BCS chief: Playoffs "not even in the spectrum."
He also notes that it's more likely that big-time college football will go back to the days of conference tie-ins (no guaranteed 1 vs 2) than it is that there will be a playoff. I'm not a "big government" guy, but at some point, this needs to be taken out of the hands of the mental midgets currently running the show.
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And his justifications are so silly and convoluted
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
$$$
Once the AD’s and U presidents realize how much money they are leaving on the table, not to mention the NCAA not making as much money … the BCS will be dead and gone … there will be a playoff.
There is a reason why basketball pays the bills, it is lucrative to the schools and NCAA; specifically in March/April.
Playoffs are possible, i.e. other division already have playoffs; so it is more about the politics and money than anything else. And eventually the money will get the attention and change the politics so the schools and NCAA get the money rather than a group of folks in a town w/ sunshine.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2011 10:39 AM CST reply actions
It can't still be the money, can it?
EVERYONE knows how much money a playoff would bring. How could those fools still be so blind at this point, without either being morons (very possible) or willfully blind because of something else?
Fire Chris Cosh!
vested interests
What you are already receiving is perceived at a higher value than possible receipt calculated differently in the future.
It doesn’t help that the BCS is actively politicking to maintain the status quo so their is mis-information.
Look at all the pro sports, all of them have more people paying attention during the playoffs than the regular season.
/vent mode off
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
NO you show me how the money
will trickle down to the have nots. Show me. YOu can’t do it.
oh hail the Purple and White
Who said the money would make its way to the have nots?
It won’t, at least compared to what the biggest boys will get. But you would think the fools in charge of the biggest boys would realize how much more money they could stand to generate.
Fire Chris Cosh!
Uh, because the NCAA would disburse all its profits to the member schools, just like it does with the NCAA Tournament?
Money into schools’ pockets directly >>> money into bowls’ pockets.
Facts?
Those are FAR too confusing.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
From Wikipedia (and cited for reference to outside sources)
Revenues
The Division I Men’s Basketball tournament is the only NCAA championship tournament (officially, the BCS Football Championship is not an NCAA event) where the NCAA does not keep the profits. Instead, the money from the multi-billion-dollar television contract is divided among the Division I basketball playing schools and conferences as follows:17
* 1/6 of the money goes directly to the schools based on how many sports they play (one “share” for each sport starting with 14, which is the minimum needed for Division I membership).
* 1/3 of the money goes directly to the schools based on how many scholarships they give out (one share for each of the first 50, two for each of the next 50, ten for each of the next 50, and 20 for each scholarship above 150).
* 1/2 of the money goes to the conferences based on how well they did in the six previous men’s basketball tournaments (counting each year separately, one share for each team getting in, and one share for each win except in the Final Four and, prior to the 2008 tournament, the Play-in game). In 2007, based on the 2001 through 2006 tournaments, the Big East received over $14.85 million, while the eight conferences that did not win a first-round game in those six years received slightly more than $1 million each.18
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men%27s_Division_I_Basketball_Championship
Fire Chris Cosh!
We are dealing with history here,
Yes, the March Madness results in a TON of revenue to the NCAA and it is disbursed fairly. My point is, the NCAA men’s b/ball tourney has evolved over 70 years to get to this point with a rule structure that leads to the present results.
The Bowl system also has a 80+ year history and rule structure that leads to the present results. The president of the NCAA cannot today say “I hate the BCS. I want a playoff. Done.” If a change is going to come, the member institutions of the NCAA will have to amend the NCAA bylaws to change the system we have now to the oh so enlightened one playoff advocates pine for. If you read the article which led to this fan shot, you will see the Presidents of the Div 1 schools aren’t buying it. That is my point. Are they all wrong? Look, the Big 10 and Pac 10 will never give up their Rose Bowl deal. If the B/12 was smart, we’d try to get a tie in with the SEC and try to create a yearly battle between our 2 conferences (Jerryworld – Sugar Bowl rotation). This playoff talk is fantasy land.
oh hail the Purple and White
The bowl system would not go away in an 8-team playoff.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Prove it!
Your assertions are just that – assertions.
So I’m a fan of KSU. We are the 8 seed. We travel to tOSU and get beat. Now we get to go to the frickin Insight Bowl, 3 weeks later. We are disheartened at the loss, and I’m now going to shell out $$1500 for a meaningless bowl game? Right. Unbelievable that you continue to just “assert” that a playoff won’t kill the “bowl system.” Your arguments are silly beyond belief.
oh hail the Purple and White
That doesn't make any sense.
KSU fans shell out tons of dollars for tickets for meaningless bowl games all the time.
All we have are “assertions”, F76. It’s just whose you choose to believe. I’ve proposed a system that wouldn’t kill the bowls. You choose to simply call playoff plans “silly” and that type of thing.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Market surveys; research; cost-beneifit analysis
you know, the kind of thing a good University teaches its students. Do you have any data, research, which supports your “assertion” that a playoff system will not adversely effect the bowl system. I haven’t seen any. So you rely on gut instinct.
Look, I am not a big advocate of the present system. If I had absolute rule making authority, I would design a different system. That is not the point of my rants on this subject. My point is all the babble from the playoff advocates fails to take into account the fact that the Presidents of the universities are NOT in favor of the rule changes necessary to change the system. Thus, all the babble leads to a level of frustration with the system that detracts from enjoyment of the product we have. If there were a realistic way to change it, I might be for it. But I don’t see the way to change it. It aint gonna happen.
oh hail the Purple and White
The presidents are mostly old, mostly white, and mostly male.
The status quo is FAR easier than making necessary change.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
not sure I agree
Before the basketball tournament there was different method of determining the national champion so change can occur. (change is good, you go first is what a former boss said)
The economics dictate that eventually the schools will want more money, so why have a 3rd party taking a cut involved. As has been shown in a couple of articles the bowl system can actually cost money to the school even when attending a Tier 1 bowl.
Yes, the rules will need changing. And eventually enough alumni will communicate w/ the AD’s and presidents that the rules will change. Maybe it will take a long time, maybe it will happen with the next TV contract. Or maybe the alumni won’t influence the process and something else will drive it. Or maybe the change won’t occur.
But if I was in charge, I would want to optimize my return on investment and giving it to a 3rd party is not the way to do it. And economics is what will drive the change that eventually occurs. What the exact change is, we shall see but IMHO a playoff would derive the most revenue as demonstrated by a bunch of other sports including what we call soccer.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
article links
googled: “school lose money on bowl games” … so there is much more out there, both of the above article read the same so not sure they are different.
your mileage may vary on what the actual articles mean.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
But, but, but,
that CAN’T be true! The bowls have HISTORY — and TRADITION!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Cui bono
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Teams often lose money on bowl games because they share the revenues with the rest of their conference.
UConn is reportedly losing 2.5 million, but if they were keeping the 16 million Fiesta Bowl payout, they would certainly be making a lot of money. The Big East teams that are not in bowls are making money.
I've basically decided to vote with my eyeballs next season.
I’m not going to watch ANY Div 1-A college football games that do not involve K-State or TCU. It won’t hurt them, but I’m just sick to death of the whole thing — but especially the inane “every week is a playoff” idiocy. If that’s true, then TCU just won a national championship.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 10:42 AM CST reply actions
TCU would kick the shit out of either Auburn or Oregon.
That’s just my opinion, of course, but the burden of proof is on the BCS to prove me wrong.
Until Auburn plays TCU, they’re co-champions in my mind. I hope the AP voters do the right thing and vote for the team that played by the rules this year.
Apparently, 3 voters did.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure TCU fans
are plum happy right now. They are Rose Bowl champs.
oh hail the Purple and White
I consider myself a TCU fan.
And many of my DFW friends are either alumni, season ticketholders, or both. TCU fans ARE happy about winning the Rose Bowl. But, if you ask them whether or not they’d have preferred to have had a chance to win it all in a playoff, I don’t know of ANY of them who wouldn’t trade the Rose Bowl win for a chance like that.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
So who are the real "mental midgets"
Scott, your editorial comments accusing those who oppose a playoff to be “mental midgets” is the last straw. I don’t think you want to get into a name calling contest at the keyboards with me. I have been relatively restrained up until now. What galls me is folks like YOU who, in their advocacy of a playoff, ASSUME some moral frickin high ground, and the fact is, you occupy NONE of it.
1. Why do you want to destroy big time college football.
2. All the “new money.” Show how it will benefit the have nots, as opposed to the current roster of sport bandits? You and your comrades just assert that “more money” , “more money” garbage. The NCAA has NO control over football revenues; it does not have the “rules” in place to control the money. What “rules” will allow the NCAA to control the money of a “playoff”. No one in the voluntary association that IS the NCAA is proposing to give the NCAA the authority to impose the new rules. IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN! Get over it.
As I type this, already the comments are coming in showing just how uninformed folks are about the RULE CHANGES that would be necessary in order to kill the BCS and lead to a “playoff” system. I can’t believe it.
oh hail the Purple and White
Yes, F76, everyone here is uninformed but you. We bow to your wisdom.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Typical
You have the burden of proof here. Show me how playoff proponents (like you) are going to get through the necessary NCAA rule changes which will kill the BCS and lead to a playoff system. Show me the rule structures that will allow all the “new money” to trickle down to say, Ball State.
You can’t; you won’t. It is easier in the internet ether to say that people who disagree with you are mental midgets.
oh hail the Purple and White
You don't WANT to see any facts that disagree with you, so I'll just leave you to it.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Scott
your snide little remark does not address my question of how playoff advocates can get through the rule changes which will lead to a playoff. That is the factual question which is at issue. You continue to ignore it, because calling people mental midgets is much easier; makes you “feel” better. Again, that “feeling” vs. “opinion” thing.
oh hail the Purple and White
You've been ignoring every fact thrown at you above.
And yet you lecture me about “feelings” and such. As I said, I’ll leave you to it.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Scott
I don’t ignore facts. Show me one fact I have ignored. The only “fact” in this thread by playoff advocates (and it is really only an assertion) is that if b/ball can do it fairly, we can do it in football. I have addressed that.
The FACT that playoff advocates IGNORE is that the NCAA does not have the rule structure in place to change the present system, and the fact is that university presidents are not now in favor of changing the rules.
oh hail the Purple and White
I've told you again and again, that don't HAVE to change the rule structure in any significant way.
An 8-team playoff doesn’t materially change the current bowl system, other than to have two of the bowls serving as semifinals, and one serving as the championship game.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
"Any significant way"
Which is it? Right now a team can play 12 regular season games; a conference championship, and bowl game. You got the votes to go to 16 games? Is that “significant.”
oh hail the Purple and White
The plan I came up with
called for going back to an 11-game regular season. And even with a 12-game regular season, an 8-team playoff adds only 3 games to the schedules of the two teams who play for the championship. Look at how many games the finalists of D-1AA play.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
And you completely ignore another fact:
many of the “little guys” you claim to be so concerned about financially actually LOSE money in the current system.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
So do a lot of the "Big Guys"
See Ohio State’s losses for its two bowls in ‘08-’09. I’ve mentioned this before, but the bowls make the schools buy an allotted amount of tickets at face value. The schools then have to sell them all or else take a loss on the differential. Fans from those schools of course might opt to go for a cheaper solution like StubHub and save themselves some money. They show up for the bowls, but not at profit to the school. So while a school packs planes full of coaches, players, support staff, school brass, chearleaders, band members, etc, and have to cover those costs, they also have to make up the difference in tickets. The bowls make out like thieves, which is what they are a lot of times.
by CT-K-Stater on Jan 11, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
I don't "ignore" this fact
that many “lose” money on the actual bowl game. But do they? Direct costs, yes. But does the fact that a 7-5 team gets more ticket sales on their last two home games when they are playing for that vaunted “bowl eligibility” thingy make up for it? In other words, price points, “building a program” and the law of unintended consequences.
There is this assertion of “more money, more money” that playoff advocates throw around. I just haven’t seen the advocates’ spreadsheet which shows how all that “more money” will benefit KSU. Have you?
oh hail the Purple and White
YOU asserted that a playoff system would somehow not help the little guys financially.
And someone up above noted how the BBall tourney spreads things around. I’d have to think a football tourney would do it similarly.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
This is getting tired
I never said a playoff system would not “help” Ball State. What I said was that playoff advocates always assert the current system is unfair to the little guy (it is) and a playoff system would be more fair to the Ball States of the world. I said: show me how? Show me the finacial spreadsheet! Prove it, and then get the votes to change the system. What I’m saying is, IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN, and the continued carping on the subject just detracts from enjoyment of the imperfect but pretty darn good system we do have. I like college football. A lot. The regular season is the best in any sport we have, college or pro. Any you all want to screw with it. That’s what I don’t get.
oh hail the Purple and White
I don't think we have a good system at all.
And it’s a trite cliche to claim that the “regular season is the best in any sport we have, college or pro.” That’s nothing more than BCS propaganda. An 8- to 16-game D-1A playoff makes the regular season MORE important, for MORE teams. Especially in a 16-team format, as you could include all 11 league champions, and 5 at-large.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
A difference of opinion - and you dress it up in the form of truth from on high
Did anyone even read the article that was the subject of this Fan Shot? I quote:
"Last month at a college athletics forum in New York, Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said supporters of the BCS were fatigued with defending the system from constant legal and political pressures.
Hancock said it has not been easy to fend off all the attacks from playoff supporters.
"I think we all get a little tired of the invective, he said."
So Hancock (he must be EVIL, he disagrees with Scott Bailey, after all) says many are tired of the "invective" from playoff proponents. And Scott does a post calling those who disagree with the mental giant, Scott Bailey, "mental midgets."
And now, because I am of the opinion that the regular season in college football is "the best regular season," I am an apologist and propagandizer for the BCS system. That’s the ticket, and it must be true because, after all, my opinion is different from that of the mental giant – Scott Bailey.
oh hail the Purple and White
I note you refuse to deal with any of my points.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
They got through the rule changes to form the BCS didn't they?
I don’t see why they couldn’t get through the same to change the post-season again.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Facts are SO confusing, Warden!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Who is the "they" who got through the "rule changes"
The BCS is an agreement among the big bowls on how they will divvy up the teams (and the money). The lack of understanding on the histoy of bowls and how teams got into them prevents a rational discussion of this. The NCAA has sanctioned bowl games. It has nothing to say about the BCS “system.” Thus the need for the presidents of the member institutions to change the NCAA’s rules. The presidents are not in favor of it. I don’t know why this is so hard for many to grasp.
oh hail the Purple and White
If the bowls lose their non-profit status,
the rest will take care of itself.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Get that one through Congress, and then get a President to sign the bill
into, you know, an actual LAW! Hey, I’m all in favor of major changes with Sec. 501©(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, but that is a longer discussion than we want to get into here.
oh hail the Purple and White
If the IRS investigates them, it won't take an act of congress to decertify them as a non-profit.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
How do you know this? I am curious.
Please explain. Give me the case law on what it takes for a non-profit to lose that status. Is it easy for the IRS to achieve?
oh hail the Purple and White
I wouldn't call it "easy",
or the Playoff PAC would have already got it done. But it isn’t as hard as getting a law pushed through Congress. I know (from working with a non-profit to GAIN the status) that gaining non-profit status takes from 6-12 months, depending upon various factors, though.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
So the "bowls" all decided to group up the 4 major bowls and line up #1 vs #2 without the schools?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
I don't know about "without the schools"
but that is exactly what the bowls did, they got together and decided on a new format.
Ever wonder why the Cotton Bowl isn’t one of the BCS bowls? It’s because they didn’t want to go ahead with the BCS, and as such they were left out in the cold.
All the more reason we need to move towards a playoff, IMO.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Jan 11, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
The bowls and conferences came up with it.
Conferences= schools
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
As for your name-calling skills, you proved your merit in that regard by calling me an "ingrate" because I didn't feel the need to thank Coffman.
Good work.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't call you an ingrate,
I collected the evidence, provided by you, to support the proposition that your are, in fact, an ingrate, when it comes to your need to say that Coffman was not “worthy” of a thank you. But I digress.
oh hail the Purple and White
Pretty sure he was referring to the actual decision-makers maintaining and defending this broken system, not the fans forced to consume it for lack of a better alternative.
But if the shoe fits…
by BracketCat on Jan 11, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
+10000000000
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Let's leave the name-calling....
…in the comments section of the KC Star. No need for that here.
KSB didn’t call you a mental midget, he used that description for the people running the system. There are good arguments on both sides here, so let’s just stick to those points.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Jan 11, 2011 11:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Like it's anywhere near over :-)
I’d say I’m 100% sure this is isn’t over, but KSB would want a third party survey to confirm my thoughts.
Yeah, asking for proof when someone offers a purported percentage of fans that they claim are against a playoff is some kind of crime.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
One Fact
Is that big time college football is an expensive club to play in. The cost is astronomical and that’s why the MAC and a few other conferences continue to stay just beyond the fringe of of the FCS. You can call them FBS schools, but in truth, they operate at just a high enough level to be called FBS. So, in putting on a football playoff, the NCAA has to take into consideration how they would do that and how it would play out, both to make conferences, schools and fans happy and make enough money to cover all expenses. Not any easy task.
F76 is right in one major regard. You’d have to get enough buy in to change the NCAA regulations and create the playoff system. As soon as you started to do that, you would then have 30+ charities (Shriner’s Hospitals, etc.) who would be up in arms and lobbying their congressmen to fix this problem.
Right now, we have a few congressmen from a few states who want to demagogue this issue and try to make everyone think that the whole world wants a playoff. I don’t think the whole world does want a playoff. By and large, I think 80% of the fans think it’s okay the way it is. Not perfect, but okay. Out of the last 20%, you’ll find probably 10% die hard “leave it the way it is” fans and 10% “playoff or nothing” fans.
My vote is, after last night, the NCAA and everyone congressman on earth should investigate the SEC for absolute fraud, corruption, mudslinging, back stabbing, prostitution, gun running, and every other conceivable crime. I think they’re guilty, period.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
Do you have a link for surveys showing your "80%" claim?
Because the players sure don’t see it that way. In fact, the numbers are actually FLIPPED from how you state it, and I can’t imagine that fan opinion would be that much different than the players.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Scott
Lighten Up. It was supposed to be a humorous jab. Give it up already.
I have all of the facts about everything ever said on earth right here in my head. Just ask me a question and I can give you an answer.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
It didn't seem like a "humorous jab."
It seemed like a claim that “80%” of fans are okay with the status quo. I just think if numbers are brought into a discussion, there should be some basis in actual fact.
I have to say, though, that I am in full agreement with you about the SEC! :)
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
It was an Opinion
But since you linked the players, I will respond. I DIDN’T SAY PLAYERS. I said “I think 80% of the FANS think it’s okay the way it is”. I would expect the players would like to have a playoff system. For the majority of them, that’s the only way they stand any chance of ever getting to a championship game. They start out by belonging to the wrong conferences to begin with.
I’d like to, all things being equal, see a playoff system. But like F76 (old farts flock together, by the way) I just don’t see that the energy is there or ever will be to make it happen. Call me a defeatist if you want, but I prefer to say that I’m a realist at the present point in time.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
Sigh.
So, here’s the proof that your opinion on fan sentiment is wrong.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Look back at my Post
I said “I think”. That’s my qualifier and I’m stickin’ to that position. Call Bob Dole. He’ll tell you the same thing. I think.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
But if you "think" something, shouldn't you have a legitimate reason to think it?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
not much money given to charity
$3.2 million for all bowls versus chairman of the bowl making $500k
link the article notes that 1/2 of that money came from 2 bowls.
KSB might want to join the Playoff PAC
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like a playoff system, too, but
have to wonder whether BCS-affiliated schools (or presidents of those schools) don’t like the arrangement as-is – which is what Furnace was bringing up. The BCS gives automatic bids to conferences like the Big East, so you know those schools (see UConn’s ridiculous appearance in the Fiesta Bowl this year) have to be thrilled with the fact they only have to beat out 7 other teams (8 next year with the addition of TCU) in a very weak conference in order to clinch a spot in a big bowl. Meanwhile, the Big-10s, Big-12s and SECs of the world can crowd out the Boise’s (and formerly TCUs and Utahs) from slots unless they run the table and are highly ranked. I can’t see how the BCS-affiliated conferences wouldn’t like things to continue the way they are.
While I’d like to believe a playoff is on the horizon, I just don’t see it. If the money is there – and everyone claims it is – than why would these schools (ALL of them need the money, and yes, that includes you Texas) leave it on the table?
But many schools LOSE money in the bowls.
With that said, though, I think that the only thing that will bring about change is if the government forces the issue or some such thing.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed - thus the conundrum
I’m sure the schools and the major conferences have crunched the numbers many times over. Either they are willing to forego a lot of money, or they know more about the fiscal and political minutiae behind the scenes then they are willing to disclose publicly.
I also think some schools weigh the loss of money entailed with accepting a bowl with the public forum they have to sell a school and a sports program (not to mention increase alumni or fan donations to the athletic department). If say, Iowa State, made the Fiesta Bowl this year, but lost money on the bowl itself, do you think they’d trade that opportunity just because they took a loss? Or let’s think smaller for a moment: How about the 1993 Copper Bowl? Remember the legend of the Miracle in Manhattan: Enrollment was dwindling and fund-raising was in the doldrums, and then the football team went on a tear and things turned around. Bowls are generally higher-profile (on New Year’s day, or played when there is no other games competing for TV slots) so even with the net loss, its a publicity-gain for a school trying to find or re-gain their footing (Syracuse and KState this year in the Pinstripe Bowl).
For a big school with huge overhead costs (USC, Penn State, Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, etc, etc) they NEED the bowl to be profitable (and occasionally it is not), but for the once-a-decade contenders and below-the-radar schools, taking the financial hit as a one-off may be worth it. Just a guess on my part.
I have no basis for this but I wonder if the newer bowl schedules don't hurt exactly what you're describing.
Outside the K-State game and a few of the BCS bowls, did anyone know when a bowl was this year? They’re so spread out anymore that a ton of people miss them unless it is their team. Maybe that doesn’t hurt for fund raising and such but I think it does hurt when it comes to recruiting. Now a coach says “we made a bowl game last year” and the kids could have easily missed it. 10 years ago, I remember the Aloha bowl on Christmas and bowl games all over tv all day long on New Years.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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That may be
I never liked the bowls because of the fact that teams often have more than 30 days off in between games. That can have a positive effect (more time to prepare for an opponent, allows injured players to heal and return to the field), or a negative one (momentum from the season’s end is lost, teams come out flat or sloppy in bowl games).
But I digress: the “old system” (pre-BCS) used to have all the major bowls played on New Year’s Day. I understand prime-time TV scheduling and all that, and the results speak for themselves, but nonetheless, the title game now is almost anti-climactic if you do not have a direct rooting interest. I mean January 10th?
Perhaps the glut of additional bowl games in the past 10 years rather than the schedules themselves hurts a schools ability to sell their appearance as a recruiting tool. Or, as you pointed out, its now so easy to overlook them due to time-slots and dates. Be interesting to hear some D-1A college coaches perspectives on that.
I knew when KU's was.....
I kid, I kid.
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by mystman995 on Jan 11, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nevermind
I re-read. I thought you were suggesting Texas shared equally.
There’s snow on the ground, but hell hasn’t frozen over quite yet.
Texas shares bowl revenue equally with other members of the Big XII.
Note – this year that was $0 from Texas’ payout.
True that. From the Texas Bowl no less.
They named it after you, right? Where I come from it’s called royalties. :-)
I bet that chaps their...
ass butt backside.
by WillieWannabe on Jan 11, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
anyone remember the old joke...
guy goes to prison and his cell mate yells ‘423’ … everyone laughs … a few minutes later he hears someone else yell ‘3’ and more laughter. His cellmate says the jokes are told so often that they just gave ‘em numbers. He hears ’45’ with no laughter, his cellmate says ’that’s Bill he can’t tell a joke.’
My idea is that we give all the arguments for playoffs numbers and all the arguements for the bowl system numbers and we just type those numbers whenever a discussion on the subject happens … that way we save time typing and reading.
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by Anon_the_younger on Jan 11, 2011 3:17 PM CST reply actions
It sounds like KSB and Furnace need to read Death to the BCS
I’m pretty sure this whole thing will be settled in that book, but I don’t care enough to read it.
Fire Chris Cosh!
KSB I think wrote a whole post as a reaction to that book
Which I had some disagreements with for the most part. I kinda found it disappointing, but I surely did learn quite a bit as well.
I think I just did a fanshot on the actual book,
but I’ve actually written a couple of posts about how a playoff system might work.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Jan 11, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
In the end, it is only a matter of time before a playoff system is in place for football.
The only question is how long we will have to wait. I would not have my hopes up for anything to happen this decade, but alas I’ve waited much longer than that for a Chiefs playoff victory (or a Royals post season apperance) but still watch the games…and hope.
That’s the truth of it – not watching college football is not an alternative (at least for me), so until the money makes it happen it won’t.
Either that or you can simply annoint me the King of College Football and I shall decree a playoff system (among other changes that I shall not detail at this time).
by mac attack ict on Jan 12, 2011 10:33 AM CST reply actions
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