WVU Preview: Beware the Huggy Bear
I’ve been waiting for tomorrow night’s basketball game for a long time, just like the first time I ran a marathon or my first battle with the devil.
I want K-State to win this one more than any other game this season outside of KU, and even that’s close. While I realize my reasons for hating Bob Huggins may be a little petty, that doesn’t make the hate any less real.
We all know the story by now, but if you need the traditional telling here’s a story from the Charleston paper, and here’s one from TDWMNBN. I think it’s best to instead use an analogy to the pettiest of all popularity contests — high school — and as the BOTC author most recently in high school, I feel the most qualified to write this post.
Follow the jump for the KSU and Bob Huggins story as teenage drama, followed by a short game preview.
In 2006, a hot girl named Bobbi transferred to a new school.
She had been near the top of the popularity food chain at her old school, and it was inevitable that she would return to that position here, but she had gotten expelled following an embarrassing drunk driving incident that revealed she had some alcohol problems and made her damaged goods while at the same time gaining her more popularity among rural West Virginians.
A young man with an oversized head named Willie was the coolest kid in the FFA group in the big city school — lots of smarts and coolness potential, but always held back by superficial perceptions and the people he hung out with.
He couldn't attract the hottest girls and didn't have rich parents with a huge house where he could host killer parties, but he probably could give girls what they wanted if somebody would just give him a chance.
When Bobbi came along, Willie was looking for some new friends and had decided to be one of the school's ambassadors for new students. The two really hit it off and he was just what she needed to get her life back on track.
After they started dating, she said a lot of really nice things about him and helped him work his way into the popular group, which meant a lot more Yearbook pictures and invites to parties.
Then one day, with Bobbi's status steadily rising back to what it once was thanks in large part to Willie, her second cousin, Davy*, broke up with his girlfriend and starting flirting with Bobbi. Davy was a starter on the football team that was quickly becoming the best team in the school, but not quite popular enough to be a Homecoming King candidate.
*Ideally, this would have been a link to a side-by-side of this picture and this picture. Maybe our intern can make this happen?
Willie knew that Bobbi had been a bit of a catty bitch who cared a lot more about herself than others before they started dating — this is, after all, the easiest way to get popular in high school and big college coaching.
But he was hoping she would be grateful he had helped her significantly clean up her image, so he was crushed and could barely hide his anger when out of nowhere she broke her commitment and left him stranded, offering only empty-sounding apologies.
In the end, the most positive thing that came out of the relationship was the friendship Willie had forged with Bobbi's little brother, Frank.
He had some occasional anger management issues, he wasn't that popular or well respected by his peers, and he refused to compliment anyone early in the first semester, but Frank was a lot smarter and cooler than Bobbi and had some really awesome friends, even if some of them smoked too much weed.
As time went on, Frank's popularity grew and he proved to be extremely dependable. Willie was doing fine, but he often wondered about what could have been if Bobbi hadn't left him.
Still, Willie's popularity continued to grow and even surpassed Bobbi's in some ways, though the fact that the football team was more popular than FFA was never going to change since the Yearbook staff was in bed with the football players.
Willie knew he never would have gotten where he was without Bobbi, but he had helped her just as much and she was the selfish bitch who left him just one month after he'd been nice enough to buy them two expensive tickets (five months in advance!) to the big musical she wanted to see.
Like most high school couples, they basically avoided each other as much as possible after they broke up, but since Frank and Bobbi were always close, it was a little different.
Eventually, Frank and Willie decided they should invite Bobbi and Davy along for a couple hunting trips, just to make dinners and video game sessions at Frank and Bobbi's house less uncomfortable.
The potential for awkwardness increased when Bobbi decided next year she's going to quit football and join FFA, since football is losing players and FFA is doing a lot better with its fundraising under a new leader.
When the four kids go on their hunting trip tomorrow, I'm joining some of Willie's friends who are stopping short of encouraging Willie to pull a Dick Cheney on Bobbi, but really hoping he bitch-slaps the hell out of her and punches Davy in the face.
***
I'm not going to give a long preview because I haven't watched WVU this year and I really don't have a lot of nice things to say. The Mountaineers were picked to finish seventh in the Big East, just ahead of Villanova and Notre Dame, who look terrible so far.
Obviously, the playing styles are very similar, so this is going to be an ugly, physical defensive struggle. Think KSU-Wisconsin with a few more fast breaks minus a Jacob Pullen/Jordan Taylor type talent and big white Americans.
Unlike K-State, West Virginia has failed its only two tests this year, which came at home against Kent State and on the road against a surprisingly good Mississippi State team.
From what I remember, past WVU teams have relied more on guard play for scoring, but with the graduation of guys such as Casey Mitchell and Joe Mazzulla, it's been 6-8 forward Kevin Jones who's picked up the slack, averaging an impressive 19.8 points and 11.7 rebounds per game.
He and 6-9, 260 pound forward Deniz Kilicli — the rare 6-9 European who doesn't shoot the 3 — should provide a nice early-season test for K-State's big men, who need to prove they can handle a tough, bigger front line.
I think Jamar will be fine as long as he stays focused (never a given), but I'll be watching closely to see if Thomas Gipson and JO play a little more tentatively against tougher opponents.
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I was really pissed at Huggins for a couple years, but I've gotten over it
He really did leave the program in a better place than when he got there. He could have tried to take Martin and all those recruits with him, but as far as I can tell he encouraged them to stay and make something at KSU. Of course, if HCFM hadn’t worked out so well I’m sure i’d still be furious.
Yeah, I have to say I'm way over it.
Except for the first time he plays in the OOD. Shit is going down.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
Me too.
Frankly (no pun intended), I was pissed until HCFM’s second year played out. Saw what we could handle without Beasley around, liked it, thought we may have gotten the better of the deal honestly.
Off the cuff view of Huggz was an arrogant asshole that could bring credibility to the program through good recruiting and hard work. Now, with HCFM, we’ve got a release from the arrogance, a status of breeding credibility (rather than it just appearing), decent recruiting, and harder work.
Like where we’re at.
But don’t get me wrong – I may make the trip back to Manhappiness for the first home game with WVU. As you said, SHIT IS GOING DOWN.
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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I was unhappy for a long time, but I knew KSU had a solid coach when the Cats beat USC in the first round
That game showed me a lot. Yeah, I know that team went tits up against Wisky, but that’s why Ryan does to new coaches.
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Really like the story.
The only question I have is – How old is AA, if he’s proclaiming to be the closest to high school? I figured AA was older than me…hmmm…
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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Oldest "BOTC Author"
As in, he has his name at the bottom of the page (or, as compared to TB, Bracket, Pan and jonfmorse).
He could still be older than you.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 7, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Fair enough.
I’m 30. We can start from there. :)
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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GET. OFF. LAWN.
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by Anon_the_younger on Dec 7, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
I am younger than 30
I’m actually Kobe Bryant years old, or in K-State football terms, not old enough to have any recollection of the pre-Snyder years.
I hope I haven’t made you feel old, but just in case this seems like a good team to let you know that TB and I were recently discussing the need to give more attention to your basketball recaps. Keep up the good work. It’s much appreciated.
I honestly don't have any recollection of the pre-Snyder years, either.
I mean, I was in eighth grade when we won the Copper Bowl in 93. So, college football wasn’t exactly a high priority when I was in third grade.
I’m digging writing on the basketball team. Thanks for the props. I’ve had so much fun watching these guys since Huggins came on board – I’m just a basketball fan at heart. It was pure torture attending K-State during the end of the Asbury and suffering through the Wooldridge eras. They were the worst at X’s and O’s this school’s ever seen – which, given the company, is a predicament to easily find yourself in…I mean, the modern developer of the triangle freakin’ offense was a coach here. But the program went through an absolute drought in recruiting during that period, which is what ultimately dried the program up. Given that was my immediate era of K-State basketball, I’m loving what’s going on right now.
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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I can't remember any pre-Snyder football games either....albeit for another reason
In those days you could basically carry a keg or a 1.75 of Captain Morgan into the game and they would simply help you to your seat.
“Ticket please…I see you have a keg there – do you need some help to your seat? No? Do you have enough solo cups? Good. Thanks for coming to the game today – try not to vomit on the fans around you.”
Before Snyder, the football stadium was the biggest bar in Manhattan.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Dec 8, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Not true.
They had police on top of the press box with binoculars looking at the student section.
Booze was smuggled in.
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by Anon_the_younger on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
We agree to disagree...
While I embelished the point (obviously), there was booze all over the student section and the joke on campus was that it was the biggest bar in Manhattan. “Sneaking” in booze consisted of not being blatent and required no special subtrofuge aside from covering said booze.
You must have looked shady and suspicious to get singled out by a bino patrol across the stadium…
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by mac attack ict on Dec 8, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
People snuck booze in but it was not ignored.
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by Anon_the_younger on Dec 8, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Nope, don't feel old.
Yet. My day’s coming soon enough.
I think I will officially feel old when I can’t dunk a basketball anymore.
That thought is just depressing.
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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I can dunk a basketball too
On a 9-foot goal. Maybe 9.5 on a good day. So now you’ve made all the rest of us depressed, or at least most of us anyway. I hope you’re happy.
by Ahearn Alley on Dec 7, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
Couple of thoughts on WVU:
These guys pound the offensive glass. Averaging 40 rebounds a game, but double-digit offensive boards every game. We’re going to have to be very disciplined in executing boxouts to ensure one-and-done possessions. Even still, let’s hope they call OTB better than against VaTech.
In their loss to MSSt on the road, they weren’t really ever in the game. Their loss to Kent State – as well as their other close games – shows they’re susceptible to second-half runs against them. Good for us.
They’re big. They have 4 listed guards – everyone else on the roster is a 3 or bigger. Could be very susceptible to pressure defense and resulting TOs. Even considering their size, not very proficient at shot-blocking, so that’s a plus for our big men, and should encourage some aggressive driving from the guards/wings.
Honestly, we should win this game, as long as we can piece together a contest like we did at VaTech. I don’t even think we need to bring it for 40 minutes, though I would like to see it. For once.
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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And they have to pound the glass, because their shooting largely sucks.
If we control rebounds, play solid defense and hit some 3s, we should be OK in this one. I like the one-on-one matchups (Irving on Bryant, Gipson on Kilicli, Samuels on Jones, Spradling on Hinds) to be at least break-evens or slant slightly in our favor. But make no mistake, this will be a tough-nosed, dragout fight.
Note: AA's opinions do not necessarily reflect the views of other BOTC editors.
I, for one, don’t really have a problem with Huggs. Certainly not the white-hot hate displayed here… ;-)
I didn't see the Hate in the post
but I did feel the hurt. Which is kind of like my feelings on the deal. I will give some grudging appreciation for not doing the pillage and burn that was possible, but it was still a bad move. Had HCFM not been such a success, Hugs would have needed Secret Service agents to protect him in this state. I will be attending the game and will be looking around to see the reception.
by kansassoccerdad on Dec 7, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
AA, I think you need to watch less Glee.
We have Netflix and the wife made me watch the first season of Glee. It was awful. Except for the music.
However, I like the post. Good work.
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ChrisP is so going to like making fun of you for watching Glee.
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by Anon_the_younger on Dec 7, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Bah. I have an excuse (she's known as Wife).
What’s Mr. Clarinets’ excuse? He liked the way it felt on his lips? Please.
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BOYCOTT ESPN!
There is no excuse for watching Glee.
None.
Next you’ll tell us you like Twilight.
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by Anon_the_younger on Dec 7, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
I've never watched Glee, so I have no material.
I thought that was something for emotionally volatile middle school gir… Oh.
Hey, Sean, some advice. Stay away from boys, they all want one thing and it isn’t a relationship. Also, feel free to post some of your algebra homework and I’m sure the BOTC community would be more than willing to help you learn.
Also, BlackCats, put some damn pants on!
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 7, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ouch
That’s offensive. I watched the first 4 episodes of that show and though I actually remember liking the first 2, then the next 2 just made my head hurt so much I swore never to go back. Actually, a large part of what drove me away was that it started to play more off of clichés and stereotypes, which is admittedly what I did to make some of the metaphors work in this post. So, OK, I forgive you.
I can never fault someone for returning to the Alma Mater.
Huggins did what was best for him and left us in better shape so I figure it is a win-win.
Now Kruger coaching at OU does not make me a happy camper. But I think Kruger likes the challenge of rebuilding programs.
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by Anon_the_younger on Dec 7, 2011 4:51 PM CST reply actions
Kruger likes the challenge of controlling a larger and larger salary.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
this!
Now Krueger leaving his alma mater in 1990 was far worse, IMO, than Hugs leaving here after one year for his home. I just don’t get any hard feelings, at all, except I guess there was a lot of emotional buy in to HuggieBear and all that. I don’t think Hugs or anyone foresaw Beilein leaving for Michigan and the W. Va job opening up when it did.
oh hail the Purple and White
Truthfully, I expected Huggins to leave after a couple years anyway.
I figured it was a kind of help each other out deal, where we gave him a chance to get back into coaching quickly, and he gave us a butt-load of talent that he had been recruiting for a year with no NCAA restrictions.
But I never expected it to be only a one year deal. And when it was his alma mater, I understood, even though I was still a bit peeved at the quick turn around.
However, now that Frank has worked out, and it was Huggins who basically said that he should be the HC, I’ve pretty much let all that go. Of course, I still want to beat the ever-loving snot out his team, because these things need to have consequences, you know? But it’s nothing personal.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 7, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
One thing I don't get about this response
I’m well aware I’m fighting against prevailing public opinion on this, but why is it OK for bigtime college coaches to sign a 5-year contract and then just leave after one year? I get it when you’re coming from a mid-major and I could even excuse it if you’re going from a K-State caliber place to a Duke or UNC or something.
But think of it this way: These guys are signing a contract at a coveted, high-paying job, then just bailing on it to go to another coveted, high-paying job, just because they liked that one better. It’s clearly just the way of the world now, but doesn’t that seem wrong? You want to coach at your alma mater if it unexpectedly opens? Fine. Put that in the contract. Maybe I’m just being young and naive, but I’m thinking there aren’t too many other professions where this kind of conduct isn’t frowned upon.
/endrant
P.S. Not at all trying to single out Furnace here. I understand a lot of people here feel this way, which to be quite honest, surprises me a bit. This just seemed like a good place to reply.
I really started to come into understanding of K-State basketball during Altman's tenure.
Didn’t know enough to know if he was good or not – just new we went to post-season tourneys, and Ski could light the place up. 63? Come on. [IT’S RAAAYNIN THREES, HALLELUJAH]
FWIW – Altman did go 19-37 in four years in the Big 8, with his best being a 7-7 year the same year of the NCAA appearance. Did he go on to do wonderful things at Creighton? Sure. In the MVC. But honestly – and I don’t care what any one says here to the contrary – we’re ALL asking for HCFM’s head (or at least his job) if he would have posted a 33% conference winning percentage in his first four years. He’s not that good – he was just markedly better than Asbury and Wooldridge.
I know Asbury burnt the place to the ground with his refusal to recruit more than 50 miles from Manhattan, and Wooldridge went ahead and just pissed on the ashes. There is no positive spin you can put on these two periods, IMO.
I didn’t figure Huggins would be more than a 3-5 year stint at K-State. But I figured more than a year. I can’t fault him for going back to WVU – but I can still be pissed that he came in, talked talked talked, and left the next year. It wasn’t where he went, or why he left, but the timing just sucked. We were soooooo hungry to have a basketball team that was relevant again, and here’s our shot – and then just as quickly, it’s gone. Not taken from us, but left on his own accord. For this reason, it’s kind of a strange paradox for me – I wish him well (because he’s where he wants to be), and just his one brief year did get this whole thing rolling for us – but I want us to just beat the snot out of them every time we play WVU and he’s still coach.
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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I always forget about the 19-37 part of his record
and that pretty much explains why he was gone.
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by Anon_the_younger on Dec 8, 2011 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
The Big8 back in the early-mid nineties was a murderers row of coaches ...
and Altman just wasn’t up to that level. We actually had some pretty decent rosters under Altman that just withered against the conference schedule.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Dec 8, 2011 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
The shorter he stayed the less it would hurt
I got it from day one. It stung a little, but it was like carpet burn on the elbow (collin’s bloody elbo?), as opposed to someone sticking around for 6 years and leaving for no good reason would be akin to amputating a limb with a dull swiss army knife.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I disagree
The longer he had stayed the better, and if he had stayed for five years and then left at the end of his contract for greener pastures, I would have absolutely no problem with him.
Well, I would probably still think of him as an asshole who cares about nothing besides winning, but that’s true for a lot of college coaches these days.
by Ahearn Alley on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Just like I don't think coaches should be fired before 3 years
I think the same is true of coaches – if you commit to a university you should stay at least 3 years.
by smitty3268 on Dec 8, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Even Turner Gill deserved one more year. #PleasehireWeis
by Ahearn Alley on Dec 8, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
One final thought on the alma mater argument
In 2002, Huggins was in the 7th year of his 10-year contract at Cincinnati and turned down an offer from West Virginia. I understand that things change but this should at least put to bed the idea that Huggins was completely deadset on returning and would have left no matter where he was.
by Ahearn Alley on Dec 8, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Except that maybe, just maybe, he regretted that decision immensely?
I mean, he was obviously loyal to Cincinnati, to the point of turning down his dream job to stay there. And then he got screwed over and shoved out the door.
I think that probably changed his ideas about how much loyalty he owed a university that he didn’t have those kind of ties to.
I think that he decided he would never pass up an opportunity to coach at West Virginia again. I don’t think your point really proves anything.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 8, 2011 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
"He got screwed over and shoved out the door"
That’s highly debatable. He definitely got shoved out the door, but the only person who screwed him over was himself.
Maybe if that DUI (in which he was seemingly way drunker than Gary Pinkel) was the only strike against him, I would agree with you. But there was a reason he got the nickname “Thuggins.” He had horrible graduation rates, players getting in trouble all the time, and NCAA sanctions were placed on the program multiple times. I linked to this in the post, but this column spells it out pretty well.
by Ahearn Alley on Dec 9, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Well, that's really another argument.
You are obviously more informed on the matter than I am.
But my main point still stands. The fact that Huggins turned down WVU to stay at Cincy way back when is not proof that he did not covet that job or that his only motivation for leaving KSU for WVU was wins and money, or something.
In fact, your link referencing his refusal of the first WVU offer proves that he strongly desired WVU.
"I have tremendous feelings for West Virginia University and what they did for me — the opportunity they gave me,’’ he [Bob Huggins] said.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 9, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
AA email next time you want pictures ... I might be able to get to them in a timely manner
or not.
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by Anon_the_younger on Dec 7, 2011 4:52 PM CST reply actions
title.

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by Anon_the_younger on Dec 7, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
I will be standing and cheering
Thursday night for Huggins. Not exactly sure how old some of you are but I’m old enough to remember the days before Huggins. He did nothing to hurt our program. If he had left it worse than when he took over I’d still be pissed but I feel very fortunate and proud to be able to look forward to basketball season and every game. Honestly it worries me that this is actually an issue. I’d be very dissapointed in the purple faithful to hear boos from the crown tomorrow night.
I totally agree...
I hope it’s a respectful reception. I guess we’ll see tomorrow… I think the welcome will be much warmer in Intrust than in the OOD.
PROUD & PURPLE
I'm cheering for Huggy tonight, no doubt.
He came over for a visit (coach), we had a great time (turnaround), and when he left our house he left the cupboard full (coaches and players). He even told his friends and neghbors he had a great time and that we were terrific hosts (news outlets).
Thanks Huggy – it will be good to catch up for a bit. Best of luck except when you play us.
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by mac attack ict on Dec 8, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Qualifier
Cats to win, clap for Huggy when introduced. My post was not clear on that…
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by mac attack ict on Dec 8, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
him sealing the Nike contract in itself was huge
I dressed up as woolridge in a suit and a neck brace, so yes I am old enough. I barely remember being picked up from school (circa 5th grade) and my neighbor (ride) teased me because KSU lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament (Tom Asbury with Altman’s team and a 17-12 record!). I was too young to know how great March Madness was. Come to find out it was great, and never got to see KSU play in the NCAAs until HCFM finally got us back to the promised land. Thank you Huggie.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
While I realize my reasons for hating Bob Huggins may be a little petty...........
Actually, that’s what this web site and others like it are all about. A place to discuss our petty likes, dislikes, and even love and hate.
I still have one former boss I would probably run down in a dark alley given the opportunity, but aside from him, it’s hard for me to hold a grudge. Now, the Splenda Bowl is on my list and I will be hating them for many years to come.
Right now, I can honestly say I love Bill Snyder, Frank, John Currie and of course my wife, kids and grandkids. I can honestly say I still hate the Prince of Darkness and if I could figure out who exactly to blame, the bastards who were responsible for allowing the KSU BB program to sink to the depths it was at before Hugs.
So, I guess this little post is all about saying “Come on, everyone”. Hate who you want for your own reasons and Love who you want the same way. Or, as an old song from back in the youth of Furnace and I, “Love the one you’re with”.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
I can't really hate the people who didn't hire a good BB coach in the 90's and early 00's
If there K-State was funneling money to both the basketball and football programs both may be still stuck in mediocrity.
We had excellent basketball until about 90.
Kruger took K-State to 4 NCAA’s.
Kruger left.
Altman took K-State to nothing, NIT, NCAA, NIT … so we had to have a new coach and you’ve seen the result.
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by Anon_the_younger on Dec 7, 2011 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
We made a mistake running Altman off
we panicked because we had been use to higher levels of success.
oh hail the Purple and White
We panicked because KU got Roy Williams
And Altman didn’t seem good enough in comparison
by 2.1 seconds left on Dec 7, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
He wasn't.
See above. I don’t necessarily think Dana was terrible, but honestly, I think Dana gets a bit of a rosy picture painted because of how bad his successors ended up being.
Oh, come on now. That's just stupid.
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even though he was the last one to beat KU in 31 tries before Wooly
if only we woulda known!
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I always liked Wooly.
I think he did leave our program in a better place than he found it, but he just could never seem to get us over the hump.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 8, 2011 7:32 AM CST up reply actions
He just couldn't get the players ...
Honestly, I give him more X’s and O’s credit than BigE (I think) does, because the rosters he was working with (which were his doing) were ridiculous. Only his last season did he have a decent roster and we had the most success that year than any other of the Wooly Era. Some of those teams should have gone 2-14 or worse in conference, but I thought he squeezed out as much as he could. Again, it was his problem that the talent level was so low, but I thought he did ok with what he had. Obviously not nearly good enough to keep him around.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
Altman wasn't ready for prime time.
It wasn’t a mistake to expect better and Altman wasn’t ready to provide it.
Actually … we still don’t know if Altman can coach (get the requisite talent, that is) in a major conference.
We got unlucky with hiring the hottest coaching prospect at the time (Asbury) who turned out to be a piece of crap. And he brought the program so low so fast that we couldn’t hire a good replacement. But I still have no problem with the Altman firing.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Dec 8, 2011 8:27 AM CST up reply actions

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