Kicking the Tires: That School Down the River

by TB on Oct 21, 2011 7:45 AM CDT in News

It hasn't been pretty thus far for KU. After opening with wins over McNeese State and Northern Illinois, the bottom fell out with a 66-24 loss in Atlanta, when Georgia Tech ran for 600 yards on the KU defense. The Jayhawks rebounded with a solid showing against Texas Tech in Lawrence before putting up a historically embarrassing effort against Oklahoma State, in which the Cowboys led at 56-7 at halftime. After that performance, all bets were off for what Oklahoma would do to KU in Lawrence last weekend. To the surprise of some, the Sooners sleepwalked through the game and "only" won 47-17.

That improved showing by KU has given some hope that it can keep pace with K-State this weekend, even possibly pull off the upset. And I'm on record as warning K-State fans not to be overconfident. As bad as things have been for KU, and as bad as the game last year went for KU, I really do think that this game will be close through the first half. It would not surprise me at all to see our game thread in near-meltdown mode at about 1:00 p.m. on Saturday after a less-than-inspiring, or at least anything short of a blowout, first half.

Players to Watch

K-State

Rushing: John Hubert, 105 carries, 545 yards, 4.2 yards/carry, 1 TD, 90.8 yards/game

Passing: Collin Klein, 70-119-3, 739 yards, 7 TD, 123.2 yards/game

Receiving: Chris Harper, 21 receptions, 251 yards, 12.0 yards/reception, 3 TD, 41.8 yards

Defensive Line: Jordan Voelker, 18 tackles, 5.0 TFL, 4.0 sacks

Linebacker: Arthur Brown, 45 tackles, 4.5 TFL, 2.0 sacks, 1 INT

Secondary: David Garrett, 33 tackles, 2.0 TFL, 0.5 sacks, 2 INT, 1 fumble recovered

Rushing: James Sims, 102 carries, 455 yards, 4.5 yards/carry, 6 TD, 75.8 yards/game

Passing: Jordan Webb, 93-142-5, 1,238 yards, 11 TD, 206.3 yards/game

Receiving: Tim Biere, 21 receptions, 246 yards, 11.7 yards/reception, 1 TD, 41.0 yards/game

Defensive Line: Keba Agostinho, 16 tackles, 1.0 TFL, 1.0 sacks

Linebacker: Steven Johnson, 63 tackles, 5.0 TFL, 1 INT

Secondary: Bradley McDougald, 36 tackles, 2.0 TFL, 1.0 sacks

KU's top tackler among its defensive line is 11th on the team in total tackles. Granted, they've played in a 3-4 defense most of the season, but it's clear the defensive line isn't doing much, and the stats bear that out. KU is last in the conference and 106th nationally in sacks, and 106th nationally in tackles for loss. Collin Klein should have plenty of time to throw on the relatively rare occasion that he does drop back to pass in this game, which is a luxury he hasn't had a ton of thus far.

Jordan Webb is averaging a respectable 8.7 yards per attempt this season. Of course, he's averaging almost an interception per game, too. Overall, the KU offense really isn't bad (see stats below), and it's kind of surprising to me that some of you can't admit that KU has been better on offense this year than K-State by any reasonable measure. Granted, KU hasn't faced the greatest defenses (average rank 68th), but neither has K-State (average rank: 63.6). If you want to say that K-State has been more effective, then sure, anyone could probably agree with that considering K-State is 6-0. But let's not kid ourselves. K-State isn't 6-0 because its offense has been especially potent this season.

Team Statistics (from CFBStats.com)

Rushing Offense:

K-State: 25th nationally, 206.00 yards/game

KU: 23rd nationally, 206.83 yards/game

Passing Offense:

K-State: 114th, 130.2 yards/game

KU: 73rd, 218.3 yards/game

Total Offense:

K-State: 94th, 336.2 yards/game

KU: 40th, 425.2 yards/game

Rushing Defense:

K-State: 16th, 96.83 yards/game

KU: 116th, 227.17 yards/game

Pass Efficiency Defense

K-State: 49th

KU: 119th

Total Defense

K-State: 37th, 345.7 yards/game

KU: 120th (dead last), 565.0 yards/game

No, that's not a reprint of K-State's defensive statistics from last year, although you could be forgiven for thinking that may be the case. KU ranks among the worst five defensive units in the country in all three major statistical categories. Not that any competition justifies being that bad, but KU has played a lot of really good offenses thus far. In fact, the average ranking in total offense for KU's opponents is sixth (NIU 17th, GT 9th, Texas Tech 6th, Oklahoma State 2nd, Oklahoma 4th). I'm telling you, don't be surprised if K-State doesn't put up incredible numbers on this KU defense. First of all, K-State is more opportunistic than "good" on offense, and KU's defensive numbers are skewed downward based on the high-flying offenses it's faced thus far. I mean, they'd only be something like 98th if they'd played an average schedule.

On offense, KU is slightly above average and you would expect that K-State's defense should limit the Jayhawks fairly significantly. The strengths match up there, as K-State is solid at stopping the run, while KU is much better running than throwing. If K-State can stop KU's running game without committing a safety to the box, then KU is going to have a lot of trouble moving the ball. Jordan Webb hasn't been terrible, but he's probably not going to carry this KU offense on his own.

Here is the matchup in the "hidden yardage" stats that K-State tends to do so well in.

Turnover Margin

K-State: 11th nationally, +6

KU: 100th, -5

Penalties

K-State: 49th, 48.7 yards/game

KU: 22nd, 40.8 yards/game

Third-Down Conversions

K-State: 26th, 47.9 percent

KU: 44th, 44.6 percent

Red-Zone Conversions

K-State: 53rd, 83.33 percent

KU: 45th, 87.5 percent

Time of Possession

K-State: 2nd, 35.32

KU: 27th, 31:45

The hidden-yards stats are generally in K-State's favor, but not overwhelmingly so. K-State needs to be sure to hold on to the ball, as it's been awfully close to several fumbles in the last few weeks. In a cleanly played game, KU doesn't have much of a chance against K-State. But give them a few turnovers and a chance to put cheap points on the board, and the underdog has life.

Ordinarily, I'd be concerned about this team going on the road, but in this situation that's probably not much of an issue. The road trip is only 80 miles, so there's not a lot of time for things to go wrong. Once inside the stadium, K-State will likely see about 40 percent of the stadium clad in purple, so there shouldn't be an issue with noise.

Even given the favorable road conditions, however, don't be surprised at all if this game is not in hand at halftime. I'd love nothing more than for this team to get off to a fast start, demoralize KU early, and coast to another 59-7 type of win. But I think this game will be in doubt through the first 30 minutes. In the second half, K-State's rushing attack will wear down the Jayhawks, and K-State will finish off its third-straight win over that school down the river, 38-21.

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There was some nice coach speak up there but let's face it...

against an option team KU allowed 600+ yds on the ground. So if they are not sound in their assignments and maintain gap control look for K-State to go for 300 on the ground alone. Then you mix in a few passes and you arrive at 150 or so through the air.

The only reason KU was even in the game against OU was two broken plays by their offense. One of which went 50+ yards for a TD. OU’s offense inexplicably decided it was going to throw almost every down come hell or high water. Perhaps this was to assure that Broyles broke the NCAA record. Landry, in one series alone, missed 3 wide open receivers one of which was in the endzone which kept the score close early.

You hardly touched on special teams here in which K-State is 11th in the nation in KO returns. Will KU be able to stop our hidden yardage in this department? Indications are not in their favor.

All in all if we maintain possession, don’t turn the ball over and just execute we should pull away from KU just as Oklahoma did with a less than stellar effort. I see a 41-10 or 38-17 final in favor of the Cats.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Oct 20, 2011 11:53 PM CDT reply actions

That's not a lot different from the 38-21 final I predicted

And it’s not coach-speak. If you look at the numbers, there’s reason to believe KU can hang around for a while.

We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats

by TB on Oct 21, 2011 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions

Our offensive numbers are skewed don't forget.

We tried some interesting O-line experiment in the EKU game which has distorted our offensive potential. Not to mention the take the foot of the gas approach to Kent State. Otherwise our running and passing numbers would be better.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi

by Catbacker98 on Oct 21, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions

You're gonna be doin' a whole lotta losin' ... when you're coachin' at that schoooool dowwwwn the riverrr!

Matt Foley: “Young man what do you wanna do with your life?”
Turner Gill: “Well actually, Matt, I kinda wanna be a good football coach.”
Matt Foley: “Well la-de-freakin’-dah! We got ourselves a football coach here! Hey, Sheahon, I can’t see too good is that Eddie Robinson over there? Hey, Turner, you’re probably saying to yourself: I’m gonna go out there and grab the world by the tail! and wrap it around and pull it down and put it in my pocket. Well I’m here to tell you that you’re probably going to find out, as you go out there, that you’re not going to amount to jack squat!”

by Itchy n Scratchy on Oct 20, 2011 11:58 PM CDT reply actions 16 recs

Hope they're not looking ahead to OU

I’ve been nervous about this game since the whistle sounded last week. I KNOW KSU is the better team by far, but they’ve been hearing about how good they are all week and how big this matchup with OU will be, I hope they’re not listening and play with that chip on their shoulder they’ve had all year.

by IndianaCatFan on Oct 21, 2011 5:48 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs

I'm down with this feeling as well

This game has me nervous (well, every game has me nervous). KU will be playing for pride, looking to avenge last season’s blowout and desperate to be the one to pop the bubble on the “Miracle in Manhattan” story, version II. Hopefully our guys aren’t looking ahead to OU because I’m not sure this team – particularly on offense – can afford to overlook anyone.

by CT-K-Stater on Oct 21, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions

Which is why I don't think they will

The team is just as clued into the fact that these haven’t been easy wins and they have had to work til the clock reads 00:00 to win. I think blowing teams out is probably the biggest contributing factor to overlooking teams.

this is why I said after the EKU game that the 10-7 final score may actually serve the team a lot more over the course of the season than a score of 55-7 would have.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 21, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions

I can see this game being close for a half

or possibly longer, but some of that is going to be on how many ku players buy into this being a rivalry game.

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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 21, 2011 6:55 AM CDT reply actions

KSU 28 - 14 KU

I am pretty much in agreement with TB on this one. Most everyone here is being irrationally dismissive of KU’s offense. They have a decent offense, and I think it is very possible that they hang around with us for even the whole game.

Are we capable of blowing them out? Of course. Are they capable of beating us? Absolutely.

I trust Snyder to keep his team focused on each week and not the next one, but this is the very definition of a trap game.

I think KSB is going to be disappointed that we don’t hang 40 on them.

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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 21, 2011 8:15 AM CDT reply actions

I still want triple digits,

no matter how unlikely it is.

by Anon_the_younger on Oct 21, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions

I think it would be considered more of a trap game if it was ISU...

I maintain that regardless of how bad or good either team may be in a particular year, this is the one game that neither team would ever look past. It is all about the in-state bragging rights. One of the articles a player mentions how the Governor’s Cup has been here for the last 2 years, and it would just feel wrong if it wasn’t here.

I believe the guys will be focused. This is an opportunity for them to put a game away, and I would hope they want to do that instead of have it come down to the final posession.

Yes, any team can win on any given week (heck, we have been THAT team for 4 straight weeks), but as far as the team looking past KU, I think that is unlikely.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 21, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions

Agree ... here's my math for this game ...

This KSU team will wage all-out war for Bill Snyder
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Killing ku is Bill Snyder’s #1 on-field priority every single year
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This KSU team has already experienced great success on the road
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ku really does suck a lot this year
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Trap game potential with huuuuuge OU game coming next
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11:00am start time (KSU is always lethargic on the road in am starts)
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38-17 KSU

I think either KSU starts slow and ku starts fast and gets a couple of early scores, or ku gets a couple of trash scores late … either scenario they end up with 17 points, maybe 21.

I will be appalled if the KSU O isn’t pounding out long scoring drives (unless they are scoring on all short fields due to turnovers/special teams).

ku’s O isn’t helpless, but Webb is vulnerable. And I do expect the KSU D to come up with multiple 3-and-outs during the game.

Stay away from turnovers and poor special teams play … and an early injury to HBCK … and KSU really should handle this pretty easily.

by Itchy n Scratchy on Oct 21, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions

Stay away from ANY injury to HBCK, please.

Thanks.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 21, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions

Why are you mentioning such a tragedy?

Do you want to bring that hell down upon us?

Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!

by MeatGeek on Oct 21, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions

Just heard Stan Weber say something to the effect of

KU’s current offense being the third best in program history in terms of yards gained. In other words, a typical 2011 Big 12 team, string offense, suspect defense.

As a result, I’m guessing HCBS continues to go for ball control and time of possession instead of points. Barring a first half turnover meltdown ala the OSU game, I think K-State only scores a lot of points if the squawk offense forces them to.

by apewatcher on Oct 21, 2011 10:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions

I guess it all depends upon what you mean by "a lot."

I think KSU will score at least in the high 30s, based upon the fact that CK will take off running on several plays and no KU player will bother to tackle him.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Oct 21, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cats come out throwing.

Snyder knows after watching the film that KU can’t stop a passing game. Look for some early play action and some long throws down-field. It’s just like him to just upset the apple cart early. That may, of course, depend upon what defense KU comes out with. If they put 8 men up in the box and dare us to throw, we’ll see HBCK get a chance to rack up some passing yards.

KSU 37 – KU 17

Freedom is the breath of life.

by rocketman on Oct 21, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions

I hope not

KU’s passing defense has also had the misfortune of facing the 2nd, 5th, and 6th rated passing attacks in the country the last 3 weeks, so another thing that Snyder’s going to see watching the tapes is a whole bunch of plays that Collin Klein and his receivers will never be able to make. Let’s not forget that for all the great things HBCK can do, his career high is still just 146 passing yards, and it’s not like he’s never faced a defense geared up to stop the run.

It’s a nice thought, and occasionally Snyder will do this type of thing, but I really hope tomorrow he just sticks to what works. KU isn’t exactly great against the run, either. Isn’t that right, Georgia Tech?

by Ahearn Alley on Oct 21, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions

I think that fade for the TD, and the well-placed long pass to TT were a portend of things to come.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Oct 21, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions

The fade and that beautiful NFL-esque bullet to Lockett in the Miami games were my favorite passes of the season

I believe Honey Badger can do it, but he hasn’t had to. However, if he ever has to pass for 250 yards, barring a fluke 80 yard pass, the Cats will lose that game.

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by Sean T on Oct 21, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions

He's made some great passes at times, just not very consistent over the course of an entire game

I do think he’s looking better every game.

by smitty3268 on Oct 22, 2011 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions

I am very cognizant of how good KU's offense is

I’ve said that since the first action I saw out of them all season.

I think others around here are being irrationally dismissive of how BAD KU’s defense is. We’ve shown we can score in the 30s and 40s this year, what about KU’s defense makes you think we’ll struggle to get to around that area (keep in mind I would consider a 28pt game in the neighborhood of 30s)

"Nor yet in Dell?"

by GTcat on Oct 21, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions

Well, nothing then, if you consider my 28 point prediction to be in that area

But see below about my habits.

But as has been mentioned about lucky bounces on fumbles, we can’t keep getting those going our way, and I’d much rather be unlucky against KU and pull out a close win so we can save the lucky bounces for later (because you can totally store up luck like that. Luck is a real, tangible thing, that should not be spent lightly). /sarcasm

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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 21, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions

We can't?

Cause it didn’t keep happening for Auburn?

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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 21, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions

They paid off the Luck distributors for that

We have more integrity.

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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 21, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions

gotcha

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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 21, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions

Halftime: KSU 14 KU 3

Final: KSU 38 KU 9

With a run defense that horrible, there’s no way the Hawks win this game. It really is as simple as that.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Oct 21, 2011 9:21 AM CDT reply actions

Over-confidence cometh before the fall....

…or something like that.

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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 21, 2011 9:23 AM CDT reply actions

reply-fail

meant for KSB.

/facepalm.jpg

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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 21, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions

I don't feel like I'm being overconfident.

I’m simply relying on what the statistics, as well as my eyes (I’ve watched two KU games now) tell me. I’m also relying on the fact that their coach is Turner Gill, and ours is the football equivalent of Jesus.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Oct 21, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions

I completely disagree

Chris, I realize you’re probably at least half-joking, so please don’t take this personally. But I’ve seen this sentiment too much around here not to speak my mind about it, even it makes me sound stupid or paranoid. We are fans, not players and coaches. They can say all they want about taking it one game at a time and not being overconfident, and that’s great. The closer they can get to this ideal, the better they’ll probably do.

As fans, whether or not we overlook an opponent really doesn’t matter at all. It’s our job to look ahead to the big games and imagine our team succeeding even when it’s not realistic, or to debate what’s going to happen a month, or even a season in advance. The only thing that stands a chance of being hurt is our ego, and hopefully most of us can bounce back from that. It’s part of what makes being a fan fun.

Those of you saying you feel nervous about this game because you have a bad feeling based on your past fan experiences with KSU and other teams or because you really think you see something in the stats, that’s fine. I’m a Cubs fan. I understand. But anyone talking in coaching cliches about taking it “one game at a time” and “not overlooking anyone” or delusionally saying “KU’s actually not a bad team”, please relax.

/endrant

For the record, I’m with KSB. KU does have a respectable offense, but I’ll be shocked if we don’t win this game by at least three touchdowns.

by Ahearn Alley on Oct 21, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

As a huge fan, this year seems a little surreal

So I can see why people are getting nervous about coming back to a reality we hope does not exist. I for one am beginning to believe pretty strongly that this team will continue to shock analysts and odds-makers alike.

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by mjk7166 on Oct 21, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions

I agree.

the 6-0 start is pretty awesome.

Do I think we have a brutal stretch of 4 games coming up after KU, ABSOLUTELY. Am I going to automatically assume we lose all for of them (or any of them) just because of what the stats show? Hell no. That’s why the games are played.

And I rather like the idea of thinking of the possibility (albeit, unlikely) of being 11-0 heading into the ISU game way more than thinking (in a much more realistic way) of being 7-4 heading into the ISU game.

Like Aheran said, the only bad thing that would come of me thinking and hoping for 11-0 and actually getting 7-4 is going to be inside my head. And I’m ok with that.

Part of being a fan (to me anyway) is talking smack to non-fans. ESPECIALLY fans of your bitter rival.

That being said, I will be happy with a 1 point win over the BlueDucks, but an exact repeat of last year would be even better, and a triple digit margin would be the absolute best.

GO CATS!!! EMAW!!!

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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 21, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions

So your saying what fans do/believe has no impact on the actual games?

Preposterous!

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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 21, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions

As a rebuttal, I submit the second half game thread from the Tech game

/not really superstitious but like to behave in superstitious manners

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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 21, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions

HA!

You’re right. I didn’t eat that whole pizza myself for nothing!

BUT, that is DURING the game, not postulating about what might happen one, two, or three weeks down the road.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 21, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions

I guess that's just my angle

I’ve been making sure to approach each game with the same mindset (extreme pessimism) because I have chosen to believe that this is actually going to impact the outcome.

The only time I have not done that this season was the EKU game. Coincidence? Unlikely.*

*Actually about 99.999999% likely.

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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 21, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions

So, have you been wearing the same thing on every gameday?

How far do you carry it?

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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 21, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions

I used to do that, until the Prince years.

At that point it was painfully obvious that it wasn’t working.

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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 21, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions

I've been wearing the same KSU Powercat t-shirt during every game

and until they lose one I will continue to do so. Didn’t intend for it to become a pattern, but after the ‘Cats beat Miami I realized I’d been doing it and therefore have been reluctant to discontinue the practice.

by CT-K-Stater on Oct 21, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions

Those are the only ones that work

The unintentional ones. Otherwise you could just pick some really cool awesome ritual, like skydiving or something.

Instead you get stuck with something stupid like wearing the same shirt or feeling really pessimistic all the time.

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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 21, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions

I've essentially done the same thing.

I was wearing a sweatshirt over the t-shirt at the Kent State game, because it got a little chilly towards the end of the game.

Plus it happens to be my favorite KSU shirt at the moment.

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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 21, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions

You've got to also think back to the years when he who shall not be mentioned coached KSU.

We could put up 52 points and still get beat by two touchdowns. I don’t think that’s going to happen tomorrow, but it could. AA is absolutely right in the fact that KU has a respectable offense and it is not totally one dimensional. If we get loose in either phase of our defense, we could be badly burned.

If it becomes a shootout (which I really don’t think it will) we still win by 10.

Freedom is the breath of life.

by rocketman on Oct 21, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions

We held Mizzou to 3 points through 50 minutes, and 17 overall.

KU’s offense isn’t even close to Mizzou’s.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Oct 21, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions

I'll call 42-21 over the Jay-chickens

I agree their offense isn’t bad, and the Cats give up yards at times. But the Cats have a better team, and much better coaching. I’m just not seeing the 1 TD wins Meek and Ubben are suggesting.

by Sean T on Oct 21, 2011 12:15 PM CDT reply actions

I may eat crow,

but I want some of what those two are smoking.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Oct 21, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions

You think that's crazy?

Barry Tramel actually picked Kansas. That must be some damned good shit.

by Ahearn Alley on Oct 21, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions

He's right, a team living on the knife edge will get cut,

But they don’t get cut against KU! OU on the other hand…

by Sean T on Oct 21, 2011 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions

I think KSU wins

in a fashion more than a 1 possession game. So I guess that means by at least 9. Probably won’t win by more than 17 either.

"Nor yet in Dell?"

by GTcat on Oct 21, 2011 12:49 PM CDT reply actions

I really hope...

Our priority on offense is scoring points (like in the second half of the TT game) and not just ball control (like it has been most of the season). I have no problem with playing ball control offense if we’re up by a couple scores and it’s late in a game, but I really don’t think that should be our gameplan from the start of a football game.

On defense I want to see some aggressiveness. Whether that be man to man coverage or blitzes I don’t care. What I don’t want to see is the patented and predictable zone defense ON EVERY SINGLE PLAY. I know it’s Kansas but we shouldn’t underestimate anyone!

My 2 cents

I'll have what you're smoking.

by ksuwild on Oct 21, 2011 1:09 PM CDT reply actions