The Race to 2,116
by Panjandrum on Feb 15, 2011 11:54 AM CST
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For those of you keeping score at home, Jacob Pullen currently has 1,939 career points, which is good for second on the all-time list. Mike Evans, the career scoring leader, currently sits at 2,115. For those of you without quick access to a calculator, that means that Jake currently trails him by 176 points.
If Jacob Pullen wants to leave Kansas State as the career scoring leader, he must score 177 points. With five games left in the regular season, it's nearly impossible for him to pass Evans unless the team gets to the postseason.
Therefore, I've broken down the average points per game Jake would need to score if KSU were to play X number of games for the remainder of the year. Realistically, KSU needs to play at least nine more games for him to pass Mike Evans, and that's even with Jake scoring around 20 points per game. Ten games is more realistic given his current average.
So, for those of you who are interested in the breakdown, here you go. The deeper we go in the 'tournament' (whichever it may be), the more likely he is to leave Kansas State as it's career scoring leader. So, as it's been for the entirety of the year, the individual successes of Jacob Pullen are inexorably tied to the team's success as a whole.
The minimum number of games is seven (5 regular season + 1 Big 12 Tournament + 1 postseason tournament).
The maximum number of games is fifteen (5 regular season + 4 Big 12 Tournament + 6 postseason tournament).
| Games | Average |
| 1 | 177.0 |
| 2 | 88.5 |
| 3 | 59.0 |
| 4 | 44.3 |
| 5 | 35.4 |
| 6 | 29.5 |
| 7 | 25.3 |
| 8 | 22.1 |
| 9 | 19.7 |
| 10 | 17.7 |
| 11 | 16.1 |
| 12 | 14.8 |
| 13 | 13.6 |
| 14 | 12.6 |
| 15 | 11.8 |
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I think the team plays at least 8 more games
Unless they get a first round bye miraculously in the Big 12 tourney (but if that happens I bet Pullen gets some high point totals along the way)., so I think that it will be close.
I voted with
my heart on this one. I want to see him get the record AND for the team to perform well in both tournaments. So I went with yes. It seems it will be nip-and-tuck the whole way if he makes it.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I expect him to get close buy not surpass
but if he does it will be a fun ride for the faithful fans.
I'm still of the opinion that the fact that Jake will have played almost an entire season more than guys like Evans
negates some of the “specialness.” But it WOULD be cool to see it happen, because it would mean we’d gone VERY deep in a tournament that’s kind of important! :)
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Feb 15, 2011 2:44 PM CST reply actions
Interestingly though I believe Jake just surpassed Hensen last night in games played.
So not as uneven for some of the other players as it is when comparing Jake and Evans.
He will have played at LEAST 8 more games than Henson by the end, though.
And that’s 25% of a season from back when Henson was playing. But you’re right, he doesn’t have as BIG of an advantage in games played on the 80s and early 90s guys as he does on the earlier ones.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Feb 15, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Would still be special, but
The 3 point line is the big difference, IMO. Mike Evans scored 2115 points in 117 games. Jake has already played in 128 games. Evans made 890 field goals on 1810 attempts, for a 49.2% average. That is the unbelievable thing about Evans, his field-goal percentage, because I assure you, 33% of his attempts were from today’s three point line. Evans was simply a scoring machine. Evans also shot 78% from the free throw line. In comparison, Jake shot 39% from the field his first two years, and he is 42% from the field this year (as he was last year).
Now, I think Jake is a special offensive player. Records are meant to be broken and Jake would be a deserving player to hold the record. But the stats I’ve outlined here should put the record into perspective. And most of all, no matter how many games we have left, I hope breaking the record is the LAST thing on Jake’s mind. His effort last night was the result of a player NOT focused on individual achievement, and look what happened! If Jake starts thinking about records, that will be a bad thing.
oh hail the Purple and White
I voted yes, but
After reading this I have to say Evans is more deserving of being the scoring leader. Is Jake a good player in today’s game? Obviously yes. Is he as good as Evans? As a shooter, and based on percentage alone no. Because of the era difference there’s no way to decide that either, but as it has been said if Jake doesn’t think about what he’s getting, he will probably get a lot. Being a 2,000 pt scorer definitely means a lot even if he doesn’t reach 2,116.
GO STATE!!!!
Didnt know where to put these info tweets....
“Jacob Pullen averaged 25.5 points, 4.0 assists and 1.7 turnovers in 4 games against Kansas in Bramlage.”
I asked back- what about numbers overall vs KU-
“19.1 pts, 2.2 reb, 2.7 ast, 1.6 to, 1.5 stls, 32.3 min”
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
nice, thanks
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
I don't think he will, but he'll get REALLY close
I wonder how much he will miss those 3 stupid games in 20 years when he thinks back on his time at KSU?
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
I think its safe to say
that he would have had at least 15 in each game over those 3 games. So theres 45 points gone. I was really hoping that it would come down to the ISU game at the end of the year and being at home it would just be an awesome moment!!
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
I voted "no."
At his current season average, Jake needs 3 postseason wins to get there, which will be a challenge. I hope Jake proves me wrong, though.
He's hitting around 20 pretty consistently since the suspension...
…But I didn’t think he would make it — until last night.
38 points made up a lot of ground. Another night or two like that, with around 20 in the other games, and he could pull it off with a semi-modest tourney run or two.
by BracketCat on Feb 16, 2011 1:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Another good showing to keep him on pace
We’ll just have to see how deep this team goes into both tournies
Yeah, he really helped himself today.
And it wasn’t just a good scoring performance. He was great on defense. Five steals! What’s the K-State career record on those?
I am pretty sure that whatever the number is
Pullen owns it. If I remember right he broke it earlier this year.
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
Yes he did
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
We need another
rec or two I think to get this to stick on the side of the page so we can follow/comment as the season wraps up… Rec rec rec! :-D
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Did jake go for
19 or was it 21 after his two FTs at the end of the game? Still on track!
"Nor yet in Dell?"
He's well ahead of where he was when PJ first set this up
He’s scored 92 in the last three games!
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - General George S. Patton
Total for the game??
That would be 27…. If thats what your wondering
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
yea I realized this morning, every time it's been brought up on whb
how far off I was. 27 is right….That’s AWESOME!
"Nor yet in Dell?"
From twitter
“Jacob Pullen says he doesn’t know where he stands on the scoring record and doesn’t want to know. “I don’t want to jinx myself,” he said."
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
If I did my math right, Jake if you visit this site don't look below this line
Haha.
99pts to go?
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Yup.
We get a minimum of three more games, almost certainly a fourth. Our maximum is 13 more games if we don’t get the first-round buy and end up in the NCAA’s “First Four.” Assuming Jake plays in all of our remaining games, here’s what he needs.
Games — ppg
3 — 33.9
4 — 24.8
5 — 19.8
6 — 16.5
7 — 14.2
8 — 12.4
9 — 11.0
10 — 9.9
11 — 9.0
12 — 8.3
13 — 7.7
Well, he's certainly closer than we would have ever thought a month ago...
He’s gotta really be kicking himself for the 3 game suspension.
No kidding.
Without the suspension, he would have an outside shot at breaking it on senior night. If he has a shot at it now, it’s because he goes absolutely bananas at Texas on Monday.
And we might have fewer
team losses – which honestly is what I hope bothers him most about missing those games. Kelly too on this. :-|
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Only lost one game while he was out
and we should have won it anyways. But having him would have helped!!
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
With Jake, we probably beat UNLV.
Which would certainly be a nice change to the season. I’m sure that’s in his top two of worst parts of the season. Right behind the turnover at Colorado.
Did he go for 17 or 18 today?
A little bit of a hit, but surely they play at least 3 games (2 big 12 tourney, 1 NCAA) from here on out one would think…so 61 or 62 pts to go…Three more 20 pt game performances seems reasonable. Here’s to hoping they play 9 more games though!
"Nor yet in Dell?"
62-18 for CU loss
44 now? How cool would it be to see him go for 44 against USU? Real good chance to get it if he has at least 2 games.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
What if
theres a game that is in control winning or losing do you think Frank will tell Jake to fire the ball up everytime he has it?? The coaching staff has to know where he stands…
"To all the fake fans that just jump on and off the bandwagon who think we suck go cheer for somebody down the road then" -JP
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