K-State Slate: 2.7.11
by TB on Feb 7, 2011 8:06 AM CST
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It wasn't always pretty, but on Jacob Pullen's last-second layup, K-State defeated Iowa State, 86-85.
I'm sure Riley, Kansas, was going nuts last night. Jordy Nelson caught nine passes for 140 yards and the first touchdown of the game in Super Bowl XLV. Troy Aikman said at one point that Nelson presented matchup problems. Ahh, yes, Texas Longhorns fans know all about that.
K-State got a conference road win in women's basketball this weekend, too, downing Missouri, 60-55, in overtime.
People still don't get it. Oklahoma is working toward establishing its own network. Good for OU. But in this article, the author and a guy who works in marketing speculate that the Big 12 will fall apart with these new TV deals, because K-State and Iowa State won't be able to compete and will find a fairer playground. I feel quite comfortable in saying that as long as the money is there for us, too, we'll be more than happy to take our chances here. Does anyone think in terms of alternatives anymore?
Thanks to the win over Iowa State, we're still bubbling.
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More "Bubble Talk":
“Gun to my head, I’m not picking Kansas State (16-8, 4-5) to make The Tournament, but that’s more to do with other conferences snagging up bids. (Big East with 11? Anyone with me there?). Had KSU lost today, few would’ve gotten out of sorts with it, but the Wildcats’ season would have been, for all intents and purposes, over. Not the case anymore. K-State now gets a full week to rest before a road game at Colorado, then a home game against Kansas. Frank Martin’s team must go 1-1 there.”
As Furnace has said, this bubble talk ultimately doesn’t matter much, though it is fun and/or maddening to keep track of until Selection Sunday. But I really just don’t understand everyone’s take on KState’s chances. I don’t think KSU has played like a tourney team for much of the year, but the computer profile is certainly not of “they must beat KU or they’re toast” variety. If our RPI was 50+ then sure. But we’re sitting at 31 and a SOS of 15. Maybe I need to take off my purple tinted shades, but is anyone else with me here? Am I crazy to think that 9 wins (whether in regular season or including a Big 12 tournament win) should get this team in?
Hopefully this team has turned a corner and we won’t need to worry about it too much. But I don’t understand how we HAVE to beat a team only ONE team has beaten in order to be considered a tournament team.
Reading comprehension = bad.
Nevermind. Yeah we can’t lose to Colorado and KU.
Yep.
Also, why do people keep saying things like “K-State’s season is over if they don’t get X conference wins (or beat Y team and Z team!”?? A team with talent like K-State has, whether they’ve done it consistently during the year or not, could put together 3 wins (8-8 as some say will not give us at-large might get the #4 sot) in a row or 4 wins in a row without making me think the sky was falling. Though a team with it “within themselves” to do such a thing should show at least examples of it during the season. But to me – every season too – it isn’t over until we are off the bubble AND HAVE LOST IN THE BIG 12 TOURNEY! :-o
Anyways, just have this thought frequently run through my head when someone on here mentions conference records and it ending our post-season aspirations or a talking head on the TV gives something as a must win to get in because the bubble is the only way!
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I was thinking the same thing
With our RPI, finishing 8-8 SHOULD get us in. But I realize the politics of selecting teams may prevent it. Everything is just talk now and really means nothing. If we lose to CU and KU, but beat Texas and MU, we are in.
Reality is, we are a good team that can be very good on given days. Beating a team that shot 56% from the field and 92% from the line on the road (and they shot twice the free throws…a big 12 norm for the home team), is impressive no matter who they are.
I’m greatly encouraged by the attitude of the players and Frank. More happiness and less cussing!!!
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
There's no way that a 16-team league deserves even TEN bids, more or less ELEVEN.
It’s really quite telling of the bias in the media that they keep making these absurd arguments. Are they really saying that the 10th or 11th best team in the Big East is better than the 5th best team in the Big 12?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Feb 7, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed with you initially, but then took a quick look:
Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, Villanova, Louisville, Syracuse, Georgetown, Connecticut are locks. That makes 7 sure thing tourney teams.
I think Marquette and WVU are pretty much set as tourney teams based on some high quality wins. But a losing streak to end the season could change that. Assuming that doesn’t happen that brings the total to 9.
Cincy in my mind still has plenty of work to do. And St. John’s has three really impressive wins but also some bad losses.
So there is potential for 11 teams, though 9 or 10 at most seems more reasonable. I guess it’s just truly the case this year that the Big East is a better conference than the others.
Who gets to play
DePaul, USF, Providence, and/or Rugers twice though? The Big East being so good as ESPN enjoys pointing out and attempting to convince rational adults to believe is mostly just a skewed viewpoint of not grasping just how large the conference is.
Ten Big East teams going dancing is roughly equivalent to 7 teams from the Big 12 – which if my memory alone serves well has happened in recent years. Eleven teams from the Big East would have to include one or more of the group including DePaul, USF, Prov, Rutgers, Seton Hall, and St. John’s. Color me unimpressed/unconvinced.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
No, they play 12 of the 15 other teams once, and the other 3 twice, if I remember correctly.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Feb 7, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
And people think the 16 team super-conference will
take off and be good for sports?? Fail.
oh hail the Purple and White
Completely agree.
The only way it would work is if you played about 24 conference games (9 teams twice plus 6 teams once), and only about 8-10 non-conference, and no one’s going to agree to that.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Feb 7, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
I hope it happens
and I hope like the 10th best team in the Big East finds a way to win the Big Dance. After everyone settles down from their Cinderella high, it will hit them. The regular season means nothing anymore. Conference titles mean nothing anymore. Hey, aint’ this neat.
As far as from what I’ve seen to this point, there are only two teams in the B/12 that DESERVE a chance to play for the title, and KSU isn’t one of them.
oh hail the Purple and White
I dont think the 10th Big East team
winning it all will help anything!! Then all the “experts” will be high on their horse saying see I told you the Big East could win it all with any school, etc, etc. Then they get even more ESPN games and I have to watch usually better refs more often which will make me even more pissed when I have to watch Big 12 refs. Etc
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Newest ESPN Bracketology is out
Has KSU at a 12 seed. It also has 11 Big East schools in…..
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Jake in Chicago with matchup against Huggins?
Yes please! Good storylines right there. Also think WVU and Purdue aren’t bad matchups for this team.
I don't know
I still think it’s unlikely that 11 schools from a 16-team league get in.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Feb 7, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
I see KSU
at an 11-seed in that link…?
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
You see correctly. Baylor is on the 12 line.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Feb 7, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
and once again I fail...
this day hasnt been good to me!!!
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
11 bids from the Big East?
I mean I have heard of bias but let’s get real. Even the Big 10 has too many ranked teams right now. Isn’t the Big 12 number two in RPI or something?
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky
KSU's 0-7 record against RPI top 50 is hurting us right now..
Wish we could get a big win here soon.
If I remember correctly, two seasons ago we had almost the exact opposite profile.
A couple bad losses worse than any Ls we have this year, but also a couple wins that were better than any Ws we have thus far. And I remember I was really annoyed when a couple teams with middle of the road profiles got in at our expense because the type of team that beats up on 51-100 RPI teams but can’t beat the top 50 shows throughout the year they might be solid, but really can’t beat the teams necessary to make a real run at a championship. I’ve always thought the teams that are inconsistent but potentially great should get in over the teams that are totally solid but have pretty defined ceilings.
It’s interesting how our profile is now more like that. This team probably can maintain a solid RPI and SOS by just winning the easier games, but I’d feel a lot better about our chances with just one big win.
Am I the only one that thought that Jordy deserved the MVP award last night?
I mean I know he dropped some passes, but look at the stats he put up, plus the fact that he kept a couple drives alive, and started the scoring for the Packers. Call it my K-State bias, but I think he was cheated last night.
Goes to the QB
unless the wide out just out shines everybody. The drops took him out of consideration for MVP, and the othe Packer wideout had two TD’s; so I think the MVP goes to Rogers. Heck of a game by Jordy, though. That first TD catch was sweet, considering I thought he was interfered with. He did Riley, KS (and KSU) proud.
oh hail the Purple and White
Jordy would have needed another TD catch or two, IMO
Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!
Jordy was the cover boy today in "The Daily"
The sports section was filled with his quotes and he received second place in the MVP voting. The pundits are calling it a breakout game for him.
He did KSU proud!
Yes he did!
I was thinking he should be MVP, but with too many drops and a QB who I think did better than he did, I’m quite pleased with the result (Rodgers 1, Nelson 2)
Fire Chris Cosh!
KSU/KU/MU
should pitch their own TV network as a whole…there is more than enough programming there and extra money (not an exorbitant amount I understand) would help.
Agreed
While the Kansas market isn’t huge, the Missouri market could make the joint effort worthwile. Especially K-State and MU football games that aren’t picked up in the regular contracts, and the non-con basketball games from all three. You could include volleyball games, especially between the teams, and womens basketball. Maybe even a golf or tennis invitational.
IMO, it could actually be pretty good for the three schools. And kinda nice to have.
Do we throw ISU a bone and invite them?
That might screw up the pitch…with the two states sharing tv markets it might make more sense to fox or espn versus the forgotten four banding together.
I like the idea, too
Another option may be that KSU joins forces with the other members of the Big-12 to form a larger package. By doing so they would add Oklahoma (OSU), Texas (Baylor, Tech and A&M) and Iowa (ISU). That’s an expanded pool right there. Strength in numbers.
Seems to me they already have this...
It’s called the Big XII network. The only difference is that you don’t have nebraska colorado texas or ou in it
I would say OSU no
they dont need the money. Forget about the Texas schools as well we do not want to get into competing with the Horns for TV share in that market. Specially when A&M would not want in and Baylor and Tech do not bring enough to split the proceeds 2 more times.
For regional sake I say let ISU in. I actually would not want to leave them out to dry.
"I feel quite comfortable in saying that as long as the money is there for us, too"
We are talking about the Big XII, right? Where the motto is “What’s fair for Texas is fair for everyone”?
Anyway, if staying in the Big XII is the future, I think the Four should band together. There is talk of OU trying to extend their network into the KC area, and the Four should work to block that. If it’s every man for himself in the Big XII, then cut OU off at the knees and limit them to their state.
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
exactly....dont sit on your hands
and wait for it truly be every man for yourself……get Together with a collective few and bargain from a position of strength before OU is taking players from the KC area (not that there are that many)
Agree about banding together with MU, KU and ISU
After all, these were the schools – along with Baylor – who were fighting to protect the Big-12 last year (well, Baylor was only because they felt they couldn’t force the Pac-10s hand on an All-Texas-or-nothing proposal).
As for OU, they already recruit the Kansas area quite well.
My only point in making that statement was...
…in reference to the alternatives. There’s no way K-State (or any other Big 12 school), is leaving the Big 12 while it’s a going concern unless they can get more money in another conference or they’re so utterly uncompetitive that the other schools kick them out. As Frank the Tank put it (sorry, no link, we linked it when it came out and I’m lazy right now), the Big 12 is like a maximum security prison right now. No matter how much everyone may want out, there’s no escape.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Feb 7, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
Trouble in Stillwater
Darrell Williams has been charged with some serious stuff.
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Looks like BracketCat beat me to it
Sorry…
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
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