Why not rebuild the Big 12?
by fanoverboard on Jun 11, 2010 12:02 AM CDT
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PrintThe Big 12 doesn't have to end with the departure of 6 or even 7 teams. Rather than the 5 remaining teams being absorbed into other conferences, why not keep them together and rebuild the Big 12 by poaching teams from other conferences or even dismembering another conference? For example, Colorado State, Wyoming, New Mexico, Air Force, TCU, Utah, and BYU, might prefer to be in the Big 12 rather than having a few teams from a defunct Big 12 join them in the MWC.
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Not to be rude here, but...
No shit?
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No offense taken, but
my point is that the cachet of the Big 12 is worth big bucks, and the rebuilding of the conference should be job #1 for the remaining teams. Yet I read comment after comment on Big 12 forums about this or that team striving to find a new home. The Jayhawks, in particular, are whining about being stuck with the Wildcats, which apparently limits their yearning for self-actualization footballwise.
by fanoverboard on Jun 11, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh, do you think two teams from Kansas are going to make a strong football conference?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
I have been saying this for quite some time.
Watch out MWC and WAC or even Conf USA maybe even the Big East. I would say all options are on the table if the south goes west.
Except if you lose more than 6 schools
you have to start from scratch as far as BCS qualification goes; BCS conferences must consist of at least six schools who have competed against one another for 5 years or more. If it’s just KU, K-State, ISU, Baylor and Mizzou left, the Big XII, even if they immediately add 1, 4, 10 members, would be stripped of their BCS status and have to go through the arduous process the Mountain West is currently going through i.e. at least 4 years of proving and praying.
The wiser/more-expedient path may be to accept the MWC’s attendance and hitch a ride. It’s for that same reason that talk of KU & KSU to the Big East has come about; despite the logistical headaches, it could keep those two schools relevant in football.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
Has someone looked up and read the actual rule(s)...?
Do the 6 or more schools competing together have to be from the conference with the ‘name that has BCS AQ attached’? This is something I have been wondering but as it isn’t really even close to happening/being possible I lack the energy to look more into it….
--VegasCat07
It only matters
if the Big XII still has six teams, which it won’t if the South-minus-Baylor defects and Missouri leaves. If we still have six teams, then we’re still viable. Otherwise, we may as well head west (or east).
I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.
First off
I meant to type “ascendancy” instead of “attendance” (although I’m sure everyone is really impressed with the way UNLV packs ’em in…).
2nd, if Hawkeye State has done his homework (and as a manager for BHGP I sure hope he has) then it is as stated above:
6 schools, having played together for 5 years.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 11, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
But the question is whether those teams have to be from the founding conference.
If the 4 or 5 team Big 12 snatches 6 teams from the MWC – would that count?
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No
because they a)are coming from a conference that still doesn’t have BCS status b)into a new conference for them.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 11, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Now if the MWC were to be awarded BCS status this year or next
and the Big XII remnants were to join up, then all would be well for K-State, KU, ISU and Missouri. If I’m one of those 4, that idea sounds much better than the Big East.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 11, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
You're assuming the BCS will still be around :)
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Thank you for the clarification (at least in a sense where you are implying that someone did homework on it)
Now if only the MWC could get over the BCS AQ snag. So will the Big 12 ‘ceasing to exist’ mean that an extra AQ spot is available? I must admit I know very little about how becoming AQ works…
--VegasCat07
From my understanding
(which is not encyclopedic), there’s no mechanism for replacing a conference which has vanished. There’s only a mechanism for deciding, and I say this with great specificity, that a conference deserves to claim the seventh automatic qualifying spot.
The six conferences which already have AQs are contractually bound through the 2013 season. I do not know whether the contract in question contains an out clause in the event of a conference being gutted. If not… the Big 12 would still get an automatic invite through 2013 so long as it continues to exist, but would have to get its act together real quicklike to be part of the 2014-2017 cycle (assuming the BCS isn’t replaced by a playoff after all the reshuffling).
I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.
Hey if the Big East has kept their auto-bid for this long
why wouldn’t we?
\given the fact that the big 12 remains….
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