Postgame Reaction: That School Down the River
K-State notched its second-straight blowout of in-state rival KU, and its third win in a row overall in the Sunflower Showdown, with a 59-21 victory over the Jayhawks on Saturday.
With the victory, K-State moves to 7-0 on the season, and is tied with Oklahoma State at 4-0 in the Big 12 conference. Notably, this weekend's opponent now lags a game behind, as the Oklahoma Sooners lost to Texas Tech in Norman on Saturday to fall to 3-1 in the conference standings. K-State also moved up to No. 8 in the BCS standings, and is now 10th in the AP poll and 12th in the USA Today poll.
The win also sets up next week's showdown in Manhattan with Oklahoma, although the Sooners' loss to Tech knocked a little of the spotlight off the matchup. Still, the game has plenty of conference title implications. K-State could cement its claim to no worse than second in the conference race with a win, while OU climbs right back into the race if it can pull off a road win. As we all know, there is no love lost between K-State fans and Bob Stoops and Brent Venables, and the atmosphere at Bill's House on Saturday should be raucous. Hit the jump for more on the Sunflower Beatdown.
What I liked......dominating our in-state rival. Don't forget, a mere four years ago, K-State endured a humiliating defeat in Lawrence, in the game that ultimately led to Ron Prince's firing. Part of being a K-State fan is never taking wins for granted, and we should never take a blowout win over that school down the river lightly.
...winning the hidden-yardage stats. For the second straight week, Tyler Lockett returned a kickoff for a touchdown. K-State was +2 in turnover margin thanks to two KU fumbles and no giveaways. KU had 80 more yards in penalties than did K-State.
...an efficient game from Collin Klein. The junior had a career-high in passing yardage with 195 yards in three quarters of work. One touchdown looked just fine next to zero interceptions and 92 rushing yards that resulted in four touchdowns.
...a dominating defensive effort. Ignore that meaningless final drive on which KU went 72 yards (plus a personal foul against K-State) and scored a touchdown against our band and drama club. Even with that drive, K-State held KU below 300 total yards, when the Jayhawks had been averaging 420 total yards per game on the season. With sacks (14 yards) and other losses figured in, KU netted only 76 rushing yards. There was plenty of complaining about Chris Cosh and the soft zone in the second quarter and late in the game, but overall this was a dominating defensive effort.
...a breakout performance for Tyler Lockett. The true freshman validated his kickoff return against Texas Tech with another against KU, and led K-State with 110 receiving yards and a touchdown catch. I can only imagine that UT fans who lived through the Kevin Lockett and Aaron Lockett eras are cringing at the very mention of that name.
What I didn't like...
...conservative, soft defense in the second quarter. As I said above, overall this was a dominating defensive effort. But in the second quarter, the defense lost a bit of focus and gave up a lot of passing yards and two touchdowns. Unlikely that we'll have to worry about that in a closer game, but it was frustrating.
...inconsistent special teams. On the bright side, we returned a kick for a touchdown and made the only field goal we attempted. On the other hand, we got no touchbacks, almost gave up a couple long kick returns, only being saved by KU penalties, and some rather ordinary punting. Ryan Doerr averaged less than 40 yards on his punts, had one punt tipped, and had a long boot of 41 yards on the day.
What it means and where we're going...
Most of this was already covered above the jump. K-State and Oklahoma State are now the only undefeated teams in the Big 12. Although the most difficult stretch of K-State's schedule still lies in front of it, the Wildcats control their destiny at this point. Beat Oklahoma at home and Okie State on the road, and don't lose more than one among games at home with Texas A&M and at Texas (and assuming they take care of Iowa State), then the Cats can win the Big 12. No small task, that, but the fact that it's now only one month until November and it's still possible is amazing considering what the season's expectations are.
Here's a quick look at what K-State's non-conference opponents this season did last week:
Eastern Kentucky: The Colonels got a homecoming win over Tennessee State, 33-22, and are now 4-3 on the season. Nothing will ever excuse how K-State played in that game, but EKU is putting together a decent season and is rolling toward and Ohio Valley Conference championship.
Kent State: Idle. Best showing on the season for the Golden Flashes. Long two weeks to think about that ugly 9-3 loss to Miami (OH).
Miami: The Hurricanes are putting things together and nabbed a 24-7 victory over No. 20 Georgia Tech on Saturday. Like EKU, Miami is now 4-3 on the season. The Hurricanes should pick up two more wins the next two weeks with home games against Virginia and Duke ahead before a big matchup in Tallahassee.
Big 12 Roundup
Oklahoma State 45, Missouri 24
Missouri hung tough for a while but, my goodness, that Oklahoma State offense is a sight to behold. Even losing Justin Blackmon to an apparent concussion couldn't slow down the Pokes, who rolled up 533 total yards. With the game still in doubt in the third quarter, Joseph Randle delivered with touchdown runs of 16 and 59 yards to put the game away. And it's not just Randle and Brandon Weeden-to-Blackmon that makes Okie State tick, as the Cowboys had four receivers with five or more receptions. For its part, Missouri ran the ball well with 248 net rushing yards, including 138 for Henry Josey. The best part of this game? Gus Johnson did the play-by-play. We really need to have him do a K-State game this year. I can hear it now: "KLEIN ... DROPS BACK TO PASS ... LOOOOOKING ... FIRES ... GOT IT!!!!!" Next weekend, Oklahoma State returns home to face Baylor, while Missouri will travel to College Station to play an SEC cross-divisional matchup with Texas A&M.
Texas A&M 33, Iowa State 17
Iowa State pulled Steele Jantz in favor of Jared Barnett -- side note, every time the announcers called his name, I thought they were saying Gary Barnett -- and actually led Texas A&M after the first quarter. The Aggies woke up in the second quarter and took a 20-7 lead into the locker room at halftime, but the Cyclones hung around, somewhat within striking distance, through the third quarter. A&M gouged Iowa State for almost 250 rushing yards and more than 500 total yards, with Christine Michael and Cyrus Gray leading the way with more than 100 yards apiece. Ryan Tannehill threw for 263 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions on the day. Barnett didn't turn the ball over, as Jantz is wont to do, but he completed less than half his passes and averaged only 5.0 yards per attempt. Next week, Iowa State travels to Lubbock to face Texas Tech.
Texas Tech 41, Oklahoma 38
After a 90-minute rain delay, only one team actually returned to the field, and that team was not the homestanding Sooners. After throwing four interceptions against K-State, Seth Doege dissected Oklahoma for 441 yards and four touchdowns and no interceptions. Of course those numbers were only ordinary on the evening, as both teams passed for more than 400 yards and combined for more than 1,100 total yards between them. Landry Jones had five touchdowns on 412 yards passing, but it wasn't enough to overcome the Sooners' pathetic defensive showing on the evening.
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we need a complete game this week, next week and the week after
OU, OSU and aTm will all take advantage of any lapses by K-State.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 24, 2011 10:30 AM CDT reply actions
while Missouri will travel to College Station to play an SEC cross-divisional matchup with Texas A&M.
like what you did there…
Regarding the image attached to this post....
was it chosen why I think it was chosen?
I mean, it’s not just me, right?
screw this, I should be sleeping anyway.
Well...
…I almost didn’t choose it for that very reason, but I wanted to use someone other than Klein, Hubert and Lockett, and that was the best option I saw.
We'll carry the banner high!
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by TB on Oct 24, 2011 10:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn you GrumpyCat
I hadn’t noticed and now I can’t unsee it.
I don't think Kevin Lockett's time at KSU coincided with playing Texas, did it?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Probably not, I was just pointing out the fear...
…struck in most Texas fans upon hearing the name “Lockett.” Should have just said Aaron.
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by TB on Oct 24, 2011 11:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm legitimately not sure on this.
I think it depends if Kevin redshirted or not. I just know he’s my age, and graduated in either 96 or 97. But yeah, UT fans aren’t going to want to see another Lockett running around the field against them.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Kevin terrorized OU, along with everyone else (but he really messed with OU) ...
David Allen was the guy who criminally abused Texas fans in the late 90’s.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Oct 24, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
If the 'Cats can continue to chew clock and keep OU's offense off the field
I really really like their chances. As in, I like them like them. I don’t want to see a shootout track meet game.
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Ive been really REALLY impressed with you guys this year
I thought this was the game we would lose, but after losing to TT, I dont see how the sooners dont come out and dominate this game. Hopefully we can get back the key players that didnt play against tech
whaley, walker, habern, wort, and most of all fleming.
If just fleming had played, OU could have completed the come back I think. I give a ton of credit to tech for exploiting gabe lynn and holding OUs offense in check for most of the first half.
I think you will see a motivated sooner squad this week
42-31 sooners
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I see your 42-31 Sooners, and I raise you 33-21 Wildcats!
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I've been surprised by how much Landry Jones has struggled at times this year
He ended up with good stats from that Tech game, but he was missing some pretty open receivers at times and never looked comfortable. That’s not the first time it’s happened this year, either.
If we can do that to him, I like our chances in this game. If not, then look out. OU is going to be pissed.
We need to knock him down a couple of times in the first two series.
Don’t let him get settled in and we have a chance to win.
There’s other ways to win, but this one is big.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fortunately for us
being pissed doesn’t win games. In fact it may detract focus.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
sooners dont lose back to back games, except in 2003, when they are good
sam bradfords injury year obviously they did.
I think our offense, with whaley back, and getting wort, walker, and fleming back, will be the difference
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What back-to-back games did they lose in 2003?
I forget.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
KSU in the title game. which you know
LSU in the title game. which yo…..
shit lol!
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Just wanted to see you actually write it... ;)
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
One thing i noticed on TV
After Hubert and Lamur scored their touchdowns, Klein was jumping around celebrating with them and looked almost happier than when he scored his own touchdowns.
That says a lot about the kind of leader/teammate he is.
This is just a complete guess on my part ...
But I bet that HBCK is actually a little sheepish about how many short TDs he gets to score.
He has no reason at all to be ashamed. It’s the way this offense works. It’s why this team is so good in the red zone. But I bet if you asked him, he would like it if our TDs were spread around a little more.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Oct 24, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought it was amusing
The look of Slamur’s face was priceless, he was like a kid in a candy store. I’m sure he said to Klein “Is this what it feels like to be a honey badger?”
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I don't see anything surprising in this
Why wouldn’t you be thrilled that your team is winning? It’s not like Colin’s job is on the line and the other guy came in and looked better.
He may be a great teammate and all that—but this particular vignette doesn’t indicate anything to me.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Oct 25, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Rewatching the game, his celebration didn't stand out as much as i originally thought it did
And of course he’ll celebrate others scores – my original point was that he seemed really, really happy for them. Rather than just pleased in general. But i think i misjudged that a little, going through the 2nd time.
Exactly the game the Cats needed
Starters resting in the 4th quarter, and another dead Jay-chicken. I figured up, and including this year’s game, Snyder’s average score (including losses) against KU is 35 – 13. How about the next time KSU plays in Lawrence, we get some BOTCers together and we put a big sign on KU’s stadium saying “Bill Snyder Family Stadium East”?
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The biggest concern for me is on the Kickoff team.
It seems like they have got Cantele just kind of pooching it to around the 15 and planning on having the coverage team stay in their respective gaps. I just don’t like that method especially when you are kicking it to Broyles. I’d much rather kick it to the endzone or around the 5 and make him earn the yardage. Maybe it’s a deal where Cantele just doesn’t have the leg but I noticed against KU that they routinely started drives at the 35 or better and you can’t give Landry Jones and Co. that kind of field position. Just my two cents, what do you guys think?
Definitely an area of concern.
Though in the Tech game the kickoff coverage was superb.
But I agree. If OU has the field position KU did in the first half we’ll be in big trouble.
Cantele hit almost every kick into the endzone against TT
Why couldn’t he do it against KU?
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did not need to.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 24, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
They looked like they were trying to pop it up.
The theory is, if you can kick it high enough your cover guys can get down there and make the tackle at the 15 (though from where I first heard the idea you want to kick it to the 10). Kind of makes it like a punt. Plus it’s a live ball, which we almost recovered one.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Yeah I agree that it was the goal to do that, my concern is that it's not the best option against a guy like Broyles.
I just think that field position will be more critical than the opportunity to get a turnover. In Snyder I trust though.
Which Snyder?
Unfortunately the one calling the plays for special teams is not the Snyder in which I trust.
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KU was a giant scrimmage...try out a bunch of new things.
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Cantele
Everything about him scares me. He’ll be fine sometimes and awful others. The think is with a kicker, the major determinant of his effectiveness is his consistency. It’s almost meaningless that he can hit a fifty yarder down the middle as long as he’s likely to shank the occasional PAT and pull every third chip shot field goal. I wish one of the freshmen were deemed ready.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Oct 25, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
you don't like him, and I don't know why
So he wiffed on a PAT, and he’s not been perfect on FGs, I don’t see the issue. I have every confidence every one of his kicks is going through, and that’s all I can ask from a kicker. He won the Baylor game, he provided the margin in the EKU game, and he helped to break KU’s morale in the KU game. What else would you like him to do?
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Not miss a PAT?
Too much to ask for?
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 25, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
The PAT looked like a bad snap to me
Anybody else see that?
He doesn't TRUST him, which I understand,
given that he shanked a PAT, and misses short FGs more often than he should.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Cantele isn't a great kicker, but he's been servicable and come through when we really needed him to
Much like Hubert, actually.
I’d like it if we had a kicker we could trust a little more too, but I don’t think we can complain too much about the job he’s done so far this year.
As was mentioned very well by a poster on goEMAW today...
We have a second opportunity to put our foot on the throat of KU’s football program.
If the administration can execute and get us the facilities upgrades that are supposed to be coming, and we can strategically capitalize on this, we need to do everything in our power to increase the now widening gap between Kansas State and Kansas in football.
We’re in a position of financial strength. They are in a position of financial duress. We have an established coach that will most likely be here at least five more years….who knows who will be at KU in the next five years.
This was the second straight crushing victory IN LAWRENCE. Next year it comes back to Manhattan, where we’ll most likely crush them again.
It’s time to finish the job this time and make sure they don’t get back up off of the mat.
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By the way, “most likely” just doesn’t cover the level of certainty that is the chance that KSU will disembowel ku in Manhattan next year. That is “sun will come up tomorrow” likely.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Oct 24, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
All it takes is the right man there and the wrong man here to change everything
The only way to make sure KU doesn’t get up off the mat is if they disband their football team, which is never, ever, going to happen.
I think KSU football is toast when Snyder retires again.
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Create a situation where they can compete...
And that means facilities and generating the kind of money and support structure that makes it attractive to hire a good coach.
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Why this fatalistic view?
Always black or white…toast? That is a bit extreme.
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I still maintain my speculation on the facilities improvements
that they’d be in full PR mode with it right now, and all season if it wasn’t for all the conference mess that’s been going on. I think they’re playing it safe and waiting for that to calm down before going on any capital campaigns. Which I think is very smart on John Currie’s part. But again, let me reiterate, this is all speculation on my part. But as you know being in the Architecture field myself, I’m just giddy and want to see some renderings!
"Nor yet in Dell?"
That was an issue a while back, but they're past it now.
What I understand to be the hold up now is whether or not they’re going to “close the bowl”.
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On the N end? or upper deck wise on the S end?
Hmm…either way I’m not sure we have the butts to fill that! But I like the sounds
"Nor yet in Dell?"
I've seen some plans for new additions to the Press Box,
But i’m not sure what all that entails or when it may happen
Nothing has been designed yet (we are not even at DD level yet).
But this is happening.
Things are definitely in motion and moving forward.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 24, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
You sure?
Cause i saw a picture of what it might look like and it basically extends the whole west side as well as adding another level to what is currently there
That seems stupid big...
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Probably not a huge capacity upgrade
Most likely adding more boxes and suites which will take away seats that are there now, so endzone seats will add back to the numbers. This will bump up the $$’s for the program which is all good.
Yes...
This is what i meant… sorry if I wasn’t clear on that
I work in Facilities planning
I’m in the office next to the KSU architect wo is managing it.
We have concepts about what we might want it to look like, but we are definitely not to bid document stage yet.
I’m not trying to say it isn’t going to happen…not at all. It IS going to happen.
And yes, the idea is to enlarge the press box. It would essentially go from endzone to endzone, and full height. They want it to be an imposing structure.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 24, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
holy freaking cow!
But knowing that it’s usually much easier to build new than add on, I’m surprised they’re even keeping the old structure. Perhaps it would help with occupying it/staging as I imagine a structure that large would take longer than 9 months to construct (9 months = Monday following last home game until kick off of following season’s First game)
I’ve long heard of the W side expansion, that’s why I originally asked the follow up question to Pan’s comment as to the bowl continuation. Never heard of that.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
My friend posted that picture to twitter this summer.
I saw and and about shat myself out of sheer awesomeness
Sorry, I didn't necessarily mean they are keeping what is there
I think the plan is to start from scratch.
I’m not totally positive though.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
And after looking at the image again,
it kinda looks like they are buildng up and around what it already there.
Yes, 9 months would be very aggressive for something like this.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 25, 2011 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
The explanation I heard
They would build the ends (the part of the structure on the westside that isn’t there now), move the people in the existing boxes to those tear down the middle and move the peeps back in and then sell the ends. I.E., it won’t be done in 9 months. Not sure what the timeline is, but they plan on being under construction through at least one season.
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when you say take away seats
you are simply referring to the number of aluminum free standing bleachers on the West side. I have some idears for adding back to the bowl to get those numbers back up.
Yea I don’t think KSU could build much more past the 56,000-58,000 target area. Just not enough people. You saw how long it took for OSU to fill up their 60,000 seat palace on a regular basis. Kansas just isn’t physically big enough. Though we ought to be able to support something bigger than Jack Trice with what we have going.
But the press box is the smartest place to start.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Nothing has actually been designed at this point
But this is happening.
THings are definitely in motion and moving forward.
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Derp
Meant to reply to tonyg
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 24, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
that's about where I'd expect it to be...
All conceptual. I still remember how different the E side expansion ended up being from the original watercolor that was released.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
This was the game I picked OU to lose
but since they shit the bed last week, I think they pull this one out.
it should be close in the fourth, and OU pulls away at the end to win by 11, as TT losses to ISU and screws everything all up
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KSU 33 OU 21
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all i can say is im sooooo glad
darren sproles is in the NFL
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