K-State Slate: 10.25.11
by TB on Oct 25, 2011 7:03 AM CDT
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In an attempt to make Oklahoma less mad coming into this weekend's game in Manhattan, Bill Snyder is going to send the Oklahoma coaching staff jokes from the newspaper each day. How quaint, reading a paper newspaper.
Tyler Lockett is the Big 12 special teams player of the week after his 97-yard kickoff return for a touchdown against KU. That's two in a row for K-State after Raphael Guidry won the award for his two blocked field goals against Texas Tech.
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The Missouri Saga f/k/a Conference Realignment
Missouri did not withdraw, conditionally or otherwise, from the Big 12 yesterday, as was expected. This means either that Missouri can't make up its mind, or Gabe DeArmond is relying on terrible sources for his reporting. It's anyone's guess at this point. Of course, given that Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton is wishing the Big 12 "the best and all that," it's probably more accurate to say that Missouri hasn't withdrawn...yet.
The first link above indicates that the Big 12 board of directors discussed creating a conference network at yesterday's regularly scheduled meeting. That led to the creation last night of one of the greatest Twitter hashtags ever, #Big12NetworkShows.
Iowa State AD Jamie Pollard believes everyone's in agreement that only one school will be added if Missouri leaves.
Barking Carnival thinks 10 schools is the optimal conference size. I can see the steam coming out of Pan's ears as he reads this.
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cool retro helmet
at the bottom of this page, retro screaming wildcat helmet.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 25, 2011 7:22 AM CDT reply actions
Dear whatever douche muffin wrote that article -
“As everyone knows, Kansas State is the second-rate team in its own state. Sure, the Wildcats have a passionate following, but they never will replace the Jayhawks in the state’s collective heart.” Up yours.
However, that is pretty cool to see the old helmet.
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Further proof of poor research:
“To contrast, Kansas State would not make an appearance in a bowl game until 1982, a few years into the first stint of current head coach Bill Snyder, who eventually lifted the program to new heights and actually helped introduce the awesome Powercat logo in 1989 that has now become synonymous with the school.”
Did you guys know that Snyder actually started coaching here in 1980?
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 25, 2011 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
On the other hand
we almost won the Big 8 the year that screaming Wildcat helmet debuted. You’d think that would warrant a mention.
I won’t point it out to him, though; he’s already committed blogging cardinal sin #1 as far as I’m concerned. If someone corrects you in comments, you don’t change the text of the article without an acknowledgement of your fuckup. It’s TACKY.
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by jonfmorse on Oct 25, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Weird article...
but that Wildcat is such an unbelievably better logo than the powercat.
by hiphopopotamus on Oct 25, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I love the powercat.
It’s simple, semi-abstract, and clean. Logo’s should be easily recognizable and I think it does a great job.
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by mystman995 on Oct 25, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not even close
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 25, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
To clarify
That Wildcat is not even close to being on the same level as the Powercat, let alone better than.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 25, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes^
I actually like that old Screaming Wildcat look, but the Powercat is awesome and provides K-State with a national brand logo. High schools all over the country use it on their helmets (including a local one here in CT). It’s clear, clean and forceful, much like Mystman described.
There was also a high school in Georgia (not sure which, but was Atlanta metro)
that used it as well.
A lady noticed the ring I wear (it is a simple Powercat) and she commented on it. She asked where I got it (I guess she was interested because it was her kid’s high school logo). She actually didn’t realize that the high school was using KSU’s logo. lol
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
There is also a HS in New Mexico
who uses the powercat as well. TB and I saw it on a billboard a few years back driving up to Colorado (from Texas) for a KSU-CU game.
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There's a whole bunch of HSs using it.
You’ll see an article talking about it occasionally, usually juxtaposed with stuff like Miami charging Tulsa Union $1000 a year and demanding a cut of merchandise sales, whereas KSU allows high schools to use the Powercat for $1/year.
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So long as those high schools don't use blue-and-red
the colors of the Flaw-on-the-Kaw. The $1 fee and the color restriction seem to be the only requirements.
That's pretty cool
I like that stipulation.
And according to the article, there are 94 high schools using the Powercat. How awesome is that? KSU is making $47/year by allowing these schools to use the Powercat. Sweet!
/kidding I think it is cool they do this
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Do schools that use the K-State fight song have to pay royalties?
I’m not entirely sure on use of music. Anyone know? A school from league used it. I always enjoyed that game. They even played the Wabash.
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My High School, McLouth
Uses the Powerdog on their football uniforms.
They designed it themselves, but it was obviously modeled after the Powercat.
I don’t know if there are any licensing arrangements necessary for that.
Small picture, but it the one on the purple uniform.
Article that picture was taken from. Cool story, the RB quoted in the story is my brother-in-law.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 25, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
that actually is pretty cool
I had my doubts when I read your comments, but it’s really cool. I live down the road from there, so I will say that’s the best thing to come out of McClouth since Jeff Schwinn, which…well I won’t say anything at all.
I also commend them for trying to come up with a decent bulldog to use. Go to Rossville’s gym and count up the numerous variations of bulldogs within their gym alone.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
There is one in NC as well.
And they are the “Wildcats”.
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It was also on toddlers underwear throughout the 80s
by hiphopopotamus on Oct 27, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Indeed.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 27, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
There's also a college in Pullman, Washington that uses it...
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Move along troll, go back to your big-beaked duck
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Serious question:
Are you a middle school football coach? Because that “Wildcat” is on par with something found on the k-12 level. The powercat is so much better graphically.
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I love 10-teams from a competitive standpoint, as I've said before, but it just isn't stable.
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I love Fun Snyder
Send snail mail spam and kidnapping QBs.
Love it.
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by BlackCats on Oct 25, 2011 8:18 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He definitely seems more jocular this year
Did a little birdy tell him we will go undefeated?
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
He has seemed a lot more personable
since he came back in 2009. Especially this year though. He jokes around with reporters, and even accepts cookies from them! :)
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Kind of reminds me of the "change" that Tom Coughlin reportedly underwent the year the NY Giants won the Superbowl.
Not that that means anything…
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 25, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
"reportedly" is the key word there
Because watching Tom Coughlin on Sunday’s, not much seems to have changed since he took over the Giants in 2004.
Which is why I knew in August that we would be doing a lot of winning.
I honestly think this is his favorite team yet. That’s saying something.
I'm probably right there with you
this is the best ‘team’ I’ve ever watched I think…meaning the best definition of what it means to be a team.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Yeah, but he was never like that before when we were consistently putting up 11 win seasons, Charles.
After thinking about on my drive to the office, I think it comes down to one thing.
Frank Martin.
Let’s be honest. No one would care about Frank if he was just another ho-hum coach that is consistently in the top 35 (not a typo) and makes a run in the NCAAs every now and then. I can’t think of one off the top of my head. His over the top personality and “The Stare”tm have made him a household name to any sports follower, which I realized this year vacationing up north. On more than one occasion I was stopped while wearing a KState shirt and was met with some variation of, “You’ve got a crazy ass coach! Is he really like that all the time?”, to which I said no.
We’ve all heard that Bill and Frank chat from time to time, and I think it is a two way street. Frank learns from one of the greatest strategists, and Bill learns from one of the best media savvy coaches I’ve seen in a while.
Then again, maybe he just knows something we don’t.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
I just think retirement relaxed him a ton and made him enjoy the process even more, rather than obsessing over the end result.
He’s always been about steady improvement, but now it’s its own reward.
This would be the correct answer in my opinion...more comfortable and grandfatherly...
That is if your grandfather could kick your arse on the football field.
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by mac attack ict on Oct 25, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
This makes no sense.
There is no way in hell West Virginia can be the Big 12’s 10th team in 2012. I am hoping and praying that what’s really happening here is that we’re inviting BYU for 2012, and WVU and Louisville for “when they can finally leave the Big East”.
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Supposedly, that's why we're trying to get the Meth Aggies to stay through 2012-13.
And we’re using the legal hammer of massive television damages to accomplish that end, apparently.
Anyone seen
THIS article?
I don’t hate it.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
I saw that very same article last week, on a different site
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Quote from Mizzou's fearless leader that made me chuckle
We really can’t rush these things. These are things you can’t rush
From an interview he did with KOMO upon his return from Dallas
This simply can't be possible. And for the record, Missouri head basketball coach Matt Painter agrees with me.
Gabe DeArmond is relying on terrible sources for his reporting.
by BracketCat on Oct 25, 2011 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, TB told me to quit messing around and write.
I quit messing around and wrote.
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by jonfmorse on Oct 25, 2011 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And still, commentators don't understand KSU
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1121164.html – I particularly like the crack by the last asshole about how KSU played a creampuff nonconference schedule. Does he not remember KSU beat the team that just spanked GT? None of them realize KSU beat the team that just beat OU either. What a bunch of idiots.
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by Sean T on Oct 25, 2011 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And we beat both of those teams
on the ROAD, no less. Truly baffling.
by Chi-TownCat08 on Oct 25, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, and you have to love
douchebag Gene Wojciechowski at ESPN also setting the bar higher for K-State than any other school (note his love for freakin’ Michigan State in this article):
9. Kansas State — Now we find out whether the Wildcats are fact or fiction: OU at K State.
So I guess K-State beat nobody from Game 3 through Game 6, huh? This kind of talk from the same folks who thought Mizzou was going to be a top-20 team, possibly a top-10 one.
by CT-K-Stater on Oct 25, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
That's the part I don't understand...
They slobber all over teams like Baylor and Mizzou, but when KSU beats them it turns out that those teams just weren’t very good. Until the next week when they win again, and all the slobbering continues.
Even when we do beat OU on Saturday, people will just say OU was overrated and was finally exposed.
It has always been this way (except for may in 98 and 99).
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree. I think our teams feed off of this
(maybe more than other teams do).
It just seems ridiculous. If KSU beats OU, OU will be overrated, and not as good as people thought, but if OU beats a (according to them( inferior KSU, then OU is so great and such a force to be reckoned with. It’s always been like that. Was the same with Nebraska.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I swear, a lot of these guys simply write what someone else wrote...
…the K-State never plays anyone outside of conference meme really gets old. Especially when fools say that during a season when KSU plays Miami (as they said it during seasons K-State played USC).
by apewatcher on Oct 25, 2011 12:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
but when we played Auburn (and were barely bowl eligible)
I didn’t hear that so much.
Basically what it boils down to is that writers, for whatever reason, seem to still think of KSU as the downtrodden team from before Snyder was here (either time), and if KSU is doing well, it MUST mean the opponents are not very strong. If KSU plays well, but loses to the teams we “should” lose to, then all is right in college football land.
The whole cupcake scheduling thing drives me batty anyway. Once other realized what Snyder was doing, they all started doing the same thing. Yes, there are your OU’s and Texas’s who like to play those big name teams, but is ND really the same ND it was back in the day?
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
It's looking more and more like West Virginia
will be the replacement for Mizzou.
And in the meantime, lots of media-talk on Notre Dame shifting its non-football sports into the Big-12. Of course we’ve all become well-versed in conference-jumping speculation over the past two years, haven’t we Texas and Oklahoma?
10 schools is stupid.
If they’re afraid of imbalance in the schedule, they can just do a zipper model and put OU and UT in different divisions.
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This has nothing to do with us, but
it’s awfully bizarre to go to a conference’s web page at 2:25 in the afternoon, see that they are streaming an important press conference at 2:30, and finding out LIVE that Oral Roberts is leaving the Summit League to join the Southland when you’d had no inkling such a thing was even under consideration.
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What were you doing prowling the the conference website
of either of those conferences?
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Writing my weekly FCS recap?
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Oh.
Carry on then.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
If you haven't read Morse's blog, you should.
It’s very interesting, especially if you follow smaller college sports at all.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I don't follow smaller college sports at all.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You should.
It’s interesting. :)
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I didn't follow the sports at my high school.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The Undefeateds
According to the magical brilliant amazing always-right (except when they’re full of shit) statistics that said KSU should be 3-4 right now, and that the KSU vs MU game was, you know, close, the Cats have a 0.1% chance of going undefeated in the last 5 games – http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/10/25/2512603/college-football-2011-undefeated-teams-bcs
You know what? Fuck it, I’ll take those odds. Like I’m going to doubt the Honey Badger (suck my balls Tyranosaurus Matthew!) and the Wizard of Manhattan at this point.
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I'll take that 0.1% chance all day, every day...
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
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So you're saying there's a chance...
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
You know who has a 0.0% probability of going undefeated the rest of the year?
Every damn team we’ve played in our first seven, that’s who!
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
and Oklahoma!
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Bill ever claims that statistics are always right
I’m sure he seems them as a highly useful tool for helping to discern the future. Which they are.
I’m not so sure why this site has suddenly turned into full-on disrespect mode.
KSU is ranked in the Top 10. We are undefeated at 7-0 and have a chance to improve to 8-0 this weekend against Oklahoma.
Who the fuck cares if most people don’t think we will be able to win out? Hell, I don’t even think we’’ll win out, do you? Then why would you get angry if nobody else thinks we will either?
I think we all need to just relax a little bit here.
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*seems=sees
*we"ll=we’ll
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 25, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the general feeling from KSU fans
is that the #8 BCS ranking and our place in the polls is more a function of where we have to be placed, rather than where people think we should actually be placed. I mean, people are STILL talking about how we are just a few plays away from being 3-4 right now. And we’re 13 point dogs to an OU team at home that just lost to a team we beat by 7 on the road.
I think we ARE actually getting some respect, but when others outside of the KSU world talk about us, it sure FEELS like they don’t really believe what they are writing about us (the good stuff).
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
the only thing I will make of
people are STILL talking about how we are just a few plays away from being 3-4 right now
Is that, at least in all of those cases it came down to us making plays and making them at the right time. It’s not like we got lucky on the interception against Baylor, that was a player being on assignment, and a DL getting pressure on a QB. It’s not like Miami had fluke plays on the goal line. No instead our defense made 4 straight athletic plays (oh and reminder, that doesn’t mean that we wouldn’t of had a chance to score after that TD either, it’s not like the clock was under 15seconds when MIami had the ball). So those people can shove it.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
7 plays...the pass interference was BS.
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I put 7 originally, and then backspaced it off, because well the pi
whether fair or not negated made the good plays prior to irrelevant. It was a debate for sure.
Not to mention the way the team lead both the Mizzou and TT games and didn’t let go.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
whether fair or not
negated the good plays prior to the last 4. I had the internal debate for sure on writing 7 or 4
"Nor yet in Dell?"
We're in the top 10 and every media outlet in the country has at least one writer trying to get in our proverbial pants.
This butthurt stuff, it really bugs me. Always.
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by jonfmorse on Oct 25, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
So is that a probability of 1 that you are bugged with the disrepect card?
If we win, we continue to progress towards the final game of the year.
If we lose, we continue to progress towards the final game of the year.
The bowl and what the team is playing for, will take care of itself and what people think/say will happen regardless.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 25, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I just don't let disrespect bother me when it comes to my teams.
You don’t think we’re any good? Fine. Either we’ll prove you wrong, or we’ll prove you right, and either way you’re probably not going to change your mind anyway unless we prove you wrong emphatically.
I remember 1998. We destroyed everyone until December hit, and nobody but Playboy believed in us until the week of the title game, when all of a sudden everyone was in our jocks… and then jumped right back out again about three seconds after Bishop fumbled. Did that change anything? No.
So, yeah, “OMG THEY SAID SHIT ABOUT US” just annoys me.
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Oh noes!
They (didn’t) say anything about us!
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed.
And with OU for example, I remember after we beat them for the first time in the early 90’s. The OU players were saying that the better team didn’t win, etc.,… Anyone who was at the game, knew that was false because K-State easily won it.
So I pay little attention to the perception pieces and merely point out we are still winning 8-)
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 25, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's a counter-example
Ubben posted a poll asking how many games we’re going to win. 90% of SportsNation thinks we’ve still got at least two wins left in our pocket. Over half the people think we’ve got at least three.
This is disrespect? Over half the respondents can pretty much be assumed to believe we’re going to sweep the Texas schools this year. There’s no shame in people thinking we’re going to lose to the Oklahoma schools… is there? I mean, come on!
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but it wasn't 99%, it is still disrespect
and don’t forget basketball last year when we completely underachieved based on the pre-season polls.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 25, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Does that include the bowl game?
I voted 10 to include the bowl game. 10-3 is a helluva record to me when I’m sane, but when the Cats have a shot (but not a good one!) at a national title, it seems rather… empty.
As of now, out of 4800 votes about half voted at least 10 wins.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 25, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I like that insane inside logo
in the lower right corner.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 25, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah agree with you here
He even said he won’t doubt us.
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Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
I hadn't even read the article yet, but yeah he even gives us a favorable review, despite the numbers
Of course, Clemson has nothing on Kansas State. The Wildcats are given a 17-percent chance of beating Oklahoma in Manhattan this weekend and a seven-percent chance of winning in Stillwater the next. If they survive those, then they are given only a nine-percent chance of beating both Texas A&M (in Manhattan) and Texas (in Austin). They have no margin for error whatsoever, but … guess what: they have had no margin for error so far, too, and are 7-0. The same numbers would have given them a 0.4-percent chance of going undefeated through seven games, yet here they are. They are probably just as likely to finish 8-4 as 12-0, but are you going to doubt them? Because I am scared to at this point.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 25, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm angry about how dismissive his post seems to me
I also really don’t like his statistics.
I’m also angry because of jealousy. That son of a bitch Stoops turned OU into the national power KSU was on the verge of becoming. NU fell on its face, and OU was able to shoulder KSU aside (Bennett’s insistence on blitzing all the time against Hoople didn’t help) to run the league. If Stoops turns into a flop (like Gill, or whoever was at OU before him), KSU becomes a prize in this realignment mess, not OU. Everything he and his staff (nearly all from KSU) did was built right over what Snyder was trying to accomplish.
I want this game. Badly.
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Bill and I had a nice disagreement last year when...
he insisted statistically KU was better than KSU. I laid out a long argument against it but in the end he stuck to his stats. Well we see how that turned out right?
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They weren’t epically bad till us as I recall besides that NDSU loss.
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by MeatGeek on Oct 25, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh Jesus Christ.
Never mind that I’ve been very highly complimentary of KSU, never mind that I say in the article to which you linked that KSU have very much defied the numbers to date and that I’d be scared to go against KSU so far … you go right ahead and get yet another be in your damn bonnet. Man oh man, you guys and your injustice fetish puts to shame anything I’ve ever seen from Mizzou fans. You should be so proud of yourself.
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by Bill C. on Oct 25, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Relax, Bill. Check the thread between there and here. :)
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so
you guys and your injustice fetish puts to shame anything I’ve ever seen from Mizzou fans. You should be so proud of yourself.
You are going to condemn everyone here because of one person’s POV? Interesting. Or did you mean this differently?
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 25, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's just say...
…that there is impressive logic associated with “Yeah, we’re No. 8 in the BCS, but voters aren’t voting for us for the right reasons.”
And I used “You guys” instead of “all of you” so I could selectively point out certain people later on and say I was talking about them only. :-)
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fair enough
just remember every fan base has those that hear black helicopters.
Besides we have Weird Robert, there is no way we are a fan base on an even keel.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 25, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Every fan base has their nuts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrf1utS1qdk
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Hey, I'm the one who has said on many occasions...
…that 80%-90% of every fanbase is exactly the same. I totally get that. Just read Rock M Nation. The outrage fetishes are easy to find.
…they’re just even easier to find over here right now. :-)
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At least we are talking about football again (mostly)
instead of conference realignment.
I mean, we still are, but not in 500 thread posts. :)
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Well played, Bill C., well played.
And I used "You guys" instead of "all of you" so I could selectively point out certain people later on and say I was talking about them only. :-)
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by Panjandrum on Oct 25, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Catbacker98 on Oct 25, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bill, I was angry (from work issues) when I read your post, and your post just made me angrier, rather irrationally in retrospect.
I apologize. I understand that your computer is telling you the Cats are a mirage, but you don’t totally believe that and you said as much.
That being said Kansas State is #62(!!!) according to football outsiders? http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa
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No disrespect here?
(Looks around wildly.)
AHA! DISRESPECT!!!
/justteasing
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 25, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't know what to tell you.
KSU is winning games while actually playing at an average level on a play-by-play basis. S&P+ has a strong correlation with overall win percentage, and to date, KSU has evidently invented a new way of winning games. You should be proud of that, in a roundabout way.
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by Bill C. on Oct 25, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha ha ha
I can’t find it on your site (it only goes back to 2005), but how would the 2002 Ohio State Luckeyes compare?
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We only go back to 2005. Hoping to procure 2001-04 one day.
But yeah, with that offense I doubt they’d have been No. 1, even though I think their defense was still damn strong on a play-for-play basis.
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Good point
They had a hard time scoring on anyone at times, but it didn’t matter with a damned good D.
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Are we the Moneyball of college football!!!!!????!?!??!?!!!??
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 25, 2011 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Cats win the Big 12, or a National Title (wouldn't that be incredible?)
I think Hollywood owes KSU fans a movie starring Brad Pitt as Bill Snyder in 20 years.
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20...
…or 40?
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Touche
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The story started with a 49 year old Snyder
not a 72 year old Snyder.
And besides…have you seen Benjamin Button? Pitt can do old. lol
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Coach Snyder has always seemed "old" to me.
Of course, when he was hired, I was only 14, and anyone over 30 seems “old” to a 14 year old boy.
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This is very interesting
because he has always seemed the same to me as he is now. But I noticed this when I was rewatching his introductory interview, and some of the celebrations in those early wins. He was not grandpa looking when he was hired. lol
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Looking back, he really wasn't.
Did you see the celebration where he jumped into one of his assistant’s arms? Who knew Coach Snyder had such hops?!? :)
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He was a cornerback I thought back in the day
I really wanna know what his stats at William Jewell were then.
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Moneyball was predicated on winning at baseball using the types of stats Bill tracks for football to build a better team.
It was about the numbers that underlie the game, and how to find players that were undervalued based upon those numbers. With this KSU team, I think it’s more about our head coach, and his game planning ability.
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I know.
It’s called a funny.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 25, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
best place to read about S&P+ is?
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 25, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Try Football Outsiders
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by TB on Oct 25, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Basically.
That, and the two links (SBN and Study Hall) in my sig. I try to reference it often.
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gracias.
and to TB as well.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 25, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think not turning the ball over has a lot to do with it.
Also, and I am not remotely a numbers guy in footballspeak, but is it possible that KSU’s apparent defensive philosophy of letting you have the yards underneath until you get near the red zone, then crushing the life out of you, break your system a little?
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Bend-don't-break...
…is certainly not given a lot of credit in the per-play numbers. That’s why I like the “F/+” numbers for final evaluations. That combines my per-play stuff and Fremeau’s per-drive stuff. If you do the bend-don’t-break thing well, you almost certainly do well in Fremeau’s numbers, but by combining the two measures makes sure that the teams that don’t bend before crushing you still get more credit.
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Well, and I can get why that might be desirable
but on the other hand, if the reason FOR the bend-don’t-break is to castrate your team’s weaknesses and allow their strengths to do the heavy lifting, then it indicates proper use of the talent available to you.
I think this may be a huge, huge difference between statistical analysis of football vs baseball, because defense is more directly vital. There are no “defense-independent” stats in football.
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we have held teams under their 'average' offense
how is that taken into consideration? see table here. Or does that matter?
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 25, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Output versus expected output is the basis of all the numbers we do.
And yeah, KSU ranks 41st in Def. S&P+, which suggests they’ve been at least a decent amount above average play-for-play. On the other hand, they’re first in DFEI (the defensive per-drive measure). That screams “Bend Don’t Break,” but that large a difference (which is rare) also screams “unsustainable.” We’ll see, huh?
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I need to get into your mechanics at some point
unfortunately, since I’m insane and write 14,000 words a week about shit nobody cares about, during the football season is a bad time. ;)
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our prevent defense causes all sorts of weeping and nashing of teeth
plus we also have some of the quickest drives against us, especially Baylor and TXT.
I think most of us are just happy we aren’t 120th in a defensive category at this point in the season.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 25, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
(Keep in mind, I'm just brainstorming a bit here. Obviously, you know way more than I do about how your systems work!)
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by TB on Oct 25, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
From what I've seen, KSU wins by
Making key plays at key times during the game, and just hanging on during the rest of it.
Avoiding mistakes – especially turnovers. If you take out the first game (EKU) our turnover numbers are really good. I don’t remember many bad penalties either – most of the ones we have are just 5 yards and haven’t wiped out a big 50 yard gain.
I remember an Iowa team a while back that seemed to just barely win almost every game they played. As I recall, they ended up getting blown out by USC in a BCS bowl, but I can’t remember what year that was. Would be interesting to take a look at them.
Yup, 2002
Their QB was good, until they took on a USC team the Cats beat in the Orange Bowl.
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In other news...
We beat KU at more than just football. Believe it or not, we won the Take Charge Challenge, despite the EcoKat debacle. (If you want my honest opinion, debacle or not, that may have caused enough of a commotion to help us win) The last time I checked, we were well behind KU and Lawrence.
It’s a great week to be a Wildcat, isn’t it? EMAW!
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Does this count as head to head "sporting event"?
So we can make it 16-1 now in the past year and a half?
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I'm counting it.
The energy guy here in the planning office is actually a KU grad. But even he was excited about this, and was talking about how this is definitely a great time to be a fan of the Wildcats.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
even better to be a K-State graduate
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 25, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
So, who else was excited when their basketball season tickets arrived in the mail last week?!?
I was!
And I’m still fired up about the rest of football season too!
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