K-State Slate: 1.6.11
by TB on Jan 6, 2011 7:49 AM CST
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In his Midweek Musings, Kevin Haskin opines that the fallout from The Salute is a bonus. I agree. We talked about it last week, but bowl games that aren't the national championship game (and maybe the other BCS games) are really just glorified exhibition games. Extra practice time and media exposure are the goals. K-State got both, and a lot of positive media exposure from The Salute. To be certain, the media exposure generated was far better than that for a school about 140 miles north, as we shall see in a bit.
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Interesting story out of Nebraska. Bo Pelini gave a Navy seaman a field pass and game jersey for the Holiday Bowl, and also promised Morgan Ryan (from Minden, Neb., where I spent last weekend for Christmas/New Year's with my family) that he could call a play during the game. Of course, the game went badly for Nebraska, Pelini was pissed off, and Ryan didn't get to call a play. Afterward, Pelini claimed that it was a joke, and he never intended to let Ryan call a play. Watch the video, I can tell you I wouldn't have been able to tell from Pelini's tone that the play-calling thing was a joke. Now, I can't say a lot for the tone of the writer's story, but regardless Pelini comes off like a jackass.
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According to CornNation
the only problem with what Pelini did was on the PR front. Oh, and they also equate how Frank reacted after the UNLV game with Pelini’s lying douchbaggery.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
Yeah, that's a load of crap
They never address the fact that Pelini clearly wasn’t joking in tone or manner when he said that the sailor could make a play call.
He did screw up on the PR front, but it isn’t even close to comparable to what Martin did. Martin wasn’t getting angry because he was trying to backtrack from something he had said earlier.
Furthermore, Martin expressed regret afterward, because he was able to recognize that he overreacted. I don’t think Pelini is capable of that introspection.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 6, 2011 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
The author could have easily compared Pelini's outburst with Mike Gundy
and have been more on track. The Martin comparison is apples and oranges but nice try.
I'm OK with Gundy's rant (and also find it to be hilarious)
because he was defending on of his player’s honor. I’ll give him a pass on the execution because the intent was good.
Pelini’s outbursts are at the expense of officials, coaches, etc. His intentions are malicious and cause by a bad temper.
Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.
My take...
I think the writer of that story went out of her way to write that story the way she did. Now, It’s Bo’s fault for getting to this situation. Also, i find it hilarious the negative press Bo is getting considering the homerific in state media they have in Nebraska. I can’t take very many Nebraska writers seriously.
Comparing Frank to Bo is retarded. Frank has ALWAYS had a great relationship with the media. Bo hasn’t. Bo comes off as an asshole on the sideline and off the field, which usually means the guy is a prick. He gets what he deserves. All this, of course, is my opinion.
I imagine more people will remember...
who lost the first Pinstripe Bowl more than who won.
Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!
The lil respect I had for Pelini...
Is now gone. I’m sorry but you don’t get a kids hopes up like that and then crush em. To release to the media that it was a joke, the just down right cruel. He could of easily been able to get away with not letting him call a play but saying, “it was a close game and I was trying to give my team the best chance to win. I apologize, (give the kids name).” To me that would of been the perfect way to handle it. I’m a die hard KU fan, but if Turner Gill would do that to me, I most likely trade all my crimson and blue in for purple. I don’t see Gill doing that ever because he bows how to talk to the media a lot better then Pelini. I can’t wait for the day Nebraska hangs Pelini out to dry.
by hawkinwihita on Jan 6, 2011 9:54 AM CST via mobile reply actions
You still had any respect for Bo before this?
Well then you sir are more forgiving and patient than most people. He lost my respect back in 2003.
Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.
I imagine...
…that kid would have made better calls than Nebraska’s current O-coordinator.
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
As a fellow Jayhawk, really?
I thought it was clearly a joke and his little joke immediately after making the comment really pushed that. I mean, what guy really thinks they’re going to get to call a play? The writer is clearly pushing hard for this to be a story but I find it highly ridiculous, though I do still think of Pelini as a dbag.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
There have been several times when coaches did that kind of thing.
And I didn’t get a “joke” vibe at ALL when Pelini made the offer. I got a distinct “showing up Sarkisian” vibe, though.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 6, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, him lauging wouldn't imply that it's a joke at all.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
He laughed...
…at the part about who got the blame if the play didn’t work. That, to me, wouldn’t imply that the fact of getting to call a play was a joke.
I agree that the writer went overboard with this story, but Pelini handled it like the buffoon that he is. Instead of saying it was a joke, he should have just said “we didn’t play well and I was upset with that and it slipped my mind that we had made that promise.” If he had said that, I think the writer is left with nothing and it’s no big deal. But he tried to paint it as a joke when it really didn’t look like a joke.
We'll carry the banner high!
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by TB on Jan 6, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
I totally agree.
If he had just said, “Hey, it slipped my mind, sorry” there’s no story at all.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 6, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
To me, that's them continuing the glad-handing or humor part of it.
What else were the Nebraska players supposed to say to some random sailor? If someone’s really offended at this, well have at it. Personally, I think this is all manufactured or biased rage because it involves Pelini.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Sorry Warden...
But like K Scott Bailey said, there are tons of coaches out there that have let a fan call a play. If Gill had me on the sidelines, and told me that before the game, yes I would of believed it. I wouldn’t expect to still get to do it in a tight game, but if it was a blowout, yes I’d expect my one play. That’s my take on things.
by hawkinwihita on Jan 6, 2011 4:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Pelini had plenty to angry about.
NU laid an egg just as they did in their loss to Texas. UDub was crushed in their first meeting and this looked awful. Just as the promise to the kid was awful in nature. The only real joke going on that day was his team’s performance.
Kevin that was great stuff.
Here was my favorite:
Can’t tell for sure. Is the Big Ten displaying leadership or legendary efforts this bowl season?
by Catbacker98 on Jan 6, 2011 11:50 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
It seems so cliched, but I guess it still works
http://www.kansas.com/2011/01/06/1661255/wildcats-can-sense-disrespect.html – Good Wally and Jake, now go win in Stillwater for the first time in forever.
Fire Chris Cosh!
he's a don't care to me at this point in time
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 6, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting article from Berry Tramel
Big 12 was shortsighted in shunning TCU
Basically makes the argument I was trying to make to K. Scott a while back only much more succinctly.
You don’t have to agree, but you have to at least acknowledge the argument is sensible and logical. Your interpretation of the facts may be different, but that doesn’t make it right (or the opposing one wrong).
Forward into Battle
His article is full of wishes, dreams, and emotions rather than facts though
Here’s where he really loses me:
The Big 12 with TCU and BYU would be better than the Big 12 with Nebraska and Colorado. The Big 12 with TCU and BYU would be at least as marketable to television networks.
Umm….what?
Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.
TCU is in a similar situation as we were in the late 90's early 00's
I don’t see anyone clamoring over us now.
Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!
Yup
They are just the trendy-hot team right now.
Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.
Texas doesn't care if the Big XII is marketable so long as Texas is marketable
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
Agree
Nebraska still in this conference would be best, but that isn’t happening.
I don’t think a ten team Big XII is best in the long-term.
His article is full of wishes, dreams, and emotions rather than facts though
That could be said of any article regarding conference expansion. Including ones that only focus on TV sets. Anyone who believes that that is THE ONLY THING that the decision makers consider, and that they couldn’t possibly make decisions based on other things like branding or tradition, well, I have some seaside property in Kansas to sell you.
People are rarely as one-dimensional as we make them out to be.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 6, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
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