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Chris Cosh: Should He Stay Or Should He Go? Measuring His Progess Over Three Years

Much anger has been exerted on this site for the perceived lack of progress that has been the trademark of the Chris Cosh Defense. This year, however, after winning ten games (with several key late-game defensive heroics) the narrative has emerged that Cosh has seriously improved this defense from a year ago. So, the question is begged, which is the correct viewpoint? The only way to know for sure is by comparing the numbers from every year.

Overall Defense

Year YPG Rank Passing Rank Rushing Rank Total YPP
2011 398.80 76 3207 104 1578 39 4785 5.66
2010 445.69 106 2786 52 3008 119 5795 6.40
2009 339.92 39 2815 83 1265 16 4079 5.40

Star-divide

Initially, based solely off the overall yardage numbers, you would have to say that yes, Cosh has improved the defense. A closer examination, though, reveals that while Cosh has improved the rushing defense from an abysmal 119 ranking and 3008 yards, his passing numbers declined from a 52 ranking to 104th and 3207 yards, with one game (Cotton Bowl!) left to play. However, his passing numbers did not increase as much as his rushing numbers decreased (421 yard vs 1430 yards), thereby accounting for the improvement seen in his overall numbers. Furthermore, we have played a much tougher schedule this year, especially in regards to passing teams, so further examination is required based upon his performance against the opposing team's average game totals.

Difference Per Game

Year Total Yards* Passing Yards Rushing Yards YPP 3rd Down %** RZ TD %** RZ FG %** Red Zone %**
2011 -40.49 10.17 -50.66 -0.20 -1.74 -2.58 -3.78 -8.99
2010 37.15 -9.73 46.89 1.16 2.96 6.30 -1.85 4.45
2009 -38.73 -13.43 -25.30 -0.06 1.55 1.03 -5.60 -4.57

*To make the comparison more informative, I have excluded the KSU game stats from each team's overall numbers.

**Percentages are measured in percentage points. So, if we held a team to 2.75 below their season average of 30%, we would have held them 27.25%.

Unfortunately for those advocating for Cosh's removal (myself included), these numbers would suggest that this has been the best defense of the Bill Snyder 2.0 era. While the total yards are on par with 2009, 3rd down and Red Zone defense have shown marked improvement. Our only hope of finding statistical proof of decline is to look at other defensive stats, such as INTs and Sacks, which have been remarkably consistent over the years.

Miscellaneous Defense

Year Interceptions Rank Sacks Rank
2011 18 T5 19 T83
2010 13 T49 20 T85
2009 13 T30 20 T82

But that consistency is misleading. If you compare those numbers next to the number of plays that were run, you find that this defense has dropped off somewhat in sack production. That could be an indicator that the our ability to pressure the quarterback has declined.

Per Play Defense

Year Pass Attempts Sack % INT % Yards Per Pass Attempt Rush Attempts Yards Per Rush Attempt Yards Per Play
2011 447 4.25%5 4.03% 7.17 399 3.95 5.66
2010 400 5.00% 3.25% 6.97 507 5.93 6.40
2009 395 5.06% 3.29% 7.12 362 3.49 5.40

What does all of this mean? Everyone is free to draw their own conclusions, but to me, the numbers show that Cosh, when given the right athletes, can coach against the run. He is really good at stopping the rush in 2/3 years (and historically bad in the other year, but there was a noticeable lack of speed at linebacker).

However, his pass defense has remained consistently weak. The only "good" year he had , 2010, was in retrospect not very good at all and only in comparison to how awful we were against the run. This also seems to fit well with real world events. We now have a Co-Defensive Coordinator in charge of passing. Perhaps that is because Cosh is not that good against the pass? And if you look back on when our defense dropped off after 2003, it also coincided with the rise of the passing offense. I would submit that the reason for that was that Cosh could not come up with a scheme to contain those offenses. I would also submit that he still has not done so.

Except we are forgetting something here. These numbers have been 'deflated' from the weaker non-conference teams. If we only include stats from games against major conference competition, we see a different story.

Difference Per Game

Difference Per Game vs FBS

Difference Per Game vs BCS

Year Total Yards Passing Yards Rushing Yards YPP Year Total Yards Passing Yards Rushing Yards YPP Year Total Yards Passing Yards Rushing Yards YPP
2011 -40.49 10.17 -50.66 -0.20 2011 -23.12 13.69 -36.82 -6.57 2011 -19.53 22.09 -41.62 0.12
2010 37.15 -9.73 46.89 1.16 2010 38.28 -16.93 55.21 1.19 2010 37.24 -15.94 53.19 1.19
2009 -38.73 -13.43 -25.30 -0.06 2009 -13.02 1.58 -14.60 0.40 2009 -5.41 6.58 -11.99 0.52

These numbers show us that against the 2009 defense may not have actually been that good, once you remove the two FCS teams and UL-Lafayette from the schedule. Furthermore, Cosh's 2011 defense also weakens considerably when faced with stiffer competition. Only his 2010 defense was a consistent performer; it was bad across the board.

Still, Cosh's 2011 defense is pretty stout against the run. Whether tat is because teams don't bother running against us because they know they can pass, or whether it is simply because Arthur Brown is a beast, we can not say definitively at this point. All we know for sure is that against BCS competition, Cosh's defense has improved by 90 yards against the run, and regressed by 40 yards against the pass.

For anyone interested, here is the raw data set from which I drew these numbers:

2011 Defense

Total Offense Offense Per Game Against KSU Difference
Opponent W L Total Passing Rushing Total Passing Rushing YPP Total Passing Rushing YPP Total Passing Rushing YPP
EKU 7 5 3966 1624 2324 360.55 147.64 212.91 5.45 129 119 10 2.43 -231.55 -28.64 -202.91 -3.02
Kent St. 5 7 2839 1664 1175 258.09 151.27 106.82 3.94 199 81 118 3.37 -59.09 -70.27 11.18 -0.57
@Miami 6 6 4533 2785 1748 412.09 253.18 158.91 6.06 411 272 139 7.09 -1.09 18.82 -19.91 1.03
Baylor 9 3 6426 3928 2498 584.18 357.09 227.09 7.54 429 346 83 6.92 -155.18 -11.09 -144.09 -0.62
Missouri 7 5 5343 2627 2716 485.73 238.82 246.91 6.42 326 214 112 4.94 -159.73 -24.82 -134.91 -1.48
@TT 5 7 5067 3679 1388 460.64 334.45 126.18 5.67 580 461 119 6.04 119.36 126.55 -7.18 0.37
@KU 2 10 3636 1798 1838 330.55 163.45 167.09 4.72 286 210 76 3.92 -44.55 46.55 -91.09 -0.80
Oklahoma 9 3 5695 3861 1834 517.73 351.00 166.73 6.20 690 520 170 9.20 172.27 169.00 3.27 3.00
@OSU 11 1 6109 4133 1976 555.36 375.73 179.64 7.01 575 502
73 9.13 19.64 126.27 -106.64 2.12
aTm 6 6 5482 3245 2237 498.36 295.00 203.36 6.17 482 210 272 5.42 -16.36 -85.00 68.64 -0.75
@Texas 7 5 4538 2204 2334 412.55 200.36 212.18 5.58 310 119 191 4.19 -102.55 -81.36 -21.18 -1.39
ISU 6 6 4346 2387 1959 395.09 217.00 178.09 4.97 368 153 215 4.72 -27.09 -64.00 36.91 -0.25
AVG -40.49 10.17 -50.66 -0.20

Some interesting items from this season:

1. We only allowed opponents to gain more than their season average in 3 games this season. We were 1-2 in those games. (TT, OU, OSU)

2. Despite going into 4OT with aTm, we still managed to keep them under their season average in every category (including total yards) except rushing.

2010 Defense

Total Offense Offense Per Game Against KSU Difference
Opponent W L Total Passing Rushing Total Passing Rushing YPP Total Passing Rushing YPP Total Passing Rushing YPP
UCLA 4 8 3487 1573 1914 317 143.00 174.00 4.67 313 120 193 5.00 -4.00 -23.00 19.00 0.33
SW Mizz. State
5 6 4233
2043
2190
423.30
204.30
219.00
4.53
447
281 166 5.30
23.70
76.70 -53.00 0.77
*ISU 5 7 3516
1969
1547 319.64
179.00
140.64 5.94
293
122
171 4.30
-26.64 -57.00 30.36 -1.64
UCF 11 3 4892
2518
2374 376.31
193.69
182.62
5.86
344
92
252
5.00
-32.31 -101.69 69.38 -0.86
Nebraska
10 4 5574 2108 3466
428.77 162.15
266.62 5.70
587
136
451
11.30
158.23 -26.15 184.38 5.60
@KU 3 9 3557
1942
1615 323.36
176.55
146.82 4.33
331
228
103 4.00
7.64
51.54 -43.82 -0.33
@Baylor 7 6
6179
3649
2530
514.92
304.08
210.83
6.40
683
404
279
9.00
168.08
99.92 68.17 2.60
OSU 11 2 6763
4496
2267
563.58 374.67
188.92 6.92 511
298
213
6.70
-52.58 -76.67 24.08 -0.22
Texas
5 7 4590
2784
1806 417.27
253.09
164.18 5.24
412
272
140
4.80
-5.27
18.91 -24.18 -0.44
@Missouri
10 3 5325
3292 2033 443.75 274.33 169.42
5.60
440 208 232 6.90
-3.75 -66.33 62.58 1.30
@Colorado 5 7 4314 2672 1642
392.18
242.91 149.27
4.95
476
225
251
6.80
83.82
-17.91 101.73 1.85
@UNT
3 9 4503 2077 2426
409.36
188.82
220.55
5.32
459
161 298 8.70
49.64 -27.82 77.45 3.38
*Syracuse 8 5 4197 2375 1822 381.55 215.91 165.64 4.97 498 239
259 7.70
116.45 23.09 93.36 2.73
AVG 37.15 -9.73 46.89 1.16

2009 Defense

Total Offense Offense Per Game Against KSU Difference
Opponent W L Total Passing Rushing Total Passing Rushing YPP Total Passing Rushing YPP Total Passing Rushing YPP
UMASS 5 6 3942 2419 1523 394.20 241.90 152.30 5.59 212 102 110 3.50 -182.20 -139.90 -42.30 -2.09
@UL-Laf. 6 6 4054 2513 1541 368.55 228.45 140.09 5.05 287 185 102 4.40 -81.55 -43.45 -38.09 -0.65
@UCLA 7 6 4027 2710 1317 335.58 225.83 109.75 5.01 359 186 173 6.20 23.42 -39.83 63.25 1.19
Tenn. Tech 6 5 2981 1765 1216 298.10 176.50 121.60 5.04 107 126 -19 2.40 -191.10 -50.50 -140.60 -2.64
*ISU 7 6 4370 2239 2131 364.17 186.58 177.58 5.28 371 164 207 5.50 6.83 -22.58 29.42 0.22
@TT 9 4 5381 4474 907 448.42 372.83 75.58 5.89 739 554 185 9.90 290.58 181.17 109.42 4.01
aTm 6 7 5754 3347 2407 479.50 278.92 200.58 5.92 301 314 -13 4.40 -178.50 35.08 -213.58 -1.52
Colorado 3 9 3528 2533 995 320.73 230.27 90.45 4.47 244 184 60 3.60 -76.73 -46.27 -30.45 -0.87
@Oklahoma 8 5 5052 3466 1586 421.00 288.83 132.17 5.43 458 294
164 6.40 37.00 5.17 31.83 0.98
KU 5 7 4768 3483 1285 433.45 316.64 116.82 5.79 301 241 60 4.70 -132.45 -75.64 -56.82 -1.09
Missouri 8 5 4794 3278 1516 399.50 273.17 126.33 5.68 433 298 135 8.50 33.50 24.83 8.67 2.82
@Nebraska 10 4 4151 2193 1958 319.31 168.69 150.62 5.28 267 166 101 4.20 -52.31 -2.69 -49.62 -1.08
AVG -38.73 -13.43 -25.30 -0.06


*game played at "neutral" location

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Yes
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No
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Whatever, Cosh is a putz and needs to go.
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I think you need to take into consideration a few things...

One, Arthur Brown makes up for a lot of that improvement in the run game. So does the ascension of Tre Walker and the exceptional tackling ability of our corners (Garrett, Chapman, Malone). Also, Ray Kibble showed a significant amount of improvement from 2010 to 2011, so that helped with the run defense as well.

From a pass defense perspective, we have little pass rush due to smallish DE’s and a soft coverage/limited blitzing scheme.

Honestly, people can examine the numbers, but this defense is a Chris Cosh defense; limited pressure, heavy zone, and hope the other team makes a mistake before they score. His defenses always have horrible numbers because his entire career has been predicated on keeping the score down more than the yards.

If you like that style, he’s your guy. If you don’t like that style, he’ll never be your guy. And the bad part is that he’ll run that defense even if he doesn’t have the personnel for it (see last year).

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by Panjandrum on Dec 5, 2011 5:00 PM CST reply actions  

Any chance Vic Koenning is interested in returning and repairing the damage?

How’s about Vic and KSU give each other a second chance…

Anyway, Pan is definitely right: the ongoing troubles in our pass-defense remain largely a byproduct of a bend-but-don’t-break mentality. That worked well in 2009 when we had very little talent, but I believe the talent this year (with the additions of Malone and Arthur Brown and the return of David Garrett and a year’s growth in Tre Walker) is better than two years ago. My recollection was Cosh had the same issues at Maryland.

by CT-K-Stater on Dec 5, 2011 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Pan pretty much sums it up...

numbers can be crunched in ways to show almost any point, but Cosh simply runs a passive defense. If he has good players it is better then when he doesn’t. Aside from the fact that I HATE a passive defense (and let me qualify that hate to college / professional football as I run a passive defense in junior football simply because the other team is very likely to make a mistake), my problem is the lack of improvement of funementals for the players.

Now I understand that by the time you get to college you should have solid fundementals, but today more than ever they simply are not taught in high shcool (trust me on this – no time for fundementals at all…high school coaches are too busy putting in fancy plays, etc. rather than have the most fundementally sound team in the state).

Solid fundementals would have an impact…

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by mac attack ict on Dec 6, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree that numbers can be crunched in any way to show any point.

They, can, however, be presented in any way to show a point.

Which is why I tried to show as much of the raw data as possible. I tried to condense it for easy consumption, but honestly, I wasn’t trying to make an argument one way or another, I was just kind of throwing the numbers out there for everyone else to look at. I did provide some analysis, but it is pretty sparing, mainly because I had trouble finding any narrative.

Numbers can be very informative, if you can figure out what they mean exactly. Which is why I went through this process, to let everyone here (and I know there are some people here that are much more stat analysis savvy than myself) maybe draw some information from this.

When Pan posted, I hadn’t finished my post yet (I accidentally published early) so I think he thought I was making an argument to keep Cosh. Regardless, I don’t think this was a pointless exercise and personally found it to be informative.

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by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 6, 2011 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

You did yeoman's work here, Chris

Good stuff. I found a lot of it to be informative, too. Because a lot of us view this through a schematic lens (and perhaps emotionally after screaming at the TV at times on many a Saturday) we’re quick to jump on the topic rather than dissecting the data (as in my case).

by CT-K-Stater on Dec 6, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the kind words.

I was mainly taking issue with the “numbers can be crunched in ways to show almost any point” line.

I just was looking for some more concrete evidence to prove why Cosh needed to go. What I found was much more muddied than expected. Perhaps Anon’s analysis still works best, that Cosh can coach good but not great defenses.

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by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 7, 2011 6:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Does anyone actually understand Bill's numbers? I think those would be a great way to compare the teams, but I haven't the faintest idea what any of them mean!

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feidef2011

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by Sean T on Dec 5, 2011 5:45 PM CST reply actions  

With more time to look at Bill C's stats, this is what I find -

2011 – 65th
2010 – 82nd
2009 – 104th

Dammit! The D look to get better! BOOOOOOOOOO!

Anyway, it’s the style more than the substance that drives me nuts. The guys are so passive and seemingly helpless, particularly against the pass. What good team has ever used that style of D?

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by Sean T on Dec 5, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

•DFEI: Defensive FEI, the opponent-adjusted efficiency of the given team's defense.

I see we are ranked #22 in DFEI, the difference being the opponent-adjustment to DE for which we were ranked 65. I think that’s what ChrisP was trying to get to in his second chart. If you adjust the defensive stats to take into allow the opponent’s relative offensive strength, we were the 22nd best.

by Houcat on Dec 6, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

we were #102 in DFEI last year

So that is a vast improvement. 2009 is not available yet.

by Houcat on Dec 6, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Dammit! You're not supposed to make Cosh look good!

Where’s my banhammer…

Anyway, thanks for pointing that out. I’m a chemical engineer and their math and numbers still make my head hurt.

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by Sean T on Dec 6, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I say go.

I said at the conclusion of the year last year that the Total Defense rankings should be between 49th and 60th…he did not accomplish this. These are not Bill Snyder standards…though it was able to help = 10-2, and the defense won us a share of games. Sigh. Maybe we beat the Cowboys with a better defense? But if you could get a quality guy, I say go for him.

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by GTcat on Dec 5, 2011 7:50 PM CST reply actions  

With a round-robin league schedule, I find it very interesting to compare conference rankings

KSU defense is 5th in the B12 in total defense. They’re helped by our offense slowing down the game though – per play they are #6.

The teams above are:
Texas
A&M
Mizzou
OU
Oklahoma St.
then us.
and then ISU is just barely behind in #7.
Baylor and Tech are significantly worse, and then KU is atrocious at #10.

When I look at the talent this defense has and compare it to the other teams, these rankings honestly seem about what you would expect. With the personnel we have, a middle-of-the-pack finish seems about right.

That matches up with previous reviews of Cosh’s ability, where he typically does an OK job but is nothing special.

Our offense, by the way, is #9 (or barely #8 per-play). That is clearly a bigger weakness on our team than the defense. However, you get the impression that they are likely over-achieving with the talent they have. With all due respect to our honey badger, Hubert, linemen, receivers, etc., I’m not sure this team has as much offensive talent as anyone else in the league.

So, bottom line – I’d support getting rid of Cosh if you can point me to who we’d replace him with that’s better than average. There are a lot of those coaches out there, but the question is how many are willing to come to KSU and work under Snyder.

If your argument is that anyone would be better than Cosh, then I’d disagree with you on that. He’s average.

One thing that some people here really dislike is the passive nature of his defense. I agree that it’s maddening at times – but then so was the constant blitzing when that failed as well. Anyone remember a certain game near the end of 1998? I would prefer a more balanced defense, but I’m more concerned about results than style.

by smitty3268 on Dec 5, 2011 10:03 PM CST reply actions  

OK, I finally finished!

Now everybody who posted even though I wasn’t finished with my analysis, take a second look.

Or not, whatever, I don’t care.

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by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 5, 2011 11:29 PM CST reply actions  

If Cosh can't figure out a way to stop the pass

in pass-first conference…

The reason I’m not a DC is because if I had A. Brown, I would use him to 1) spot the QB on most plays and, 2) get in the QBs face. Especially when facing dual-threat QBs.
If you don’t like to call blitzes, then you better have your players in position to stop the pass completion in coverage. This was a failing too many times this season. I’ll grant that it’s not just the DC’s – the players have to execute too. But, it looked like too many times this year, the players were not in a position to make plays.

If you have co-defensive coordinators, do you have a DC at all (just like the having to starting QBs)?

by rjd27 on Dec 6, 2011 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

Well, some of our best defenses came when we had co-coordinators with Leavitt and Stoops.

So it can obviously work.

Really, though, I need to compare these numbers against the “better” defenses in the Big 12. Because although this tells us that we are performing better against teams than most of their opponents this year, it doesn’t tell us if that performance is objectively good.

But that is a whole lot more number crunching, not sure if I want to get into that.

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by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 6, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Problem is back when Leavitt and Stoops were with KSU

offenses were different. You could attack more since they weren’t running the spread and using quick-strike passes to hit your defense in space with their faster skill-position players. Lots of teams back then were still running option plays out of various formations (Nebraska’s power-I, Colorado, Iowa State) and those that began throwing more (OU under Gary Gibbs) relied upon more traditional drop-back passing schemes.
Once Leach got to OU everything changed. The quick horizontal pass was used as an extension of the running game. Defenses faced a choice: get to the QB as quick as possible or make the spread teams earn their way downfield, hoping they would make a mistake along the way. The latter method relied on matching up against each offensive wideout, keeping your safeties back in Cover 2 (or Cover 3 depending), and being a very good tackling defense in space. Cosh has obviously opted for this latter method, largely relying on a four-man rush to get pressure on the QB.
I pretty much agree with rjd27 here. But then a coach has to go with the scheme they think best suits their personnel. Or recruit a specific type of player allowing them to go to a more aggressive scheme.

by CT-K-Stater on Dec 6, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

What does that have to do with co-coordinators?

That reference was pretty much only responding to rjd27’s final question:

If you have co-defensive coordinators, do you have a DC at all (just like the having to starting QBs)?

I was submitting that the fact there are co-coordinators shouldn’t in and of itself mean that the defense will not perform.

It was not in any way meant to be an endorsement of the current situation, nor a comment on defensive philosophy.

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by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 6, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah yes, saw that now.

Thanks for pointing that out, Chris. Was just skimming through, my bad.

But I stand by one thing: comparing the Leavitt-Stoops defenses to today is not an exact science based on the different offensive tendencies of respective particular periods.

by CT-K-Stater on Dec 6, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I forgot about Leavitt and Stoops working as co-DCs

Of course, hindsight tells us both were very good at their jobs.

by rjd27 on Dec 6, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Recruits
But then a coach has to go with the scheme they think best suits their personnel. Or recruit a specific type of player allowing them to go to a more aggressive scheme.

I think that’s the crux right there. Unless K-State can recruit a bunch of A. Brown type defensive players, it’s going to consistently struggle to defend the current passing style. Just not enough defensive backs to cover the wideouts.

Until and unless teams move back to a more balanced approach.

by rjd27 on Dec 6, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

For Cosh’ scheme to really work you have to have superior talent in your front four. I like Latui, Kibble, Meshak, Adam Davis and Voelker, but combined they aren’t going to make anybody forget about the defenses at LSU and ’Bama. We went through long stretches this season without a sack from our front four. Not good in the Cosh scheme.

by CT-K-Stater on Dec 6, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Or you actually teach the kids you have how to do things the right way...

This is what Snyder is legendary for…his attention to detail. He notices everything a player is doing and corrects it every single time. He will approach a running back because he has his hand on the ball at an incorrect angle – by a few degrees. He requires that you do everything the right way because that is a multiplier for less talented player.

Of course the players matter, but have we seen indictions where Cosh has improved the fundementals of his players?

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by mac attack ict on Dec 6, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Certainly not the tackling

nor the deep pass coverage from our safeties who too often seem to fall asleep.

by CT-K-Stater on Dec 6, 2011 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, we can't really know but isn't Nigel Malone a candidate for this?

He was a relatively un-recruited JUCO player, so it doesn’t seem likely that he’s getting by on pure talent.

And how about Ralph Guidry, compare him from last year to now.

I’m not saying he’s a great coach, but i see an awful lot of cherry-picking when it comes to talking about Cosh. Every time the defense does well, it’s the players overcoming a bad coach. Every time they fail it’s a bad coach hurting the players.

by smitty3268 on Dec 6, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

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Jon2c_small jonfmorse

Small Ahearn Alley