Kicking the Tires: Oklahoma State Cowboys
by TB on Nov 4, 2011 10:00 AM CDT
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Fresh off a 41-point loss to one school from the State of Oklahoma, K-State has to regroup to face another Okie school. Unfortunately for the Wildcats, this is the stronger version. And the game is on the road.
You'll see the stats below, but Oklahoma State is scary in just about every way imaginable. They can run, they can really throw, and while they give up a lot of yards, they don't give up a lot of points and they force turnovers. Did I mention that K-State has only once -- against KU, or course -- scored as many points in a single game as the Pokes average per game?
Players to Watch
K-State
Rushing: John Hubert, 134 carries, 708 yards, 5.3 yards/carry, 2 TD, 88.5 yards/game
Passing: Collin Klein, 90-154-3, 992 yards, 8 TD, 6.4 yards/attempt, 124 yards/game
Receiving: Chris Harper, 28 receptions, 320 yards, 11.4 yards/reception, 3 TD, 40 yards/game
Defensive Line: Ray Kibble, 23 tackles, 4.0 TFL, 1.0 sacks
Linebackers: Arthur Brown, 60 tackles, 5.5 TFL, 2.0 sacks, 1 INT
Secondary: David Garrett, 51 tackles, 3.0 TFL, 0.5 sacks, 2 INT
Oklahoma State
Rushing: Joseph Randle, 135 carries, 842 yards, 6.2 yards/carry, 16 TD, 105.2 yards/game
Passing: Brandon Weeden, 246-345-7, 2,710 yards, 22 TD, 7.9 yards/attempt, 338.8 yards/game
Receiving: Justin Blackmon, 74 receptions, 834 yards, 11.3 yards/reception, 104.2 yards/game
Defensive Line: Richetti Jones, 22 tackles, 3.5 TFL, 2.0 sacks, 1 INT
Linebackers: Caleb Lavey, 50 tackles, 1.0 TFL, 1 INT
Secondary: Daytawion Lowe, 58 tackles, 2.0 TFL, 2.0 sacks, 1 INT
Oklahoma State's offensive balance is incredible. The Pokes have thrown the ball 372 times against 270 runs (382/260 if you factor in sacks). So you can't load up on the run without getting burned by Weeden and Blackmon, among others, and you can't load the box and man up on the outside. Not that we would anyway, of course. Even worse, Oklahoma State has only allowed 10 sacks on the season, which is tied for 25th nationally. Bringing pressure isn't likely to result in a sack, and few quarterbacks are better than Weeden at beating the blitz.
I hesitate to even mention this, because it's easy to dismiss as a nonfactor, but it's supposed to be windy in Stillwater on Saturday. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's always windy on the Great Plains. But it's supposed to be really windy, with sustained winds of at least 20 miles per hour and gusts above 40 mph. Of course, by the time the game kicks off at 7:00 p.m. on the last day of Daylight Savings Time, the wind will probably have tapered off some.
Team Statistics (from CFBStats.com)
Rushing Offense
K-State: 209.9 yards/game, 20th nationally
Oklahoma State: 181.9 yards/game, 41st
Passing Offense
K-State: 130.5 yards/game, 113th
Oklahoma State: 373.3 yards/game, 4th
Total Offense
K-State: 340.4 yards/game, 93rd
Oklahoma State: 555.1 yards/game, 4th
Rushing Defense
K-State: 103.4 yards/game, 16th
Oklahoma State: 185.5 yards/game, 84th
Pass Efficiency Defense
K-State: 82nd
Oklahoma State: 25th
Total Defense
K-State: 381.3 yards/game, 59th
Oklahoma State: 455.6 yards/game, 110th
The good news? Oklahoma State gives up a lot of yards, and isn't particularly good against the run, which is K-State's offensive strength. Even better, K-State is very good at avoiding turnovers, which is what the Pokes thrive on. If K-State can establish the run and protect the ball, then the Wildcats will have a chance to hang with the Cowboys on Saturday.
But Oklahoma State's offense is going to be a nightmare for K-State's defense. I talked with a good friend today who played football, and he confirmed that K-State played 100 percent zone against Oklahoma. He thinks Chris Cosh should at least try some man-to-man defense, giving Nigel Malone the chance to jam opposing receivers at the line. Of course, the fear is that tall receivers, like Blackmon, will burn that type of coverage on fade and jump-ball routes given that Malone is only 5'10" and David Garrett is only listed at 5'8".
One thing we agreed on is that Arthur Brown has to get better in pass coverage. Keep an eye on him Saturday. Against the spread offenses in the Big 12, he's often pulled out of the middle of the field. The instincts that make him a good linebacker against the run hurt him in pass coverage, as he tends to get out of position in his zone because his instincts tell him to play a man.
So K-State has a chance to control the ball against Okie State, but things likely aren't going to go well when the Cats are on defense. What about the hidden-yardage stats? Glad you asked.
Turnover Margin
K-State: +9, 8th nationally
Oklahoma State: +19, 1st
Penalties
K-State: 44.0 yards/game, 31st
Oklahoma State: 58.1 yards/game, 83rd
Third-Down Conversions
K-State: 46.2 percent, 31st
Oklahoma State: 52.0 percent, 5th
Red-Zone Conversions
K-State: 85 percent, 40th
Oklahoma State: 89.1 percent, 22nd
Time of Possession
K-State: 34:23, 3rd
Oklahoma State: 27:14, 112th
It's no surprise that the huge differential is in time of possession. Like the other quick-strike offenses in the Big 12, Oklahoma State does not excel at holding on to the ball. But when you score 49.9 points per game, that's not a big deal. Through eight games, Oklahoma State has forced 29 turnovers, which is kind of a lot, but eight games is kind of a lot to call that a fluke. And when you have 29 takeaways, you can afford a fair amount of giveaways and still lead the country in turnover margin. Oklahoma State is turning the ball over more than once per game, and Weeden is throwing almost one interception per game on average. As usual, turnovers will be huge in this game. If K-State can take care of the ball and force a few turnovers, then the Wildcats have a chance to hang around. Wait, did I write that sentence already?
Because it seems like I'm repeating myself now, it must be time to wrap up this post. Writing this post has given me reasons to hope, but the hope is only that K-State is going to keep this game close, or maybe even just respectable. I hate to say that, because it sounds disrespectful to the players, who are busting their ass all week and trying to win every game. But beating Okie State would be a monumental accomplishment. K-State loses its second straight, 47-31.
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I think the Cats will lose by 3+ TDs
As soon as OSU gets up by more than 2 TDs, the Cats will start to pass and pass, and Klein will be a statue, and the game will end. If Blackmon has less than 200 yards, I’ll be surprised. I also think Weeden has a great chance to break his career high too. Yuck.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
One of the things I was really surprised at during the OU game ...
Was that we went the pass-pass-pass route when we got down by multiple scores in the 2nd half.
Doesn’t make any sense for this team in any scenario other than if we:
a) Are down a score really late and it’s our last chance
b) Are down multiple scores and it’s late enough we have to score quickly on each drive
We are who we are. With HBCK at the helm, we have to run. That includes when we’re down 3+ scores earlier than 10 minutes left in the game.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Nov 4, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I will say, though not disagreeing with you entirely
the pass-pass-pass route also came at a point in time in the 2nd half where the series before our runs didn’t get us much positive yardage either. So I think that was part of the three consecutive pass plays (that I didn’t like seeing either). Would of liked to see a Hubert swing pass or some more Wildcat formation with Pease at least once in that mix.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Agreed ... at that point in time, OU had figured us out quite a bit.
I guess I’d rather see either an adjustment along the lines of what you mention, or adjustments to our running game.
All I know is, whenever we end up one-dimensional this year and that dimension is the passing game … we are f*ed. So I’d like to see that option as the last resort, which I kind of didn’t think we had gotten to yet. Wouldn’t have made a difference last Saturday, I just don’t really want to see it cost us in a game that’s marginally more winnable … i.e. the defense actually makes a couple of stops at some point.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Nov 4, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Since KSU losing last week has officially ended all my superstitious "predict a win but still sound pessimistic" nonsense
So I will try a different tack this week.
We are going to win, and it will not be close. We are going to get the ball first, pound it down the field for 8 minutes, and score a touchdown.
OSU comes out, and Weedon throws one of his one per game picks to Nigel Malone. We drive down the field in 5 minutes and score another touchdown to go up 14-0 as the first quarter ends.
OSU gets a quick touchdown on the next drive, but KSU once again drives the ball for 8 minutes and get the touchdown, going up 21-7 with 5 minutes left. OSU is able to drive down the field, but can’t get into the end zone and attempts a field goal, which Guidry blocks. KSU runs out the clock and goes into the half with a 21-7 lead.
In the second half OSU comes out firing and gets another quick touchdown. KSU responds with (finally) a bona-fide screen that goes the distance. On the next drive the Pokes are starting to panic a little bit and end up punting, which Lockett returns for the touchdown. KSU goes into the fourth up 35-14.
OSU scores on a 3 minute drive to close the gap to 35-21, but KSU drives the field for another 8 minute drive and gets a field goal to extend the lead to 38-21. OSU starts passing like crazy, and drives the field, but can’t get into the end zone on fourth and goal. KSU runs out the clock to win the game, 38-21.
Would you like some Freys with that?
I'll take some of that
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
by BlackCats on Nov 4, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Help yourself.
You guys have to run out of new clarinet pics eventually, right?
Right?!
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Nov 4, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
If I have to buy a clarinet and take the pictures myself
this will never come to pass.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
by BlackCats on Nov 4, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is that a...
why yes, it IS a clarinet that has been turned into a pipe.
So, this clarinet player sucks instead of blows. :)
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by Jeremy Sharp on Nov 4, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Smoke, Smoke, Smoke that cigarette, son.
Gettin’ high on the fumes.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
I've had psychotic episodes before.
Wait….
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Nov 4, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks
Thanks for saving me 4 hours. I don’t have to watch the game now. Since you told me exactly what’s going to happen.
I live to serve.
And now you don’t have to watch any news reports or read any recaps either, since you have everything you need to know in this post.
Make sure to ignore any records next to the KSU name in any future articles you read on the Wildcats. Sometimes newspapers have editing errors and accidentally list extra losses, and I wouldn’t want you to think that my prediction had been wrong. Because that is the least most probable thing to happen.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Nov 5, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
As the team takes the field, each player touches the valve cap on the statue of Ol' Steel-Belted Radial for luck.
Roll Tire.
Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!
by MadCat on Nov 4, 2011 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Ummm...
When did tTSTC go KU? (Not that there’s anything wrong with that.)
How ’bout we just rub the bald spot.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Stick a penny in the tread,
All day long you’ll be ahead.
Go ’Nutz!
Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!
good post
One thing to add. Weeden has only thrown one interception since conference play started. He was a little erratic in non-conf play and has since settled down. That said, he is a bit of a gunslinger and is capable of throwing a couple picks when he forces passes into way too tight spots. Along these lines, I would absolutely agree with your assessment of playing a good mix of man and zone. Weeden will tear apart a pure zone secondary.
by samuelbryant on Nov 4, 2011 11:09 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
This has been mentioned before
but there is a difference between a QB throwing a pick, and a defender getting a pick. At least two of Malone’s interceptions have been because he jumped the route on a well thrown ball (TTU pick 6, and at least one last week against OU). Rat’s pick 6 against Kent State was also like this. Zimmerman’s pick against Franklin was also very similar.
Just because Weeden has cleaned up the sloppy gunslinging, does not mean we won’t be able to force a turnover (I’m not suggesting that is what you are saying either, samuelbryant). I think our guys should be able to be just as prepared to identify keys on certain routes against Weeden as they were to recognize keys against Doege and Jones (and Franklin).
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by Jeremy Sharp on Nov 4, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Good grief ...
Weeden not only looks too old for college ball … he looks too old for NFL ball.
Take a second look at the pic … I’m seeing Stan Humphries on his last legs.
I can’t tolerate these former MLB players in college ball. Former servicemen, I’ll take those guys all day. The former minor-leaguer stuff is just tired.
/untilKSUgetsone
by Itchy n Scratchy on Nov 4, 2011 11:15 AM CDT reply actions
I think I heard that he is older than 40% of active NFL QBs.
There should be an age limit. Or maybe I just need to go to grad school. After starting to aggressively work out again, of course.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Well,
Andy Dalton, Josh Freeman, Tim Tebow, Matthew Stafford, Matt Moore are all younger than Weeden. I’m sure there are others, those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head (and I only know NFL stuff because of fantasy football, otherwise I really don’t like the NFL).
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by Jeremy Sharp on Nov 4, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the NFL OK.
I just don’t have the passion for it that I do for college football.
I certainly get excited when the Chiefs/Chargers are doing well, but if they are doing poorly it doesn’t bother me too much.
And to be honest, if I wasn’t a K-State fan I don’t think I would be that into college football. I live and breathe K-State, so that is why I follow it so obsessively.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Nov 4, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Having a team you feel connected with definitely helps.
I am definitely more into college football than I am NFL, but I still have a hard time watching 2 teams I have no association with.
If the Bama/LSU game was not on at the same time as ours, I would most likely watch, but if my neighbor called me and asked me to go out to eat with him, I would likely go. There is no way I am missing a KSU game if there is a way I can see it (either in person or on TV).
I usually watch the BCS MNC game because it is usually entertaining, but I’m not going to be upset if I don’t get to see it.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Nov 4, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
pretty much the same here
I tried connecting with an NFL team, but they’re not on TV enough around here. It’s just not the same as college. Though I can usually be somewhat entertained by 2 random NFL teams, but I think that’s more of a by-product of me not doing much around the house on Sundays than anything. I can “not watch college football” if it doesn’t involve KSU…though if I’m at home I could almost watch any other aired conference TV game start to finish. It gets harder for me to watch Florida-Arkansas or worse yet, Stanford-Notre Dame or something like that. I would rather Roll Tire on BOTC than watch that junk…unless of course I see on a bottom ticker it’s a close game in the 4th qtr then I could sit down and watch.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Agreed.
It is much more likely I will watch another Big12 game start to finish than an SEC game (or dreadful B1G).
And yeah, I can sit and watch NFL games on Sunday, but that is really more for Fantasy football than anything else. I could just as easily watch reruns of “Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman” on Sundays to kill time. (Seriously, I like that show.)
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I like rooting for the Chargers because I grew up in San Diego...
and during that time they made a Super Bowl appearance (albeit one in which they were routed by the 9ers! ARRGH! Had to do extra chores for a week after that because I bet my mom they would win).
Also a (bad) Padres fan, because my baseball team would go to Padres games all the time. This was back when they had Tony (and at one point Chris) Gwynn. Unfortunately since watching baseball on TV usually bores me to sleep I don’t really follow it and have no idea how the Padres are doing as a franchise.
But, yeah, to get back on track, I usually only make it a point to watch the NFL because of FF. I’ll watch it, but I won’t avoid other things in order to watch it (unless the “other things” involve gardening).
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Nov 4, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I only watch the NFL to root for the Lions
And it’s been WAAAAAAY too many years since I’ve had reason to tune into a game, until this season.
Still have seen maybe 2. Can’t get into the NFL. I’ve always seen the NFL as a league for people who didn’t go to college, or went to a small school that they can’t follow consistently.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Speaking of Fantasy Football...
Would you (or anyone) be interested in joining my league next year?
The Fantasy Football League of Ordinary Gentlemen (FFLOG) is looking to expand beyond its current 10 team membership for next season. Would definitely like to get to 12 teams (for stability purposes), but would not be opposed to growing to a 16 team super league (you know, for the money associated with more entrance fees).
Anyone who is interested let me know, and I can get you more info on the league rules and whatnot.
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I am interested
Would depend on the entrance fee size.
I have to warn you, though I am not very good, just mediocre. I’ve been to lots of post-season play, but never made it to the big game. I also can only bring you the Perry-Lecompton market, but it is a fanatical market, so we make up in passion what we lack in numbers.
My team this year would be great if I had drafted anybody other than Chris Johnson in the first round. Ugh. I have Newton and Eli Manning, so I am set at QB. I have Steve Smith, Vincent Jackson and Nicks for my WRs, and I have Graham for my TE. My other RBs are Gore and Matthews, who have performed well, but have not been able to replace Johnson’s pre-season value. I have finally benched him for Chris Ogbonnaya this week. Awful.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Nov 4, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Some have said my league is a bit too rich for their blood.
$50 entry fee, and $5 transactions (free agent and waiver pickups).
The overall high scorer each week gets a $10 prize.
I am no FF guru (I think I have done FF now since 2003), have never won the big game (heck, I think 4th is the highest I have ever finished), but definitely have fun with it.
My first pick was LaSean McCoy. Not bad, but probably could have gotten better value with the 5th overall pick of the draft. Now, it has to be said that I run a PPR league, so a guy like McCoy (or even Sproles) has more value than in other leagues. I also give credit for return yardage (I did this with Sproles in mind, and then I went and drafted DT instead of Sproles…dumbest decision I made in the draft).
I stayed away from Peyton (and as a consequence all of the Indy WR and TE), Chris Johnson, and all Chiefs offensive players. With the exception of Garcon, those were all good players to avoid.
I got Big Ben as my QB, who is not great (but picked him up in the 5th or 6th round I believe), but landed Larry Fitzgerald (still waiting for him and Kolb to get on same page) and Hakeem Nicks.
Gore has turned out to be a big scorer in my league (so was McFadden until he got hurt). Fred Jackson has been a good performer as well. And since it is a PPR league, Wes Welker has generally been amazing. Fortunately the guy who got Brady did not get Welker as well. That honor went to the guy with Drew Brees and Fred Jackson. LOL!
Got a good group right now (there are three of us KSU homers in the league), just want to grow the pot a little bit and make things a bit more challenging.
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Yeah, that is probably a bit too rich for me.
I might be able to swing the $50 entry fee, but I love making waiver wire pick-ups, and would probably go bankrupt as a result.
Bring it up again in the summer and I’ll let you know for sure.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Nov 4, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
There is one guy who has made 14 transactions so far
I like doing that because it keeps people from just shopping for the hot guy week to week. However, if you are good at doing that, you could potentially get your money back when you win it all.
It also grows the pot.
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No, I'm not good at it
I’m just fickle.
Although I’ve been doing a good job of refraining this year, thanks to past years were I let go somebody who explodes two weeks later.
Are trades considered a billable transaction? Do you guys actually have a lot of trades go down? I n the league I am in, there are a few, but if someone isn’t interested in your trade offer they never respond to you. I find it to be really frustrating.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Nov 4, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Trades are not billable transactions
The idea was to encourage trading.
I guess the $5 hasn’t scared too many people though, because we are still waiting for our first trade of the season.
And we’ve had 49 transactions, or an additional $245 added to the original $500 pot.
$745 total pot, $140 in weekly prizes (weekly prizes not awarded during playoffs). #rd place gets $50 entry fee back, and remainder is split 70/30 for 1st and 2nd. $388 for 1st place…not too shabby.
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And I am not really good at it either.
I still have DT on my team, because I know he is gonna just explode at some point (he will likely be on my bench when that happens, but still). :)
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The trade thing is also a reason I want to expand the league
With only 10 teams, you can draft a pretty decent team. And there are still decent players available to pick up later. So people seem to be hesitant to actually trade players.
With added teams, the pool of players available to pick up after the draft shrinks considerably (especially if I could hit the homerun Larry Scott tried and expand to 16 teams).
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Till we get a Weeden of our own.
Then it will be just great.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
I could post the paper I wrote kinda along those lines if you want
It may not be my greatest writing ever, but I turned it in for my expos class so it’s decent at least… Just let me know if you want to read it and I can post it in a fan shot or something
Hey OSU… feel free to shit all over yourself this game
<3
http://igotitgames.com
Going to the Game this weekend
Haven’t been around this week, not exactly sure why. Maybe BOTC was part of the memory I deleted when I erased that 2nd half vs OU. Anyway I’ll be headed to Stillwater this weekend for what will be my first visit to a K-State road game. I’m thourougly excited about this. I’ve literally only been to a woman’s basketball game @ Allen Fieldhouse back in the Wecker days and the 1998 Big 12 Championship game that have been away from Manhattan.(Both of those were far more purple than the opposing color). I’m staying with some friends from juco days, drinking with them, and god willing I’ll be taunting them after a big, big Wildcat victory. I may put up a fanshot about my first experience at a true road game next week. See ya around BOTCers.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
have fun, this was supposed to be my yearly road game this year
have been trying to go to one per year since I graduated, I guess the 2nd half at KU will have to count this year (or a bowl game), but my buddy from Texas (this is the excuse I use to go hang with him for a weekend he lives near Denton) bailed on me.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I'll be there also
but in their student section. The ticket was $35 vs $90. I’m going in with the mentality of stroking their egos and conceding that we will probably lose, so that when we pull off the upset it will be all the sweeter.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
pass time by watching a couch
http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/lrnj6/the_couch_collective/
seems like they cut the part where they rode it to OSU and took out Blackmon and Weeden, but it works…
http://igotitgames.com
yeah, posted the reedit... vote them up!
… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGKnbzTkos8
http://igotitgames.com
Wow.
That is really awesome.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Nov 4, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
my cousins posted that on facebook a week ago
Pretty impressive. They weren’t involved, so this thing has truly gone viral if its coming back around now on a fansite
"Nor yet in Dell?"
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