
If that’s what Ford drew up, he’s not got the Xs and Os skills I thought.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:37 PM CST reply actions
Some pretty good jokes on twitter now...
referring to the final play being from the harlem globetrotters.
by WillieWannabe on Mar 10, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
We also need someone here to be in charge of the Rally Scarlet posts, I won't be around to bail us out again
I’m assuming KSB has it covered, but just want to make sure we’re all on the same page here.
Forward into Battle
if needed, I will fulfill the role
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
but I'm out for the 1st half and will catch up at half.
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by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
I will resume my duties! :)
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Rally-Boone?
*gag ack yack cough *
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Gross.
Imagining T. Boone in our “Rally” gear is just vomit-inducing.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Rally Scarlett is a fan of only one agricultural college...
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
estimated time for start of game?
oh hail the Purple and White
lul'z
Cole_Manbeck Colorado runs onto the floor as the 2 Colorado fans in attendance execute a great golf clap.
Hope they put down the tokes first.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Ok Cats, beat 'em like a rented mule.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 2:01 PM CST reply actions
When is tip? The gamecast isn't ready yet.
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
Boy I'm tired of that line
“One of the hardest things to do is to defeat a quality foe three times.” Either prove it, or STFU. Enough with the cliches!
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Some major
truth-hating there, Sean! 0.o
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
It's not a cliche, when it's about teams that are fairly even.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, it is a cliche. KSU going 0-6 the last two years should be enough evidence of that now.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
0-6 (2 instances)
in this case is a super super super super super silly small sample size to try to use in dismissing the conclusion drawn from observation and probabilities.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Fine, give me more observations that prove me wrong.
The first time I remember hearing the phrase “it’s too hard to beat a good team X times in a season” was before the 2000 Big 12 championship game. You know what? OU won. The NFL playoffs are the same thing. Titans beat the Jags twice in the regular season, then in the playoffs too. The 42-23 that WW told us is also an indictment of that cliche.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
He already showed you the probabilities, when two teams are relatively evenly-matched.
And as a coach, I absolutely HATED seeing a solid team that we’d beaten twice for the third time. And the 42-23 tells us exactly nothing. It’s not hard to beat a BAD team 3 times in one year, or even a team that is good, but that you’re significantly better than. That figure incorporates both of those.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed... however,
I still intend sometime near future to dig up some 2-0, 3rd game rematch in the post-season results from the last 10 years or so… Might even end up seeing a sort of trend where a team that breaks the 2-0 in the post-season has some sort of greater than others did success in the tourney – you never know. (However, we did not get to 1-2 vs CU.)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Curtis's FT was BRUTAL
Good grief.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Thank you random color announcer
And KSU, start playing defense!
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
CU is just good at running sets.
Tad Boyle is a coach. Comes from the Larry Brown coaching tree – best tree in basketball at present, by a long shot.
oh hail the Purple and White
That doesn't explain KSU not bothering to play D!
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Some of the time the other team just executes.
they have players too. This is gonna be a battle.
oh hail the Purple and White
Jake - yes a mid range jumper!
oh hail the Purple and White
I would be at 19 and that damned good.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
And here she comes!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 2:20 PM CST reply actions
And she sparks another rally.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
Dumb, if you're going to foul
make sure the guy is going to miss
No kidding
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
LOL the gamecast has "Jamar Samuels missed layup".
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
Wow
Great job Curtis!
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Higgins must be calling this game
Talk about a LATE call! jeez
That was some bullshit right there
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
We are really starting to run this offense well!
oh hail the Purple and White
They're fun to watch. Of course, hitting 67% will make any O look good.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Wow what a move by JHR
he has made huge strides in his O-game
yep but he needs to go straight up and down on D
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
"HR looks awkward out there, but he's doing great"
I like these announcers.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
by Sean T on Mar 10, 2011 2:28 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Frank has a high BBIQ
yet the team has a very low one?
I think they don't know Underwood was the man behind the new O
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
They know that;
but Frank gets major credit for having the self-confidence to go with it. I’m most impressed with that; and Frank is the driving force to these kids buyin in.
oh hail the Purple and White
Yes.
Sometimes, the biggest part of being a good coach is surrounding yourself with good assistants that you actually listen to.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
I agree that he gets major credit for doing it (even if Huggins did it too at KSU), but I don't agree that indicates a high IQ
Balls of steel? Yes. High bball IQ? Nah.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Our bigs really need to keep this game under control ...
CU is on their A game. And it’s pretty good.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 10, 2011 2:36 PM CST reply actions
This is some godawful defense. They're not even trying!
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Being late on a rotation does not = not even trying.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Allowing 58% overall, 67% from 3 IS not trying.
A really good night is 50%. 58% is amazing. Colorado is not amazing.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
CU is 14th nationally in ppg
and 19th in adjusted offensive efficiency – so they are pretty good at offense. I didn’t see the game other than GameCast so tough to judge effort, but effort is not always accurately measurable by %’s – it frequently needs the eye-test.
Perhaps in this case both ways point to lack of effort, but I am not yet dismissing it as such just due to CU’s percentages for the game…
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Even in the 2nd game (you know, one that isn't totally fucking humiliating)
CU shot reasonably well at 44%. What in God’s name was wrong with the Cats against CU?
I want the coaching staff running the stairs at Bramlage until they puke.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Texas, widely regarded as a really good defensive team this year,
allowed 53.3% to CU in a high-scoring loss not too long ago.
47.8% against Mizzou in that win… couldn’t it be that CU just cannot win unless they shoot lights out – not surprising to me if true.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
They shot a high % because many were break away layups, or sweet dishes off the
break away. They cleared one side of the floor and created mismatches. It was coaching, pure and simple, that gave CU many good looks, because Frank will not make defensive adjustments. He just says “now you gurad him.” So Burks lit it up in the 1st half, and Higgins did in the 2nd. The kids played hard; CU had a better scheme, and we did not adjust. 3-0 says a lot.
oh hail the Purple and White
Only thing it says to me
at this time is that I don’t want to see CU in our half of the bracket come Selection Sunday.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
If Frank was willing to make adjustments defensively,
and equally important, was willing to play one of his best defenders (Shane) more than 7 or 8 minutes (because of his inane point-proving), CU wouldn’t scare me at all.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
No, it's not.
It’s a failure by the coaching staff to put the players in their best positions to succeed on defense.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Sean,
I could be wrong, but Frank asks his kids to cheat to the side away from the baseline. IMO, a little too much. Thus, we are going to give up some of those plays. Powercat is right; has to be help rotating if a guy gets beat (and they will get beat now and then, the way Frank sets them up). Just my observation. I think our kids are playing hard on D.
oh hail the Purple and White
Nice to see JamSam answer that vicious dunk, but they're not even bothering to play D!
Hey JamSam, keep up the intensity.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
That play was created by the nice entry pass to Kelly from (I think) Southwell.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
I know they don't happen alone, but I didn't see what started it. My feed has been flaky
Great team work guys. at least on O.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
So it's been 13 minutes
and Jamar has yet to foul? What’s going on?!?!?!
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SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Peterson has more fouls than
JHR, JamSam, and CK combined!?!?!
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Jamar is looking loose with his play.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Dammit! 2 fouls since you said that. Great work.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Why are they calling fouls for CU on THEIR dribble-drives, and not for us?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 2:46 PM CST reply actions
I just want consistent officiating on both ends.
That’s all.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Is Colorado a tall team?
I’ve seen quite a few blocks
lots of spring in their step
plus we’ve had a tendency to have a small player in the lane … easy to block the shot.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
that was bad defense
oh hail the Purple and White
CU is bringing it. We have hit a lull.
Time for some leadership and determiniation.
oh hail the Purple and White
I need a beer.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 2:50 PM CST reply actions
Tallgrass Ale
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
The refs are letting them mug us. We can't even get a pass
without them knocking us off balance. Crap!
oh hail the Purple and White
I wouldn't even mind that, if we were given the same latitude on defense.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
they aren't calling the wrap around on pass defense either
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
It's time again.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 2:51 PM CST reply actions
than you Scarlett
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
thank you, time to triple check entries
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't decided if the Buffs are playing REALLY good or K-State is playing piss poor on D
because both things seem reasonable
The silver lining here ...
Is that the odds are overwhelming that CU can’t play this well for 40 full minutes. Not impossible, just highly improbable.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 10, 2011 2:56 PM CST reply actions
I might make a few drunky posts later....
Let me describe my situation:
I work an “upper middle class” job
I live in the same class of house.
Today, I bail out of work early, and what do I do?
Watch basketball and attempt to drink 64 ounces of IceHouse beer. Qty 4 pounders in the can. (giggle) Cost all of $2.99. I’m halfway done, and already feeling sassy.
Oh, and screw KU.
burp
screw this, I should be sleeping anyway.
Nice job Grumpy!
Still at work here with CBS Sports game cast hidden behind spreadsheets. Looks like timing would work for me to catch last few minutes at a bar, but tonight is middle school sports awards night. May have to grab some cheap tall boys for later!
Why?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
And...
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 3:16 PM CST reply actions
not often you see both teams shoot over 50% in a half.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:16 PM CST reply actions
of course we could just start playing like we wanted to win ...
and hated the pac10
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Okay, that kinda pisses me off.
Shane’s one of our best defenders. Just because he hasn’t been practicing well doesn’t mean you don’t give him an extended opportunity to guard Burks.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 3:18 PM CST reply actions
Agreed
I’ve been kind to Frank; but now I’m going off! Stop picking their players up hard 40 feet from the bucket. I don’t give a shit if it id “who we are.” They have figured a way to beat us off the dribbel. Adjust your defensive set. This pisses me off no end. You fucked with Shane’s head. He should be guarding Burks not Jake!
oh hail the Purple and White
It's certainly an area where Frank HAS to grow up as a coach.
The post-season is NOT the time to be effing with people’s playing time to prove points.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yes.
Put the guys that play in games into the game.
I can see his point, but I want to win.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Well,
picking them up hard 45 feet from the goal, when they have the personnell to beat that strategy, is supid.
oh hail the Purple and White
Yep.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Jake needs to find a way to be a bigger factor pretty soon here.
I know he hasn’t been bad, but right now, we need a little more.
Oh, and it would be good if the team would sack up for a few defensive possessions in a row.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 10, 2011 3:19 PM CST reply actions
hitting better than 30 % would help too
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Since I posted that ...
Jake has disappeared in the stats.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 10, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
dunk the ball, CK, dunk the ball.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:20 PM CST reply actions
If they let CU take 2 steps before dribbling, this is going to be a LONG game.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 3:22 PM CST reply actions
beer 2 might be on the way
on a good note, another model shoot tomorrow evening … so maybe Saturday another BOTC t-shirt picture post 8-D.
We have played good ball at times in this game but also there are times when the team seems to not care. Next week the not caring attitude will end the season.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:24 PM CST reply actions
maybe im drunk, (on pounder #4)
but what is 8-D?
DDDDDDDD? bra size?
HIC
screw this, I should be sleeping anyway.
that might be the best way to watch this game.
just little small things are adding up to a not good game for the Cats.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
And I hope the K-State women play in Wichita ... I'll try to get tickets for those games.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:24 PM CST reply actions
WTF is going on, people? I need a summarization.
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
CU wants to win and is playing like it
We occassionally seem to want to win.
Nobody can guard Burks.
And CK can score in the low post.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Now entering BEAST mode:
CK!!!!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 3:27 PM CST reply actions
If we can get a 3rd on Higgins real quick here, that would be freaking fantastic.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 10, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
ok K-State put the knife into the bison
No mercy, put ’em away. Make it so they like the easy going nature of the Pac10
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
SEe that
they are just creating one on one matchups, clearing a side, knowing that their guy can beat our guy 45 feet from the hoop; rotation to help in that strategy is a non factor. So don’t pick them up 45 feet from the rim!
oh hail the Purple and White
100% agree. That stuff drives me nuts about college coaches.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 10, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Frank is just stubborn on this point; it's about him on this
No good coach would stick with that strategy when it is not working. But it is “who we are.”
oh hail the Purple and White
Already in the bonus.
MUST attack the post every time now.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 3:29 PM CST reply actions
Yes Jamar if you slide backwards they will call that a foul
You have to step in front of the guy driving down the lane.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:30 PM CST reply actions
Just rewound and watched it again.
Still not a block on Sprads there.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 3:34 PM CST reply actions
and they missed the charge the previous time (or time before)
again taken by Sprads.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Have we shot a mid-range jumper?
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:34 PM CST reply actions
Not since the first 4 minutes of the game. We were hittin them too. Then they stop.
take it to the rim – that crap
oh hail the Purple and White
To Frank, it is always about toughness
oh hail the Purple and White
yep, but jogging thru cuts is not good
and indicates that they need to focus and put the game away.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
I hate that crap.
It’s not always about “toughness.” Sometimes it’s about scheme, or lack thereof.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
If it's about toughness, it's always on the players, that way.
oh hail the Purple and White
According to gamecast, we're missing a crap ton of layups
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
Which doesn't surprise me because no matter where I watch or listen to the game, we miss a crap ton of layups.
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
They are not layups - they are highly contested, forced to the rim, shots
big difference.
oh hail the Purple and White
BUT GAMECAST SAYS LAYUPS!!!
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
(I'm reverting to my method of using all caps to prove my point.)
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
I'm convinced...
my GameCast says layup layup layup too. CU missing lots of layups so far also :-P
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
again all caps win the argument.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Making layups
just isn’t cool enough. :-)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
To be fair...
CU is playing out of their minds right now. And we are winning at this point. Time to continue to hold the lead and be ahead at 0:00. :-)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I don't care about fair right now.
Just beat those jokers.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Mar 10, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yes ... they are certainly beating the odds, at this point. (meaning CU playing at this level for this long)
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 10, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Haven't checked - CU stats so far?
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Mar 10, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
stats
CU
FG 53% (4-6 3’s)
10-12 FT’s
Burks 18 pts
Higgins 19 pts
Total: 37 of teams 54
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Buffs just match up well against us and Boyle is a darn good coach
oh hail the Purple and White
Yes, but Higgins and Burks really are at another level right now.
No argument about Boyle vs Martin x’s and o’s. Or the matchup … mainly because of our defensive strategy.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 10, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
drunky update:
I am now commenting to myself with a french accent.
dis is not how you say…..guud?
screw this, I should be sleeping anyway.
by GrumpyCat on Mar 10, 2011 3:41 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Eeeets nawt.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
+1, lol
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
4 guys on the perimeter not moving, CK in the post
anyone notice we play like crap when this is our offense?
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:45 PM CST reply actions
We were running the pinch post so well early.
What changed? Did CU make a defensive adjustment? Or have we just reverted to what Frank really wants, which is to take it to the rack?
oh hail the Purple and White
Players aren't making the cuts
Offense is still the same, but the guys aren’t making cuts and when they do cut … it is lackadaisical.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
nobody is moving without the ball on O...this is reverting back to what
didnt work earlier in the season
I just can't watch this crap.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
where does Jake rank on turnovers?
Anyone know?
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:50 PM CST reply actions
Jke is tired
too much guarding Burks
oh hail the Purple and White
i've given up/.
i know its too early, but this is just lousy.
screw this, I should be sleeping anyway.
Awww, don't be grumpy.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Mar 10, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
We look like the team from the first half of the conference season.
Mark my words, if we play like this — and Frank continues to try to prove points to his players using playing time — we will be one-and-done in the tourney.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 3:52 PM CST reply actions
If your gonna have a funk, this is the tourney to have a funk in.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Mar 10, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Scott - time for rally Scarlett - let's get good vibes going
oh hail the Purple and White
might ruin the meme if the team doesn't snap out of it.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
CK is the only one who's effort I really like today.
Just not seeing the team play like they are capable.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:53 PM CST reply actions
I think he's finally realized his time to audition for the NBA was 3 months ago, and he's trying to make up time.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Little slow on D...
Maybe Irving will have a better showing?
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
Crawford/Holloway wasn't enough ...
Now we get Burks/Higgins.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Mar 10, 2011 3:54 PM CST reply actions
She ain't skeert
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 3:56 PM CST reply actions
technically a foul on the CU player before the elbow
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 3:56 PM CST reply actions
Well, what can you say?
oh hail the Purple and White
3 out of 3 says something, unfortunatley
oh hail the Purple and White
I think it says that Frank won't adjust his play to a team that can win off the dribble.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Meh...
Still 3 minutes left. And this loss will only affect seeding in the Tournament… just hope it doesn’t somehow take us out of the 6/7 range if we should end up losing this…
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I think it drops us TO the 6/7 range.
But what pisses me off is that we just don’t make any in-game adjustments to what the other team is doing schematically.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Well, here comes Frank staring angrily at the guys for 45 seconds, and then screaming for 15.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 3:58 PM CST reply actions
well....
good thing we punched our tourney ticket before this game.
screw this, I should be sleeping anyway.
anyone know if the CU team manger is slipping his stash into our locker room before we play 'em?
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 4:01 PM CST reply actions
this seems like the best explanation at this point
we need to make sure we always have clean, pure air in the locker room and someone isn’t messing with the air vents.
8-)
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
That announcer doesn't know the rule.
If you jump, and let go of the ball, you can’t be the first to touch it.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:03 PM CST reply actions
SPRADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:03 PM CST reply actions
thank you Sprads.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 4:03 PM CST reply actions
This announcer is a beating.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:04 PM CST reply actions
or should receive a beating.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Sprads is NOT clutch from the FT line in crunch time.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:06 PM CST reply actions
Tad they haven't called the wrap around on passes all day.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 4:07 PM CST reply actions
They have been bumping us all day!
oh hail the Purple and White
This announcer needs to STFU.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:07 PM CST reply actions
Isn't he a CU grad?
oh hail the Purple and White
Probably.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
I need to fight something.
Drywall, electronics, furniture..?
I need to punch something.
screw this, I should be sleeping anyway.
Your kids' stuffed animals might work.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Why why WHY is Devon Peterson playing crunch-time minutes?!?!?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:10 PM CST reply actions
There was no foul on the strip
oh hail the Purple and White
okay ref you weren't in position to call that foul
not saying it wasn’t a foul but if the ref is blocked by a player, he can’t see one way or the other.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 4:10 PM CST reply actions
He was out of position and it was NOT a foul
oh hail the Purple and White
This loss is all on Frank.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:11 PM CST reply actions
Probably all over except the crying
Any more rally pics?
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
insert Anglo-Saxon words or other earthy language.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 4:11 PM CST reply actions
Jamar - that plaly says it all for this game!
oh hail the Purple and White
well I have no preference on a winner of a KU v CU match up.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 4:14 PM CST reply actions
I am so embarassed by this.
What the fuck happened? Well, I know how the rest of this season will play out. Cats get a 6 or 7 seed, get bounced in the first round by a team you couldn’t find on a map, but plays like CU.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
I am extremely disapointed
that this team brings it against KU and Tx and they don’t bring it against OSU, CU, etc, Something is wrong there.
And Frank;s refusal to make defensive adjustments is stunning. He had two prior games to figure out what CU does, and he doesn’t adjust. Amazing.
oh hail the Purple and White
I do not grok this
K-State should beat CU, but it seems like the team just doesn’t care about lesser teams.
Just about as bad as you can get regarding effort. Not sure if it is the players or the coaching which has the blame for this loss.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
The guys tried, within the piece of crap scheme they were given.
It’s all on the coach for this one.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
IDK
There were some bad cuts and such that indicate the players were not making as much effort as they did against TX (for example). I saw this in another game as well.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
but that could be a result of coaching as well.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
I'm also quite sick of his screwing with Shane's head.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
+1 for the
Stranger in a Strange Land reference.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Nah, the first CU game was worse, much worse.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Frank was an absolute embarrassment schematically on defense today. An absolute embarrassment.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:17 PM CST reply actions
Can't agree more.
oh hail the Purple and White
I will be shocked if we make it out of the first round.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Who cares? Do you really think this team, as
inconsistent as it is, deserves to make it to the Sweet 16? This is why I don’t give a shit about the tournament anymore. We are not a deserving team. Too inconsistent.
oh hail the Purple and White
lol
Couldn’t agree more.
Any game beyond the first round is gravy.
Team plays good and thinks other teams should just lose to them. Instead of putting teams away and winning on their capable talents.
/vent mode off.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1000000
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Who cares what we "deserve"?
You line up and play the team you are bracketed with. I care. I don’t know how you can be a fan and not care. Would you rather go back to the Wooly years and not make the tournament so you could not give a shit about it when K-State wasn’t playing in it?
Seriously enjoy not watching us play the rest of the year. Be it one game or 6, I’ll be watching, because I give a shit.
See my comment later about winning championships,
and my point about not deserving it is the dillutive effect of a 68 team field. Back when I was growing up, you didn’t get in the tourney unless you won the conference. So we busted our ass to win the conference. Now, Jake, Mr. Bracketology, spends four years trying to figure out what seed we can get. It’s marketing. It ain’t about sports and excellence anymore. JMO.
oh hail the Purple and White
The team deserves to get to play
how they want – if they want to win then playing in a manner that wins behooves them. As fans, all I deserve is to enjoy my team competing and in this case being good enough for another game – which is followed by escalatingly fun games as long as we win. :-)
Just think if CU could play ‘decent’ defense with this squad…
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I think we've been inconsistent as fans al year
Do we deserve to get to watch a win?
Seriously people, I thought being a fan was synonymous with “support”
We can talk on one day about having the right attitude about how we should be prior to playing Kansas, and then turn around and tell a team they don’t deserve any further success.
I’ll give the older generation a pass, who grew up expecting trophies, but I grew up looking at regular season schedules every year trying to find a way Asbury or Wooly could go 8-8 in the conference to MAYBE get a crack at an NIT bid. Who have we become? Who’s entitled to what around here?
As long as there’s another game to play, I’m gonna cheer for success.
Enjoy the ride for once People.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
by GTcat on Mar 10, 2011 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
THANK YOU
this is how I feel.
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
No problem.
I want a trophy as bad as the next person. But I get sick of reading a fajillion posts by one or two people bitching about the same thing, because heaven forbid one coach has a human flaw. I garuntee you I couldn’t coach a team flaw free.
It takes the fun out of it bitching and moaning.
I’m glad I don’t take in sporting events with some members on this board. Perhaps maybe I did at one point, I’ve been known to call out idiot fans who I’m embarrassed wear my school color…more in my college days, but the guy who sits next to at my football season tickets can be a bit of a mad idiodic moron sometime, like the time a secondary person let up a pass play (it was the second of the day) and his response was “Snyder get him out of there, he’s been getting burned all day!!!!” like I said, it was only the second time there was a coverage breakdown, and the second time they were playing Zone freaking defense.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
this is new reality of "live" game threads...I feel
much differently about this team and game this morning than I did right after the game…I am right back on board this morning… some of the stuff is overboard, but take it with a grain of salt…especially while the game is going on.
Being a fan is not synonymous with not acknowledging when your team is playing awful.
I think a person can “enjoy the ride”, and also be brutally honest about our inconsistencies and prospects. We have been wildly inconsistent this year. That’s just how it is. And acknowledging that fact does not make me (or anyone else) a fair-weather fan.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
Let me set a few thing straight
For 1 KSB, I don’t think you’re a fair-weather fan. I think I got a pretty good handle on where you stand. And it’s appreciated to some extent. Like the fact that you are a coach lends some perspective I would never see.
2. I’d be a fool not to say we haven’t been inconsistent over a year. From my perspective though, I’m not gonna let two losses to Colorado ruin what I got to enjoy the last 10 games.
Losing sucks, no question about it. I just don’t understand beating the same point to submission. There are a number of factors that go into losing, and it’s unfortunate that you can’t figure out a working combination to win when you get a third crack at something, I just choose not to dwell on a bad game, but look to how not to let things like that happen again. In fact I told a co-worker of mine (KU fan) what I thought of the game when he asked me about it and I said. “As good as we’ve been playing lately, we’re due for a bad game, so I really don’t know.”
So wow, we had a bad game. I just think a cross-section of the last 10 games is more indicitive of what to expect than the last game, or the whole season. I mean seriously this IS the best CK has played all year.
Not being able to observe the game too closely (and since we lost, I’m not gonna replay ESPN3) due to working, I thought we had many a possession where we chucked up a shot, and well it didn’t go in, but we had no one in position to rebound on offense, and that’s where we lost a lot of ground….which I think adds to the point or two I’ve seen you make throughout this thread, which I believe were factors as well…
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Oh and one more time
I always want to admit, I probably only can identify 20% of what’s in front of me on the floor. I don’t know much about baskeball. I could probably identify different zone defenses if I had to, but don’t realize them usually until TV announcers mention it…but I for sure could probably not instruct 5 players how to sucessfully run a 2-3 zone or 1-3-1…And I could probably only set up 1 offensive play. Point is, I can’t ever be too critical about what we did or didn’t do, because I’m in no means a position to do so.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I completely understand.
I think what really kind of set me off was the whole discussion about Jake’s comments earlier this year basically accusing anyone who was daring to be critical of the team of being fairweather fans. I see it in JB’s sig whenever he posts, and — for reasons that go way beyond sport, and that I wrote about before the KU game last fall — get a bit frustrated whenever I think about it. I love my alma mater with a nearly unhealthy passion, and cheer hard for whatever team represents my school. And that quote just seriously rubs me the wrong way.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 11, 2011 1:24 AM CST up reply actions
I agree too that Jake could probably do a lot less tweeting and more
Playing sometimes, but it’s the reality of the world we live in.
And geesh, who am I to say who can tweet and not tweet. They need to be able to do something outside of school and basketball.
You definitely have a right to say what you want KSB, so I hope I didn’t come across as a guy who thinks “you are only allowed to say something positive” I just thought at times there were some redundancy to some of the negs out there…
And at this point, I too am starting to get a little redundant with my sipping Purple Kool-Aid, wearing purple shades sunshine pumping optimism. I could probably learn a thing or two about cutting off when need be
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Bring on the 6-seed
and a beat-able 11 followed by a BYU #3 (I suppose they might get a #2…).
I’m ready for Selection Sunday and the Big Dance now. Let’s get to it.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
by VegasCat07 on Mar 10, 2011 4:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
We'd better damn well hope we draw a SERIOUSLY bad 11-seed,
or we will be out in the first round.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
St. Mary's
would be a draw I might like as a 7/10 game. Or VT again as a projected 11…
At this point, I’m happy we’re in the Tournament considering where we were ~35 days ago.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Seriously man
we played a bad game against a team we’ve struggled against all year. Your sky may be falling, but mine is not. We didn’t go win 8 out of 9 games by being a bad team. Did we regress today? Sure, a bit. But if you think this team is going back to its January form, I think you’re crazy.
Step back from the computer and take a deep breath.
+1
I’m glad we lost today rather than a possible first round loss. I think this loss is going to put the tourney into perspective for Frank.
Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.
It better.
/sarcastic but serious agreement
:-D
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Yea I seem to remember the last time we lost to Colorado
we went on a 6 game winning streak beating some of the best teams in the country along the way :D
So big deal.
Although the team has to win their regional now to meet my expectation. I said at the beginning of the year this team wins A trophy. I really thought it was going to be the conference tourney trophy all along…
I hope I’m right!
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Unless Frank decides he's willing to quit trying to prove points to Shane,
and that he’s willing to make a fricking adjustment schematically on defense, we’re in SERIOUS trouble in the first round, unless we draw one of the weaker 10/11 seeds.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
What exactly did Shane show today to warrant playing more?
All he did was get burned by Burks the minutes he did play. If you want to lay this on the Frank and the staff for not making defensive adjustments (playing off the guards, maybe a bit of zone here and there, etc.), fine. But Shane did not play good defense at all in his 9 minutes, so I have a hard time being upset about that. This, on top of him being well below average in the ISU game as well.
He wasn't getting burnt by Burks in the minutes he did play.
Burks was just hot as hell for awhile there. And Frank being Frank yanked his playing time again. You can’t do that to a freshman’s psyche.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
umm
After this game we are looking at a 7 possibly 8 seed
I don't think we fall to an 8.
But we certainly fall to a 6 or 7 from a 5.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
I think we might be a 7, if need be, just to make the pods/regions work right.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
I would say 7 as well
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Mar 11, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
next poll will have as options, do we even care?, will we when? or lose?
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 4:23 PM CST reply actions
Southwell
Why did he only play 8 Minutes, couldn’t he have helped a lot on Higgins while Pullen was covering Burks?
Yes,
See above, where I rant about Frank’s idiotic point-proving that is messing with Shane’s head, and costing us a chance at the trophy.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
Oh
Yeah I didn’t really read anything on here, but thats what I noticed during the game and pissed me off so much, especially seeing Devon Peterson in there really?
It's Frank's moronic point-proving.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
And it's now cost Southwell all the positive mojo he had going a few games ago.
It makes me physically ill.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
I thought he deserved the right to be in there
Just wish his plug woulda been pulled earlier. You gotta recognize when it’s just not someone’s night. And that seemed to be the case with Peterson.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Did anyone listen to Frank's postgame?
I couldn’t bear to turn on the radio, and listen to him blaming the players, when this game is ALL on him.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:36 PM CST reply actions
I think every loss
is some on the coach and some on the players – never all on either group/person.
I haven’t heard many post-game interviews/news conferences this year just due to having to follow most of the games in DVR/ESPN3-replay or GameCast mode. How is it we know Shane’s p/t was due to practicing – has Frank said it yet or are we presuming and it ‘could’ be illness or something like that?
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Frank said it straight out.
And I wanted to throw my radio through the window.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
No
I think it is a combination of the coaches and players. Just do not have the killer instinct to put other teams away. Seem to believe the news that we are a good team, so we don’t play like we can. Instead the other team puts in the effort and we lollygag through the game.
Should the coaches make adjustment, yes. Should the players actually make sharp crisp passes and quick cuts, yes.
I like the Cats, I really do but this team is frustrating to watch. They could easily win the NCAA (hyperbole warning, maybe) but they come out flat against teams and lose in an effort that just is icky.
I’m very glad I’m not coaching this team, because as good as they are, there are times I’m baffled at the level of play.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
And
If you look at this game, the things that F76 and KSB were mentioning in Jan that needed improvement … K-State did not do. Maybe the only exception is that I don’t think Jake was forcing anything in this game.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
One HUGE deficiency today was defense.
Playing Shane more than 7 or 8 minutes IMMEDIATELY rectifies that. That is coaching.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
I'm still 95% as excited now
for the Tournament as I was 4 hours ago… bring it on!
:-) I love having a team I can even root for beyond the 1st week of March – it’s fun.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Well, that's true.
But I really wanted a B/12 championship. See, I remember how excited I was when we actually won the damn conference. I know you younger guys don’t have that “memory,” so it is hard to relate to. But I do have the memory, and I’d like for it to be refreshed. But it won’t happen with inconsistent teams; inconsistent coaching methods, whatever(?).
oh hail the Purple and White
Oh, didn't mean to imply
that I dont’ care about a Big 12 tourney title – I would LOVE LOVE LOVE a Big 12 tourney title in men’s basketball… however we have blown that opp so time to focus on the ‘Big One’ – right?
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Nope.
One loss doesn’t throw out the Rally Scarlett.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
Who IS that by the way?!?
She’s hot as hell!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
Kate Upton if you right click and open image in new tab.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
What the hell, man?
Really. 0-3 against freakin’ COLORADO?
Well, at least we probably guaranteed we won’t be in the 1-seed half of the bracket.
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
track meet
UT vs OU, 80’ sprints with occasional jumps.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 6:13 PM CST reply actions
if OU comes back in this game
it will be a worse failure for UT than last year.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
Another thing I don't understand about this game.
Sprads hits a MONSTER 3-pointer with 2:00 or so left, to make it a 1-point game, and is immediately benched. I know it was probably and Offense/Defense substitution, but Peterson? Seriously?!?!?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 7:21 PM CST reply actions
From my upper deck seat
Lots of things coming here and I didnt read everything above—- Dang you Frank for not making our players keep pounding it inside!! I think Jake did a good job on D today which took a lot out of him. And hello refs can you please call a freaking travel??? I dont think there would have been much yelling at you if you learned what a travel is!!! Finally to everyone that wanted to play CU for a revenge game—- Learn to want the easier road!!! The trophy is still the same no matter what teams you beat!!
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I'll say it again.
For a team as talented as KSU, CU is only a scary team when your coach refuses to adjust his defensive schemes, and benches one of his best defensive players to prove a point.
And now I’m done harping on that, because it just raises my blood pressure about 50 points every time I think about it.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
I think
If he doesnt want to step up and play lock down D (which he was far from today) then he doesnt need to be out there if hes not going to shoot. He shot the ball ZERO times again today. (side bar- I really think his O will come around next year and we will laugh about games he never shot)
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
He got 8 minutes. He was never given a CHANCE to play "lock down D."
And Frank screwed with his head big time after Shane had such a run of really solid games, by yanking the playing-time rug from under him. You don’t mess with a freshman’s psyche that way. Shane has now lost all the positive vibes he had going for him, and we just can’t afford to lose a lanky 6’6 defender because Frank’s trying to prove some point.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
what point do you think he was trying to prove?
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I'm not sure, other than "I'M the boss of this team!!!"
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
Honest question
Jake could only guard Higgins or Burks at once and with noone else really stepping up and shutting the other down do you think that maybe he sat him to try and find an answer? And maybe since we didnt find the answer maybe he stayed on the bench so that the player in for him would be more likely to shoot on offense at least?
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
He didn't even give Shane much of a CHANCE to be the answer on whichever one Jake wasn't guarding.
THAT is my problem.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
Jordan Hamilton is very immature.
Every time he misses a shot, he seems to pout.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 7:43 PM CST reply actions
Whats everyone want for the aTm vs Mizzou game??
I dislike both but probably dislike Mizzou more!!
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
don't care
Mizzou would generally top the other teams left just because of the unholy alliance, but over all don’t care.
Big 12 is done for the year for the Cats and it is now win or sit in the NCAA’s. So the good news is that the Cats play again next week.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
Can Any of You
Explain to me why the hell Frank plays guys like he does? Devon Peterson is horrible defensively and hasn’t played most of the year. Why the hell does he surface now to play crucial minutes in close games. He may have done a couple of good things offensively against ISU but overall, he is a LIABILITY.
And why not try a zone sometime during this game to just see if it would work. I understand you would have to keep Knutson in range of one defender at all times, but that just becomes a matchup zone.
I love Frank and am happy as hell that we’ve got him and hope we can keep him, but his substitutions and pattern of substitutions just drives me nuts.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
He surfaces now because Frank is trying to prove some kind of point to Shane.
This is discussed in some detail above, if you’re interested.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
It's the Wrong Freakin' Time
To be proving points.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
I completely agree.
But it seems like Frank reverts to “Intimidating High School Coach Mode” sometimes, and this seems to be one of them.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
Shane got the start, but he was clearly on a short leash perhaps due to bad practices, maybe based on a subpar game on Saturday.
I love Shane. He is one of my favorite players. But he wasn’t playing very well today and got benched rightfully so IMO. Peterson had a rough second half defensively and I agree Frank should have made a change. But I don’t really agree Frank made this call to punish Shane or prove a point.
In fact, I don’t think Frank is actually punishing guys for bad practices. Rather he strongly believes practicing poorly correlates and/or causes bad in-game play. So if a guy has a bad week of practice and then makes a bad play in the game he’s quick to pull the trigger and take the guy out. Whether you agree with the mindset or not is one thing, but I truly don’t believe he substitutes as punishment for anything other than a belief in who is providing the best chance to win.
Frank has said the reason for Shane's decreased playing time is having a bad week of practice.
And, to me at least, 8 minutes of playing time is not even CLOSE to enough to gauge what kind of game a kid’s going to have. Every time I saw Higgins or Burks treat their defenders like little schoolgirls, I just kept seeing how Shane fricking STONED Jordan Hamilton. But he was never really given a chance to do it today, and Frank’s crappy short-leash philosophy with him, has taken away all the confidence he had been playing with.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with you.
What I’m saying is there’s a distinction between punishing players for bad weeks of practice and believing bad weeks of practice preclude the player from succeeding during the game.
I think both things are pretty inane, though.
We’ve all (well, those of us who have played and/or coached) known those guys (or girls) who didn’t practice that well, but were “gamers.” I personally think Shane is probably one of those guys. And you just don’t use tournament games to prove points by punishing players.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Jeez, a bit of a meltdown after that loss.
We just went from one of the most dangerous teams in the country to one-and-done with one loss?
The defense wasn’t real good, but Burks and Higgins were hitting very difficult shots. Look, if CU plays like that they could make it to the second weekend of the tournament. There’s plenty to complain about, but Curt’s play was great and could be a sign of great things to come starting next week. Sure it sucks to be done watching Cats basketball until next Thursday or Friday, but I still am very confident in this team.
Two things that were consistent throughout the regular season reared their heads again: 1) CU is a bad matchup for the Cats and 2) As Rod goes this team goes. And he had a rare poor showing. Well, we most likely won’t have to play CU again and I’ll take my odds that Rod is going to be great the rest of the way.
by yeahboozin on Mar 10, 2011 8:03 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I hope you're right.
Because a lot of my new-found confidence has gone out the window in watching how Frank has dealt with Shane these last few games.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
not a meltdown just a fear that we are regressing to the early Jan team.
The players on this year’s team are capable of a great deal … both good and bad.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I didn't see as bad a performance as everyone else.
CU hit a lot of shots and Cats missed a bunch of open shots. More so than usual on both sides.
But there wasn’t anything embarrassing about the effort in my mind.
I saw a lot of uncalled travels
CU hit a lot of shots = 58%
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I'll Admit
We don’t match up well against Colorado and losing is not the thing that has my goat. Frank’s coaching philosphy has taken a serious hit with me. Make you F——-G statements next week in practice or in the team meetings. Not in a critical game.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
by ArkieCat on Mar 10, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+10googol
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
then again maybe....
the loss was planned so we get extra rest before the NCAA tournament.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
I'm melting down (I'm still furious about the game the morning after) because of the incredibly inept coaching
The coaching has been good all through the winning streak. Now, it flew right out the window. You’re damned right I’m melting down. The Cats were totally inept on what should be their bed rock, defense! With that kind of pathetic performance the Cats won’t beat some team you’ve never heard of.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Goosfraba...
goosfraba.
The sky is not falling – I repeat, the sky is not falling. We get to watch out ’Cats play another post-season game! Show some excitement fellas! (and ladies)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Ladies? HA!
There are no ladies here.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Rally
Scarlett begs to differ! ;-)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
things to look at
Cats had:
4 players standing on perimeter at times, no one cutting.
Cuts were not quick or crisp, slow curl routes, at times.
Not many mid-range jumpers in the 2nd half.
I did not watch the D as close, so not sure what the issues were on that side. Do know there were 2 charges against Sprads that were not called.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 8:10 PM CST reply actions
That was a fail in posting
This is answer to yeahboozin’s post on performace level.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
Curt was playing like a 1st team all-Big 12 player.
So the team started focusing on trying to get the ball to him and thus reverting back to early January stagnant offense at times. CU made good adjustments to guard Curt better and the Cats didn’t shoot well enough from the perimeter to make them pay.
The team could have played better certainly. I just don’t think this should change all that much the perception of the team. If one were excited about this team this morning I don’t know why he’d be considering them DOA now.
if you run the offense then it is easier to get the ball to the hot hand.
It changes the perception because the team is now back to Jekyl and Hyde, if the good team shows up we win.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 10, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
Pretty sure that was our first loss in the Gray uniforms
Dont know why but I just thought of that.
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
The quote in your sig is not Jake's finest hour.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on where you stand
I agree with it 100%.
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
No, it really doesn't.
Jake was completely out of line. The people who were criticizing the team back then were right. And loving a team and a school as I do does not mean that you’ll never criticize them, and never think they are really underachieving. And it also doesn’t mean that we’re fair weather fans. Jake needed to focus on the team, and not on criticizing people for being justly upset at how the team was playing. Once he did that, he (and the team) turned a corner, and finished the season strong.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
In a nutshell, loving a team doesn't mean I have to stick my head in the sand when we flat suck.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
and he thanked the fans that dont stick their heads in the sand when we stink
“To all the kstate fans that really support us I wanna say thanks on behalf of the team things can only get better” – JP
This was right before the tweet that I have in my Sig line
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Last thing on this (from me, anyway).
He was pouting because there was a groundswell of unrest amongst the fanbase. But any time you have success, and then play incredibly poorly—as we were, at that point—there’s going to be unrest amongst the fanbase. And there SHOULD be that kind of unrest. It’s natural and understandable, when things go as badly as they did. And a team doesn’t need its best player—and senior leader, to boot—calling out fans who are experiencing natural frustration with subpar play from a team capable of much much more. And to call fans feeling that frustration (and voicing it) “fake fans” is just, well, as I said: not Jake’s finest hour. You can’t expect people to be “happy happy joy joy” when you’re playing like shit.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
Natural frustration
is not equivalent to excessive bashing and predicting season collapse based on a season that is not yet over.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Predicting a season's collapse when you start the conference 2-5,
and have the meat of your schedule (difficulty-wise, at least) staring you in the face IS the equivalent of “natural frustration.” I think it’s VERY “natural” to feel like your season has collapsed in a dumpster fire when you go from preseason #3 in the nation, and favorite to win the conference, to unranked, 14-8, and 2-5.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 11, 2011 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
I suppose then
I am un-natural… I didn’t like the losses, no doubt, and was frustrated by the ‘fall from grace’ as most any true KSU fan would be, however it never made me feel like giving up on the season as a lost cause and claiming to know we wouldn’t make the Tourney with at least 10 games remaining in the season. Each fan has his/her own way about them, and that is fine. Which leaves me at the conclusion of having to simply move on and look forward to the next game, regardless of how others react(ed) to it.
… carry on!
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
As do I...
keep rocking the sig line, JB! :-)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Yeah! Because accusing other KSU fans of being fair weather fans in your sig is COOL, dude!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 11, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
It is knocking bandwagon
fans – if you do not consider yourself a bandwagon fan, then you should not take it as aimed at you. Right?
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
It was aimed at people who had criticized him and/or the team.
I had done that. Thus, I found it (and find it) more than a little offensive, since I’ve been a fan of the Cats longer than Jake’s been alive. From what he wrote below, JB doesn’t mean it that way, but that’s how Jake INTENDED it, without question I’d say. With that said, I still think he’s a fantastic player, and I’m glad he’s with us! But the kid’s 21, and says dumb things sometimes, as we all did at that age. I just think that having it tossed in my face as part of a sig line rubbed me the wrong way, that’s all.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 11, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Perhaps some might take
exception to your sig-line that is a quote seeming to imply (same as presuming what was in Jake’s mind when he made his tweet(s) ) that football players – whom are all human beings – are simply pawns, as in a game of chess?
Yes, I know your signature’s quote is not meant that way but could be taken that way should someone choose to take exception to it. That was my point that you could (probably) simply choose to apply Jake’s quote as JB and I do as being for bandwagon fans… of which neither of us (you, JB, and I) seem to be.
Happy faces, everyone! Time for the class photo! ;-)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
The problem with that is this:
Jake absolutely meant to attack those who were being critical of him and the team. He was calling people out for criticizing the team. He was pissed off at the wrong people.
As for my signature, coaching a football game is playing chess with human pawns. It’s a great metaphor, drawn by an even greater man. Jake’s quote was nothing but a cheap shot at people criticizing him. And it comes across (intentionally or not) when used as a sig, as a shot at those who dared be critical of Jake and the team at mid-season.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 11, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
*Sigh*
To each their own.
I still say you cannot absolutely know the position of a person’s heart/intent in a tweet/quote – especially in an instance like this. However, you are free to make your own assumptions. I wasn’t really saying your quote is the same or trying take aim at/exception with it, but rather pointing out that just about anyone can take exception with just about anything they so choose.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Do you think that taking exception to Jake's quote
is really THAT far outside of what he actually meant by it? I just can’t see a lot of other ways to read it, given the criticism (almost all of it, legitimate) that he and the team were taking at that time.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 11, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Meh...
that is where being individuals that happen to be of the same collegiate blood comes in – we can have differing opinions on some things. :-)
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Regardless of what Jake meant
Everyone is entitled to put whatever they want in their sig-line. I don’t really see the need to criticize someones signature, it just seems out-of-line to me. I think somebody’s signature is something you could easily ignore if offends you so much.
And the fact of the matter is, I kind of like that quote, if you don’t take it to mean what you say Jake meant, then it is a great quote. It derides KU as being a bunch of fairweather fans. What is so bad about that? It’s all in how you choose to see things.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Mar 11, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Ok
I feel that you are not a fair weather fan and am in agreement with what GT said above about some of your insight on here is very nice to have around. I really dont think most people on here are fair weather fans because we turn out win or lose everyday!! If you look above where he thanked the fans then you can also see that he knew s#!+ wasnt going good and was just wanting to say thank you to everyone that always bleeds purple. The people he was talking to with my Sig line are the ones that only think its cool to rock purple when we win (see Duke fan).
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I could not see the game...so what the hell happened?
They said they wanted the rematch and apparently they laid an egg. Can someone give me the nickel version of what went wrong?
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky
Lots of uncalled travels
We couldnt contain both Higgins and Burks. As soon as we locked down one of them the other got hot. Bad defense, not the best shots, played flat. IMO
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
We played okay in the first half.
Not great, but okay. Colorado made some adjustments at half offensively. K-State made no adjustments at half defensively. One of our good defenders only played for 8 minutes or so, and we completely fell apart on the defensive end. All in all, the loss is on Frank.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
I really DID think the guys played hard defensively.
They just weren’t put into very good positions by Frank.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
I say again...
the loss is partially on Frank… and also partially on the players, and partially on the supporting staff, and partially on Colorado and their staff/players, etc etc. I really do not get this blaming of the whole game’s outcome (CU scored more than we did) on one man – the coach.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Damn I just got home from work
only got to see the first part of the second half……what the hell happened? Did the defense continue to allow penetration?
Yes. In spades.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
This thread needs more winning
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
by Panjandrum on Mar 10, 2011 11:27 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
LOL!!
Maybe Charlie Sheen should be our new Rally Meme?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 10, 2011 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
Tiger blood.
Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!
same state as I've been for a while.
Cats play like they are capable of, we can play with and beat any other team.
Cats play with little movement, lazy passes and avoiding mid-range jumpers; then we can lose to quite a few teams.
Most of the teams as opponents from here on out will take advantage of any team that plays like the 2nd option.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Mar 11, 2011 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Something everyone can get excited about:
What happened after the last time Cats lost to Colorado? The team responded with 6 wins in a row.
Number of wins needed to be national champions? 6.
I love it!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Mar 11, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
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"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
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