K-State Slate: 10.11.11
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In both his stints as K-State coach, year three has been the turning point for Bill Snyder's programs. Last time, it was a close loss to Nebraska. We'll have to wait to see what this Year Three holds.
Excellent article from Smart Football's Chris Brown on how New Orleans is using Darren Sproles.
Big 12 Conference
TCU held a press conference last night to announce it will officially join the Big 12. Also of note, the SEC presidents held a regularly scheduled meeting yesterday and did nothing regarding expansion. Don't worry, Mizzou, they'll call. Probably.
Missouri believes a renegotiated SEC TV contract could lead to a $12 million increase in conference income. I hope Pan gets around to finishing his post on how unlikely that is.
The vandals/pranksters who defaced one of Texas A&M's buses in Lubbock over the weekend used shoe polish and fish bait, not spray paint and excrement, as A&M AD Bill Byrne claimed.
College Football
Arizona fired Mike Stoops after a 1-5 start to his eighth season in Tucson. Very odd timing, to say the least.
Don't miss this week's Alphabetical. No Numerical yet, but Bill has a good piece on whether K-State, Illinois, Rutgers or Wake Forest could crash the BCS party.
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So uh...
Am I the only one who would like to see Stoops as our DC? He’s a mediocre head coach, but I thought he was a pretty good DC. Unless he was just a strawman for his brother while at OU.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
You're the only one as far as I'm concerned.
The guy is native Derp from my perspective. I can’t see Snyder wanting to have anything to do with him considering the emphasis he places on loyalty. I think the trust that existed at one time was badly broken by M. Snoops and Venables and although it is not in Snyder’s character or personal leadership philosophy to waste much time carrying grudges, his emphasis on loyalty is too great to allow it to happen.
I don’t want to see M. Snoops anywhere near KSU football.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
Meh
I’ve never bought into the “he threw the game” meme. To many other variables played into that game.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
I don't really think he threw the game either.
What was the motivation? What did he gain from doing so?
I really think it had more to do with the players putting it in cruise control after they announced the Miami and UCLA results. They thought it was in the bag.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 11, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
That, plus Serhan Serhan (or whatever his name was)
Never scored. B1G had replay back then, but the B12 didn’t. If they had, we’d have a NC in our pocket during this whole realignment mess.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Sirr Parker
Correct, he did not score. But if I remember correctly, wasn’t that on a 3rd down play? So, they still would have had another opportunity to tie with a field goal, or win with a touchdown.
The call in question was at the end of double overtime, right? It wasn’t at the end of regulation.
I could be all wrong. I have tried to erase that game from my memory.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 11, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
They would have had
a first down at the half yard line. Replay or not, aTm would have won the game.
oh hail the Purple and White
Goal Line Stand!
We did it at Miami, we could have done it then!
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 11, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
HELL YES: :)
oh hail the Purple and White
And that '98 defense
would put even the good defense we have had so far this year to shame. To shame.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Not when Mikey would have lined us up in the dime.
by Itchy n Scratchy on Oct 11, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not go all out
and hit ’em with the goal line punt return formation? :-D
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
I think we would have went with the tried-and-true 9 men on the field defense.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
His motivation was that he knew damn well he was leaving for a conference rival.
He wanted no part of recruiting against a national champion.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
and you have documented proof? or just a hunch?
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 11, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
How could proof of such a thing possibly be "documented"?
Unless you count obvious things like continuing to blitz when it was obvious they were burning us every damn time we did it.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
essentially
you are guessing about another person’s state of mind since you’ve never talked with him about why he called the defense the way he did.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 11, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm going by what my eyes told me.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
And you could make the same argument if he had called off the blitzing and switched to a prevent
(just like happened this past weekend).
You can spin it any way you like, based on the way it played out.
Fact of the matter is we had a sizeable lead going into the 4th qtr. If we really were the National Championship team that we all think we were, then we probably should have been able to stave off a late rally by the Aggies.
Does it suck? Hell yes it sucks. But there were plenty of other opportunities for us to win the game.
It has been said before that had Bishop not fumbled, we would have won. So how can THAT be attributed to Stoops desire to “throw” the game?
This discussion has no bearing on what is happening today.
I highly doubt that Stoops is a candidate to replace anybody on our staff, because, well, I just don’t see HCBS firing DCCC after this year’s performance.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 11, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not either/or.
The choice is not between blitzing again and again and again and again or playing the prevent. It’s about simply playing base defense after you figure out that they’re straight up KILLING the blitz.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
as the 4th quarter Sat showed
you can have good intents, e.g. prevent defense, but not have an optimal result.
And most conspiracy memes can be answered by incompetence/stupidity.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 11, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I would normally agree with your last sentence.
But Mike Stoops is neither incompetent nor stupid.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I would like to interject the idea
to consider Hanlon’s razor (as I believe it you, KSB, that has imposed it before here). I would argue that he could have just had a bad day calling the defense – stupidity ruled the day. I think it is obvious he isn’t stupid on the whole as it relates to football, college, and defense but Hanlon’s razor does not require the malice/stupidity aspect to be permanent vs temporary.
I suppose this then devolves further into is stupidity as used in Hanlon’s razor possibly temporary? :-s I rest my non-case.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
This is personal opinion on both side of the argument.
And further discussion is going to lead nowhere except people getting angry.
Personally I would rather not rehash that whole experience.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 11, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I am with you,
at least I can see how much an upgrade he would be over DCCC, but I would still rather have Jim Leavitt come back and be DC for a year or two then take over as HC
by jtarkman on Oct 11, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I learned last night in yesterday's thread that I too am in the minority with you
Though his blow ups on camera in the press box isn’t good PR either
"Nor yet in Dell?"
National writers don't always make sense to me...
How can you be a sleeper when you were projected to be a strong team from the get go? Does derping it up two games in a row allow one to suddenly become a sleeper?
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Paywall
What’s the gist?
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Oops...sorry about that
excerpt. He also lists Notre Dame, Oregon, Arkansas, and West Virginia…
The BCS standings for 2011 debut next week, and all eyes will be on the pecking order at the top. The LSU Tigers, Alabama Crimson Tide and Oklahoma Sooners will all be in position for a BCS Championship Game berth if they win out the rest of the season. Beyond those title contenders, a handful of other undefeated teams — including the Stanford Cardinal and Wisconsin Badgers — are hoping to be in position to move up if one of the powerhouses falter.
But there’s also a handful of teams that won’t be among the elite but may still be able to contend for a BCS bowl berth by season’s end. One thing most of them have in common: a late-season showdown with one of the elite programs already mentioned and a chance to redeem themselves after early-season hiccups.
The following teams are all ranked among the top 20 in the current FEI ratings and have a chance to make a BCS run this season. Strength of schedule listed is based on the current FEI ratings and includes only remaining regular-season games. The likelihood of winning out the rest of the season is provided, as well.
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Texas A&M Aggies
Remaining strength of schedule: No. 18
Odds of winning out: 7.5 percent
Two terrible second-half meltdowns spoiled an otherwise impressive season for Texas A&M, but all hope is not lost. The Aggies will have ample opportunity to impress voters down the stretch with games against the Baylor Bears, Sooners, Kansas State Wildcats and Texas Longhorns.
Texas A&M was able to make a late run last season due to a relatively weak schedule, but this year’s team has proven (at least in spurts) to be capable of explosive production against top teams. The offense is rolling up 61 percent of available yards (yards measured from starting field position to end zone), the 10th-best rate in the nation. Just as importantly, Texas A&M is managing field position well, earning nearly five points in field position value per game compared to its opposition.
The biggest problem for the Aggies is defending value drives. Texas A&M is surrendering 5.9 points per opponent value drive, 113th in the nation. The defense doesn’t need to suddenly jump to an elite level, but if it can turn more long drives into field goal attempts rather than touchdowns, the Aggies have a chance to run the table from here on out.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 11, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Better question would be, "Why are they still in the Top 20"?
2 horrible second half let down losses and a blocked FG for a TD to win against TT?
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Oct 11, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
That's pretty much what I was thinking.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 11, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
At least, of the five teams mentioned
He gives aTm the smallest chance of winning out.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 11, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
You mean whining out?
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Oct 11, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
so far they have that trophy locked up
Mizzou is in 2nd
un-l is in 3rd
and Colorado did not show up for the contest.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 11, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
and Colorado did not show up for the contest.
because I got high, because I got high, because I got high….
Are they looking for a QB? Garcia is available.
Seems like a good fit…culturally.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
Well, because my last post on revenues and networks was kind of nerdy...
The gist of how stupid this is can be seen in a couple of numbers…
If you use known TV contracts as a bench mark, in 2012, the Big 12 stands to make $15 million per school in TV revenue. Now, there are tiered structures in these contracts that make them ‘back heavy’, so you have to use average payouts for examples like this. That makes them seem off, but they really aren’t because it’s still the same total dollars overall.
Anyway, the article specifically said that they projected a $12 million annual gain, per school, from the SEC in terms of Tier 1 revenue. As of today, each Big 12 school gets approximately $6 million from Tier 1 TV dollars.
$480 million/8 years = $60 million annually divided amongst 10 members.
The SEC schools have an $825 million contract with CBS for Tier 1 rights that goes 15 years.
$825 million/15 = $55 million divided by 12 members equals $4.58 million a year.
For the SEC to generate $12 million more in Tier 1 rights, their 15 year contract would need to be negotiated from $825 million/15 years to $3 billion/15 years (because they’ve added two new members).
That means you’re looking at a renegotiation of Tier 1 rights that would be a 263% increase over 15 years.
Now, let me ask you…are Texas A&M and Missouri worth 263% more? And if they are, where has all of these billions of dollars been over the past 16 years for us?
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No, they are not
Both are solid, not premier, programs that would not really bring any grounds for renegotiation. The only option I see for renegotiation is if the number of conferences were reduced, demand to lock up conference games (potentially) goes up and bidding wars could break out. That’s seems unlikely to me though.
I think they will gain more leverage with the TV markets these schools purportedly bring to bear...
and not necessarily their on field success. But I do understand your argument. 263% seems unlikely.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Oct 11, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Unlikely is an understatement.
Snooki is more likely to win an Oscar.
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I read your last phrase as "these schools bring the beer" for some reason.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
How Freudian of you.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Indicates one has not been hugged enough by their beer.
Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!
So my Jedi mind tricks are working.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
"An Aggie does not lie, cheat or steal, or tolerate those who do...
except for the times an Aggie lies, cheats or steals; then it’s okay. We still don’t tolerate others. Chocopockets 4 Life."
Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!
by MadCat on Oct 11, 2011 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I am going on the offensive...
sptwri Mike DeArmond
Note to my friend Chuck Neinas: Planned SEC Network est is $170 million.
PJ_BOTC Panjandrum
@sptwri Are these Clay Travis estimates or actual estimates from real journalists?
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Pan, does Florida have its own network handling Tier 3 TV rights?
And if so, would this inhibit the launch of an SEC network (unless that network would carry Tier 2)?
by CT-K-Stater on Oct 11, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Florida does have their own distribution network that brings in about $10 million a year from what I understand.
Texas absolutely dominates Tier 3 TV money. I think KU basketball brings in something like $6 million.
For people like Clay Travis (and Mike DeArmond by proxy since he’s claiming Travis’ numbers as a fact) to assume that the Tier 3 rights for all SEC schools would be valued at $12 million annually is just absurd and pretty much a flat out lie.
There is no ABSOLUTELY no way that the SEC could have a Tier 1 contract with CBS, a Tier 2 NETWORK with ESPN, and a Tier 3 network that generates MORE than their record setting ESPN deal. NONE. ZERO. NADA.
I’ll repeat…Clay Travis and Mike DeArmond are asserting that someone would pay $2.52 billion dollars for Tier 3 rights in the SEC over a fifteen year period to show games like Florida/Citadel and Mississippi State/Appalachian State. No. Not happening. Ever. To assume so or even insinuate as much makes you a complete and total moron.
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To summarize your last sentence...
status quo.
?
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
One more
Link from K-StateSports.com about the NFL Wildcats.
I link only because…did anyone else see the huge pass break-up McGraw had for the Chiefs near the end of their victory over the Colts? It wasnt necessarily a great play, but it was key at that moment of the game.
Is it me
or does anyone else get the impression Mizzou is enjoying being the center-of-attention in this process? $hit or get off the pot, guys. Really. This could hurt the Big-12 in terms of locking up future expansion candidates.
Hell yes they enjoy being the center of attention.
Would anyone be talking about them right now otherwise?
Well, I guess maybe people would be talking about how they are really underperforming this year.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 11, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it's just pissed off conference mates who believe that. MU fans do NOT want to be in this position.
We would rather be talking football even if it’s not our season.
Roman noddles: What a 2396 lunatic wants for dinner.
Roll Tire, tTSTC since 8/11. Don't tread on me.
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 11, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, this may be true for the fans. But the administration either DOES or does NOT want to go to the SEC.
I’m pretty sure they know which it is at this point.
We’ve got concessions from Texas, and now they are complaining that the terms still aren’t to their liking.
I mean, I’ve heard people saying “but what if Texas tries to screw us in 6 years? It would be much better if the grant of rights was for 10 years.”
Well, damn, what if we play along and allow Mizzou to hang around for another year, and they leave anyway. How is that any different than what they are complaining about? In the next year while waiting for Mizzou to get off the crapper, we could lose out on a potential replacement.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 11, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Riddle me this CT...
How does Mizzou expect to be a member of the conference for one more year without agreeing to all the same terms that the 9 other schools are agreeing to (granting of rights for 6 years)?
Sounds like they are asking for special treatment. Which is weird since Mizzou isn’t really a fan of Texas having thier way different from everyone else. Oh wait…their real complaint is stability. Which again makes no sense when their shenanigans actually inhibit stability in the conference because we don’t know what they hell they are going to do.
I am so over them.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Oct 11, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I say we give them a week and then kick them out if they don't commit
We can invite any number of other teams that bring as much as Missouri. This waiting around crap pisses me off!
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
I was wondering that myself
Who knows? Maybe the delaying tactics are being undertaken with the assumption that they might still squeeze a 10-year granting of rights agreement out of Texas. If they can, more power to them. But I just don’t see them holding the cards they seem to think they have. All the rest of this just seems to be figuring out whether the exit fees can be whittled down depending upon when notice is given to the Big-12 for Mizzou’s exit. Or maybe Brady Deaton feels the Big-12 is the better option for Mizzou but wants to give it time so that passions among the Mizzou faithful for jumping to the SEC die down a little. Who knows?
Foketi done for the year.
Feel bad for the kid. Had a rough game to start the year then goes down for the rest of his senior year.
Anyone know if this would allow him to qualify for medical redshirt? He seemed to be a potential 6th or 7th round pick heading into the season, but can’t imagine him getting drafted unless he gets a chance to come back and show what he can do.
I would assume so
He hasn’t redshirted before from what I can tell.
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
What happened ACL?
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
Damned ):
Where did you see that?
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
Notes from media day today. Snyder said he's done in all likelihood.
Didn’t specify with what, but seemed to be a lower leg injury at the time.
He can be in 25% of games, but can't participate past the 50% mark.
As long as he doesn’t play again this year he should be eligible.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
What TCU brings to the table
Two articles with good statistical analysis about what TCU brings to the table, in comparison to Aggie:
http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/3579
http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/3589
This guy is a good writer. Some interesting insights. I have mixed emotions about TCU joining up, although there is little doubt they have earned their invite into the Big 12.
My prediction: once TCU joins the conference, they will win a Big 12 title in football before KSU does. In fact, I’ll go out on a limb and predict they win a title in the 2015 season, or before. That is how good I think their coach is, and now he will be able to get even better recruits. I would have been real happy to only have three teams from Texas in the conference. Oh well.
oh hail the Purple and White
Furnace you still on something?
Cause K-State won the title in ’03 man.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
I think he means something else
He means they’ll win a title before we do in this new Big 12-2
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
I meant going forward
oh hail the Purple and White
Gotcha.
My bad.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. - Vince Lombardi
by Catbacker98 on Oct 11, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
In case you forgot, the Mercury has a good article now and then
I’m guilty of it myself, but here’s one on Snyder welcoming TCU to the conference.
And Kirk Schulz tells us how he really feels.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
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