RPI WATCH: 12/9/11
by BracketCat on Dec 9, 2011 6:00 PM CST
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PrintCan you say RPI nosedive? As if the loss wasn't painful enough last night, the 50+ point drop it caused in our RPI certainly did the trick.
As of right now, the Cats are on life support for the NCAA Tournament. The overall conference RPI is not going to be very good and the Big 12 has a history of being screwed by the selection committee.
Translation? We probably can't expect more than four teams getting into the Big Dance.
Alternate translation? K-State really needs to beat Alabama and it really, really needs to at least play Xavier.
Overall Record = 5-1
Big 12 Record = 0-0
RPI = 75
SOS = 150
Signature Wins (RPI 1-30) = none
Quality Wins (RPI 31-100) = Virginia Tech
Bad Losses (RPI 101 or greater) = none
- Charleston Southern (5-3, 2-0 Big South) | RPI = 126
- Loyola Chicago (1-7, 0-2 Horizon) | RPI = 243: Loss to DePaul (58-69)
- UMES (2-8, 0-1 MEAC) | RPI = 258
- George Washington (4-4) | RPI = 141: Loss to Loyola University (55-65)
- Virginia Tech (6-3) | RPI = 76: Win at Rhode Island (78-67)
- West Virginia (5-2) | RPI = 59: Win over Kansas State (85-80 in double overtime)
- North Florida (5-4, 1-0 A-Sun) | RPI = 144
- No. 16 Alabama (7-2) | RPI = 14: Loss at Dayton (62-74)
- Southern Illinois (1-4) | RPI = 327: Loss to Western Kentucky (55-62)
- Clemson (4-3) | RPI = 178
- UTEP (1-4) | RPI = 335
- Auburn (4-1) | RPI = 142
- Hawaii (2-4) | RPI = 304
- Long Beach State (4-4) | RPI = 32
- No. 8 Xavier (7-0) | RPI = 18: Win at Butler (61-73)
- Howard (3-5, 1-1 MEAC) | RPI = 328
- No. 13 Kansas (6-2) | RPI = 46
- No. 10 Missouri (8-0) | RPI = 30
- No. 6 Baylor (7-0) | RPI = 51
- Oklahoma (6-1) | RPI = 56: Win over Oral Roberts (73-59)
- Texas (6-2) | RPI = 145
- Oklahoma State (6-2) | RPI = 89: Win at Missouri State (72-67)
- Texas Tech (4-4) | RPI = 160
- Iowa State (6-3) | RPI = 68
- No. 22 Texas A&M (7-1) | RPI = 182: Win over Sam Houston State (64-37)
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Very pessimistic BC, aren't you?
Cats wind up 11-7 or 12-6 in conference, shouldn’t they be fine? I don’t see how a single game could kill the Cats, especially this early in the year.
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I'm not saying it will kill us. I'm saying it reduces our margin for error.
We need to get a quality nonconference win, and it needs to be Alabama or Xavier. Conference play will not give us the boost it did last season when we dug ourselves a huge hole.
It doesn't help that I don't expect West Virginia to remain a quality loss.
That’s a young team that will take its lumps in Big East play. This probably will end up looking like the Ole Miss loss in 2009, e.g. the team that beat us goes to the NIT.
I would assume that the Wichita game site made this count as a home game for us.
Or does the RPI formula recognize a neutral court?
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
Life Support?
How can we already almost be out of the NCAA tournament?
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K-S-U ! long long may the colors fly
RPI before January
Is like football polls before week 5, for me.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
Actually, it's starting to round into form.
Another two weeks, and the conference RPI will pretty much be set in stone. Things tightened up considerably, statistically speaking, after the Thanksgiving tournaments and the inter-conference challenges.
And in two weeks we will be within days of January.
Really, where we are Jan 1 means something. Things are too fluid right now.
Plus, There is zero chance that becomes a bad loss for us. It’s not like we lost to GW.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
Please tell me you are kidding.....?
I cannot even believe I pursued reading this. I look forward to the RPI watch but if I have to read this crap that may change. This article has as much credibility as preseason polls do. Most KSU fans have been throught he early season struggles to know this is WAY to early to make projections such as this one. I’m actually dissapointed because normally I tend to agree with BC. I just hope this wasn’t written just to make conversation.
Don't be a jerk. Read his response to my post above.
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Hardly being a jerk
You can try to justify this anyway you want but getting a quality non-conference win is important regardless of how our conference turns out. I would like to think that the other teams in our conference have the potential to continuously get better as I do ours will. Our team has already made strides just in the last few weeks. I also believe West Virginia is going to be better than most think. They are young and talented. I’m just tired of speculation. Everyone including most on this blog counted our football team out this year after the Eastern Kentucky game and now we finished 8th in the BCS. Just being optimistic not a jerk. Sorry if I don’t share your opinion.
by PurpleCountry on Dec 10, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Aren't you just speculating though about WV being good though?
That team will be middle of the road Big East but screw it nevermind, UConn was a middle of the road Big East team. We just took the 2012 National Champions to 2 OT’s. Seriously though don’t berate someone’s writing just because he doesn’t think in your line of opinion. You just look foolish when you say “Sorry if I don’t share your opinion”.
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I may eat my words but
when it comes tournament time, I really hope BC is wrong. Foolish to pick a side? Maybe but I will not count my team out after one non-conference loss to a decent opponent. From reading the responses I’m not the only one who thinks it is a little negative. Was I a little harsh? Yes I was but I suppose I will blame it on the hangover from the loss. Like I said I normally like BC’s writing but just felt this was a little to premature. My apologies if I offended anyone including Sean T and MeatGeek.
by PurpleCountry on Dec 10, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
I understand your frustration, and I'm wondering if BC was extremely frustrated himself after the loss, and that is reflected in the way he wrote this up.
I didn’t watch the game myself (I went to bed at halftime because I was sick). I just know what I’ve read, and it seems to me the Cats played reasonably well, but not well enough. They’ll learn from their mistakes (like having JO take the ball coast-to-coast…) and get better.
Apology accepted, and I apologize for being rude in calling you out. Lots of frustration after the game (which I don’t share, strangely) so I can’t blame others for being cranky!
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Just chiming in...
ALL THE DISRESPECT!!!
But no seriously your points are pretty much spot on. RPI tends to settle into a groove that’s near on impossible to get out of right before Christmas, but that’s as far as I’ve ever noticed and I don’t actually claim to know anything about this shit. We need a Bama win or to at least play Xavier(helping our SOS), because this team is going to struggle through what is a relatively weak Big 12 this year in basketball. Well weaker than we’ve known it for at least a few years. This year is shaping into a lot different league folks and we can’t afford to go blank on quality wins in the non-con.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
I appreciate the work, the facts are good.
But the pessimism is laughable, if the Big 12 conference RPI isnt good, that usually means the we should do well in conference. If the conference sucks and so do we then we shouldn’t be in the dance.
From what I have seen we could possibly finish in the top 4 of the conference anyway. So much left to be done.
Bracket is right, and everyone else is right, too.
We need that non-con win we can hang our hat on. Bama will be that win if we can get it. Doing well in the Diamond Head will be huge as well.
WVU does hurt in the sense that we’re both probably going to be bubble teams, and you don’t want to lose to a bubble team because of the obvious connotation there.
I’m not the statistical analyst that BC is, and I trust him very much in this regard. When I look at teams getting into and out of the tournament, I look at a couple of things. I look at SOS, which I think will ultimately be pretty good for us, and I look at the number of quality wins and bad losses. What you absolutely must do is prevent bad losses. I think we’ll probably get away with that in the non-con for the most part, presuming we don’t lay a giant turd in Hawaii. And there are a bunch of really good chances to get signature wins in the conference (KU, Baylor, Missouri).
So, yeah, our margin for error is really low because the Big 12 is down this year, and we’re lacking a signature non-con win. Beat Bama, and we’re good. Lose to Bama, and we better win the whole thing in Hawaii. Otherwise, we better finish really, really, really high in the Big 12 race, and we better not screw around and lose to Tech, ISU, or OSU this season.
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I've already posted in a thread a week ago ...
That we’d probably have to finish in the top 3 in the Big12 to be 100% safe this year and top 4 to be in pretty good shape.
Not getting WV means we really do need to either beat Alabama (which I think will actually be an “easier” task than beating WV) or clean up in Hawaii … which would probably include a huuuge win over Xavier. If we do both of those things, we’re in great shape again heading into conference season. That would be unexpected, though.
I expect us to beat Alabama and then make it to the championship game in Hawaii. If it’s Xavier, I expect us to lose, but at least we’d get that game on our RPI resume. If it’s not Xavier, I think we can easily win that whole thing.
Fucking WV was like playing a mirror image of ourselves, toughness and style-wise, with the difference being they have an all american level player in Kevin Jones and we don’t. And we still should have won if JO didn’t f*-up on Jones at the end of regulation (no 3’s goddammit), so I liked our toughness overall.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Dec 11, 2011 6:45 AM CST reply actions
Will the suspensions help us with X?
Or would our game be after they’re back?
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
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