K-State Slate: 10.3.11
by TB on Oct 3, 2011 6:01 AM CDT
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K-State Football
Baylor's Robert Griffin III lived up to the hype, but it was Collin Klein and K-State who got the win on Saturday.
Actually, it's more than a little unfair to give Klein top billing like that. While Klein was his usual tough, gritty self out there, it was K-State's defense who provided the big plays in the clutch, with special recognition to Ray Kibble, Arthur Brown and Jordan Voelker.
K-State got the win even though the defense had no answer for Baylor's Kendall Wright, who finished with a school-record 201 receiving yards. Fear not, K-State fans, as Baylor still has to play KU, and it's likely Wright will smash that record against the Jayhawks.
With the win, K-State vaulted into the national rankings at No. 20. We'll let you know where they end up in this week's BlogPoll.
Bill Snyder is the silver fox, the lion in winter, the only 71-year-old who can get a bunch of college students to listen to his stories and buy into his system.
Big 12 Scores
I'll have more on each Big 12 game in Postgame Reaction, but for now here's a little bit about the weekend that was in the Big 12.
Arkansas beat Texas A&M 42-38...oh, wait, that's an SEC game. Never mind. Check out I Am The 12th Man for Beergut's ever-balanced analysis.
After spotting KU 20 points, Texas Tech roared back for a 45-34 win in Lawrence on Saturday. On the heels of this disappointing home loss, Vegas pegged KU as 29-point underdogs to Oklahoma State next weekend in Stillwater.
Texas dominated Iowa State, cruising to a 37-14 victory that wasn't even that close.
Oklahoma hammered Ball State, 62-6. But the Sooners are more excited about the Red River Shootout next weekend than they are a slapdown of Jason Whitlock's alma mater.
Conference Realignment
Missouri's board of curator's faces a difficult decision regarding its conference alignment, complicated by political factors involving the second-largest city in its state and the opinions of fans, many of whom lack the information required to make such a decision.
The presidents of each Big 12 institution had a conference call on Sunday, and Chip Brown reports ttweets that one Big 12 administrator is optimistic Mizzou will remain with the Big 12.
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Thought I might add this here
An article talking about David Garret and how he’s a badass midget playing linebacker or some such.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
Thanks for the link to Beerguts analysis
it was very informative. I can’t figure out how to tie my shoes now but oh well…..
I really enjoyed that Mellinger article
But there’s another old man who still does just fine with current players, Joe Paterno, and Joe’s ~115 years old I think.
An article about Tigger hunting – http://cjonline.com/sports/2011-10-02/now-ranked-cats-hunting-bigger-prey
UT seems to have their swagger back (and ISU isn’t THAT good), but let’s see how well the Moo Cows fare against the Land Thieves.
Is Missouri really THAT desperate? The University that would (and possibly has) performed sexual favors to get into the Big 10, would really slum in the SEX conference? I hope not.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
They're just enjoying their fifteen minutes and milking it to seem as "important" as possible.
They’ll stick around.
And if they leave, we’ll find a replacement. They’re not Oklahoma.
This is the attitude that's already cost the Big XII a quarter of its conference members
I don’t like the fact that Mizzou has to pull stunts like this to get any meaningful change, but that’s how the Big XII is run. If you don’t like it, blame Texas/Oklahoma/A&M/Nebraska.
Mainly, it's just "Have-Not" fatigue, man ...
The ability to be patient with all this is really slip-sliding away from us fans of the true have-nots … the schools that really have no options, held hostage by everyone else.
I can see what Mizzou is doing and see that it can do everyone in the conference a lot of good. And at the same time, it all pisses me off.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Oct 3, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I understand that
It does get old. But with Oklahoma going all in on a pair of two’s, Mizzou is the only school left with any kind of leverage. Texas doesn’t have the counter leverage that they had last year due to the Pac-12 choking on the LHN, and with a quarter of the conference already gone, no one is buying the “we’ll just replace you with TCU and no one will notice” line that worked last year. Mizzou obviously isn’t acting in a purely altruistic manner. Who knows, maybe it’s purely self-interest. But right now, it looks like Mizzou is the only option left for meaningful change in the conference. Regardless, it will probably all come to a head tomorrow.
I just am not sure Missouri actually has enough leverage to cause the changes.
If they can and this is their move to help the rest of us, then thank god for Mizzou and I’ll have newfound respect for them. I’m just not sure I believe anyone cares enough about Missouri staying to take their demands seriously. Perhaps I’m wrong there.
But this whole process has me completely disillusioned with the concept that these institutions try to do anything other than benefit themselves. InS sums it up perfectly. It’s just fatigue.
I think KC and STL and the rest of Missouri mean the conference's governing bodies (you know, Dodds and Boren) have to care
They don’t like it, but at least I think they’re talking.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
by Sean T on Oct 3, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I get irritated
When ABC decides to show Big 10 games instead of Big 12 games here in St. Louis. Fortunately I was at the KSU game this weekend, but I heard they pulled that stunt again this past weekend like they do most of the time showing Ohio State – Michigan State over KSU – Baylor. You figure they would at least show conference games, especially when they mention television markets in this whole conference shifting mess. It gets old.
by TallGuyJoe on Oct 3, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
St.Louis is an Illini market. KC is kU/KSU/UNL market. That's why the Big12 want Mizzou to leave so they can bring in Louisville.
Everything the B12 says is that there’s no damage if MU leaves. Rice is a better replacement.
Ecokat, it's what's for dinner 10/8/11. Roll Tiger!
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 3, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pulling for Arky State.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
That should put the fear of god into the ess eee see! We'd be hunting in their backyard!
(albeit with a cap gun)
Ecokat, it's what's for dinner 10/8/11. Roll Tiger!
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 3, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I meant to replace Mizzou.
With them and Mizzou State, and we’ll have replaced Mizzou’s TV market share.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I know. I still consider myself part of the B12 for the moment.
Go MSU bears!
Ecokat, it's what's for dinner 10/8/11. Roll Tiger!
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 3, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I pretty much echoed Itchy's stance on RMN...
It’s just getting to be too much.
Look, I understand Mizzou is doing what they can to enact reforms. My ‘hope’ is that OU and OSU are now on board knowing that they’ve tested the waters and they have no better options either.
What we have here is a situation where Texas really has two options if they want to keep the LHN: Independence or Big 12. No other conference will take them with it, and they want it. The balancing act is how to let them keep it and how to effectively neuter it at the same time. Some of the ideas floating around are really solid (portions of tier 3 revenue are distributed equally to the conference). But the truth of the matter is that Texas is now, essentially, going one on eight for what they want. And I think, over time, we’ll start smoothing some of their edges and getting them more in line with the rest of the league.
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Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
Or let loose the Danny Juice.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
I'd have less problem with Mizzou pulling this stunt to get concessions
if they hadn’t already expended energy trying to get into bed with the Big-10. The more time spent on hoping Mizzou comes around is the less time the conference has to lock down expansion possibilities, particularly as the Big Least has coming-together koombaya sessions and talks adding its own new members.
I hope Mizzou stays; keeping them is a benefit to the conference. I understand their frustrations; those are just as easily shared by Iowa State, Baylor, TTU, Kansas and K-State. But their $hit is wearing real thin.
Mizzou was trying to get equal revenue sharing before realignment began
They were also pointing out that they had two Big Ten schools sitting on their borders making $11 million a year from the BTN. I also suspect Mizzou was a player back in 2007 when Nebraska threatened to leave the conference if equal revenue sharing was implemented. In all cases though, they were shut down by the Fearsome Four or by Dan Beebe. So it’s not as if Mizzou had a come to Jesus moment after getting rejected by the Big Ten like Oklahoma did after getting rejected by the Pac-12.
by Gaknar on Oct 3, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Just saying – the act is getting old, regardless of reasons. I sympathize with Mizzou’s concerns, I do. They are very real – and are shared by K-State and others. Just make a decision already.
On the "just make a decision" vibes ...
I don’t mean for this to sound like a lecture. I am offering it as a lesson that you may want to use in business, when going through a divorce (hopefully never) or many other situations in life. And yes, I am going to draw on my over 30 years experience as a trial lawyer in offering these insights.
This consolidation madness has caused psychological discomfort and many want a quick resolution because they believe it will resolve the discomfort. But this "vibe" gives the adversary an advantage: the adversary knows you don’t like the discomfort, and that you "want to get it over with." You have given your opponent an advantage in the negotiation he should not have.
The forgotten five will never have more leverage over Sooner and Longhorn than exists at this moment. That leverage should not be reduced by impatience caused by mere psychological discomfort. Got to be strong and patient. You get a better deal on the courthouse steps. Or right before the crap hits the fan.
For what it is worth.
oh hail the Purple and White
by Furnace76 on Oct 3, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
And if Mizzou ultimately opts to leave?
I understand your points and agree on strategy. But…if Mizzou ultimately bolts we’ll have been put through this nonsense once again with nothing but another debit in our membership ledger to show for it. Perhaps worse, it will have gone on while potential expansion possibilities may have slipped through our fingers.
The recent bout of Sooner insanity knocked everyone off their compass, so Mizzou’s real concerns about long-term security are natural and understandable, as is the exploring of their options with the SEC.
But as much as I’d like them to stay, the act has worn real, real thin.
Then the rest of the "forgotten ...whatever" should head for the Big East
In fact, KU/KSU/ISU/Baylor should all be (quietly) threatening now, that that’s what they’ll do if Missouri leaves.
To reiterate what Furnace said: You have leverage in a negotiation, precisely as long as you are willing to walk away from it. The best deal will go to the side that needs to cut a deal the least.
UT and OU are stuck at the moment. Nobody will take Texas with the Longhorn Network as is, and they really don’t want to be independent. The Big 12 will be able to live with it, in a modified form. OU is pretty much out of options too.
The Big East would accept all the schools I mentioned at the top in a heartbeat, if they asked. That’s probably a step down for them from the Big 12, but it’s not a disastrous one. So UT/OU have to at least honor the threat. The Big 12 is currently more important to those 2 than it is to just about anybody else. Which gives everybody else the advantage, and they should press it for all it’s worth.
Unfortunately, this is not a realistic option
Those schools aren’t going to forfeit 75% of their revenue just to join a conference on even more shaky ground than the B12. The only thing threatening to do this would accomplish is to piss off the other schools.
We don't wanna piss off OU and Texas?
Really? I would love it if they got pissy about us threatening to leave.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
Or you could look at it like if we'd been standing up to Texas the whole time instead of caving in on votes, they wouldn't be f'ing with us now because they know we mean it.
Instead we always bent over and took it because we thought it was best for the conference just to go along with what Texas wanted.
Ecokat, it's what's for dinner 10/8/11. Roll Tiger!
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 3, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't deny Texas got it's way too often to be healthy for this league
That’s clear.
I just think throwing around baseless threats right now is a lot less useful than sitting down and trying to work out an actual compromise that both sides can live with.
MU actually has options, they have real leverage right now, and the rest of us should support them in that. If MU stays and gets something done, we’ll all owe a large debt.
On the other hand, if you guys end up leaving i’m going to be pissed at you, too.
Why isn't it realisic?
I’ll agree that it’s a mediocre at best option, and certainly worse than a revamped Big 12, but I don’t think it’s particularly worse than staying in the Big 12 if Texas is still calling the shots.
A Texas-centric Big 12 might not be as immediately creaky as the Big East, but I don’t think it will offer any better long term stability. And if Texas doesn’t give up anything significant at this point, they never will, and there’s no real point waiting around for it.
I’d hope that any such threat would be primarily a negotiating tactic, but even then it has be reasonably plausible and credible to work.
It could be made to work, but it's worse than the B12 in every possible way
Payday: 20 million vs 5 million if we’re lucky.
Travel: regional games versus traveling to south florida
Competition: going to a decidedly 2nd tier league, which might actually make us more successful in the long run, but clearly less prestigious.
Stability: Everyone is fleeing the Big East the second they get an invitation. The ACC, SEC, and B1G could all pick it apart in the next few years. The B12 isn’t that much better, but it will be around as long as OU/Texas want it to be, and they both have strong reasons to stay at least for now.
The situation was different before Syracuse and Pitt left for the ACC. At that point, the Big East seemed like the most stable league and bringing in the North teams would have only strengthened it. But now the situation is the opposite.
Texas running the league is unhealthy in the long run, and infuriating in the short term. But that’s just emotions, we need to look at this rationally.
Threatening to cut off our nose to spite our face is not a smart move tactically. It’s a fallback position and everyone knows it. We should definitely be having talks with them to make sure that if the worst happens we have a spot to fall back to, but no one will take a threat to leave for it seriously.
You're right, it definitley is a fallback position.
That would be a big part of why I stuffed a parenthesized “quietly” into my original suggestion. However, what’s Texas’ fallback position? The only thing they can do and keep the Longhorn network is go independent, which I think they legitimately don’t want, and they appear unwilling to give up the LHN to get into a conference.
I don’t see any options that they would qualify as even “acceptable”. We at least have an “acceptable” option, even if it really isn’t any more than that. It’s kind of a case of “In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.”
I think Texas -> Independent and OU -> SEC are as acceptable to them as the Big East would be for us
But certainly whispering about the Big East behind closed doors is probably a good idea. I didn’t see the “(quietly)” before.
I don't know why Mizzou isn't working with
OU/OSU, TT as they are probably (with the exception of OU, they are clear cut #2 power broker) the strongest institutions next in line and together should be able to get what they want done by themselves. Not to mention the remaining schools probably would go along with whatever those second tier schools are able to do.
If you simply compare OSU and Mizzou to each other, Mizzou by itself probably carries more weight just based on how their THE state institution in Missouri with the population size they are. We lose a lot of TVs with that state. Obviously with T.Boone Pickens, their eleventybillion golf & wrestling titles, their basketball reputation (not necessarily tradition), and close pairing with OU they have quite a debate working for that #3 power spot as well.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
after their run at the PAC, doubt OU/OSU and MU are working together much.
Now sign over your tv rights after the PAC said no? We moved for that last year!
Ecokat, it's what's for dinner 10/8/11. Roll Tiger!
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 3, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
So first you wanted to sign over rights, but now you don't
Sounds an awful lot like the way Nebraska and A&M were against revenue sharing, until all of a sudden it was the most important part of a conference.
No. Now to do it on Tx and Ou terms means we're screwed only for 6 years while the rest of realignment gets settled.
By then the B1G and SEC will be all full up, and only Tx Ou and their 2 sisters will have a spot left in the PAC. The only reason Tx and Ou are willing to do it now is it screws the rest of us out of any opportunity to find a stable home.
Ecokat, it's what's for dinner 10/8/11. Roll Tiger!
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 3, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
our national lab will be going by that point.....
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 3, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes. but we aren't all as big time as the Little Apple.
Ecokat, it's what's for dinner 10/8/11. Roll Tiger!
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 3, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
This is true.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Agree Spider
this Johnny come lately on the 6 yr deal by Longhorn and Sooner is a ruse. May be the best we can get, but unless other changes are made in governace, it is a short term solution. I do not trust Sooner at all, and we know what Longhorn is about.
oh hail the Purple and White
you do realize it has a little bit to do with the re negotiating
of tier 1 rights. So there’s an overlap of 1 year under the new contract. So if the next AD can’t secure a lucrative deal, the institutions have a way out. Responsibility lies in the hands of the next AD
"Nor yet in Dell?"
By "AD", I assume you mean "Commissioner."
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Yes but it's shortsighted at that term.
We need to think in the terms of 10 to 20 years to really solidify the value and future of our brand, and thus our tv contract offers.
Ecokat, it's what's for dinner 10/8/11. Roll Tiger!
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 3, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
well only recently did the PAC-12 ask for the rights from the schools
And only the B1G asked for them prior to that. So really this handing over of rights to the conference is a relatively new thing.
Russia asked people to hand over their rights, and they were quite stable for a long time too…
10 years vs 6 years = much more solid? Look I agree given the people involved 6 years isn’t too comforting, but it’s not to say they can’t renegotiate another timespan when the new tier 1 contract comes up that overlaps the tier 2 contract by 1 year similar to the way this is.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Russia?
I think you mean the USSR there comrade.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
Yes but we're the most dysfunctional bunch. Look what we've done lately compared to the B1G and PAC and SEC.
Which needs extra assurances of stability?
Ecokat, it's what's for dinner 10/8/11. Roll Tiger!
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 3, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Get a load of Spider...
he thinks UT cares about the Big 12 brand.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
If you drop the "our"
and replace it with “their”, as in
We need to think in the terms of 10 to 20 years to really solidify the value and future ofourtheir brand
well, then he’s onto something.
true, true.
Ecokat, it's what's for dinner 10/8/11. Roll Tiger!
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 3, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I had a Big 12 brand "rant" back a few weeks back.
UT could give a crap about our brand.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Oct 3, 2011 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not at all
Last year there was a strong incentive to stabilize the conference, and Mizzou was still smarting from the PR disaster of being stiffed by the Big Ten. Three schools refused to sign over rights, Texas, Taxes A&M and Oklahoma. One year later, all three of those schools were trying to leave while Missouri, having been put in charge of the board, was trying to hold everything together. When Oklahoma’s gambit blew up in their faces and they suddenly decided that signing over rights in the name of loyalty was a good idea, I don’t blame Mizzou at all for saying “Fool me once…” It’s not hypocrisy, it’s an acknowledgement that Oklahoma and Texas aren’t exactly trustworthy at this point. I think Mizzou would be willing to sign away the rights, they just want assurances that Oklahoma and Texas aren’t going to pull this same stunt for the third time.
by Gaknar on Oct 3, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, they wanted to save the conference this year,
until it actually seemed like the conference had been saved?
“I see,” said the blind man, to the deaf man, who was pissing into the wind. “It’s all coming back to me now.”
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I think we might differ on definition of "conference saved."
Maybe an eye of the beholder thing.
Ecokat, it's what's for dinner 10/8/11. Roll Tiger!
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 3, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
And here I was thinking "conference saved" meant that the conference had been saved from falling apart.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I think 'patched' is more appropriate.
Mizzou was pushing for the saved, unrealistically.
Ecokat, it's what's for dinner 10/8/11. Roll Tiger!
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 3, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Its too bad power doesn't come from conference victories...cause we would be #3.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
I really like Chuck Neinas.
Playing the KC angle. Playing KU rivalry angle.
Well done. WELL DONE.
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by Panjandrum on Oct 3, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes. We need to keep the Big 12 Basketball Tournament at Kemper Arena.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 3, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kemper?
I believe they built a more superior venue…
Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.
Making fun of Neinas
He had a phone conference interview thing where he pitched for Missouri to stay. One of the reasons he listed was:
Where is the basketball tournament? Kemper Arena.
I can’t find the full transcript or this quote on the internet, otherwise I would link, but I heard it played on the radio.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 3, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah - I've been out of the loop.
I didn’t get that reference…
Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.
I worry that some of his statements though might come accross too much like
He’s putting words into the mouths of Mizzou officials, and how that might make them feel as a governing body. I would rather him offer up expose on why he thinks it would be smart for Mizzou to stay, but then finish up with something like “but I have to respect the officials their and let them determine what they feel is right for them”. That’s all I have to say about that.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
by GTcat on Oct 3, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There's a lot of good cop-bad cop going on
Which is much better than last year’s bad cop-CIA interrogator dynamic that was being used against Mizzou.
I really wish that players would stop using the same &%$# template everytime
they need to apologize. It becomes particularily glaring when you are Jonathan Brown of Illnois and you are apologizing for kneeing someone in the groin and you forget to include the owner of the gonads you assulted in the apology.
copy and pasted quote:
“I wanna apologize to my coaches, fans and family for the way I acted yesterday. I acted out of charecter [sic] and it was embarrassing and it won’t happen again.”
New/Old News
AP story via the Eagle
Basically what we already know, but I like the equal sharing of tier 1 & 2 rights.
Our loyal vassals at Barking Carnival have previewed next week's games
Here’s their take on K-State vs. Missouri:
This makes two weeks in a row that the ABC 2:30 broadcast will be LIVE FROM THE LITTLE APPLE! Last week the Wildcats under Wizard Snyder made a huge play when it mattered to knock off Baylor. The current line on their matchup with the Tigers is right on the nose with the stat model but it seems the power rating model believes in Snyder Magic. And the numbers show that Kansas State is indeed the squad with the power/stat discrepancy. Probably some of that Manhattan Magic that I refuse to pick against. All Longhorn fans know that we are owned by the purple cats, so I am unwilling to offend our masters by picking against them. Mark it down as an outright Kansas State victory.
Wow, that from a Texan?
Who’s yer daddy!
Ecokat, it's what's for dinner 10/8/11. Roll Tiger!
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 3, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
This is why I can't get too mad at Longhorn
they have a sense of humor (a byproduct, no doubt, of self-confidence) about things like this. If the Huskers had any sense of humor, or a realization that streaks in football are cyclical, they would still be a memeber of the conference.
oh hail the Purple and White
by Furnace76 on Oct 3, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
I hope the Big Ten doesn't sue the Big XII under lemon laws.
by Gaknar on Oct 3, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
I'm pretty sure that was an "as-is" sale.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Oct 3, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, you just come here, bring the funny, and get rec's?
I like your style.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
Similar to KSB's knowledge, Gaknar's funny is boundless.
Ecokat, it's what's for dinner 10/8/11. Roll Tiger!
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 3, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like to think that my funny is boundlesser than my knowledge...
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Almost all of Gaknar runs green.
Except for the gold and black parts of course.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Oct 3, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even their previews from the Baylor game are entertaining.
I like that site!
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They're right up there with the best
You might also want to dig back through the archives and find their pre-season preview of the ’Cats.
“In case you missed his horrific QB play for Kansas State in 2009, imagine Andy Kaufmann had he pursued football instead of wrestling, paired with the athleticism of Carson Daly, and you have the abject failure that was Carson Coffman.”
Damned he’s good.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
That Barking Carnival...
with their streets of gold and diamond studded oil derricks in Austin. No wonder we looked austere and primitive. Just for that I put another needle in the doll under my bed of Bevo.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
please clarify
under my bed of Bevo
sleeps with cows?
8-)
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 3, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Bevo doll under my bed. Don't tell UT where it is though.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Oct 3, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Err...that doesn't sound good either.
Look…a squirrel.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Oct 3, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does that require batteries or lube?
/not that there’s anything wrong with that
Ecokat, it's what's for dinner 10/8/11. Roll Tiger!
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 3, 2011 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
The PAC would sue concerning Colorado under the lemon law except,
they knew what they were getting and they wanted it. A second tier win in most years.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
Brah?
You notice the Big 12 logo has like mountains and surf in it now…that’s like totally rad.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
Anyone else having "Content Encoding Error" problems when loading BOTC pages today?
Seems to happen every other time I try to load a new page.
Would you like some Freys with that?
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