Bryce Brown may not deserve sympathy, but he doesn't deserve this, either
Ever since Lane Kiffin left Tennessee for scandal-ridden Southern California, speculation has been rampant among K-State fans that prized Wichita running back Bryce Brown would transfer to K-State. Brown's brother, Arthur's, transfer from Miami to The Little Apple did nothing to quell that speculation. And yet, despite all the speculation, days turned into weeks and months and nothing was announced.
But last week, it was finally reported that Brown was leaving Knoxville, although not in the way you'd prefer to hear if you're the school looking for him to transfer in. According to reports, he merely texted new head coach Derek Dooley to inform him of his decision and ask for a release from his scholarship. It sounded a little like the way Josh Freeman apparently let Bill Callahan and Nebraska know that he wasn't interested in going to Lincoln a few years ago.
However, over the weekend, the Brown family claimed that Brown actually had met with Dooley, and that Dooley had told him to keep that meeting quiet while simultaneously asking for another meeting. As Joel at Rocky Top Talk astutely notes, it doesn't appear that Brown asked Dooley for a release at that meeting. While Brown's father has apparently been asking Dooley for a release since April, there's no evidence that Brown himself has ever asked for a release.
Brown won't get much sympathy in this, or any, situation because of the way he -- or more accurately, Brian Butler -- handled his recruitment. He waited until well past signing day and became the poster child for recruiting narcissism that would engender Seantrel Henderson and then, of course, be topped by WWLLebronapalooza2010WOOHOO!!!
Further, among the many things you should learn at college is the ability to make your own decisions and take responsibility for your own actions. Granted, he's only a freshman, but Brown shouldn't need his dad to ask Dooley for a release. He should ask for it himself.
However, it strikes me as more than a little hypocritical for Dooley to claim that he's the white hat because he's "protecting the program." I fail to see how refusing to release Brown from his scholarship is protecting Tennessee's program in any way. His actions are not going to force Brown to return to Knoxville. Brown doesn't want to transfer to a school within the Southeastern Conference, and he doesn't want to transfer to a school that is on Tennessee's schedule in the next four years.
Make no mistake, Dooley is not protecting Tennessee's program. He is punishing Bryce Brown. I won't pretend to know why. My guess is that it's because he's upset about how Brown has handled this situation, and drawn it out through the entire spring and summer, ending about a month before the first game. Cynically, I wonder if Dooley, formerly the coach of Louisiana Tech, is in over his head at a major program. We saw at K-State what happens when a head coach is in over his head during the Ron Prince years.
We've also seen the other side of this in basketball. When Florida International hired Isiah Thomas as its new head coach, star big man Freddy Asprilla asked for a release so he could transfer. Thomas, new to the college coaching ranks, refused to grant it, forcing Colombia-native Asprilla to either pay his way for a year at K-State or go to a junior college for a year. He chose junior college.
Situations like this raise the touchy issue of whether NCAA transfer rules are too harsh on student athletes or whether student athletes need to have more loyalty to the institution they chose. Those holding to the latter viewpoint cling to an outdated perception that blue-chip high school recruits want to go play for good ol' State U, get an education, and if they're gosh-darn lucky enough, have a chance to play pro football someday. The elite recruits now choose their schools based on coaches and systems they believe will get them ready to play in the NFL. If you're cynical, you might throw in that they choose based on which school will pay them the best.
While I'm not comfortable with eliminating all transfer restrictions such that college athletes become similar to professional free agents, some situations justify a little leniency. Dooley is within his rights to handle the situation the way he has. It looks like he's trying to be old school and teach Brown a lesson about maturity. Of course, we're also well within our rights to consider him petty for doing so, or harsher language if you so prefer.
Either way, whenever he becomes eligible to play, I welcome Bryce Brown back to Manhattan. All criticisms of his outward personality aside, he's a tremendous talent at running back. My hope is that Snyder and his staff will be the positive influence for him that Butler clearly has not been. If not, well, we always have DeMarcus Robinson.
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I still think that Brown is accountable for being a putz with this whole thing, but I think I hold too much against him that would be more accurately held against that Brian Butler. I do hope that Bryce learns his lesson and I would be delighted if he can come to KSU in time for the 2011 season.
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well said
I’m never a big fan of K-State getting a guy like this, but he doesn’t deserve the raw deal he’s gotten. While I understand why the NCAA restricts transfers when coaches change schools — to prevent a coach from taking a core of “followers” with him — it seems as though there could be some exemption for students going to a third school, not affiliated with the coach who’s leaving.
bullshit
If Bryce Brown isn’t man enough to look at a man who has the strings to his scholarship and ask him to release the scholarship, he doesn’t deserve to have it released. Bottom line – if he isn’t grown up enough to do that, he’s probably not going to do as well in your program either (unless being closer to home helps him get his head screwed on straight).
This stuff happens all the time in non-revenue sports such as baseball. Coaches can release scholarships with stipulations, and nobody gives a shit.
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Well...
That was a nice big leap in logic…“If he’s not grown up enough to do that, he’s probably not going to do well.” You are aware that most 18-19 year old teenagers aren’t exactly “grown up” right? Hell, I’m only 5 years removed from that age and I know that. Teenagers make stupid decisions all the time, but to associate one poorly formed decision into a pronouncement that he’ll be a bust is fairly ludicrous.
Also, I’d almost guarantee that if he had transferred to Nebraska, you would not be making this argument.
No
I would not be making that argument. That’s an even bigger leap in logic than I made.
I’m well aware that most 18-19 year olds are not grown up, however, I’m also aware that the bright ones recognize when they’re being required to do something and then do it, and the not-so-bright ones act like if they ignore something it’ll just go away.
Bryce Brown doesn’t affect us anymore since he won’t be playing against Nebraska anyway, but it’d be a shame if he wasted his opportunities.
I don’t think people make the step to maturity without sometimes being acted upon by something externally, and that may be what’s happening here. Bottom line – did you ever consider the idea that the coach was trying to help him, rather than hinder his progress, or are you making the argument you’re making because he’ll go to KSU?
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It seems more like Dooley is trying to make an example out of Brown....
and less like he is interested in his well being or personal welfare. With all the ‘he said/she said’ blah blah blah, I’m sure the truth is probably somewhere in the middle of the story.
by williewildcrack on Aug 4, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I have considered that the coach
is trying to help him. And if that be the case, there are WAY better ways of doing it without being a jerk (appear to be, actually be, or try to be – doesn’t matter to me in this case). However, it seems – and well within his rights, as the article mentions – that Dooley just doesn’t care how he has to act, he is going to do whatever it takes to make a point.
In today’s sport atmosphere, Dooley will not be forever able to treat players this way – teach them lessons the hard way. I wish that was the way things were, but they’re not. Best of luck to him with that strategy (it seems doomed to fail).
Worst case scenario seems to be that KSU gets Brown a year later anyways…
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There is no worst case scenario for KSU
just Brown. I could be wrong, but he can still enroll at K-State – he just can’t receive any financial aid in the form of a scholarship right?
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Yeah, that's how i understand it.
Only really hurting Bryce, and UT possibly.
by WillieWannabe on Aug 4, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I fail to see
how hindering an 18-19 year old teenager from pursuing other athletic and academic options under scholarship is “helping him.”
I think it’s fairly easy to see that Bryce has a lot of outside influences all working to make choices for him, which I imagine could be pretty damn confusing for an 18-19 year old. Should he be forced into a year of football purgatory for something that was minor at most?
And even if Bryce were going to (God forbid) KU, I’d still say that Dooley is limiting a player’s options because he didn’t do things the way Dooley wanted, and I’d be against it. And I would certainly be willing to express that opinion on their site…but I wouldn’t state that “if he isn’t grown up enough to do that, he’s probably not going to do as well in your program.” Because, you know…there just isn’t any factual basis to make that statement…
Is Dooley really an authority figure in Brown's life?
He’s only the man who controls Brown’s scholarship by a matter of happenstance. Brown committed to Lane Kiffin’s Tennessee Volunteers, not Derek Dooley’s. After Kiffin unexpectedly left one year into the job, the Volunteers hired Dooley. Brown didn’t choose to play for Dooley. It really shouldn’t surprise Dooley that players recruited under a previous coach would not want to play for him. I can understand being stung by the way Brown drug the whole thing out, but Dooley is still being petty.
Further, you’re making a completely different argument. I conceded that Brown doesn’t really deserve any sympathy in this situation and that he should have asked for the release. If he were my (hypothetical) kid, I would have told him he wasn’t going anywhere if he didn’t ask for the release himself. But that’s neither here nor there. Dooley still ought to be the bigger man and just release him here. He’s trying to pretend he’s an authority figure in Brown’s life, and he isn’t.
And to respond to your non-revenue sports argument, I’ve seen that side of it. I have a friend who is a diver at a large state university (non-BCS), and had a second cousin who played baseball at a small state college. They both have dealt with coaching changes, and it was a miserable experience for both. Maybe nobody gives a shit because the media doesn’t report it, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s shitty behavior by the coaches involved.
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by TB on Aug 4, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 on Dooley's role in Brown's life
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That's all well and good, but all Dooley asked was for Brown to ask for his release the right way
That wasn’t really too much to ask. All Brown had to do was comply, and he was free to go. Dooley wasn’t holding Brown hostage or anything. I think Dooley’s doing the right thing.
And I’ll say it, by the way: I was one guy who was really pulling for the Browns to end up at KSU or KU in the first place.
So, what do you guys think about DeMarcus Robinson? Think it’s more likely he or Brown ends up the starting back in 2011?
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by burntorangehorn on Aug 7, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
A pissing contest between an 18-19 year old and a middle aged coach??
I think it’s obvious who should be the mature one in this situation. This will not help Tennessee, so what other motivation other than revenge is there?
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This comment here brought to mind immediately
Mike Gundy yelling about being a man etc…
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2 things I wonder about this
First, part of me wonders if Brown’s dad is forcing his hand here and making him transfer ‘back home’. I say this because it was mentioned somewhere that the dad had requested his release several times to Dooley, but Bryce hadn’t until the infamous text message.
Second, is Dooley intimidating Brown when they meet in person? It’s not too hard for a middle aged guy to intimidate the shit out of an 18 yr old, especially when the elder guy is in a position of authority over the kid. That could easily be the case, and I could see it happening especially when it has been reported that Dooley told Brown not to speak about their meeting last Saturday.
Also,
does anybody know how much eligibility he’ll have left and when he’ll be eligible in each scenario? Just wondering.
He still has 3 years + a red shirt year
if he transfers to K-State then he’ll red shirt this year, but in the event that he has to go to a JUCO for a year that would burn a year of eligibility…I think.
by williewildcrack on Aug 4, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Brown leaving Tennessee really isn't a surprise for anyone is it?
I’m still trying to figure out why he waited until the very end of July to finally meet with Dooley and ask for the release?
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He could simply attend a JUCO for a year without participating and still have his full eligibility.
Very good point
I don’t know what a year of no football would do to his ability, but that would also put him eligible for the NFL after a single season at KSU. If he comes here and runs for 2,000 yards, I think I could live with that.
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