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I know we've all been pretty preoccupied lately with this whole football thing. It's been kind of awesome. There's also that other thing. It's been considerably less awesome.

With all of that going on, you could be forgiven for knowing that last Friday was the first day for college basketball practices, or as it's known in Lawrence, the end of football season.

Today, the Sprint Center (for the last time?) is holding Big 12 Media Day, so since most of us probably didn't make it there this morning and K-State only had two or three players there anyway, I've taken it upon myself to give you a brief introduction to this year's team.

In order to help the folks unable to detach their minds from football for even one day, I've tried to select the football player who best aligns with each of the 11 guys (like football, get it?) I've chosen from Frank Martin's squad. I apologize to those I had to leave out. 

You'll notice there are no linemen in these comparisons. That is not a coincidence. Luis Colon is no longer on the team.

Before you click on the jump and read on, I should admit the idea for this post came partially from a desire to prove to Pan that I am not so classy as to be above cheap gimmicks to generate page views.

I am fully aware that some of these comparisons are tenuous at best, and for a lot of them, it's going to be up to you to figure out what the hell I was thinking, because I don't want to waste my words.

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Jamar Samuels as Arthur Brown

OK, so Jamar is probably somewhere between Miami Arthur and K-State Arthur. But let's be honest, when he's on his game, is there anybody else on this basketball team who you'd rather see go one-on-one in a must-score situation? I don't think so.

Samuels has a weird tendency to disappear and I've always thought of his willingness to come off the bench as a weakness, rather than an example of him being a team player. If K-State is going to surprise this year and get into the top tier of the incredibly difficult Big 12, JamSam is going to have to be a leader.

I'm not saying he needs to get up into his teammates' faces and elevate their games like Jacob Pullen (or even Curtis Kelly) could do at times. He only needs to lead by example.

The guy is a freak athlete, and with the extra weight he's put on this year, he could be downright scary on both sides of the ball if he can learn to keep his intensity and focus every possession. Even without a great jump shot.

 

Will Spradling as John Hubert

I went back and forth on Spradling last year, wondering at times whether he deserved to be on the floor, and at other times why anyone else should ever play point guard. The guy isn't going to make a lot of highlight-reel plays, and he might be the worst one-on-one player on Kansas State's team.

But he has the kind of vision and discipline you just can't teach, plus a sweet shooting stroke as long as he's not thinking about it too much.

His progression on defense (from atrocious to acceptable) and against pressure last year was nothing short of remarkable, and it might not be unreasonable to expect him to get 30-35 minutes a game leading the offense this season.

 

Rodney McGruder as Chris Harper

When I heard recently that Rodney McGruder's knees were bothering him last season, I found it hard to believe. That's because this guy could simply jump out of the gym, and at times last season he even looked like a reliable guy to create something off the dribble when Pullen was out of the game.

At least until Jamar figures out how to put it all together, McGruder has to be the scoring leader for this team, and it seems like he's got the right temperament for it.

Taking that role is going to mean less settling for three-pointers (even as well as he shot them last year), and here's hoping that's something he's more inclined to do now that his knees are 100 percent.

 

Shane Southwell as David Garrett

If anyone on this team can challenge Samuels' athleticism and wingspan, it's got to be Shane Southwell. His absurd athleticism makes him one of the best defenders in the conference, and an invaluable asset on that side of the floor.

I wish I could say he might develop a jump shot, but I just have not seen it. When your only method of scoring is the occasional layup if there's an open lane to the hoop, you make yourself very easy to defend, and possibly give Frank a reason to take you out of the starting lineup.

 

Jordan Henriquez-Roberts as Brodrick Smith

If you had never seen the Kansas State basketball team play before, it would be really easy to look at JHR and pick him as the team's best player.

Watch his best highlights from last year, when he's using his full height to either make an incredible block or hit a tough, unstoppable jump shot in the post, and you'll wonder why you didn't see his name in the lottery the last time you looked at an NBA Draft board.

Other nights, though, you'll see an uncoordinated seven-footer who looks like he's never practiced a post move before in his life, and if he tries to dribble ... hide the children.

It's probably a little too hopeful to expect J.O. to become an  all-conference player, but it would be nice if we never, ever again see the guy who fouls every possession and looks like he's going to turn the ball over every time he touches it.

 

Martavious Irving as Tysyn Hartman

Martavious can make some really nice plays, but at the end of the day, I just haven't seen the talent or the basketball IQ to be one of the top players on this team. His defense is just short of awful too much of the time, and when the jump shot is off, he becomes fairly useless on offense. 

Being just 6'1" doesn't help, and the fact that he didn't even get an assist per game despite 15 minutes per game starts to give you an idea of how well he fits into the team offense that will be even more important this year.

As a third-year guy, he could be helpful in terms of providing leadership abilities, but in terms of actual gameplay, I see Martavious becoming even less useful. I hope I'm wrong.

 

Omari Lawrence as Angelo Pease

I'll be honest, I don't know a whole lot about any of the new guys coming in, and I definitely don't expect any of them to be immediate game-changers.

But I feel like I've watched enough St. John's basketball to know that anyone who gets recruited to play guard there has to have a certain amount of flash and potential. I mean, this guy was a top recruit in the Bronx. 

Of course, it's pretty obvious this doesn't ever guarantee success for anyone and it seems like Lawrence isn't likely to knock anyone out of their starting lineup spot just yet. Kansas State has enough good perimeter shooters (Spradling, McGruder, Irving, Jones) that a quick slasher with decent size (6'3", 220) and strength could be just what it needs.

 

Jeremy Jones as Tre Walker

This comparison might actually be a bit ambitious with the way Walker is playing, but Jeremy Jones is a fairly high regarded recruit, as far as JUCO basketball players go. It's probably certainly asking too much for him to be the next Ricardo Ratliffe, but he could be a good option to spell McGruder and Southwell on the wings.

Another good three-point shooter, this kid had no problems scoring at Seward County, where he averaged 18.6 points per game while shooting 48.6% from the field. I don't expect him to be anywhere close to those numbers, but if he can make some shots and play respectable defense, he should have no problem making it into the regular rotation.

 

James Watson as Jordan Voelker

Watson isn't quite as heralded as his fellow Kansas JUCO graduate, and with good reason. He averaged just 10.4 points and 6.1 rebounds per game at Cowley last season after disappointing for two years (one as a redshirt) at Washington State.

At 6'8", 230, he almost could be considered small and might have trouble defensively against some of the bigger players in the conference, so he'll fit right in with the rest of K-State's big guys.

It will be nice, however, to have a post player with good hands and an outside jump shot, and I hope I can one day thank him for letting me know he was "getting ashy because that's what black people get when it's cold."

 

Victor Ojeleye as Alex Hrebec

Victor Ojeleye is one of those guys you have to admire and root for when he's on the court, but really, you'd rather see him stay on the bench.

He could be good for team character and morale, but when you're a 6'6", not that athletic power forward, generally the only reason you're getting playing time in the Big 12 is because the game isn't close or the other guys did something wrong.

 

Wally Judge as Bryce Brown

I'm sorry, and I know he's not on the team anymore, but I couldn't resist. The comparison is so obvious that I don't even think I need to go into it.

On a serious note, though, despite all the wasted talent and the immense amounts of frustration they've caused all of us, I'd like to wish Wally and Bryce all the best.

I don't pretend to know either one of them, but it just seems like their biggest issue was that they never really got to the right place mentally, and I'd love to see them find a way past that, even if it's at another school.

 

Frank Martin as Bill Snyder

Just kidding. I love and respect these two men and their unique personalities way too much to try to pretend they have much in common besides amazing leadership, winning, and looking good in purple. /nohomo

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keep writing, you're doing good.

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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 20, 2011 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting note on the Snyder-Martin comparison

Martin was on 810 today and said the he frequently goes to Snyder for coaching advice.

Obviously not Xs and Os, but more just general handling of the players.

I’m sure some of it was a little embellished, but it still is good to know that the two head coaches of our main sports get along well and respect each other.

And great post. I love gimmicks!!!

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 20, 2011 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry about the formatting issues

I’m really not sure why some of the links decided to appear smaller than others, but I couldn’t find a way to fix it. Anyone with the proper authority is welcome to go ahead and adjust it.

Hopefully everyone can still read them. Especially James Watson’s tweet. In fact, if you have time, I’d recommend checking out his entire timeline. He may be able to challenge Jamar for best sense of humor on the team.

by Ahearn Alley on Oct 20, 2011 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

OK. All better.

This is what happens when you paste from Word and you’re not paying attention.

by Ahearn Alley on Oct 20, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love the crack about the black kid and the chinese baby!

"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain

by Sean T on Oct 20, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know how well the team will score, and I'm not sure about FTs

But I do know Martin’s teams will always play tough (if occasionally stupid-foul prone) defense. #6 in the conference is a slap in the face. Bring on the Cats!

"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain

by Sean T on Oct 20, 2011 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Midnight Madness

I’m sure I’m not alone in wishing we had one this year…… Am I?

"It's hard to beat a person who never gives up"- Babe Ruth

by catman88 on Oct 20, 2011 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.

by BlackCats on Oct 20, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was too, but I heard Martin liked not having one ):

"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain

by Sean T on Oct 20, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

He said because we didn't have a home game

he didn’t think people would want to show up…

I also think his words were “it is a pain in the butt for us to put on”.

First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)

by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 20, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)

by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 21, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Midnight Madness is somewhat of a joke

I am glad we didn’t have one. Seems like an opportunity for someone to get hurt jacking around in the dunk contest or intrasquad scrimmage.

If someone can definitively show that it helps recruiting, then I could see it having some merit, but as it currently stands, its just a silly circus show.

by xrayxtals on Oct 21, 2011 7:50 AM CDT reply actions  

What about the incoming Freshman?

Diaz and Gipson, who do they mirror on the football team?

by xrayxtals on Oct 21, 2011 7:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Sams and Tuggle

Everyone says they’re good and/or have potential to be, but no one has seen them.

When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.

by BlackCats on Oct 21, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Will Spradling=Collin Klein

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Oct 21, 2011 10:07 AM CDT reply actions  

I was wondering why Collin was not compared to anyone

but honestly, I don’t think anyone on the current roster would be a fair comparison.

Jake would be the natural comparison, because he played rather Honey Badgerish at times throughout his career. I’m thinking specifically of the Xavier game. And I guess KU last season as well.

First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)

by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 21, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

To me, a Honey Badger comparison is more about the scrappy, tenacious way a player plays, not necessarily the points scored and all that. Jake would have certainly fit the bill during the last half of conference last season. But I just think Will fits it perfectly.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Oct 21, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

And that is exactly what I was referring to in both of the game examples I used.

It just so happens that he outscored the rest of the tem in those two games.

But his attitude in those two games was “I don’t care what has to be done, I’m gonna do it.”

First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)

by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 21, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was more referring to the fact that Will DOESN'T put up huge numbers,

but still is just an absolutely tenacious player. It just reminds me of Collin: no big numbers, but whatever it takes to win. I would probably have compared Jake to Arthur.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Oct 21, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm game with this: How can this not be the Honey Badger?

Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!

by MeatGeek on Oct 21, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can see that

But I’m sticking with Hubert, because I see them as two undersized, less athletic guys surpassing expectations through hard work and a lot of intelligence on the field/court. Klein might have been a better comparison at the start of this season, but the way he’s played so far, I don’t think there is anyone on the basketball team that has done enough to earn the right to be compared to the Honey Badger.

Plus, comparing the white quarterback who runs the offense to the white point guard who runs the offense seems almost TOO obvious.

by Ahearn Alley on Oct 21, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

racist!

totally kidding, of course.

First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)

by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 21, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

To me, the fact that they play analogous positions makes it an even better comparison.

But, it’s your article, and your fun to have, so I’ll defer to you. :)

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Oct 21, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

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