Samuel Chi's BCS projections put K-State in Fiesta, Oklahoma State in championship game
Interesting stuff from the mothership today, as SB Nation's Samuel Chi projects that Oklahoma State's Bedlam blowout will push the Cowboys into the national title game over Alabama. He has Michigan jumping to No. 13, but TCU stays out of the top 16, and projects K-State to meet the Wolverines in the Fiesta Bowl.
Too early to start buying tickets for Tempe just yet, but we could be in for an exciting evening. Stay tuned for an open thread after the basketball game.
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I don't much care for how he snears at KSU
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
And how pissed will you be if KSU gets bumped to the Alamo Bowl?
Sure, it’s not likely, but it is possible, right? All it takes is for OSU not to get into the NCG and the Cotton Bowl to decide it wants RG3 (if they were watching the games yesterday) or OU (if they were not). My goodness, I just had a horrible thought. What if the Cotton Bowl picks RG3, and the Alamo Bowl picks OU? In that case, KSU would be going to Phoenix alright, but for the Insight Bowl, not the Fiesta.
As you can tell, the wounds from ‘98 still haven’t healed. I assume the worst until proven otherwise.
This worries me as well.
I just think somehow we’ll get screwed out of the good bowl picture. I mean they’ll work to get Michigan and TCU into the big bowls. Then the Cotton…I wouldn’t put it past them to chose the Land Thieves over us due to “tradition” and the following.
Anything below the Cotton…well I just don’t want to think about it.
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." Mark Twain
I understand the concern...
…but it would be shocking beyond belief if we were passed over all the way down to the Insight Bowl.
I’m still not confident enough that I would bet on a BCS bowl appearance, but I feel a lot better about it than I did when I went to bed last night.
We'll carry the banner high!
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by TB on Dec 4, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
almost as shocking as 98?
I mean, it HAS happened before.
First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)
by Jeremy Sharp on Dec 4, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
SIGH.
That only happened because the Cotton and Holiday Bowls had already made deals assuming we were getting a BCS bid regardless. Then we didn’t, and “oops”.
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but it was still a hose job
because they selected before all games had been played.
First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)
Also the conference was no help in allowing everyone to accept bowls before letting the final play out.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
Mandel says KSU to Fiesta against Stanford, if OSU gets into the NCG
Or KSU to Sugar against Meeeshigan, if OSU falls to Fiesta. But he’s assuming TCU won’t get in top 16 (without supporting that assumption), and says he’ll reassess if TCU gets in. Not much of a “projection,” if you ask me. But I like that he’s making assumptions that go KSU’s way.
Too late
coaches have TCU 15, Ap has them 16. I don’t think the computers can stop them now.
Links is my buisness.....
see down below
for why this is a horrible thing.
TCU’s overall body of work according to my method is not good at all.
First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)
So it basically comes down to hoping OSU goes to the championship game and that the Fiesta would choose us over Michigan because of the B12 ties
Probably both unlikely at this point. No way the Sugar would pick us over michigan.
OU is a real option for the Cotton
I think I read where OU has only played once in the Cotton Bowl in all it’s years. I find that hard to believe. If Cotton picks OU, it will be on that historical angle that the jerks justify it.
oh hail the Purple and White
I'd believe it.
The Cotton Bowl was affiliated with the Southwestern Conference, not the Big 8, before the formation of the Big 12. Between the time the Big 12 formed and Bob Stoops got to Oklahoma, the Sooners didn’t go to any bowl game. Since then, Stoops has had them in 8 BCS games and only 4 other bowls. One was the 2001 Cotton Bowl.
I just scanned the results on Wiki
and OU has in fact only played in 1 Cotton in all the years. Look for Jerry Jones to try to get an OU-Arkie match up – that would be like him. And he could justify it on the basis of the 41 point beat down we got. That game’s results could haunt us in the next 12 hours. I hate to be a nervous nelly, but I never underestimate our ability to get hosed in these matters.
oh hail the Purple and White
It's simple. Go to a BCS game.
Then Jerry can have his Land Thieves/Feral Pigs matchup without hurting us at all. Kind of sucks for Baylor, but then they’d land a mediocre Pac-12 team in the Alamo Bowl and get a 10-win season out of the deal.
Wow you guys are pessimistic!
I think we go BCS. OU will go to the alamo.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
Agreed, to both points
Current selection order is OSU, KSU, BU, OU, MU, UT, TAMU, ISU
OSU should go NCG based on being 3rd in human polls, and computer love for Big 12
KSU to Fiesta
BU to Cotton (super hot/trendy right now)
OU to Alamo
MU/UT to insight
UT/MU to Pinstripe
TAMU to TicketCity
ISU to Texas
BCS needs to cut the BS
the no.1 and no.2 teams from the no.1 and no.2 conferences, mano a mano.
BCS Championship: LSU vs. O-State
Fiesta: K-State vs. Alabama
The rest: meh…
I'm more than willing to admit Alabama's the 2.5th best team in the nation, tied with OSU
And that there’s an upper echelon in CFB football, that we are not in. KSU vs ’Bama…no thanks! KSU-Michigan…I think we could show Nebraska how to beat ’em in the desert.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
GT, when you say upper echelon...
Are you talking about upper echelon of history or ability? There are programs that have more history than ours, and there are programs that have a larger alumni base than ours. But more ability? I’m not so sure.
I don’t think LSU has faced an offense like O-state’s yet. I would like to see how their defense does when it has to work to get the other QB’s jersey dirty.
KSU vs ‘Bama. Hell, yes! They had serious trouble with LSU’s fake honeybadger, let’s see how they do with the real one.
by LC on Dec 4, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
I mean within the context of 2011
I am willing to admit Alabama is in a small percentage of teams in the 120 that are far and above a better football team than anyone else this season. We are not quite there. We’re close, but not quite there. I would say there are probably 3 or 4 teams at the top, then another 4 teams down from that (that we are in), and then there’s teams 9-40 that are all about the same, and then there are teams 41-120 who just aren’t that great. I’m looking at you Mizzou
"Nor yet in Dell?"
They were saying last night on the Bedlam broadcast that OSU
Needed 25% of the coaches’ poll votes for 2nd place. I just read Alabama got 38 and OSU got 22…if it’s 22 out of 60 then (which I don’t know if that’s the case), then that’s 38% of the 2nd place votes…hopefully the computer polls all go to 2s for the Pokes, and hopefully the Harris poll is a good 2.
I think part of why the Pokes need to be in the conversation, is because going into the game we all said, “maybe if OSU throttles OU, they’ll have a shot” but in the back of our heads we all said, “well yea, I’ll believe it when i see it though”…but then they went out and did exactly what they HAD to, and that in itself seems pretty dang impressive. I still think had OSU not fumbled on their last (only?) fumble and the score ended up 51-3 as compared to 44-10 this would be no question. I hope the Pokes go to the NCG!
KSU to Tempe! FREAKING AWESOME!
"Nor yet in Dell?"
by GTcat on Dec 4, 2011 12:07 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
damn, where's the edit button?!?!?!?!?!?!
Example #453883 why we need an edit button for our previous posts:
Old habits die hard. KSU, please DO NIT go to Tempe for a Bowl Game, go to Glendale, AZ. This is coming from an AZ Cardinals fan too…
"Nor yet in Dell?"
also what is this all about anyway?
It’s all about who most deserves a shot to beat LSU?
team one: disguise OSU’s resume anyway you want; They lost one game to a team they should not have on the road, but did plenty else all season long to look impressive.
team two: a team who already had a chance to beat LSU at HOME and did not while missing 4 FGs in that game and did not. LSU did not block 4 FGs, Alabama missed 4 FGs. Team 2 had their chance, why do they somehow deserve another?
If Alabama would have won, and was undefeated, and LSU’s only loss was to them…I think it would be much much much harder to debate 1 loss LSU and OSU since LSU beat a ridiculous amount of BCS ranked teams within one season.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I honestly do not know whether OSU is better than Alabama or not
But that’s exactly why i think OSU deserves the shot at LSU. Alabama already had their shot, and couldn’t get it done. There’s no way anyone can know which team is really better, so let’s give OSU the opportunity to see if ESPN was wrong about how dominant the SEC is.
Not sure why this was green'd.
OSU needed more than just 25 percent of the 2nd place votes in order to surpass Alabama per the broadcast.
Bottom line, it’s highly unlikely that Okie State is playing for all the marbles. But we’ll find out for sure tonight.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
In the coaches poll, OSU is 5 votes short of the "25% 2nd place, everyone else in 3rd place" they said on the broadcast
That’s very close, but not quite enough. It will depend on how the Harris poll votes.
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and have a soft spot for KSU football. Great site and great year Wildcats! Hope we can play OSU but GEAUX TIGERS! in NOLA! (Mardi Gras lite!) Beat whoever you face! good luck in your bowl Cats.
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Thanks - and LSU did have a superb year
just not fair to anyone to make you have to beat Bama twice.
oh hail the Purple and White
I agree we beat them in their backyard, bring on the 'Boys, but Tigers will be ready for whomever we face in Mardi Gras lite!
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
LSU has a good argument to be one of the all time greats with the schedule they've gone through this year
Good luck, but not if you’re playing OSU :)
thanks, fair enough ;)
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
God bless Sagarin's freaky computer
His ELO-Chess rankings from today — one of the six computer polls used in the BCS — has 4 Big XII teams in the top 7, with OU at an amazing #6. He also has 9 of the 10 Big XII teams in the top 30 (what’s up, KU?). I’d call him a Big XII homer, but he grew up in NYC, went to MIT, and lives in Indiana.
1. LSU
2. Alabama
3. Oklahoma St.
4. Arkansas
5. K-State
6. Oklahoma
7. Baylor
8. South Carolina
9. Oregon
10. Stanford
11. Georgia
12. Boise St.
13. Texas
14. USC
15. Auburn
16. Missouri
17. Texas A&M
18. Clemson
19. TCU
20. Wisconsin
21. Iowa St.
22. Va Tech
23. Michigan
24. Nebraska
25. Michigan St.
…
29. Texas Tech
…
65. Kansas
Stay tuned for an update to the rankings based on my methods.
The way things have shuffled, OSU will look even better because we moved up in the sagarin rankings.
First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)
Why is texas ranked so high
Including over a league team that beat them and has a better record?
Good luck to to KSU – they deserve Fiesta.
Thanks.
And the answer to your question is our old friend “name recognition”.
That’s a problem everywhere you go.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 4, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Ummm....
Yeeeaahhh….
/runsaway
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 4, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
My brain tells me that I want OSU in the NC
but I also have a problem with a 28 year old former pro (in another sport, yes) leading them there.
I usually like to go all-in on illogical hate, but the whole thing just leaves me feeling “meh” about OSU.
screw this, I should be sleeping anyway.
I still think it would be better
Than watching 2 teams from the same conference play each other for the second time in a defensive struggle yawn fest…I think it would be cool to see what OSU’s offense can do against the great defense the Tigers have. It’s clear that the SEC and Big 12 have been number 1 and 2 respectively this season so why not have their conference Champs face each other in the NCG? But then again…you can’t argue logic when referring to the BCS…
by Kohawk84 on Dec 4, 2011 2:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think this Weeden factor is shared by many poll voters
oh hail the Purple and White
Anyone seeing Chris Harper and D. Scott Fritchen's twitter convo?
Does the team find out earlier than most because Harper is hinting at Fiesta.
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Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
Has anyone broken this down
but if TCU does slip into the top 16, and keeps us out of BCS, I think Baylor’s win over Longhorn might have helped TCU’s computer rankings just enough to have gotten them into the top 16. We should have been pulling hard for UT! Darn, those Longhorn’s.
A Baylor win helped TCU, but neither helped nor hurt KSU because we played Texas also. Crap!
oh hail the Purple and White
The AP doesn't matter
is the Harris poll out yet, and it will have to be the computers that keep them out. They are 15th in Coach’s.
oh hail the Purple and White
Yeah, but they moved up 2 spots in both the AP and coaches polls
Stands to reason they would do the same in the Harris, which would put them at 15/15. They were 18 in the computers last week, and i doubt they’d fall any further than that. I’m guessing they finish 16 in the BCS and barely get in – that would also be exactly 2 spots up from last week.
And that really sucks
look at the numbers for TCU using my method. 121.2 average. That is horrible compared to all the other teams that could be considered (KSU is 160.2 for example).
First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)
If they get in at 16, I bet it is
Baylor’s win over Longhorn which sealed the deal. A Texas win would not have hurt us, since we played both.
Crap!
oh hail the Purple and White
Here are updated rankings based on my method to determine who is deserving of playing in a particular game
These are based on the sagarin rankings as found today in USA Today.
I’m going to save space on the thread by only listing the final score (you will have to trust me on the math). Here is an explanation of how the method works.
LSU: 2525 or 194.2 avg
Bama: 2059 or 171.6 avg
OSU: 2305 or 192.1 avg
Ore: 2003 or 154.1 avg
Stan: 2030 or 169.2 avg
VT: 1845 or 141.9 avg
Clem: 1908 or 146.8 avg
OU: 1832 or 152.7 avg
Bay: 1741 or 145.1 avg
KSU: 1922 or 160.2 avg
BSU: 1794 or 149.5 avg
TCU: 1454 or 121.2 avg
Mich St: 1559 or 119.9 avg
Mich: 1787 or 148.9 avg
Wisc: 18815 or 139.6 avg
The biggest surprise hee is that because of how the BCS rules work regarding the at-large picks TCU would get the nod over BSU because they won the Mountain West, but TCU’s score is by far the worst of any of the teams in consideration. And at this point, I think Mich St can kiss all hope of an at large good bye.
First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)
CBS has us playing UofM
In the Sugar
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
I expect a fired up Denis Dodd on the Border Patrol Tuesday
A very nice article detailing horse shit.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
If he's right, I want an all-out boycott of the bullshit title game in January
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
I for sure probably won't tune it.
It’s a tragedy that the last game of the 2011-2012 season, before I have to wait for months to watch CFB again has to end with such a lame matchup like that. Isn’t that part of the appeal to bowl games? Being non-conference and all.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
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