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K-State Slate: 12.29.11

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K-State Basketball

The Wildcats are riding high after winning the Diamond Head Classic. One more nonconference tuneup remains before Big 12 play opens next Wednesday in Lawrence.

Big 12 Football

Texas moved the Big 12's bowl record to 2-0 with a 21-10 win over Cal last night in the Holiday Bowl. Baylor looks to make it 3-0 today when it takes on Washington in the Alamo Bowl.

Baylor's Robert Griffin III is reportedly leaning toward entering the 2012 NFL Draft. As much as I enjoy watching him play, I'd much rather face Nick Florence than RG3 next season in Waco.

Big 12 Basketball

Baylor eked out a 54-52 win over No. 14 Mississippi State in Dallas last night. While I still have my doubts about how Baylor will hold up over an 18-game conference schedule, there's no doubt that they are ridiculously long and athletic.

Conference Realignment...or something

The Pac-12 and Big 10 will enter a scheduling alliance beginning in 2017 in which all 12 teams in both leagues will play a cross-conference game each year.

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Baylor definitely has players.

But as good of a recruiter as Scott Drew is, he is a terrible practice and game coach. Renardo Sidney’s headcaseness and Mississippi State’s horrible offense after a timeout bailed out the Bears.

And Perry Jones III is a matchup problem for us, as he’s too long for our forwards and probably too quick for Henriquez, but he really doesn’t worry me. He has as many single-digit as double-digit scoring games. He is tremendously talented, but he has taken over exactly one game that mattered. He shies away from contact, as evidenced by his mere 2.9 FTA per game.

by AMS on Dec 29, 2011 8:05 AM CST reply actions  

Jones is a terribly soft player ...

As Stansbury noted in postgame comments, the guy you have to worry about is Pierre Jackson. He’s the glue that has the chance to hold that team together to actually be something. I still think they’ll be way too soft to accomplish anything great, but their punching power in any given game makes them a hot-potato for the other conference title contenders.

I was again mildly impressed with their ability to pull out a game that was played outside their comfort zone. Miss State got exactly the pace they were looking for and still lost.

by Itchy n Scratchy on Dec 29, 2011 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Anybody else notice the AA Arena in Dallas was only about half full?

Pretty pathetic for the #7 team. Both KSU and KU filled the Sprint Center within 3 days of each other.

by AmmoCat on Dec 29, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

It's kinda like all this news about Baylor selling a lot of bowl tickets to the Alamo.

I kinda believe that their will still be more purple than green there because it’s Baylor.

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by MeatGeek on Dec 29, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

The Pac-12/BIG alliance intrigues me.

I saw someone else on here or another site (can’t remember) refer to it as “conference realignment without the pillaging,” or something to that effect.

Is this something that could work for the Big XII and another conference? What if the Big XII and the SEC set up a similar alignment as this one. The $$$ would be freaking ridiculousness for something like that I would imagine, and it would seem to be another fail-safe to keep the BigXII from falling apart prematurely if conference realignment talks start up again.

Nightmare scenario? The SEC and the ACC come together for a similar arrangement as the Pac12/BIG. You would then have 4 major conferences comprised of 12-14 institutions aligning themselves with each other. It would seem to me that everything would be set-up for the eventual move to 16-team super-conferences at that point, and we would again be on the outside-looking-in, hoping we were deemed “worthy” when the dust finally settled.

I hope we’re on the phone trying to make something like this happen, because I have a gut feeling that the Pac12/BIG agreement is only the first step towards something bigger.

by dcchiefcat on Dec 29, 2011 9:14 AM CST reply actions  

I thought the same thing about the SEC/ACC.

Both teams have 14 teams, both of them share a lot of common territory, and I believe that Swofford and Slive get along fairly well.

The Big 12 is going to exist because ESPN and Fox want it to exist. Both teams honored their deals after we dropped to ten teams, and Fox ponied up an additional billion dollars for the 13 year contract. If what Dodds says is true, and ESPN wants to come back to the table to talk renegotiation this summer, that tells me they want to ensure that the remaining schools (specifically Texas) won’t get wandering eyes. And I think that’s a safe bet given the current makeup of the conference. I think we finally weeded out all of the folks that really had any inkling of truly leaving the conference.

The question, at this point, is where the Big 12 goes from here. I honestly think ESPN wants us to expand and take a few Big East schools (at their suggestion) so they don’t have to renegotiate a contract of substance with the Big East. ESPN’s greatest nightmare is diluting their product with San Diego State/Central Florida on a Thursday night. They would rather funnel the BCS caliber schools into one of their favored conferences and have UConn play Oklahoma State on a Thursday or Kansas State play Louisville on a Friday. Also, the reason the reason ESPN pays the Big East any money at all is so they can have the basketball, but really, that product is dilluted because now you have Houston, SMU, UCF and USF aside from the core 8 religious schools, Cincy, Louisville, Rutgers, and UConn.

Basically, I’m of the belief that we’re going to 14, ESPN is going to suggest we take Cincy/Louisville/Rutgers/UConn, and we’re going to get a network that is owned and operated by ESPN that can work in conjunction with the LHN.

Why ESPN? Because Fox owns and operates the Pac-12 Network and Big Ten Network. They have our second tier rights. They have started gobbling up Tier 2 and Tier 3 rights across the country and once the Pac-12 and Big Ten start putting bowl games on their networks and away from ESPN, they’re going to lose the monopoly they’ve worked so hard to attain.

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by Panjandrum on Dec 29, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

A Big 12/Mountain West alliance would be interesting

Especially if the MWC got a BCS bid and could find a way to keep to prevent the mass exodus to the big east

by EMAW 4 Ever (iphone) on Dec 29, 2011 10:13 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I suggested this in yesterday's slate when the story first broke.

I think it would go a long way in making the Big 12 a viable conference long into the future (if we formed a similar agreement with SEC).

I also think it would be extremely hilarious on several levels. B1G/PAC would not be the only ones to be doing this. And aTm would STILL not be completely out from under Texas’s shadow.

The problem with a Big12/SEC agreement is the unequal number of teams (10 or 12 vs 14). From this standpoint alone, the ACC would be a more viable partner with SEC at the present time.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Dec 29, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Which is why I think 14 is the future for us.

Larry Scott was right; consolidation is coming. But it’s not four super-conferences. It’s five conferences with more schools.

If you take the four BE schools that I mention and put them in the Big 12, you get 67 AQ schools. All we’ve done is essentially swap TCU with USF. However, this means that ESPN and Fox only have to negotiate with five conferences instead of six, and going forward, dealing with 67 schools instead of 73.

What was always the biggest complaint about expansion in Pro sports? The dilution of the product as a whole. ESPN and Fox want to control college football, but they only have so many slots in which they can show games. They can create conference specific networks to assist, but the easiest way to control that inventory is to limit the number of teams involved so you can just ensure that they’re all on TV, all of the time. So, you find the most desirable schools that you can reasonably limit (knowing that legally and structurally, you need some small-market rummies), and you make sure they all play each other as much as possible.

What ESPN doesn’t want is SMU and San Diego State. What they do want is UConn, Rutgers, Cincy, and Louisville. The easiest way to keep that is to push the desirables to a conference of other desirables.

Make no mistake. ESPN wants the Big East to die. They proved that by funneling Pitt and Syracuse to the ACC. They’ll funnel the rest to us. And for the biggest cash cow, they’re going to want to get Notre Dame into someone’s fold and off of NBC.

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by Panjandrum on Dec 29, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

It begs the question

What is to become of BYU and Boise?

by CT-K-Stater on Dec 29, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

BYU's problems are of their own doing.

Boise St.‘s story is a great one, but at the end of the day, they’re just a former JUCO with a really nice football program. No major conference will admit them with their academic standing.

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by Panjandrum on Dec 29, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Also, I believe there needs to be mid-major consolidation as well.

I think the MWC and C-USA can do a little re-shuffling and create two very nice looking conferences.

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by Panjandrum on Dec 29, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm in Manhattan bitch.

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by BlackCats on Dec 30, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Not anytime soon.

If Boise had made the JUCO switch 60 years ago, they’d probably be safe.

But since it is so recent, they are going to have to work hard at legitimizing their university as a whole.

Of course, by that point it might be too late.

My sig needs updated.

by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

The Pac-12/Big Ten thing has major ramifications, but I'm not sure what I think those will be yet.

What I do think is that it means they’re done expanding for the foreseeable future. I think the Big Ten is tired of waiting on ND, and they realize they don’t need them to make gobs of money by distributing their network. The Pac-12 presidents seem very happy where they currently are and don’t really want to deal with the mess that is inviting Texas and it’s entourage. I think they’re pretty much aligning together in some form of symmetry. There’s a lot for them to leverage with their common history, current and future distribution platforms, and visionary leadership.

It doesn’t matter that the sports themselves are atrocious in those conferences, but everything else is just going very well.

This will make Notre Dame come out of their hole. It won’t be tomorrow or next year, but they will lose independence. It takes one non-con game away from Stanford, USC, Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue. The Pac-12 already has a nine game conference schedule, so that’s one more brutal non-con for those teams to play. The Michigan AD said that they’ll have to re-evaluate where the UM/ND rivalry stands after their current contract. So, this, combined with the inevitable destruction of the Big East (which WILL happen), will force ND to join a conference. Which one, the Big 12 or ACC, will be up for debate.

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by Panjandrum on Dec 29, 2011 9:18 AM CST reply actions  

"...and visionary leadership..."

well, they have member schools in those conferences who believe that the school will prosper if the conference prospers. We are dominated by 1 or 2 schools who do not share that belief. Until that dynamic is changed, we (KSU, Ia. State, KU) will always be on pins and needles.

I agree that all this maneuvering will finally force N. Dame’s hand, and make no mistake about it, Notre Dame has for 40 years been the fly in the ointment which has led to bad things for BTCF. It is why I despise the school.

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Dec 29, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Why does PAC have a 9 game conference schedule?

Every other 12 team league out there has an 8 game conference schedule (5 games from your division, and 3, or half, from the other division). Is this just something else “visionary” that Larry Scott has come up with? Or is this because they had a 9 game conference schedule when they were the PAC-10, and they wanted to keep that when they expanded to 12 teams?

If you asked any AD or coach in the Big 12 if they preferred a 9 game conference schedule or an 8 game conference schedule, I think all would say “8 game”.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Dec 29, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure of the specific answer other than there was a big issue with California...

When they split the divisions, they split USC/UCLA from Cal/Stanford. To ensure that all California schools played every year, and they had sufficient rotations with non-California schools, they went with a nine game schedule.

That’s a rough interpretation, but I think it’s in the ballpark.

My belief, personally, is that a nine game schedule allows a conference to have greater control over it’s television inventory. When you have non-conference games, if you’re the road team, I believe you fall off of the jurisdiction of your conference TV contracts. For example, when we played Miami this year, we were on ESPN U, and between replays, it flashed “ACC on ESPN” or something like that. When we went on the road, we went under their umbrella. When they come to KSU next year, they’ll be on ABC, ESPN/ESPN2, FX, or FSN.

What this means, if you’re starting a conference network, is that to ensure a minimum number of games on your carriers every week, you need to make sure that you have X number of games. To satisfy our current ESPN contracts, I believe we have to show a minimum of 20 games per year. To satisfy Fox’s new contract, we have to play a minimum of 39 on the Fox networks, meaning they get three games per week. If you were to have a conference specific network, you’d get to put whatever was left on that platform. With nine conference games, that essentially leaves four weeks on the schedule where you’re working with your schools to ensure that your carriers attain the minimum number of home games necessary to honor your contracts.

Anyway, that’s just my thought.

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by Panjandrum on Dec 29, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Makes sense

I’ll admit that all of these rules regarding TV contracts and whatnot are generally above my head. That could be in part because I haven’t actually seen any of the contracts (nor would I really care to read through such a contract).

The way you explain it makes sense. The more conference games that are played means more control of those games on that conference’s network (or a combination of the networks that control that conference’s tv rights).

You are right about the Miami game. I think it was the “ACC game of the week”.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Dec 29, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

My thinking is along the same lines, Pan

This spelled out the end of expansion for both the Little-10 and the PAC-12 for the foreseeable future. It also built upon the 60+ year relationship between the two conferences, something a conference like the Big-12 with its limited history cannot trade upon. I thought it was a brilliant stroke and only wished the Big-12 and PAC hadn’t forged their own TV partnership back in the spring of 2010 which would have headed off a lot of the realignment drama to begin with (not all, but some).

The Big-12 needs to start showing some visionary thinking itself. I agree with Jeremy, an SEC-Big-12 arrangement along the same lines as the PAC-Little-10 collaboration makes sense. It’s all about improving the TV inventory (and in the case of the PAC-Little-10 they don’t have to worry about absorbing punishment from a non-con game against an SEC team).

by CT-K-Stater on Dec 29, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know if anyone can explain it.

But who exactly is tdj7349 aka “Catlab”?

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by MeatGeek on Dec 29, 2011 10:56 AM CST reply actions  

He's a poster on goEMAW that goes by the handle chum1.

That’s all I know. I love the catlab stuff, though.

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by Panjandrum on Dec 29, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh truly

I’ve spent most of my Christmas break watching the infuriating tale of “How I met your mother” in it’s entirety on Netflix and his videos.

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by MeatGeek on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

So, I was looking at lines for today's basketball games

and found one I think is rather interesting…Oklahoma (+6) at Cincinnati. I guess we’ll find out if Oklahoma is for real tonight. I kind of hope they are. I’ll probably be flipping back and forth between this game and the Alamo Bowl.

Go Big 12!

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by Jeremy Sharp on Dec 29, 2011 4:31 PM CST reply actions  

Nice hind

OU should have won outright. Lost by one.

by gw1754 on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Why are you looking at his hind?

Not that there’s anything wrong with it.

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by BlackCats on Dec 30, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Something ArkieCat will be happy about

Michael Dyer potentially transferring to Arkansas State

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by MeatGeek on Dec 29, 2011 4:33 PM CST reply actions  

Hell, I'm happy about that.

My in-laws (one the mother’s side) are from Bono, which is right next to Jonesboro, which is, of course, the home of Arkansas State.

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by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 29, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Snyder weighs with Razorback comparisons

I’m just saying the ’Cats beat both of the teams mentioned.

Let me just also weigh in on the “speed differential”. As long as their defense is faster than our offense I’m ok with that. That would just mean, any bigger/longer runs will likely get caught from behind, but it doesn’t necessarily mean we won’t be able to execute on offense. Now obviously, if our OL gets dominated by up-front, off the ball, explosion speed and successfully gets to the QB and records a number of sacks we’ll be in trouble. But I’m ok with a speed differential in that direction. Now if their offense is faster (not sure this exists though) than our defense I’ll worry.

"Nor yet in Dell?"

by GTcat on Dec 29, 2011 5:38 PM CST reply actions  

Speed differential cannot be overlooked

It allows for explosion plays for Arkansas on offense and prevents ones for K-State when the Razorbacks are on defense. A 14-0 hole like the one K-State dug themselves into on three consecutive weeks therefore becomes much more difficult to erase due to the time-consumption of our offensive drives. All this, of course, depends on the actual differential on the field, which we won’t know until we see the two teams actually play. But it is something that cannot be denied if, in fact, Arkansas has a substantial edge in this area.

Back in the early 1990s (1990 or 1991, I believe) when Miami played Nebraska in the Orange Bowl the Cornhuskers were much bigger in the trenches, but the holes their offensive linemen opened up closed awfully quickly because of Miami’s superior speed and quickness in the back seven.

by CT-K-Stater on Dec 29, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

let me clarify

In the article, Snyder notes an obvious speedy defense, but does not say anything about the offense in these regards. Translation: they very well could be fast on offense, it just isn’t noted. But it’s a clear concern on defense.

My standpoint is, I’m ok if their defenders are faster than our offensive personnel. Just because they’re faster TO the play doesn’t mean we can’t execute our offense. It can diminish our affects, but that might just mean our scoring drives have more plays. As long as our offensive line can hold their blocks, this should have little to no affect (see Miami game) on our ability to score. Obviously the LBs are a bit of an x-factor in blitzing situations.

Sure it might give their DBs a better shot at an INT if they are faster than our WR, but it’s more likely that a ball was under thrown or overthrown anyway on that play than “speed differential”. Now if the reverse was true, that Arkie’s offense are faster than our defenders, that means we’ll likely struggle to catch someone on a long run, or get burned in the secondary, which makes it difficult to perform the function as defense.

You give a very good example of the 1992 Orange Bowl (not old enough to remember, but had to look it up), where Miami’s defense (if as fast as you describe) gave fits to Nebraska all game long and prevented them from scoring literally as they lost 22 to Zilch.

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by GTcat on Dec 29, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok, just watched some 92 Orange Bowl on YouTube

And I get what you’re trying to say. Geesh!

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by GTcat on Dec 29, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I'm with you here

Just trying to say you cannot coach speed. Which is why coaches are always concerned if they suffer from a speed differential. Having watched every ’Cats game this fall but one (the OU game due to a freak storm out here that day that knocked power out state-wide), the team I thought presented the greatest speed differential for us was Texas A&M. And we won (as you point out), so we know it is not something we cannot overcome.

The three concerns speed-wise I have are:
1) Their offensive skill positions. Do we have to keep our safeties so far back that Arkansas is able to get 10- and 15-yard gains underneath at will?
2) Special teams. Of course K-State excels here, but we are without our premier kick-return weapon (little Lockett) and, on the other side, Joey Adams is a phenom whom we can’t allow to get loose.
3) The Arkansas defensive line. Like you, I’m less concerned about their speed in the defensive secondary. But if their d-line is both as fast and strong as normal SEC d-lines than this could make for a long night for the K-State offense. Remember our difficulties offensively against Texas, which pushed around our O-line much of the night.

The thing with that ‘92 Miami defense was that their line was actually quite small weight-wise, yet they were so fast and athletic at every single position it was scary. Would have been the greatest national championship game ever if they had played Washington (which had a scary defense itself that year and plenty of offensive firepower to boot). If you watch some of Nebraska’s offensive plays closely you’ll see that when they ran simple power plays (where no linemen were pulling) their o-line was able to open holes – just that by the time their backs reached the line of scrimmage the speedy Miami D had already filled them.

by CT-K-Stater on Dec 29, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

SIU is not that good.

Losing to Evansville by 20 late in the first half.

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by Anon_the_younger on Dec 29, 2011 7:54 PM CST reply actions  

SIU lost by 18

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by Anon_the_younger on Dec 29, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Baylor's flat green helmets on green jerseys a pretty solid look

They should own this and rol with it. They seem to do different uniform combos with some taste and constraint. I doubt they have 34 different combos like OSU, but I could be wrong.

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by GTcat on Dec 29, 2011 8:09 PM CST reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing.

The helmets are very sharp.

Also, is Washington’s coach the same QB for BYU that beat us in the ’97 Cotton Bowl?

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by Jeremy Sharp on Dec 29, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

and why aren't you boycotting ESPN?

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by Anon_the_younger on Dec 29, 2011 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

because RG3 and Baylor are the college version of

“the greatest show on turf”

If you missed that last RG3 TD run, that’s your own fault!

My boycott excludes big12 games. All others I haven’t tuned in for. I tried using cbssports.com as my daily lunch break substitute for espn.com, but it didn’t last long. If cbssports had dedicated conference bloggers I’d probably for sure be switched over.

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by GTcat on Dec 29, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Oklahoma is giving Cincy fits.

9 minutes in, and Cincy has 2 points. They are 1 for 12 from the floor.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Dec 29, 2011 8:26 PM CST reply actions  

ok, now it is 6-5 OU. lol

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by Jeremy Sharp on Dec 29, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting.

I just noticed everyone on Washington’s O Line is wearing knee braces…every. single. guy.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Dec 29, 2011 8:31 PM CST reply actions  

quite a few teams do this.

300 lbs with most of the weight above knee level is not good for knee joints especially with twisting and such.

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by Anon_the_younger on Dec 29, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions  

My wrestling coach from high school played at Fort Hays

While he was there they were all required to wear knee braces for insurance purposes.

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by MeatGeek on Dec 29, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm so glad he will enter the draft

Griffin is a freak of nature!

Bitchslapping Texas since 1997

by mjk7166 on Dec 29, 2011 8:48 PM CST reply actions  

In all honesty, I don't see what else he has to accomplish in college

And I honestly don’t mean that in an athletic context (although that part is true too). I know the guy wants to go to Law School and all, but he graduated early and all from undergrad, he just seems like the type of person who wants to move on in his life to the next thing. And I think he’s done with that for now.

"Nor yet in Dell?"

by GTcat on Dec 29, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

This would be pretty sweet.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Dec 29, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

IT definitely looks like two of the worst defenses in college football, for sure.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Dec 29, 2011 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Correction
IT definitely looks like two of the worst defenses in college football(excluding KU), for sure.

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by MeatGeek on Dec 29, 2011 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

Also, “two of the worst” technically does not mean “THE worst”.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Dec 29, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of that...

Baylors defense is challenging that idea right now. Very, very fiercely they challenge.

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by MeatGeek on Dec 29, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, pretty weak right now.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Dec 29, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

So, I think my statement is fairly accurate.

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First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)

by Jeremy Sharp on Dec 29, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I'd say so

49-45 with 6 min left in the 3rd. Crazy.

by GCat on Dec 29, 2011 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

This is ridiculous.

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First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)

by Jeremy Sharp on Dec 29, 2011 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

And RG3 puts in on the ground.

Ooops.

screw this, I should be sleeping anyway.

by GrumpyCat on Dec 29, 2011 9:23 PM CST reply actions  

I'm sure he is...

he’s listed as a senior on the roster, so it doesn’t really matter if he is drafted or not, we won’t be seeing him again. I agree, he is pretty good.

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First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)

by Jeremy Sharp on Dec 30, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

yea, without Kendall Wright and Gannaway and RG3

I don’t think they’re a risk to have another 10win season next year with those departures. But I think Briles is good enough to pull off an 8-4 season next year with whoever that back-up was that played vs TT.

"Nor yet in Dell?"

by GTcat on Dec 30, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Need a defense worthy of the name!

Bennett can coach, but he needs the players.

"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain

BOYCOTT ESPN!

by Sean T on Dec 31, 2011 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

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