K-State Slate: 10.26.11
by TB on Oct 26, 2011 7:03 AM CDT
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K-State Football
Defying the odds isn't a bad thing at K-State, which is a good thing because, as we all know, the odds on K-State have been, and still are, pretty long.
K-State's 2003 Big 12 championship trophy adorned the display case at Vanier yesterday. No word on whether that was a ploy for Oklahoma week or whether it was just replacing the Governor's Cup.
The next four weeks on K-State's schedule will be as difficult a four-game stretch as almost any school will face all season.
West Virginia
The deal is not done, but every indication is that West Virginia will announce it is joining the Big 12 in the near future. Welcome, 'Eers.
Robinette writes that travel costs will rise with West Virginia in the Big 12. I doubt the difference will be noticeable.
For some reason, Frank Martin is stoked about West Virginia joining the Big 12. I can't figure out why.
College Football
All kinds of good stuff at the mothership. Spencer's Alphabetical (including Bill Snyder and phenomenal Angry Paul Rhoads .gif), Bill's Numerical, BlogPoll (Bracket's absence from the Coulter/Kos standings should be solid proof that we're not being disrespected here), and Bill's Market Adjustments (again, featuring a shocking lack of disrespect for K-State).
The Missouri Saga f/k/a Conference Realignment
Brady Deaton has narrowed down Missouri's window for making a decision to either days or a week or two. Decisive leadership, that.
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Call me petty, immature, unrational, or whatever.
But I’m disappointed to see TDWSNBN.
But again, there’s not rational hate here. Just hate for hate’s sake.
screw this, I should be sleeping anyway.
I am shocked, OUTRAGED, that KSU is not getting more disrespect!
Will the (lack of) disrespect never end!?
Would you like some Freys with that?
Gee, Robinett made a poor argument?
Color me surprised.
I like the West Virginia pickup. I’ll like it even more if we get to 12 teams by adding Louisville and (presuming Mizzou bolts) Cincinnati. I would have liked for PItt to have been among the teams added, but the ACC did a great job pulling the trigger with them and Syracuse.
But if the conference pulls the trigger on Notre Dame (or any school) for only a partial set of sports, that’s a huge mistake. The Big 12 Conference should be all or nothing.
Add Louisville and Bringham Dame...
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Oct 26, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
No. No Brigham Dame. No partial memberships.
If we take Brigham Young, we take them for all sports. If Notre Dame won’t bring football, they don’t get to join us for anything.
by AMS on Oct 26, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think you're understanding Notre Dame's mindset, though.
They’re going to stay independent in football, unless circumstances force them not to. And the only circumstance I see forcing them to relinquish that would be four 16-team super conferences. I appreciate (and KIND of agree) with your sentiment, but I wouldn’t hate it at all if Pan’s Brigham Dame scenario came about.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I object to the casual dismissal of the alternate monicker Notre Young.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Oct 26, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Notre Young was so much better with Crosby, Stills and Nash.
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And is BYU unwilling to bring non-football sports?
Because I’d rather see all BYU than BYU football/Notre Dame everything else.
ND fits the geographical profile better for the non-revs.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I want the Smiths back for this game!
Harper and Lockett have done well, but the more the merrier.
Vanier doesn’t have the 2003 trophy on display permanently? Why not?
A fun stat from Weber before the game on Saturday (I hope I heard this right) – No KSU football team has ever won 5 or more games by a TD or less in a season. This team has already done that (indeed, did it through 6 games). I don’t remember any of Snyders teams being good in close games. There was a 1 point win over the Nubs in 2000, and that’s all I remember for close wins. Close losses are UT at home, CU in Boulder, OU in 2000 conference title game.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
And a preview of the game (weird editing notwithstanding) -
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1120143.html
“Statistically, the Sooner run defense is terrific, but it had problems with Missouri and its mobile quarterback, James Franklin, and it gave up yards to the Texas backs and was gouged in key moments by Texas Tech’s tandem of DeAndre Washington and Aaron Crawford. OU can be run on, but it’ll require patience and several big third down throws.” – I agree. OU is very talented, but they’re no LSU or Bama. I believe the Cats will be able to run, but it won’t likely be pretty, particularly early on.
However, I think the key to the game is how awful OU’s red-zone offense is, and how good the KSU red-zone defense has been. If the Cats make OU work (no more long TDs like against Griffin!), I think the Cats will win by forcing FG attempts by their not-great kicker.
It seems to me the preview is missing that Jones isn’t very good away from home. Yeah, KSU’s D isn’t as talented as FSU’s, but they’re healthy and they’re smart (if if they can’t always tackle), and Jones wasn’t impressive against FSU, or KU for that matter. I hope the Cats can get a pass rush early and whack Jones a couple of times, and the crowd stays up and angry.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
For the most part, you are correct ...
Snyder teams did win close games in the early to mid 90’s … pre-Bishop, let’s call it. Off the top of my head, I can remember KSU winning close games @Minny, @OSU, ku in 1993-94. Won a nailbiter @Mizzou in 1994-95. Won @Cincy in a classic finish in 1995-96. Won @aTm and beat Tech at the wire in 1996-97.
Then Bishop came and (early breaking-in period notwithstanding), we started annihilating a lot of teams. One common thread among Snyder teams after that was that in the KSU losses, the team would get behind by multiple scores to the really good teams, claw its way back into the game, then lose by less than a TD, just running out of time in the end. It happened repeatedly.
But when those Snyder teams won, they usually kicked the crap out of the other guys.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Oct 26, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Great memory
I was also thinking of the mid-1990s (particularly that wonderful, glorious 1993 season where K-State finally emerged from the shadows – or shall we say the catacombs of a deep basement? – to enter the college football conversation in a positive way). You pretty much nailed most of those tight games – including the comebacks in ’93 on the road against Minny and Okie State and the amazing final-play game at Cincy in ’95. There was also a huge comeback against Iowa State up in Ames in ’99; I think the final was 35-28 KSU, after the ’Cats were down something like 28-7 at the half.
And good point about the post-Bishop (I’ll call it post-Beasley, with the exception of OU in 2000) teams always rallying from a crazy deficit. The 2001 OU game in Norman in Ell Roberson’s first year as a starter leaps to mind.
by CT-K-Stater on Oct 26, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Another great comeback in '99 ...
KSU ran up a 21-0 deficit @OSU to start that game. I was actually at that game. Every other time you turned around, OSU was running into the endzone in the first quarter. “Heeeeere comes Bullet!” and a cowboy on a horse would come riding out to about midfield, turn around and go back off the field. It was a nightmare. Then all of the sudden KSU flipped a switch and curb stomped OSU for the last 3 quarters and won 44-21. Unbelievable.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Oct 26, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Good man
Thanks. That was before my time (the first full football game I ever watched was KSU vs NU in ’98).
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
Saw this on Robinett's twitter...caption contest material
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
I can't see that image.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Try this
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
x
Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!
by MadCat on Oct 26, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Peek-a-boo
Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!
I saw it earlier, but now has disappeared.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 26, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
So I'm sure this has zero credibility
But I feel like posting it anyway.
Big 12 surprise: USF could be wild card
Basically it says that the Big 12 could pull a surprise move and invite USF. It never gives any factual indications that this has even been discussed, (not even “sources”), so it seems to me to be just wild non-factual speculation.
If it were to happen, though, it seems to me too much like the “Mount America” conference. A desperate move to attempt to ensure relevancy.
Would you like some Freys with that?
I'm with you on this:
Please. God. No.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
It's a complete ass-pull.
Just another mainstream journalist showing less restraint than your typical blogger.
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if we add USF, maybe we can add Hawaii as well
since it makes as much sense as USF.
Gulf-Plains-Pacific conference.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 26, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Frequent Flyer Miles Conference
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We can name the conference "Prestige Worldwide"
/firsttogetthereferencegets100internets
by Itchy n Scratchy on Oct 26, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
That's weak sauce brah
Step Brothers duh
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
by MeatGeek on Oct 26, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking ...
Good thing internets are a hyperinflated.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Oct 26, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm surprised that no one has commented on the WVU "Not in Big 12 Yet" Panic Fire going on.
Apparently, they have NOT been invited, they have NOT been accepted, and some way, somehow, people think Mitch McConnell is involved somehow.
This could get interesting.
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So, right now, it appears there's a pretty violent tug of war going on between Louisville and WVU for the 10th spot.
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There's also speculation that what's really going on
is that WVU and Louisville are pushing to BOTH be invited, which of course I support entirely.
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It would seem that nobody cares that much about Cincy.
I haven’t really heard much about them, except as possible targets from our POV. Why aren’t they making as big a fuss as Louisville and WVU?
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 26, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
They know where they are in the pecking order...
A 35k seat stadium will do that to you.
Also, they’re always going to be there. If we need a school in a pinch, we’ll just look to Cincy.
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Well, of all the remaining schools in the Big East
Cincy actually seems to be the one professing the most loyalty. It’s entirely possible that they really have been very waffly about it, which would be stupid, but… /shrug
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They're staring right back in the face of joining C-USA
I have a really cool idea for a 16 team C-USA with four pretty manageable pods. Heck, if the Big East really wanted to, they could still have an eleven or twelve team basketball conference with the football schools just playing in C-USA.
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More ideas, Pan?
Someone has a lot of time on their hands. Let’s focus on getting your ideas moved up the in-box at Big-12 headquarters, first.
by CT-K-Stater on Oct 26, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm HOPING that this is just a long chess match...
Right now, WVU would be #11, because, technically (and legally) Missouri is still #10. Should we add Louisville now, that would make #12.
IF, and I repeat IF, we’re really looking at Brigham Dame, should Missouri decide to stay, there would be no room for them.
Also, should we invite WVU and Louisville, AND the Big East drops the 27 month waiting period (which they will because that thing will dissolve as soon as we bring both of them in), we have absolutely ZERO leverage in exit fee negotiations with Missouri and Texas A&M.
There’s a lot in play here. My guess is that Mizzou is slow playing this because if we get a tenth team, they can negotiate a 2012 release pretty easily and for a greatly reduced buyout. We’re slow playing this because we want Missouri to pay a ton in exit fees, and we don’t know with 100% certainty what will play out with the 27 month waiting period for Big East schools, and we don’t want to be forced to take BYU if we don’t have to.
There are a lot of moving parts here.
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That would be great.
I’m HOPING that this is just a long chess match…
I’m not too convinced yet, though.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 26, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Plenty of room in a 14 team Big 12 or Big 14.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Oct 26, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Missouri is dragging ass hoping to lower their settlement
I agree with you totally on that point. It’s pure and simple. They know the conference will want to immediately add somebody new. Quit playing games Mizzou, we all know you are gone! Pay your fucking money and hit the road. You already stuck us in the back; no need to sit there and twist the knife!!
BlackCats...please tell me we're still going to 12...
If we stay at ten, I’m going to start to become an extreme fatalist in terms of this conference.
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Yeah...
You may have noticed I’m keeping my mouth shut on the 10 v 12 issue. Mostly because it’s murky at best. I almost need a spread sheet to keep up, but if I think a minute there are 3 and a half options right now and I have no idea which will occur.
I will say this, of the 3.5 (4) options I know about, I wish Mizzou would just leave already. Because:
1. The absolute best option does not include them.
B. None of the options include USF, or Air Force.
Pi. You could end up looking like a fucking genius.
Sine. There are benefits that go well beyond the next 6 years.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
by BlackCats on Oct 26, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm curious.
Where would you have gone if you had been listing 5 options?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Modulo n
Cause if it all goes tits up, that might be where we’re headed unless MU leaves.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
So the general thought is that we'll be better if MU leaves?
And isn’t that pretty much a given at this point?
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According to Bill
WVU and TCU are clear upgrades over Mizzou and A&M.
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Look at it this way...
If the B12 does dissolve, it’s one less school for another conference to choose. TCU, BYU, WVU, Louie, Cincy, ISU, and Baylor are not getting picked up before us should all of them find themselves playing football in the B12. For whatever reason the B1G has a hard on for Rutgers and if the Apocalypse is imminent and they go to 16, who else is left? They aren’t going to jump over states for UT and their baggage, ND MIGHT fold and join, but a pickup of Rut, KU, KSU and ND/?, seems reasonable with MU, Pitt and the Orangemen out of the picture.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Not to go off on a tangent here...
But you didn’t even have a Cosine option?
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 26, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
that's the inverse of the sine option.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 26, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
HA!
not to go off on a TANGENT…
I like what you did there. Very punny.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 26, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank you
was beginning to worry nobody got it.
I wasn’t sure if Anon got the joke, though he clearly knows what sines and cosines are.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 26, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh we got it.
I almost pulled my trochlea my eyes rolled so hard.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
At least I don't have to deal with any of those
on my exam. That’s all EIT stuff.
I just have to worry about fire dynamics, smoke generation, fire plumes, ceiling jet temperatures and velocities and things of that nature. Oh, and explosion venting, water based fire suppression systems, non-water based fire suppression systems, fire detection (alarm) systems, human behavior, and egress capacities.
Not like it’s a lot of material or anything.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 26, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Too bad, you could have gotten some studying done...
while at the same time satisfying your BOTC distraction needs.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 26, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
he's probably smoking a cigar since it is work related.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 26, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
HA.
I will be very upset if there is a cigar burning related question on the exam. lol
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 26, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
you want obvious feedback that an engineer gets a trig joke?
not likely, more likely for them to make their own joke.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 26, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
What can I say?
I crave attention.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 26, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
so this is okay?
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 26, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
zing!
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 26, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope the flautists weren't involved.
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are those anything like empanadists?
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 26, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
What you did there
I see it.
(I, on the other hand, was making an American Pie joke.)
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I got your joke, for sure.
Is that the correct way to spell “those who play a flute”?
When I saw it, the first thing I thought of was a flauta. Maybe because it is lunch time and I am a little hungry. :)
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 26, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, it's certainly the uppity way to spell "those who play a flute".
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I had to look it up
appears as if all three are correct:
flutist
flautist
flute player
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 26, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
REMEMBER I AM NEVER WRONG
It’s part of my charm.
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You have been warned.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 26, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
And it just might involve a clarinet.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 26, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I except your challenge
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
make up your mind
do you want attention or not?
And I look exactly like K.S.B.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 26, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
Thanks for the intel, I will move on it quickly.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 26, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
and K.S.B. looks like this
please find him before the game Saturday.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 26, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
He looks like the horse-thing or Bob's Big Boy?
by Itchy n Scratchy on Oct 26, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Chris must get them both.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 26, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
And they say Willie scares children.
Imagine bringing this bad boy home for your kids birthday party.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
More like...
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
by BlackCats on Oct 26, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So the OU players called their own team meeting
apparently to sing kumbaya and vow to crush us with every fiber of their beings. We are definitely going to get a focused group.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
Or overzealous. I hope the latter.
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by Catbacker98 on Oct 26, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I've never been much impressed with players only meetings.
Sometimes that means that the players actually don’t trust the coaches like they should.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I agree
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
No matter how you look at it ...
If your team has to have a “Come to Jesus” players-only meeting, then your team has problems.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Oct 26, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I love Travis Lewis' comments after the TT game
He was complaining about how some players didn’t play hurt. Nothing says Unstoppable like bickering!
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It depends.
Sometimes, they want to be able to sort internal shit out without denigrating the guys they’re sorting in the eyes of the coaches, if you know what I mean.
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Yeah, I could see that.
But back in high school, whenever we had a problem with how someone was playing, we’d just pull them aside and tell them to get their shit together. We always had good teams (even getting second in state my senior year), but we never had a players only meeting. I’ve just always felt like those did more harm than good.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Maybe they were baking chocolate chip cookies for Snyder?
/youknowtodistracttheyoda
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by Catbacker98 on Oct 26, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
People view team-only meetings like that scene with James VanDerBeek in Varsity Blues...
The guys all get together, have a big rah rah session about playing hard, committing to the team, focusing, etc. Then they charge the field to some AC/DC song and win by thirty.
When the reality is that 99% of the time, when you call a players-only meeting, something within the chemistry of your team is broken, and you’re throwing gasoline on the fire in hopes of putting it out.
If anything, this is good news for us. While they sit down and have a “Come to Jesus” meeting and call each other out, our guys are just going about their extremely structured, extremely organized, and highly professional business.
We’re going to win this weekend, by the way. I feel really confident about that.
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33-21
That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it.
Also, you’re spot on with your analogy about players-only meetings.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I'm with you.
I don’t see them lighting us up…and I think we get 1 non-offensive TDs, 2 rushing TDs, and a passing TD, with maybe a field goal or two.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
I feel the same
Just don’t see the powerhouse OU coming to town. I like 33-21!
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I can get on board this train.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 26, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
They will only score the same amount as KU?
I love our Cats but this seems unlikely.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Oct 26, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
KU scored a late, cheap TD.
Also, we held Mizzou to 3 points until Cosh went all prevent on us. I don’t think Snyder lets him do that this week.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
IMO
That last KU score shouldn’t count when comparing the teams. It was against our band. The band won’t see the field in pads against OU, most likely, so OUs 21 would be more impressive than KUs 21, in this scenario.
However I agree that I think OU is more likely than not to score more than that.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 26, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
To be clear did KU score on the clarinet section?
/sorryicouldnothelpmyself
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by Catbacker98 on Oct 26, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
^This
should not be here…SBNation is having hiccups again.
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by Catbacker98 on Oct 26, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
WTH? Now it only shows up once?
Anyone else having issues with double posts or not being able to post at all?
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by Catbacker98 on Oct 26, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I've had some.
Try clearing your cache. I’ve heard that helps. It seemed to help with me, too.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 26, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
It was happening to me yesterday or monday.
Not today though (for me).
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 26, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry Deaton but Mizzou's decision is emotional...
Deaton referenced the nostalgia felt by many for Missouri’s traditions in the Big Six, Big Eight and Big 12 conferences. But he said Missouri’s conference membership could not be decided by emotion.
"Our head has to outweigh our heart in achieving some of the objectives," Deaton said, "because the heart won’t necessarily in this case lead to where the University is going and needs to be going."
Read more: http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2175#ixzz1btuHIFqU
Keep beating that “stability” drum.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
That's been the worst part of the whole realignment saga...
People using PR spin and victimization techniques to make these decisions seem like they had no choice.
I get the Pitt/Syracuse defections. The Big East was just woefully behind in terms of TV contracts, and even though they had rights coming up, it probably wasn’t going to get dramatically better. Their best case scenario was to equal what the ACC was getting, which was already woefully starting to fall behind everyone else.
If you believe Jon Wilner, who has been pretty plugged in for some reason, Missouri’s decision is pretty much based on very large and powerful donors who have made big financial promises should Mizzou head to the SEC. We know that Warren Erdmann isn’t in favor of the move, and it’s been reported that Deaton isn’t either. Some of the quotes he’s thrown out there support that. It seems like there’s a majority of folks in Missouri who want this move to be made, and the most vocal supporters are ones with big, big pockets filled with cash.
I’m honestly not upset if people would just say, “Hey, we’re looking at the landscape, and this is a business decision. We believe a move to Conference X would give us increased exposure to a larger TV audience, Conference X has laid out a very attractive plan for revenue generation going forward that my current conference doesn’t have (or isn’t willing to entertain), and our fans have been very vocal about making this move.” Why people have to play the ‘stability’ card, or why they have to go out and blame other schools is petty and pointless. The Big 12 is stable. For God’s sakes, we’ve got schools fighting to come here. Our revenue is competitive with other BCS conferences. To go out and perpetuate that this is about stability is intellectually dishonest.
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I'd be even more willing to accept it,
if they just came out and said something like, “Seven of our largest ten donors have offered huge donations if we leave, so we’re leaving.” I mean, I know it’s not going to happen, but at least it’d be more honest.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
See even there Pan...Deaton sends mixed messages:
Time and again Deaton referred to concerns of "future security, stability," as being more important than financial considerations.
Read more: http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2175#ixzz1bu7PTU5P
So if money is not the object and currently the only thing truly making your conference unstable is your university wanting to leave then they have abject PR failure.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Oct 26, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
....
truly making your conference unstable is your university wanting to leave then they have abject PR failure
or a major disconnect with the real world.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 26, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Just in case you aren't voting for Snyder
http://www.coachoftheyear.com/
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Just in case you haven't voted for Snyder
Then you are the anti-christ, and I hate you. Not the trendy, fluffy hate, but the deep-seated visceral type of hate that ends up bad for everybody involved.
Head Yoda Bill Snyder needs your support, damnit.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Oct 26, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
His lead looks pretty good right now. 7000ish votes.
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as long as Cosh doesn't start the prevent defense, the lead might be safe.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 26, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I found Bill's odds of winning article interesting ..
until I was that, according to whatever numbers he is using, Iowa State has a much better chance of beating Ok State than we do (7% to 15%). Now that folks is some amazing disrespect for a 7-0 team.
Huh?
I’m sure that is the result of it being home vs. away. Home games are always a little bit easier to win.
This sure sounds like disrespect to me…
They have no margin for error whatsoever, but … guess what: they have had no margin for error so far, too, and are 7-0. The same numbers would have given them a 0.4-percent chance of going undefeated through seven games, yet here they are. They are probably just as likely to finish 8-4 as 12-0, but are you going to doubt them? Because I am scared to at this point.
Let’s just leave the disrespect card alone for now, shall we?
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 26, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
but it's so fun the play the disrespect card.
I’m guessing the he is coming up with these numbers from his Beyond the Boxscore method, and we have looked like a bottom 20 team offensively in those numbers.
That's where we are as a fanbase right now
We don’t like being disrespected, but because we always feel disrespected, we end up kind of creating our own disrespect even when we are being respected.
The interesting thing I got from Bill was this:
They are probably just as likely to finish 8-4 as 12-0, but are you going to doubt them?
He is saying an 8-4 finish is NOT likely.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 26, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
But if we don't whine about disrespect the way Auburn and Ohio State and USC do
then how will we ever be as good as them?
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Good point.
You left out Texas, too. (three-way south division tie where Brown lobbied for votes)
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 26, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
good as them
in whining?
Or on the football field?
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 26, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
yes
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 26, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not disrespect. It's just what the numbers say.
Numbers help. They aren’t the end-all-be-all.
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Would you please stop with all your facts and whatnot?
sheesh. Trying to have a nice discussion about disrespect and you have to go ruin it. You ruiner.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 26, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn you numbers
Hey numbers? Your mamma’s so dumb that she tried to take the square root of negative one and then divide it by zero.
That is interesting
I understand his computers don’t like the Cats because of how the Cats have won, but I wonder how much of that difference has to do with OSU being home versus away.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
I assumed it was the home/away thing
but then that means almost more weight is given to location of game that W-L record. Or am I missing something.
I would read up more about his numbers, but it would take an engineer to figure all that stuff out.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 26, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Good thing those BCS computers like the Cats.
/mustbesomegoodprocessorsinthere
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
I like this from the CFN game preview.
It’s not like the Sooners haven’t been special over the last eight years, but the 35-7 loss to the Wildcats in the infamous 2003 title game was the official marking point of the end of the mojo, and they haven’t been quite the same.
Yeah, that’s right. We are the mojo bandits.
KSU – ruining National Championship aspirations since 2003
(I realize OU still went on to play for the NC, but they didn’t play well, did they?)
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also from CFN preview...can we say editor?
Why Oklahoma Might Win: The Texas A&M secondary continues to be a problem.
It’s not like the Kansas State pass defense is actually working.
What does aTm have to do with anything?
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 26, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe it's Bizzarro day in football or something?
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by mac attack ict on Oct 26, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The K-state pass defense doesn't work only in the Nickle
When Safeties are relied upon to match speed of hybrid TE like Agnew from Mizzou on a 1 on 1 island. Otherwise our pass defense is pretty solid. Love the corners. Sound tacklers out in space. And having safety support is helpful.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Did you check out the Tiggers vs Dog Lovers link?
That line is in there. Someone screwed up the copy and paste job. No biggie.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
Why would I have checked out that link?
Two teams that nobody around here cares about…
But seriously, no I didn’t look at that preview. Nice to know that these are all original previews though. :)
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 26, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
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