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The Rise of John Hubert

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One fun way to chart John Hubert’s surge from redshirt freshman nobody to starting running back is to go Jeopardy-style, taking the journey from past to present with questions where John Hubert is always the answer.

This time last year, it was the rare question: Who is K-State’s 3rd string running back?

After William Powell’s injury, we got to a slightly more frequent, but no less insulting, question: Why doesn’t Daniel Thomas ever take any plays off?

Somewhere around the spring game, the question became one that came with a little bit of respect: How is it possible that Bryce Brown won’t be the starting running back for Kansas State next season?

At long last, probably not until the game against Kent St., or possibly even Miami, Hubert became the definitive answer for the question: Who is Collin Klein handing off to this week when we need to mix up the running game? 

And yet, even though he’s made it that far, it would still be nice to reach two more questions: Who is K-State’s best runner? And of course: Who do you want to be the starting running back?

Star-divide

Last season, Hubert got all of 28 yards on 12 carries, and 19 of those yards were gained on a night in Manhattan Lawrence when the Kansas defense had already rolled over and died.

For the Jayhawks left standing, I imagine the difference between trying to stop DT or Hubert was something like the difference between trying to stop a freight train and a child’s Thomas the Tank Engine playtoy.

For me, at least, handing him the ball was the equivalent of watching Luis Colon shoot a jump shot outside of about eight feet away from the basket. My instinct was to yell "NOOO!" any time it happened.

Like the rest of you, then, I was pleasantly surprised to see him taking advantage of huge holes and running for big yardage at Miami.

I was even more pleased to see him working through a crowd to get to the endzone in that game, or driving forward for 2 or 3 extra yards on several plays last week.

On the other hand, he leaves a lot to be desired. Anyone who says they didn’t watch those long runs and think to themselves about the touchdown that could have been with a little more speed is just lying to themselves.

The yards per carry average of 4.3 without the two 47-yard runs is a lot better than I expected when I looked that stat up just now and really quite acceptable, but it’s a little disappointing after two years of DT.

This is not a running back who is capable of going for 234 or 269 yards, unless he’s playing Kansas. Then again, Furnace might be able to break 200 yards against the 11 guys who try to defend the run for the Jayhawks.

I’m sure I’m not the only one to watch Angelo Pease out of the Wildcat and sometimes wish that he got more carries.

And no, I’m not even going to mention that other guy right now.

All things considered, though, I’m only a little frustrated to see Hubert in K-State’s backfield the majority of the time.

That’s a huge improvement from the anger I felt at the beginning of that season, and large parts of that frustration stem from an unfair comparison to past K-State backs, and the strong desire to find someone who can take more of the load off of CK’s remarkably strong shoulders.

As usual, maybe Bill Snyder knew what he was doing all along. It certainly didn’t seem that way at the time.

It’s quite interesting, and perhaps instructive, to briefly look back at scouting reports like this one from ESPN for Hubert, even if you’re like me and don’t have Insider access to read the whole thing.

The critiques are the same ones we’ve been saying amongst ourselves here at BOTC.

He’s too short. Too slow. Lacks explosiveness.

That single-season city of Waco rushing record that he broke his senior season, which was previously held by some guy named LaDainian Tomlinson? That was just a mirage. No way this kid is a big-time college back.

Hubert’s hometown school, a Baylor team that had won 10 conference games in the last 7 years, didn’t even bother to offer him a scholarship.

Hubert’s best offer outside of Manhattan came from Houston, who you’ll recall never was mentioned in the same sentence as the words "BCS conference" in those innocent days where all we talked about during football season was football.

If you would have told the scouts who rated Hubert as a two-star prospect that he would become a starting Big 12 back in three years and would rush for 166 yards at Miami for a team without much in the way of a passing attack, they probably would have asked you what you were smoking. But here we are.

In that sense, he’s already exceeded expectations.

Even better, all reports indicate that he’s the type of team player who will do just about anything his coach asks him to do, the type of guy who you can’t help but root for. Kind of like Collin Klein, actually.

Now, since the only competitive football I ever played was intramural flag in college, I don’t know a whole lot about football X’s and O’s, or the vision it takes to read your blocks, or any of that technical stuff.

But based on perception vs. reality in high school, and now in college, I’m guessing that rating Hubert’s running back IQ as merely "above average" is doing him a considerable disservice.

At the end of the day, the guy it looks like we all need to come to terms with as our starter has plenty of work left to do before we can anoint him as a good Big 12 running back, or even the best running back on the team.

Maybe the best compliment I can give him is that he's become the answer to the question: Who is most deserving of an opportunity to see if he can produce at a Big 12 level, regardless of how flashy he looks doing it?

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Fantastic. Well done, AA.

Hubert has been a very pleasant surprise. He may never be elite, but the guy can play.

by yeahboozin on Oct 4, 2011 6:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I've been talking this guy up for 2 years...

Whenever the beakers would ask,“what ya gonna do when DT ’s gone?” and I would say “don’t worry, we got a guy”. You just knew he had that something special, LT didn’t give him a call during his senior season just because he was having a good year.

It’s good to see him finally getting carries and recognition.

I love this article, AA.

by LC on Oct 4, 2011 7:02 PM CDT reply actions  

we played ku jn lawerence lsst year.

otherwise good writing.

The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 4, 2011 7:14 PM CDT reply actions  

An honest mistake

There were probably more KSU fans than KU fans still in the stadium by the point Hubert got in.

by smitty3268 on Oct 4, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oops

I got screwed up by the quirky Big 12 scheduling. I completely forgot we have to go there 2 years in a row, and I knew we were on the road this year. Thanks for the catch.

by Ahearn Alley on Oct 4, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

We will play there again next year after realignment.

/derp

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Oct 4, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

if that is the only issue w/ an article .... you done good.

The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
BOTC - Read the Adventures of the BigXII if you doubt our serious attitude towards sports.

by Anon_the_younger on Oct 4, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

My impression of Hubert is that he just does all the little things right

He’s consistently in the right place at the right time, and driving his legs to get extra yardage.

Sometimes that isn’t enough to overcome his athletic shortcomings, but when the O line is able to open some holes for him he can succeed.

I’d also like to see some more of Pease, but we have to remember he is brand new to the system. Snyder might not feel comfortable with him running more than just a portion of our offense at this point.

by smitty3268 on Oct 4, 2011 8:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Very good point

He’s the 2-star that turns into a starter we all love so much. His only issue is a certain other RB who gets more publicity than the latest skank in chick magazines.

"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain

by Sean T on Oct 4, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's really not his ONLY issue...

Hubert’s really growing on me, but his issues revolve around his lack of speed, not the fact that Bryce exists.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Oct 4, 2011 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the Baylor game he missed a few cutbacks and did read a few blocks othewise he gains nearly 100.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Oct 5, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

*not read.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Oct 5, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've been noticing he's been getting to the outside on sweeps and such fast

but once he gets there and there’s traffic he seems to struggle (at least at the Baylor game). If he can somehow find another half step and get to those openings, I think we’ll see some more of what we saw at Miami

"Nor yet in Dell?"

by GTcat on Oct 4, 2011 10:40 PM CDT reply actions  

It seems to me he doesn't have much of a "quick cut step" that can throw a defender off.

It’s either north/south or east/west but not much leg movement. Still, he’s turning into a pretty good lunch bucket back.

If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.

by ArkieCat on Oct 5, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

From the ESPN scouting report
ESPN Analyst
Updated 02/04/2009
Hubert is a good-looking running back prospect on film but simply lacks great speed at his size to garner major recruiting attention. Marginal height but is well-built and compact. Very strong upper- and lower-body with matching toughness as an in-line runner. Patient back with good vision and a feel for the cutback. Won’t blow you away with speed or great burst through the hole but consistently runs hard, downhill and possesses a workhorse-type running style. Does not waste much time squaring up and finding the north-south run seam. Built low to the ground and shows above average shiftiness through the hole without gearing down and losing much downhill speed and power. Displays good hips and quickness bouncing outside; loses very little in transition cutting laterally. Tends to build speed but can be difficult to tackle when he gains momentum and runs with good lean. Keeps his legs driving and bounced out of a lot of high arm- tackles in the game films we viewed. Showed good lower-body strength moving the pile in short-yardage situations and is a determined runner who fights for the extra yard. Flashes deceptive speed when he reaches the second level and is rarely caught from behind. However, he simply lacks an extra gear when he finds an open seam and could have difficulty separating at the next level from faster pursuing defenders. More of a short-strider hindering acceleration and top-end speed. Not real elusive in space and most yards currently stem from decisive, downhill running; in-line production and YAC will be harder to duplicate at the D-1 level with his current size. Overall, we still feel Hubert is a kid with the body structure and running style to carry the load for a team and wear down a defense if he can continue adding size and body strength.

Notes
2008: Rushed for 1,877 yards and 27 touchdowns. Class 4A First Team All-State selection…

The analyst saw potential in him, and it looks like HCBS brought it out, just like he’s done with so many others

by jtarkman on Oct 5, 2011 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

and yes, I do pay for insider. I had a choice between that and a GPC.com membership, and ESPN just gives me way more value for my money.

/justsaying

by jtarkman on Oct 5, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

an ESPN insider membership gets you

ESPN the Magazine (ooh how exciting)
Recruiting info (handy at times)
but most importantly…
ESPN Fantasy Football Draft Analyzer.

You can get the draft analyzer by itself, but for only $5 more you be a full fledged insider. Now I can read all the articles on the site. (and I’m undefeated in both of my fantasy leagues).

First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)

by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 5, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

And if you follow dailysteals

at all, you get a year of insider for $1.99. :-)

'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert

by VegasCat07 on Oct 5, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

WHAT!?!?

Now I feel like I was ripped off!

First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)

by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 5, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually dont use it for fantasy

I am a general sports nut, I dont limit myself to just K-State sports, and there are a lot of articles that I read that are insider. And yes, I actually do enjoy getting The Mag, sometimes there are some really cool stories in there

by jtarkman on Oct 5, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Body issue is this month, I think

First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)

by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 5, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

and I was actually being serious.

I am an insider, I DO enjoy being able to read any and everything they have on their site (even if some of it turns out to be garbage), and I DO use the draft analyzer. Not sure that is why I’m undefeated in both my leagues, but I don’t think it hurt me any.

First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)

by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 5, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish I could NOT get "The Mag"

but otherwise enjoy my insider status.

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just file it in the round filing bin when it comes in.

First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)

by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 5, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

apparently the reverse is true too

A mag subscription gets you insider access, which I didn’t know until about 2 months or so before my subscription (I got as a gift essentially) was about to run out at which point I didn’t want to deal with another login and username and password.

"Nor yet in Dell?"

by GTcat on Oct 5, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

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