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Is Bill Snyder a coward? Or does he just know more about running a college football program than you?

It was inevitable that in the aftermath of last week's announcement that K-State and Oregon had mutually agreed to cancel their two-game series in 2011-12 that Bill Snyder's critics would crawl out from under their rocks about his scheduling practices.  Never mind the fact that K-State paid nothing to get out of the games because the feeling was mutual between the two schools that cancellation was their preferred course of action, nor that very few -- if any -- BCS-AQ conference schools ever play two non-conference games against other BCS-AQ conference schools.

No, clearly this was just Snyder being Snyder.  No way he wants to face top competition.  We've heard it before from those outside the program.  His three Big 12 North titles -- back when that was a serious accomplishment -- were somewhat of a chimera because of who he had played in the non-conference season.  We were already hearing it this summer, when 12th Man's Beergut -- he of the famously wrong opinions regarding K-State coaches -- called Snyder a coward for his stance on keeping divisions in the new Big 12 and continuing the championship game.  Now, a digression from the topic of this post: saying you have less respect for Bill Snyder as a man "because of his unwillingness to embrace challenges and competition" could be one of the most hilariously ridiculous statements I've ever read on SB Nation.  The coach who took on the challenge of turning "the worst football program in America" into a consistent winner in the Big 8/Big 12 conference is unwilling to embrace challenges and competition.  Riiiiiight.

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Anyway, back to the post.  Since Nebraska's and Colorado's defections, I've believed the Big 12's best new name should be the "Self-Interest Conference," rather than the Big 12-2 or the Texas 10 or whatever you want to call it.  It's pretty clear that every team in the league is looking after itself and nobody else.  So if that's the case, why wouldn't Snyder lobby for a system that he believes would benefit his program?  If Texas A&M wants to be greedy in a way that makes Texas and Oklahoma step back and say "whoa, now that's pretty greedy," then Snyder is perfectly well entitled to look out for his own.

But either way, back to the non-conference scheduling issue.  In 2011 and 2012, K-State had non-conference home-and-homes scheduled with Oregon and Miami.  Given the new format of the Self Interest Conference, K-State will only have three non-conference games those years, and will play each team from the Big 12 South those years.  Under that schedule, then, K-State would play 11 games against BCS-AQ competition.  I defy you to show me another team that will face a similar gauntlet.  It won't be KU or Nebraska, who have had the most vocal critics on this issue in our corner of the blogosphere.

One question that remains open is whether we will keep the series with Miami.  There's no evidence right now that K-State is considering dropping that series, but anything is possible.  If they have to pay money to buy it out, then they should just go ahead and play it.  We're doing better, but we're still not exactly flush with cash, and I'd rather spend the money on something like facilities or salaries than buying out a non-conference game, even if it is one Ron Prince scheduled.

In the end, there's really nothing new under the sun here.  Despite the fact that our non-conference schedule this year -- UCLA, Missouri State, Central Florida and North Texas -- is comparable to just about any among our peers in the country, Snyder will always be seen as the coach who ducks tough competition.  This also despite the fact that he consistently scheduled one game per season against BCS-AQ competition in the early 2000s.  But don't let the facts get in the way or anything.  For those who are fans of other teams who say this is just vintage Snyder, I have one thing to say:

I sure hope so.

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What did their schedule look like again?

by The Gentleman Masher on Aug 10, 2010 8:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Something Bill Snyder would have been pleased with in the mid-90s.

I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton

by Sean T on Aug 10, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, Snyder has played big-boy schools and he has done well against them

The baggage Snyder accumulated from so many years of scheduling speed bumps back in the 90s is still around. That has become the impression of him, even for me. Yes, KSU did play Iowa and Cal and USC, but (aside from USC’s turnaround in the second year) all three of them were weak programs compared to a KSU team that lived in the top 25 for virtually a decade.

Yes, I understand this may be clearing room for a conference game but my key is that it MAY be clearing room. Miami and Oregon in the same season would have done well to improve Snyder’s reputation for scheduling. Unless of course KSU lost by 20 to each team.

TB, what would you think if Miami and KSU do “mutually agree to cancel the series”?

I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton

by Sean T on Aug 10, 2010 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't think Bill Snyder

gives a flying male cheerleader about his reputation for scheduling. His formula works, he’s proven that. So much so that it’s getting harder to do because all the cool kids are doing it. We aren’t Notre Dame we can’t pop back into the top 25 after a non-con ugly loss on name alone. And we aren’t Fresno State, we have a premium conference slate already. We don’t have to play “anyone, anywhere”. I just think this formula works for us right now as it has in the past. Perhaps that won’t always be the case. There are always different and new circumstances everywhere.
Also, LHCBS has a strong affinity for his community. The more home games the better.

by rydonmf on Aug 10, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a fan, I hope...

…they keep the Miami series. One big non-conference game per year is good for the program, because it gets the fans excited, gives the players something extra to prepare for, and gives us a chance to get our program on national TV. And if we lose, it’s just one loss, which shouldn’t be the difference between your major goal and where you end up anyway. As an illustration, where we are right now is a team that wants to go bowling. If one loss is the difference between us and 6-6, then we probably dont deserve it anyway. If one loss is the difference between us and a national championship game appearance, then we should feel confident in our ability to beat just about anyone anyway.

Also, I’ve run the numbers, and I’m less sure than I was that it’s a financially sound decision to schedule two home games in place of a marquee home-and-home. While we don’t get any TV revenue from road non-con games, higher ticket prices and more people attending the home game, plus the possibility of a $520,000 payout from ESPN/ABC for a big non-con game could offset the revenue of two home games with lower attendance, lower ticket prices and, at best, a televised game on Versus or FSN.

One other thing to keep in mind. K-State currently has 10 players from the State of Florida on its roster. It has zero from Oregon. If I had to choose one of the two, Miami is clearly a place where we have a much larger recruiting presence.

We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats

by TB on Aug 10, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kirby

Also Kirby Hocutt is the AD …Snyder may want to not put him in a tough position

by ATL Jim on Aug 10, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about the recruiting myself

We’ve had some gems from Florida. Let’s keep it that way.

I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton

by Sean T on Aug 11, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

there seems to be a lot of ill will

coming from A&M and NU fans. I’m not sure why. If they want to take shots at our coach and a percieved weak schedule they can. But I just don’t get it.

I do like the title “self-interest” conference. It’s definitely an accurate name.

by ElephantHouse on Aug 10, 2010 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

They're both jealous KSU has a Big XII title more recently than they do

A&M has a huge inferiority complex to UT and are still cranky they couldn’t bolt for the SEC (where they would continue to be barely bowl eligible! whoopee).

I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton

by Sean T on Aug 10, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with Sean T

When other fans look at Kstate and what Snyder did they have to admit that their coaches have never come close. So they look for a fault with him, this is what they have found. I don’t really care what they think bc with the exception of Oklahoma, I think our nc schedule closely resemebles the other big 12 schools.

Get ready to roll...Go Cats!

by mjk7166 on Aug 10, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm happy to see Jarell Childs is excelling at LB

Looks like he, Hrebec and Butler will start. I’m starting to think our D could be ok again this year.

Get ready to roll...Go Cats!

by mjk7166 on Aug 10, 2010 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Not without the D-line

Davis going down really hurts.

I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton

by Sean T on Aug 10, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on Brandon Harold a lot I think

We need pass rush this year and he needs to lead the way. Sounds like Prizell Brown and Ray Kibble could be good tackles too. I thought last year after the injuries our d would suck but they were pretty good and I’m hoping for the same.

Get ready to roll...Go Cats!

by mjk7166 on Aug 10, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

KU just released their 2012 non-con schedule and it's far from difficult

but one thing I hate seeing any D1 team do is play a D1AA team. A whole lot of teams do it, I just hate it.

I’ve always believed that non-con schedules are way overrated for every team in the Big 12. A team that wins out in the Big 12 will be in the BCS discussion and likely in the title game, why risk anything outside of conference play? Play anyone as long as they’re also hoping for BOWL games.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Aug 10, 2010 6:18 PM CDT reply actions  

That's a point I've often made...

…in the current setup, what incentive does a team have to schedule difficult non-conference games? If you win your games in the Big 12, you’ll almost certainly play for a national title, which Mizzou and, to a lesser extent KU, almost proved in 2007.

As far as playing FCS teams, I’m not a fan of it, and it was sickening that we missed out on a bowl game last year because we played two of them. But it’s always been part of Bill Snyder’s philosophy to play one of them each year, and I’m not about to argue with his results. In a system like Snyder’s, it takes a while to get everything figured out and get things rolling. If a tuneup game is necessary, I can live with it.

We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats

by TB on Aug 10, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just think, it is also a way of sharing revenue!

Speed-bump U comes to D1A school (FBS and FCS designations can kiss my butt) and gets paid a few hundred grand which can then help to pay for their athletic department for the year. Sounds good to me.

I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton

by Sean T on Aug 11, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Miami

For selfish reasons I really hop Miami stays on the schedule. It is a good idea to keep some footprint in that area (just ask Frank). There is not the same advantage for playing in the pacific North West. Also the Fact that Kirby is the athletic director at UM is a possible reason why this game may stay!!! I wanna Go man!

by ATL Jim on Aug 10, 2010 7:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't know who Kirby is

Is he a friend of Snyder’s?

I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton

by Sean T on Aug 11, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Watching the CATS

play at the U would be pretty cool. Might have to wear a bullet proof vest though.

by GCat on Aug 11, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kirby Hocutt

was a linebacker in the 90’s for the Cats

by ATL Jim on Aug 11, 2010 11:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Don’t most of the Pac-10 schools play at least 2 BCS-AQs? I’m thinking specifically of UCLA and USC this year as an example.

Bleeding powderkeg blue and gold for 55 years. Go Bruins!

by Digdog on Aug 29, 2010 8:01 PM CDT reply actions  

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