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Giving Props to the Big Boys

I’m generally the last person to give credit to the offensive line. They don’t really meet my definition of an athlete, and personally, I find it absolutely horrifying that we’re encouraging college kids to expand to 300+ pounds.

However, that’s the way the football world works, so we might as well give credit where credit is due in this flawed enterprise. Zach Hanson, Nick Puetz, B.J. Finney, Colten Freeze and Clyde Aufner, step on up.

The outlook for the K-State offensive line was awfully bleak for Bill Snyder 2.3. The Wildcats lost three seniors who started every game, and oh yeah, they would no longer be blocking for the best running back in the league.

As it turns out, two of K-State’s now starters had never even seen the field in an FBS game before this fall, and only one had ever started a Big 12 football game. Generally, this would not be a recipe for success...but I’m getting ahead of myself.

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In week one, we saw things were even worse than we expected as Eastern Kentucky’s scrappy-but-worse-than-David-Eckstein-like defense made K-State’s offensive line look nearly as bad as the Bears did Monday night. Things improved considerably against Kent St., but no one’s ever impressed by what you do against Gary Pinkel’s alma mater.

At last, in game 3, Snyder went to the group of three seniors, a JUCO transfer, and a redshirt freshman that surely worked better than he ever could have expected.

John Hubert had his breakout game, thanks largely to the gigantic holes opened up by the line and fullback Braden Wilson, who you’ll recall I named my Preseason Offensive MVP, largely because I just didn’t have much faith in anyone else on the offense.*

*For that, Collin Klein, or Honey Badger if you prefer, I sincerely apologize. Never again will I judge a quarterback by what his throwing motion looks like. Still, I’m a little terrified of what awaits you if you keep running and throwing the deep ball (or lack of a deep ball, rather) against Oklahoma and the teams not named Iowa State on the schedule in November. 

To understand just how surprisingly good the offensive line has been so far, look no further than one simple numerical comparison: 1,043-1,041. Those are K-State’s rushing totals from 2011 vs. 2010 through five games.

That’s right, the team riding Collin Klein and John Hubert is doing better than the one riding Daniel Thomas, Carson "Molasses" Coffman and (not enough) William Powell.

Of course, there are some caveats to that statistic, most notably that K-State is averaging nearly seven more rush attempts per game this season. It also helps that Collin Klein can occasionally outrun defenders.

On the other hand, this K-State team is even more one-dimensional in its play-calling than last year (70% rushing to 67% rushing after five games) and has considerably fewer passing yards. In fact, it has a quarterback that is a worse passer than Coffman.

Yeah, I said it. Please don't confuse this for me saying that Coffman is a better quarterback, as that is clearly not the case. But since Klein is deservedly the hero of this team so far, allow me to defend such a harsh statement.

It doesn’t help Klein that he doesn’t have an Aubrey Quarles to throw to, but quick warning to those of you who want to argue: Please don’t point to something like the almost-completion on the deep ball last week against Missouri. That’s like saying LeBron James is a champion because he looked great until he made it to the Finals.

I don’t disagree with people who say that K-State’s offense would be considerably more potent if it added a deep threat, but at this point that play call is extremely likely to just wind up being a wasted play.

Bill Snyder says Klein can throw that pass, so I’m not saying it’s impossible, but no matter how good the cast is, you don’t keep watching a mediocre TV show hoping it'll become funny unless you've got nothing better to do and nothing else is on.

Let’s get back to the offensive line real quick before you go enjoy the rest of your Friday. The discipline showed by this unit has been spectacular, and it’s a big part of the reason for the successful ground attack.

As TB showed yesterday, John Hubert knows how to hit the holes if they’re there, but when they’re not, he’s typically not a guy that’s going to make a spectacular play to save bad blocking. The fact that he’s on pace for more than 1,000 yards tells us these linemen (Klein) are doing a hell of a job.

I’m no expert on how guards should pull, or the right way to force a defender outside when you want to run up the middle or vice versa. But Bill Snyder’s play-calling and my own eyes are good enough to tell me that this line can be counted on to get a good push just about any time they need a yard on a quarterback sneak.

Klein has mobility, but he doesn’t have the best pocket presence, so I see it as actually a nice accomplishment for the O-line that he’s only been sacked three times each in the last three games. He has gotten time to throw, though some of his best passes have been on the run.

For the second year in a row, the narrative around Kansas State’s offense is that it’ll run it down your throats and eat up clock, dominating time of possession. The only difference from last year is that this season, the facts aren’t getting in the way.

The best news so far for the big guys up front is their stability in the team’s three biggest wins. Cohesion is crucial up front, and with some much bigger and tougher defenders coming up on the schedule, Kansas State is going to need a solid, confident group of enormous men that have a lot of trust in each other.

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a couple of notes on another nice article

Some folks are large by nature. My brother as an example was at 230-250ish in high school because of genetics, he was always a big kid. As such, most of the lineman are heading towards the area that has good rewards for their genetics.

The offensive line is doing good and it is fun to watch them on the 2 yd QB sneaks.

We got problems but K-State keeps winning … this team will cause cardiac issues but I like watching ’em win.

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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 14, 2011 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

But 300 lbs is a lot, no matter who you are.

I agree with AA that it is awful college students, and even worse, HS students, are 300 lbs intentionally.

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by Sean T on Oct 14, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are some whose genetics allow for it, though.

The ones who concern me are the ones who are 6’1" and 310 pounds. There’s just no amount of genetics that makes that weight at that height healthy. But a 6’5" to 6’7" guy at that weight? Much more likely that they can carry it well. It also depends a lot upon HOW you carry your weight. For example, I carry most of my 245 pounds in my midsection, which is incredibly unhealthy. I’m 6’1", and I’ve seen guys my height carry 240-250 evenly, and look like beasts, I’m not one of those people. It’s the same for these linemen. If you see them with something of a paunch, it’s probably going to cause some health issues. If not, they’ll probably be fine, even if they do have to lose 30 pounds or so after they finish with football.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Oct 14, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

a couple more thoughts

sometimes the paunch is actually due to muscle. I always thought it was blubber, but once my bro reached full size he was strong to an almost freakish amount … after he stopped the sports is when it turned into insulation.

I reached 225 on a 6’4" frame … and folks still thought I was underweight (it was not lean muscle mass either), so I agree with KSB that it depends on the individual and how the weight is distributed.

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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 14, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand this argument

But I think where it falls apart is in the fact that just 20-30 years ago, most offensive lineman weighed at least 50 pounds less than they do right now. Evolution doesn’t work that fast, so it’s pretty obvious that the nature of the sport has just demanded linemen put on the extra weight in order to stay competitive, not for any sort of health reasons.

Then, of course, there are the horror stories of what happens to these guys when their careers are over. Aside from all the physical and mental damage done by just ramming their enormous bodies into each other thousands of times, they’ve got the struggle of losing all of those excess pounds that suddenly aren’t good for anything. It’s really an unfortunate situation, especially for the HS guys, like Sean said.

by Ahearn Alley on Oct 14, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Their is a reason why I always told my high school coach to shove it...

He always wanted to push me to about 240-250 in high school, when I was just 6’ but I always resisted fbecause I wasn’t built for it. And then after high school I find myself at this weight anyway, defines irony.

Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!

by MeatGeek on Oct 14, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

When you go back for homecoming, does the coach give you stinkeye?

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Oct 14, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

He did for awhile

Then his ass got run out of town. It got pretty ridiculus I heard though how he told pretty much every lineman to gain like 50 pounds and most of those kids swallowed that BS. So many knee and ankle injuries, just dumb. Kids that were excellent all around athletes became whales.

Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!

by MeatGeek on Oct 14, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

For sure.

While I’d rather have a 6’3", 270 pound lineman, who’s not “soft-middled”, I’d much prefer a 6’3", 235-240 pound linemen, if he can’t carry those extra 30-40 pounds well.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Oct 14, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

A question..

Klein has been eating the clock down to 1 many times this year. I assumed a lot of times it was just to eat clock and control TOP. Has anyone noticed if he’s actually calling and audible much if any?

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by mjk7166 on Oct 14, 2011 12:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I've noticed him audibling fairly often

but I haven’t paid enough attention to tell you if it was more or less than half the time.

He is audibling (not a word, but oh well) more than 25% though, I’d say (though I wouldn’t count on my anecdotal memory for any hard facts if I were you).

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 14, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

checks

K-State’s offense is built upon checks and audibles. If you are trusted at the QB position then you can change the play.

I think every play has options, but not sure how often option 2 is used instead of option 1.

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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 14, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

Bitchslapping Texas since 1997

by mjk7166 on Oct 14, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brilliant!

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 14, 2011 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I think they're athletes, and I try to give credit to an O-line whenever I can

But other than that disagreement, I think you’re right on. It is fantastic how well this line has come together.

"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain

by Sean T on Oct 14, 2011 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

As someone who, during my own high school football "career", had to rely heavily on the athletic skills of linemen,

I too think that they are, almost without exception, fine athletes.

"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*

by K.S.B. on Oct 14, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

If powerlifting is an Olympic sport

then these guys are definitely athletes…

by jtarkman on Oct 14, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm seriously not trolling here...

but I’ve always had trouble considering NASCAR a sport and the drivers athletes. Yes, I know it’s hard. Yes, I know it takes muscle and endurance. Yes, there is teamwork and strategy.

But at its core, the event is about how well you control a machine, not the human body.

Ya know, like video games.

This topic is usually a powder keg. I’m almost better off mentioning politics.

screw this, I should be sleeping anyway.

by GrumpyCat on Oct 14, 2011 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

It's a sport because you have to be in good shape to compete, I guess

Hell, look at some of the fat fuckers in baseball. You really want to tell me they’re athletes? Really?

"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain

by Sean T on Oct 15, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

So I guess astronauts are athletles

And going to space is a sport?

You have to be seriously in shape to be an astronaut and endure all those Gs during take off and landing.

I think we need to come up with a new term for mechanical ‘sports’ that are more about controlling a machine (like cars, boats, airplanes, spaceships, flying cars, time machines, etc.) with skill than your body.

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 15, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

To compete buddy, to compete. Who are they competing with?

"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain

by Sean T on Oct 15, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

THE RUSSIANS!!!!!!

or the chinese

Would you like some Freys with that?

by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 15, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you suggesting fat people can't be athletes?

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Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!

by MeatGeek on Oct 15, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm saying fat baseball players aren't athletes

They’re fat fucks throwing a ball. I think fat (big) football players are athletes.

"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain

by Sean T on Oct 15, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

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