K-State Slate: 10.24.11
by TB on Oct 24, 2011 7:03 AM CDT
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K-State rolled to an easy 59-21 win over KU on Saturday in Lawrence.
Tyler Lockett had a breakout game for K-State, returning a kickoff for a touchdown and hauling in five passes for 110 yards and another score.
The blowout win over KU moves K-State to 7-0 on the season, and the Wildcats are starting to get some national recognition. Not enough national recognition, however, to garner a visit from College GameDay for next weekend's showdown with Oklahoma.
Bracket posted this last week, but Dr. Saturday takes a look at the strange case of K-State, unbeaten at the turn (and past the turn now).
It's Getting Uncomfortable for Turner Gill in Lawrence
Tom Keegan challenges KU AD Sheahon Zenger to find the money required to buy out Gill's contract, which runs for three more years after this season at $2 million per year.
K-State Volleyball
A third-set rally by No. 22 Oklahoma turned the tide as K-State lost in four sets to the Sooners in Norman. The ladies return home to face Missouri on Wednesday.
The Missouri Saga f/k/a Conference Realignment
Three sources tell Gabe DeArmond that Missouri will conditionally withdraw from the Big 12 today. Same song, second verse, as the Tigers are following the Texas A&M blueprint to a "T". Love the façade that the SEC isn't orchestrating this because it wants to avoid the potential liability.
Chip Brown covers his bases with tweets indicating that West Virginia has a slight lead on Louisville to be Missouri's replacement and that Notre Dame will decide in 60 days whether to move its non-football sports out of the Big East.
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Poor Missouri...
The potential departures of OU/TX made everyone nervous – they were coveted prizes. Now, Mizzou is leaving and the general feeling seems to be “eh..” And their only recourse is the SEC EAST?! Good grief, talk about travel nightmares…
For what it’s worth, I think Louisville would be the better addition than either WVU or BYU. It’s closer, has great basketball and at times decent football, and has a med-school and a law school. Plus, I live here so it’d be nice to see some games…
We really don't need them
I say send them packing if they are this schizophrenic. They think they are God’s gift just like A&M but they are nothing special. F**k off backstabbers
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If you dont need us, how exactly are we stabbing you in the back?
Just curious how that worked :-)
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Rock M Nation
And before this place goes biblical again
It was just a joke…we get that you hate us for this move for any number of reasons which dont need to be reviewed.
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actually we don't hate you
except maybe for dragging this out as long as it has.
We view MU, or MU fans supporting this move, sort of like a crazy relative that is doing something that you might not agree with although you understand their reasons (which kind of scares you) and you hope it works out for the best for them even if it means you won’t see them for a long time.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 24, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Beef, we will always love you.
And as that train leaves the station, and you hang out the door waving goodbye, we’ll wave back remembering what once was and what now shall never be.
(I can get poetic too; I’m showing my range as a writer there.)
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by Panjandrum on Oct 24, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Certainly rec'able.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Is it range if you blatantly rip-off Led Zeppelin? ;-)
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 24, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Oh, thought you were doing a play on a Led Zeppelin song...
What Is and What Should Never Be
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 24, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish I were that cool.
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by Panjandrum on Oct 24, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In the same way that a guy doesn't NEED a close friend, in that he wouldn't die if he were gone, and he has other really close friends as well.
But if that friend backstabs him, it’s still going to piss him off.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
reading through one of the latest stories on RMN (and I did not comment)
they are all delighted and I sense a bunch of schadenfreude towards the BigXII, kool-aid of the yellow and black variety has been drunk.
One of the throw-aways was ‘other schools would leave if they could’, about the same themes as with aTm and UN-L. It is kind of sad that Colorado has been the classiest act in leaving the Big XII.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 24, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was getting pretty angry at some of the charecterizations they were making over there
But also decided it was best to just walk away. I actually like some of those posters and didn’t want to get into a nasty fight with them.
But still, was really surprised that some of those posters were so vehement against us. Sorry? I’ve said this before, but what are they expecting, a kumbaya-happy-lovey-dovey going away party?
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 24, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, the best course of action is to walk away.
The respect I had for several of the posters, has diminished; which is probably the politest way to put it.
And like aTm before them, yes they would like a party since obviously it is the right move and the rest of us are clueless.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 24, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
It really is like some kind of zombie virus that jumped fanbases.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Oct 24, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
that made me laugh
since it is zombie awareness month.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 24, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Well right now, schadenfreude is a one-way street ...
Because, while there is currently nothing for Mizzou fans to relish about the Big12’s “imminent demise”, there is certainly a satisfying feeling I’m getting watching them desperately claw for bowl eligibility in a conference they’re too good for.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Oct 24, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
okay, fine.
potential schadenfreude.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 24, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
conditional?
BigXII(-3.5+1) should tell MU, either in or out there is no conditional withdrawal and no release from liability.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 24, 2011 7:58 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And then, if they are rejected by the SEC, make them reapply for membership,
and consider their application alongside Louisville, WVU, BYU, and Cincy.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
by K.S.B. on Oct 24, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And then, after making them wait for weeks on end,
let them know you are “conditionally accepting” their application, pending Notre Dame’s decision to accept or reject a spot in the conference.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
along with reapplication to the conference
we would make them re-vest themselves, just like nebraska has to do in the B1G. make ’em wait 5 years before they can claim full revenue rights.
Not sure where to stick this.
So here is good as any.
It just struck me, since he’s in an ad to the right, but Herbstreit has Apparently crossed the credibility threshold. Where by they have always made him look older so their audience didn’t think they were getting advice and commentary from an inexperienced hack (wellllll, they tried) he has apparently drawn high enough in market research as a trusted source. Proof? He looks younger this year than he has in the past 4.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
It's almost over in regards to the MU saga. It's crossed the tipping poing.
They don’t want to be here, and the general consensus at this point, given their behavior, is that we don’t (and shouldn’t) want them either. I say we let them go and just make them and A&M pay a minimum of $15 million apiece. If not, both can hang out in 2012 so we can throw things at them when they come to our various cities.
After that, it’s pretty simple. Offer WVU, watch the Big East collapse, swoop up Louisville and then figure out if #12 is Cincy or Brigham Dame.
I know that a lot of people are down on ‘half members’, but really, BYU football/ND everything else is kind of the best of both worlds. I’ve laid it all out, so I won’t go into greater detail, but having ND in the fold in some way, shape, or form has the potential to raise the value of our TV contracts if we can get them on our TV platform more than two or three times a year.
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Is there any chance we don't invite WV? and others?
if this is inevitable then why is the big 12 sitting on their hands? I say get this over with before something else happens and we lose the opportunity.
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I think something happens this week. The Presidents meet today...
My guess is that once Missouri tells everyone they’re out, they’ll probably kick them out for legal reasons, and then get to the business of expansion.
My guess is that WVU will have accepted an invite within a week.
Welcome back, Bob…
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And when I say, "Kick them out," I mean out of the room.
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I'm with you on this.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 24, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Nov. 5th Game Times out...
#Big12 Nov. 5 addl. game times – KSU at OSU (2:30 or 7pm, ABC); A&M at OU (2:30 or 7pm, ABC). Times announced on or before Oct. 30.
So, either 2:30 or 7:00 on ABC.
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Will most likely be 7 PM if we both win so we'll be the big night game.
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Why did we agree to equal first tier distribution?
We’d be rolling in the dough this year!
Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.
I had this discussion over the weekend.
We decided it would have been prudent to wait till Snyder retired again.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
I'm not sure when,
but it would be to our advantage this time if it didn’t start until next.
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I'd almost rather have the 2:30 slot
Because LSU-‘Bama is at 7 that night…..so I think we’d have more of the nation at 2:30, and set up for a day of great football. I’d rather A&M and OU fall into the irrelevant category.
I’m speaking on behalf of the nation, I myself, no matter who’s playing will watch more of the big12 game either way. If KSU’s kicking off up against LSU-Bama, I’ll watch probably little to nothing of the SEC game.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
If those games are at the same time
the only portion of the LSU/Bama game I will be watching is what happens during commercial breaks of our game and the highlights that are shown during our game.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 24, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I still think Louisville is a better get
but my guess is that minus Mizzou we go for 3 instead of just 1. I thought I saw somewhere that if Mizzou stayed, we would stay at 10. Is that right?
No one knows for sure.
I guess Deloss Dodds has said he wants to stay at ten. Burns Hargis, OSU pres (and current Chair of the Big 12 Board of Directors) wants twelve. That’s all we really know at this point.
If I were to guess, I’d say we go back to 12. Unless the money really isn’t there, and then we stay at ten.
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He's hoping we get to 12 next year
In the event that we don’t win the Conference this year (which if I’m really honest with my self I don’t see us winning out this year, but then I punch honest me in the face and tell him to drink more beer) I’d like to see divisions back with a Championship game. Does anyone believe we would have lost the North this year? And the way it was set up, I think we would have had either OU/A&M or OSU/Texas this year. We’d be 11-1 and salivating for a BCS game.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
So, is the plan, as you know it...
To get WVU, hope it gets the Big East to effectively dissolve while minimizing the buyout and 27 month waiting period, and then go get Louisville and try to make Brigham Dame a reality?
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Actually
Yes.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
I KNEW IT!!!!
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Sigh...
Mizzou is making a huge mistake.
I would rather we get Louisville, WV, and Cinci, or even a CSU, than get ND without football and BYU football. Full or none. Anything less is ultimately destabilizing. let NDU go to the Valley.
by apewatcher on Oct 24, 2011 2:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
ND isn't a destabilizer...
Here’s the problem. BYU is a very valuable commodity in football. They have a national following. ESPN has their own contract with them. However, they have some goofy travel issues due to LDS stipulations. Now, we can easily get around that if we just don’t play them in anything but football.
ND is not a bad fit, geographically. They have solid non-revenue sports and a good basketball team. We can also set up an agreement where they, hopefully, play X number of Big 12 games per year to help increase the value of our TV contracts. Also, if we create a Big 12 Network, Having ND would be great because their non-revenue sports also have a nationwide appeal, which will help it get on TV platforms.
Basically, by creating a hybrid school called Brigham Dame, you get two national fan bases in your pocket, which increases your overall value. The money can get worked out however it needs to get worked out. BYU can get a 60% cut while ND gets a 40% cut (or however the TV value ratio gets worked out).
We have to think outside of the box here. ND gets blamed for the Big East failing, but that’s because they wouldn’t join the worst AQ conference as a full member (for good reason). This like taking the best of both worlds from the two most popular religious schools in the country and cashing in on it.
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I'm tired of Missouri
It’s sad. I’m sure there are reasonable people at Nebraska, Missouri, and A&M who realize it’s nothing but mob rule and want to stay with their long-time (but not always happy) siblings but they’re powerless. Now, all three schools have left and get the chance to be irrelevant in conferences they share nothing in common with.
Anyway, I really hope the Smiths are back for the rest of the season. I’m still sad Brod was hurt at the end of the NU game last year. Yeah, Harper has become a go-to guy, but Brod WAS the go-to guy, and I think it is sad he’s gone. I want his blocking on the field too. Sheldon simply adds quality depth.
I was delighted by Lockett’s performance against OU. I can’t imagine it happening again, but it is yet another weapon for an offense that no one in the country seems to realize is much better than it has looked at times.
Fuck OU. I hope the Cats crush these assholes and make their trolling fans (who don’t seem to realize KSU just beat the team that beat OU!) cry.
WTF Zenger? Way to cut off Gill’s balls in the middle of the season. Fire him or keep him, DO NOT keep him in limbo.
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Agree on the Zenger thing
Like telling him he has to win to keep his job is going to make them start winning. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t want to be performing as badly as they have been the last 1.5 years. I think he needs another year before anything happens.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 24, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I was chatting with TB about this last night...
KU fires the coach that won the Orange Bowl less than two years after he won it…
KU fires the guy that replaced the coach that won the Orange Bowl two years after he went 1-7 in the conference and didn’t go to a bowl game…
All of this happens while KU scraps plans for the Gridiron Club because they couldn’t generate enough money or interest…
So, if I’m a prospective football coach looking at coaching the University of Kansas, I’m thinking, “Uh, I better get a sweet contract like Gill because I’m looking for a new gig in two years.”
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What's the Gridiron Club?
On another note, what worries me is KU picking up Leach, Skip Holtz, or Leavitt. I’d rather them keep Gill for another year so hopefully those three are somewhere else.
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KU does not have the funds for any of those coaches
as each of those coaches will want more than what Gill received.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 24, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
KU has a lot of sugar daddy's in the closet
that collectively, would cough up the money to get on of them them to Lowrents on the premise that they would end up making enough money to pay their continuing salary.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
Facility update that is on indefinite hiatus (if it hasn't been canceled totally).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQOt0ngsis4
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Jim Leavitt leaves a likely division championship NFL team to coach KU?
Yea, I don’t think so.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Barking Carnival is actually picking against their Purple Masters!
http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2011/10/24/big-12-games-preview-102911/ – OU favored by 13.5? Please. If I was a betting man, I would jump on that now.
http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2011/10/24/big-12-midseason-report/ – WTF? Really? Saying KSU is #5, behind the team they beat last week? You have to be kidding.
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There's doubting, and then there's that.
Utter nonsense.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I'm enjoying reading how despondant the OU fans are after the TT game
Hopefully they’re damned near suicidal after the Cats hammer them this week.
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Press release from the Big 12 meeting today...doesn't say much.
In a regularly-scheduled meeting today at an undisclosed Dallas area location, the Big 12 Conference Board of Directors reaffirmed previous action to execute institutional grants of Tier 1 (over-the-air) and Tier 2 (cable) television rights to the Conference.
The Board also discussed a wide range of topics including NCAA legislation, the Bowl Championship Series, and exploration of a Conference dedicated TV network. Additionally, a strong desire for the University of Missouri to maintain its Big 12 affiliation was expressed. All 10 member institutions and TCU participated in the meeting.
it doesn't, does it.
what AmmoCat provided is the press release but here’s the link.
All the other BigXII press releases are here.
I wonder if this should have scary movie music soundtrack or happy inspiring movie soundtrack? Or maybe depressing, we didn’t get what we wanted music soundtrack.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 24, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, man. They discussed a network.
I mean, hey, I’m just saying.
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I bought you a book.
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by BlackCats on Oct 25, 2011 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here let me fix that for you.
Additionally, a strong desire for the University of Missouri to maintain its Big 12 affiliation shit or get off the pot was expressed.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Question: Does Mike DeArmond write for RMN or the KC Star?
Okay, apologies to Bill C and the crew over there on that one. But seriously, DeArmond doesn’t even make a pretense of not being a homer.
homer or homo?
As in homogeneously in tune with the vocal minority radical fan base sect.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
either way, there's some stellar journalism in there
Or serious lack of an editor at the Star
Now, to show you out out of it some folk seem to be, that same school administrator that told Bohls that Missouri would have to stay in the Big 12 all next season .
Is this guy used to quoting Bill Self or something? What a fine journalism school that is Z-O-U.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Yeah, he's a talentless and shameless hack
And I loved this one in the first link:
Across Internet message boards poured frustration from Missouri fans anticipating the school would give the Big 12 formal notice of its withdrawal, if not announce its application for membership of the Southeastern Conference.
Seriously, Mike? Is your job to cover internet message boards or to report on the goings-on of Mizzou sports? Pathetic.
It's hilarious because he's leading the charge for creating the frustration with all of his rumors.
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I was surprised they were an active member in the discussions.
I mean, I’m not, but on a certain level, I kind of am.
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