K-State Slate: 9.7.10
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There was some discussion in the Postgame Reaction thread about whether there really was much to like about K-State's defensive effort on Saturday. It's true they weren't dominant, or even close to it, and they were aided by a case of the dropsies that struck Bruin receivers, but they did make plays when it counted. I'm not going to go quite so far as to say they made a statement, however, unless that statement was "we should be able to hold our own this season, but won't be dominant."
K-State used its power running game to get past UCLA on Saturday. Get used to it, fans, it will probably be the theme this season.
It wasn't Carson Coffman's best day on Saturday, either between the lines or outside them. He estimates he vomited 10 times and needed an IV in the locker room to make it back to the field.
I'm not very good at doing grades by position group, so thank goodness K-State fans have Austin Meek to hand out a report card instead.
Every week, the Topeka Capitol-Journal asks three questions heading into K-State's game. After the game, they get three answers.
Has the Big 12 morphed back into the old smashmouth Big 8? Two-hundred-yard rushers Daniel Thomas, Kendall Hunter and DeMarco Murray may have you thinking that.
In non-UCLA-game news, K-State will keep the Miami game on the 2011 schedule. Oh JLew, where are you?
Other
Was Saturday's loss to North Dakota State the worst loss in KU's long and illustrious football history? I don't know, but 1995 and 2002 K-State may have something to say about that.
Going along with the previous entry, you'll like the first picture in this link (unless you're a KU fan who happened upon this site).
I asked this question on Facebook and Twitter last night, and Peter takes a much deeper look at it: What's your beef with Boise State? While tracking my Facebook and Twitter feeds during the Boise State win over Virginia Tech last night, it's clear that a LOT of people who really shouldn't care about Boise State absolutely despise the Broncos. I agree with Peter: I don't get it. I'll admit that a good friend of mine asked an incisive question of me on Facebook: How would I feel about an undefeated Boise State team making the national title game if K-State won the Big 12 with one loss?
Horrible tragedy for Wyoming this weekend, as freshman linebacker Ruben Narcisse was killed when one of his teammates fell asleep at the wheel. The driver and two others were also injured. Awful, awful news.
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Unless Coffman was ill (the flu or something like that) I think him being dehydrated is pathetic
How many people on that staff couldn’t tell him to drink some #$#* gatorade? Really
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
I initially took the vomitting issue
to be nerves, as opposed to only illness or dehydration. The vomitting CAUSES dehydration making the IV necessary, as I first understood it.
However, I would say illness is my preferred cause for both the vomiting and IV – beats nerves or lack of discipline (didn’t drink enough water) hands-down.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
About Coffman
Sean – if it is classic anxiety, all the Gatorade in the world won’t help – in fact it will make it worse – he’ll just puke more. Thus, the IV fluids, which bypass the gastric canal and can’t be puked back up. Thus, I’ll re-post my thoughts from yesterday —
Coffman needs to understand that everyone will still love him — think about it; his dad walked on at K-State and was all conference; his dad was a free agent tight end, and played (well) for years for the Packers and Chiefs. His big brother is all Big 12. If our QB is puking in the 3rd and 4th quarter, I think he’s putting too much pressure on himself. Like the gifted golfer who can’t slow his breathing down to make the ten foot putt.
Hope he can slow his breathing down, just play the game Carson — you can do it! You don’t have to live up to daddy’s and big bro’s rep to be okay in life!! Just play the game, be a decent QB, and this team might do great things.
If it’s nerves, and Coffman can’t get them under control quickly (I hope that he can), we are in for a 7-5 yr as opposed to perhaps a really great season. If Carson could just be adequate, with Thomas and Powell we could be 9-3 or 10-2. Carson needs to create his own myth. Check out this link: http://projectbebold.com/archives/722
for a poem we all can learn something from.
oh hail the Purple and White
10-2 seems way too optimistic for me.
Good defenses are going to be able to force KSU into a one-dimensional offense. If you don’t have to respect Coffman’s ability to get the ball downfield, just how much running room do you think DT and Powell are going to have?
It’s a work in progress, but there definitely needs to be some improvement as the season goes along.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
10-2 optimistic?
I was around in 1996 When Kavanaugh led us to a 9-3 record (including the Cotton Bowl loss to BYU, so we were 9-2 regular season). Kavanaugh did not have even one running back close to the level of DT and Powell. Right now Coffman doesn’t have the “it” factor, but he only needs to improve slightly to be able to get 120-150 yds per game passing. His arm is as good as Kavanaugh’s. If Coffman comes around just a little, I don’t think 10-2 (regular season) is way too optimistic, just optimistic, I agree. I’ve always said if Snyder could just have a QB on the level of Jonathan Beasley every year, we’d be 11-1 and 12-0 every 3 out of 4 years.
oh hail the Purple and White
Anxiety making him puke?
I could see that. He hasn’t started in ages, he knows darned well the season rests on him, he has a lot to live up to. Let’s hope we don’t hear about any more puking from him.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
I've never evaluated the band and I don't care to
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
Wow TB
Not sure I should be honored, or what.
I was planning on giving credit to KSU for not ducking an opponent (for once) in Corn Flakes and I still will. Good for KSU, it’s fans, and college football fans everywhere. Yes I’m a little shocked, maybe too much money for the Prince bailout to get out of this game? Or is this a new philosophy for Snyder? The cats seemed to handle UCLA pretty well, which can only help as the season develops.
BTW I’m hardly the only one to point out K-State’s reputation for scheduling. I’ll get links if you really want them (I’m thinking I saw it on ESPN, Dr Sat, collegefootballnews.com and a host of other national places). If anything I felt a little bad for going after the low hanging fruit so to speak.
But if you’ll excuse me I have to go post on a message board about being the greatest fans ever….
You can't possibly be a scientist if you mind people thinking that you're a fool.
~Wanko the Sane
Big Red Kool-aid Drinker @ Corn Nation
Because we all know Osborne and Co. NEVER scheduled a patsy before. Nothing but cream of the crop, right?
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
And then they like to pat themselves on the back for wacking WKU
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
NEVER!
Sure they did and still do (But look at NU’s schedule next year-um yeah wow), and every team in the nation does, but K-State gets the recognition for it. Schedule a 1-AA team (or whatever you call them now) and it’s almost a sure thing that Snyder and K-State gets brought up. Same with JUCOs. Heck even during the UCLA broadcast the announcer brought up JUCOs and Snyder.
I say embrace it! Eat those cupcakes, and mock the haters.
You can't possibly be a scientist if you mind people thinking that you're a fool.
~Wanko the Sane
Big Red Kool-aid Drinker @ Corn Nation
I believe the JUCO reference was in terms of player recruiting and not scheduling.
I believe the quote was something like, “Snyder gets the most out of JUCO transfers than any other coach in the nation”, or something similar.
Could Be
That Coach looked at the quality of UCLA overall and said to himself, “With the guy who’s coaching them, they’re beatable regardless of who we have”. Just a thought.
But for anyone to make those comments about scheduling, they need to check out their own pig sty. Good Lord. WKU for a season opener? And whacking them suddenly puts you in the top 10?
Make a bet right now you won’t be in the top 20 at the end of the season, shucksters.
I'll take that bet.
NU’s schedule is pretty easy this season and they started in ~ Top 10 this year. Even a loss won’t knock them out, ranking momentum and all that.
And let’s look longer than a single season opener. You point out NU’s opener, while you have opened with Massachusetts (and had Tenn Tech! last year), North Texas (and Montana St), Auburn (wasn’t this Prince’s doing?), Illinois St, FAU, and lookie lookie WKU!
But before we lose sight of things, K-State right or wrong (or funny) is known nationally for scheduling soft, that’s all I’’m saying. I am not saying Nebraska is “better” (only our fans are), our schedule last year and this year have been kinda soft, Sun Belt Champions 2009 baby!, with only a VaTech last year and a Washington this year to bring it up.
I believe Snyder has said that the B12 is tough enough that you can schedule light and still make BCS title/BCS game if you do well enough in conference (See KU 2007). And he’s right, but as a fan I like to see match-ups between powers out of conference. So again kudos to K-State for playing Miami they’ll probably be on probation of something though.
And no love for Skippy? Yeah could be that.
You can't possibly be a scientist if you mind people thinking that you're a fool.
~Wanko the Sane
Big Red Kool-aid Drinker @ Corn Nation
The Huskers don't have to play a 5 time Nat Champ every year like K-State does!!
The thing that’s missing from all this cheap scheduling talk that’s been going on since about 1998, when ABC and ESPN created this “K-State doesn’t play anybody” meme, in order to make sure we weren’t in the FIRST BCS championship game (granted we dropped the ball against A&M) is that Nebraska doesn’t play Nebraska (with, as their fans will constantly remind you, their 5 Nat. Chapionships) every year; K-State does. Right there, the Wildcats have a tougher schedule than the Huskers. The same can be said of all the “elite” programs. But do you ever hear the propaganda masters at ESPN ever make that point. I guarantee you, every year of Big 12 play, K- State has played teams with at least 5 more national championships in the last 30 years than Nebraska has (regular season). Case closed, Huskers – the fact of the matter is your fanbases’s stomachs can take losing to OU or Mich., or Ohio State, but you couldn’t stand it when you started losing (every now and then) to K-State and Missouri – and that is why you are hightailing it off to the big 10 (not some perceived slight from Texas and the South schools) and, as someone who started watching KSU – Nebraska games in 1963, I say good riddance! Your sense of “entitlement” to be considered an “elite” program (hence the annual cross over game with Penn State) is nauseating!
oh hail the Purple and White
Kansas State didn’t drop the ball (at least not entirely). A completely blown facemasking call and the fact the ball never crossed the goal line IN PLAY is what did it.
Of course, the entire argument became moot when the team got beat by friggin Purdue in the “Who Gives a Crap” Bowl.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
Who cares about the Nat. Championship?
You make some good points – but my overall point about the scheduling meme, for a school like K-State, is that we can’t win the propaganda wars; there is too much money at stake in keeping the perception of the system the way it is. Thus, as someone who loves K-State football, I care only about conference titles, because those are decided on the field, not by the propaganda masters. As a K-State fan who’s been around awhile, I just hope we can win a Big12-2 title, like once every 5 to seven years – and be in the top 4 of the conference on a very consistent basis. I just don’t have my heart set on winning a Nat Title in football, and no – I don’t want a playoff system.
Now basketball – yea – I want to win it all there, but that National title is legit, and a school like K-State has a fair shot there.
oh hail the Purple and White
Don't talk to an NU fan about blown face mask calls

You can't possibly be a scientist if you mind people thinking that you're a fool.
~Wanko the Sane
Big Red Kool-aid Drinker @ Corn Nation
by JLew on Sep 7, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I knew that was coming!
JLew – fair point! I sense you have a good sense of humor. I was at that came, and I think the official was literally scared out of his wits to throw that flag, because had K-State lost that game, who the heck knows who would have gotten out of town alive.
oh hail the Purple and White
We all know only K-State
has ever benefited from bad/wrong/questionable calls at the end of games, right?
Oh…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn7j-zJrbPk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFpTkYMLzdc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSIykYoM260
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuGlPG6Vie4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJpuj7RLK0U
To name/show a few… And just as it is with most blown calls or bad calls, reversing that non-facemask call does NOT guarantee anything about the possible outcome. A facemask penalty is not worth any points.
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
About that ONE SECOND!
Since I’m on my Husker rant, check out the following link from the official Orange Bowl History page: http://www.orangebowl.org/news/695726.aspx where it states:
"The game seemed to end after Husker quarterback Tommie Frazier hit tight end Trumane Bell with a 29-yard pass as time expired. But officials concurred that: 01 had to be placed back on the clock and the field was cleared for another finish. This time it was Nebraska’s 45-yard try that sailed wide left, giving FSU its ninth-straight bowl victory."
You’d think Husker fans, being so knowledgeable about the history of football and all, would have been a little more circumspect about their belly-aching about the 1 second put back on the clock in last year’s Big XII championship game against the Longhorns, but noooo – as John Belushi would say.
oh hail the Purple and White
Good work - Vegas Cat
oh hail the Purple and White
How do we know
he’s not an owl? Just sayin…
Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.
by mystman995 on Sep 7, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We would have played Oregon too...
But someone took their ball and went elsewhere and thus affecting our scheduling in the near future.
Touche', Zorro!
Yea, they took their ball so they could go play teams they had not whooped up on for 30 years in a row – before the days of the 25 scholarship limits – when the big boys could stock pile the talent, giving the K-States and KUs of the world no shot. Because they did’t beat, say, Wisconsin, 30 years in a row, it won’t be so dis-combobulating to their system to lose to a Wisconsin now and again.
oh hail the Purple and White
So "national conventional wisdom" is your best argument?
Point me to one other game that Snyder has “ducked.” You can’t. We did have a series with Oregon that was canceled, but that was a mutual decision by both schools to cancel the series without penalty. Also, never mind the obvious point that nobody thinks it’s a good idea to play two good BCS-AQ conference opponents in one season. Of course, that doesn’t fit conveniently in your narrative, so you ignore it. You conveniently forget that the Fresno State series was scheduled under Snyder’s watch and canceled under Prince’s. Snyder may not have been known for playing top-flight competition, but he was never known for ducking anyone who was scheduled. And in the later years, K-State became a team who consistently played one BCS-level opponent each non-conference season, unless you’ve forgotten the Iowa, Cal and USC (x2) games. Of course, that also doesn’t fit your narrative, so you ignore it or minimize it.
But back to national convention. It’s also “national convention” that Tebow is God, people somehow still care about Brett Favre, and a loss late in the season should somehow be more costly than a loss early in the season. Your statement that “everyone else says K-State schedules weak teams, so I will, too” is sort of like the five-year-old who, upon getting caught playing in the street, immediately exclaims “everyone else was doing it, too!” The obvious response is, so what? Just because every national pundit can’t help but to bring up the “weak schedule” meme when mentioning K-State doesn’t mean that label applies with any more force to K-State than it does anyone else.
Moreover, you completely missed the point of my original comment. I was directly responding to your baseless and ultimately wrong comment where you asked, and I quote, “And what will you say if KSU drops the Miami game as well? Which looks like it will happen.” The point I was trying to make was that you made that comment based on thinking that was no deeper than that of the national pundits when they say “K-State has a strong running game and did we mention they often play weak non-conference teams DURRRR.” So when you were wrong, and I called you on it, all you had in support of your position was “a lot of the national pundits say it, so I did too.”
By the way, I actually take a bit of pride in the fact that K-State is the school that gets mentioned everytime weak scheduling is discussed. If we hadn’t had the success we did, then I doubt we would be the exemplar so often used.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Sep 7, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea, and the Huskers are going to a conference that hasn't beaten USC since 1996!
Look it up! No team from the big 10 has beaten USC since 1996, yet K-State has beaten them (home and home) twice in that time frame. Do the ESPN propaganda meisters ever bring that up. NO, because they are too invested in freezing the “elite” programs in place, for revenue reasons.
What ticked me off about the Huskers constantly crying about “you took our Sooner rivalry game away” was, to have the 5-2-1 system they wanted, so they could keep their OU game annual, then other North teams would only get to play, say Texas or OU, 4 out of 10 years instead of 6 out of 12.
So they get their annual Penn State game, the meme continues that Nebraska is an “elite” program, and it freezes the status quo. — Good bye Huskers – if the Big Ten (the Michigan States, the Purdues and the mid-tier programs trying to come up in the world) are stupid enough to put up with that – they can have you.
oh hail the Purple and White
Wow TB you mad?
What argument? It was a throw away line in a links post. I really did think K-State would try and get out of that game, based on people I talked to around campus, and other articles I read. I didn’t and don’t have “sources” but I did hear things around campus when I was there.
Again I was wrong, but it’s not like I really went out on a limb here.I think you are taking it and me way to seriously. I think you need to lighten up a bit.
I came here and said I was wrong. Not sure what else you want.
You can't possibly be a scientist if you mind people thinking that you're a fool.
~Wanko the Sane
Big Red Kool-aid Drinker @ Corn Nation
We're still a little miffed at the Big Red Invasion of 2010...
So, just a warning…our tendency to pounce on anyone associated with Nebraska is probably higher at this point.
We just need to get through this year and go our separate ways. It will be better for everyone involved.
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
Except that we'll still be two hours apart and we'll still give each other shit.
It’s ingrained. It just won’t be about games against each other.
I'm hoping geography works to keep CU fans away at all costs
NU fans I like. I find they tend to have a sense of humor and are good to joke with. CU fans? No. I was so sad they beat CSU.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
I wouldn't go as far to say that I like NU fans, but
they sure as hell treat people better than CU fans. They I won’t miss one bit.
Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.
Horrible on the Wyoming death...
I had just joined Cowboy Altitude and was actually in the process of learning about Wyoming sports(considering going grad school there) and that happens.
"I refuse to write on the chalkboard because I refuse to rock chalk, at all times." -The Forum
The user formerly known as EMAWrising
Here's a link to Cowboy Altitude
2nd try
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3rd try?
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